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    Star Wars Nerdmas Plots: Alliance Senate & Government

    We came up with ideas/etc for an Alliance Parliament/Senate a while ago, but since then we have transformed from a Rebel Alliance to an Alliance of Free Planets, and that requires a slightly different approach. We talked about all sorts of little tweaks and tidbits in Alabama, Nevada, and beyond, including -

    • To appease those from Alderaan, Corellia, Chandrila, Duros, Ithor, etc who feel like the Alliance has "abandoned" the fight against the Empire, we would like to make Celeste Starborn (previously Alderaan's representative on the Advisory Council) the Speaker / Chairperson of the Senate. The idea is that despite hostilities having ceased, remembering Alderaan is still front and centre in the Alliance's mind.

    • Senators should mostly be for specific planets (as in the EU books), not for entire sectors: this allows sectors inside Alliance space to have independent worlds if they want to be. However, where an entire sector/region is controlled by a centralised government (Hapes Cluster, Carshoulis Cluster, Bothan Space, Mon Calamari Space), there should be a MAXIMUM of two Senators: otherwise, the 150 inhabited worlds of Bothan Space would translate to 150 Bothan Senators, and the Senate would be unfairly biased. If there are other species in a Sector/region, they would have Representatives as part of the Senatorial entourage (a la Jar Jar Binks).

    • Some Senators are also Ministers. It would be useful to make sure we have relatively active people filling roles like Minister of State, Defense, Security, Supply, Trade/Commerce, Justice, etc so there are people for other Senators to interact with. Some of these roles may be filled already; others may be subject to tweaking.

    • Ministers don't have to do everything on their own, and there should be plenty of committees and sub-committees. Salem Ave (Onderon) is the Minister of State, but might have a committee including representatives from the four big regions (Hapes, Carshoulis, Bothan, Mon Cal) to help determine foreign policy. The Minister of Supply might have committees for agriculture/food, industry, shipbuilding, etc. There might be committees for education, art and culture, or tourism. There might be a special committee with representatives from refugee groups, or with Representatives of races who don't have a specific Senator (Gungans, Veknoids, Krantians, etc), to make sure their concerns/etc are being addressed.

    • Representatives don't have to be for races or planets. The Republic had a Senator for the Trade Federation, a pseudo-corporate entity: the Alliance might have Representatives for major manufacturers, corporations, banks, etc, to sit on relevant sub-committees.

    • There are numerous planets within Alliance territory that are not necessarily aligned / loyal to us. Senators may want to broker trade deals, negotiate defensive pacts, and ultimately try and convince them to join. Good examples include Ando, Geonosis, Lannik, Junction, and Zeltros. The Trandoshans, native to the Kashyyyk system, also present an interesting conundrum: they are slavers, and bitter enemies of the Wookiees, and might not be a culture that the Alliance finds "tolerable". There may also be Imperial citizens who want to leave... or who want to remain in their homes but not be subject to the Alliance. The Imperial and Trandoshan issue might make for an interesting Senate debate thread.

    • Historically, the Alliance has made extensive use of smuggling as a way to get supplies. Now they are a legitimate government, and smuggling eats into their customs and tax revenue. How to deal with legal and illegal trade across the borders, and how to screen and tax that trade is another big and contentious issue that might be fun to debate.

    • The Alliance does not have an extensive military, and we only have a Treaty with the Empire. The Hutts in particular are a significant threat on our borders, and there are other potential independent powers like the Centrality and the Tion Cluster with whom we will need to negotiate separate treaties and alliances.


    We also discussed the idea of establishing Alliance Security in the wake of the Dan/s'Il crisis. Similar to the EU, this would be an Alliance version of the Imperial Security Bureau, and would guard against internal threats like Imperial sympathisers, terrorists, criminals wanted on multiple worlds, and also against more Dan/s'Ilancy style threats from evil Jedi. Our idea is that Dasquian Belargic, who was prisoner-exchanged when the Treaty was signed, would be the inaugural Director.
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    Alliance Senate

    • Celeste Starborn - Senator for New Alderaan; Speaker of the House (Human)
    • Senator for Abyss (Byss)
    • Senator for Arbra (Hoojib)
    • Senator for Bortras (Human)
    • Torrsk Oruo'rel - Senator for Bothuwai (Bothan)
      • Sorn Vre'lya - Senator for Kothlis (Bothan)
      • Representative for Moonus Mandel (Veknoid)
      • Alli Tiawarrh - Representative for Krant and Hanoon (Krantian)
      • Representative for Di'tai'ni (Tai'ni)
    • Jaanseerra Arretaura - Senator for Carshoulis Prime (Cizerack)
      • Taataani Meorrrei - Senator for Keppaa Brens (Cizerack)
    • Senator for Chad (Chadra-Fan)
    • Senator for Chelloa (Bith, Duros, Gran, Human, Ithorian, or Rodian)
    • Senator for Clak'dor (Bith)
    • Senator for Contruum (Human)
    • Tukphen - Senator for Dac (Mon Calamari)
      • Thada Adel - Senator for Dac (Quarren)
      • Maleen Tel'Var - Representative for Sanctuary (Caamasi)
      • Representative for Slayn and Korpil (Verpine)
    • Senator for Darkknell (Human)
    • Senator for Dornea (Dornean)
    • Senator for Dressel (Dresselian)
    • Senator for Elom (Elomin)
    • Senator for Elrood (Human)
      • Representative for Coyn (Coynite)
      • Representative for Kidron (Orfite)
      • Representative for Merisee (Meri, or Teltior)
    • Senator for Gand (Gand)
    • Kelvin Stark - Senator for the Gordian Reach (Human)
      • Leeadra Longstar - Senator for Presbalin (Human)
      • Representative for Arda (Human)
      • Representative for B'Trilla (B'Trillan)
      • Representative for Feldwes (B'Trillan, Human, or T'Sarki)
      • Representative for Kalishik (T'Sarki)
      • Representative for Krylon (Human)
      • Representative for Torque (Human)
    • Senator for H'Nemthe (H'Nemthe)
    • Elaine Alastor - Senator for Hapes (Human)
      • Delphnye Sarpin - Senator for Vergill (Human)
    • Kallachiturra - Senator for Kashyyyk (Wookiee)
    • Alexi Hesith - Senator for Lantillies (Human)
    • Senator for Malastare (Gran, or Dug)
    • Senator for Mirial (Mirialan)
    • Numax Meltstrong - Senator for Mustafar (Mustafarian)
    • Ulys Caed - Senator for Naboo (Human)
      • Representative for Oota Gunga (Gungan)
    • Eusphyra Blochii - Senator for Öetrago (Ithorian)
    • Senator for Omwat (Omwati)
    • Salem Ave - Senator for Onderon (Human)
    • Senator for Ord Radama (Human)
    • Senator for Orto (Ortolan)
    • Senator for Ossus (Gossam)
    • Senator for Quermia (Quermian)
    • Senator for Roche (Verpine)
    • Sekaj L'vehl - Senator for Sluis Van (Sluissi)
      • Representative for Praesitlyn (Sluissi)
    • Niev Minetii - Senator for Sullust (Sullustan)
      • Representative for Tuerto (Sullustan)
      • Representative for Bortras (Human)
    • Senator for Syned (Duros, Gotal, Human, Sluissi, or Sullustan)
    • Senator for Telos (Aqualish, Duros, Human, Ithorian, Rodian, Sullustan, Twi'lek, Quarren, or Zeltron)
    • Arkanon Astore - Senator for Thule (Arkanian)
      • Representative for Arda (Human)
      • Representative for Krylon (Human)
    • Rondoo - Senator for Tramanos (Celgian)
    • Senator for Troiken (Xexto)
    • Abre Vorasq - Senator for Umbara (Umbaran)
    • Senator for Utapau (Pau'an)
    • Senator for Vandelheim (Human, or Sullustan)
    • Senator for Vorzyd (Vorzydiak)
    • Senator for Woostri (Woostoid)

    Senators:
    (2) Arkanian, (2) Bothan, (1) Celagin, (2) Cizerack, (7) Human, (1) Gossam, (1) Ithorian, (1) Mon Calamari, (1) Mustafarian, (1) Quarren, (1) Sluissi, (1) Sullustan, (1) Umbaran, (1) Wookiee


    Representatives:
    (1) Caamasi, (1) Krantian



    Alliance Ministers

    • Salem Ave - Minister of State
    • Torrsk Oruo'rel - Minister of Defense
    • Leeadra Longstar - Minister of Security
    • Ulys Caed - Minister of Justice
    • Niev Minetii - Minister of Industry
    • Jaanseerra Arretaura - Minister of Trade & Commerce
    • Tukphen - Minister of Supply
    • Bils Kir'nir - Minister of Science
    • Celeste Starborn - Speaker of the House

    Members:
    (1) Bith, (1) Bothan, (1) Cizerack, (4) Human, (1) Mon Calamari, (1) Sullustan



    Alliance High Command

    • Admiral Tial Reshmar - First Fleet; Commander-in-Chief
      • Admiral Vernin Holt - First Fleet (Mobile)
        • Commodore Dorna Forlon - 113th Interdiction Group
        • Rear Admiral Anne Phoenix - 140th Rapid Response Group
      • Second Fleet (Mon Calamari)
        • Commander Kes Akienda - Jovan Station
          • Captain T'yeellaa Meorrrei - Cizerack Trade Fleet
          • Captain Cirrsseeto Quez - Novgorod
          • Captain Soto Terius - Destiny
        • Cizerack Trade Fleet (Carshoulis Prime)
      • Third Fleet (Onderon)
        • High Admiral Trance Farani - Hapan Royal Navy (Hapes)
      • Admiral Vansen Tyree - Fourth Fleet (Bothawui)
        • Rear Admiral Castus Annen - Task Force 42
          • Commodore Varon Farani - Hapan Commander; Arbitrator
          • Captain Dou'lesa Grov - Nemesis
      • Admiral Crotalus Viridis - Fifth Fleet (Sluis Van)
      • General William Forlon - Alliance Marine Corps
      • General Meiers Brecklin - Alliance Starfighter Corps
      • General Regulus Starborn - Alliance SpecForce
    • Director Grace Van-Derveld - Alliance Intelligence
    • Director Dasquian Belargic - Alliance Security

    Members:
    (2) Cizerack, (1) Falleen, (13) Human, (1) Mon Calamari, (1) Selonian, (1) Sluissi



    Ambassadors & Envoys
    • Ambassador for Ando (Aqualish)
    • Alec Tallen - Ambassador for Mandalore (Human)
    • Ambassador for Triton (Tritonite)
    • Silas Faei - Ambassador for Zeltros (Zeltron)
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    Salem Ave (Onderon) is the Minister of State, but might have a committee including representatives from the four big regions (Hapes, Carshoulis, Bothan, Mon Cal) to help determine foreign policy.
    Volunteers are welcome!

    Our idea is that Dasquian Belargic, who was prisoner-exchanged when the Treaty was signed, would be the inaugural Director.
    Want to get this thread going?

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    Taataani could certainly serve on Salem's ministry committee if you'd like.

    Also if someone wants to create an account for the senior Cizerack senator, please do. I think they might be well served to serve as minister of commerce if there's no other ideas on that.

    I have an idea regarding Ando, if it's okay with folks. Want to have a thread where Taataani & Loki travel there in secret to broker friendly ties to the Alliance.

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    That would make sense, since they're becoming such good chums and all

    Btw if anyone wants to play either of the two Hapan senators let me know. I have no idea which planets they are from but I would rather not write them myself (..though I am happy to write an aide for one of them!)

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    Small group of Senators making a state visit to the Pride ITT - http://www.sw-fans.net/forum/showthr...l&goto=newpost

    Since we have ships and stuff and are making more for you guys or something, I'm not exactly sure on the details.

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    That's as good a reason as any. Keppaa Brens houses Royal Cana'darri Shipwrights, which are nationalized under the Pride Mother's control. It's a large shipyard and effectively the only one that is a public entity rather than a private one. They build the ships of the line of the trade navy, so production there is more or less an extension of state policy. Considering how starved the Alliance is for new starship production, having Alliance government members court her majesty would certainly be inevitable.

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    Since the Cizerack, Hapans, Bothans, and Mon Calamari / Quarren are the four big two-senator sectors, it might be cool if we can manage to get one of each into the pool of Ministers somehow: make sure the big people are involved in the Alliance in a big way.

    Some other planets/races that might make interesting Senators/Ministers/etc -


    • Sullust is home to the SoroSuub Corporation, one of our major ship producers; maybe a good Minister of Industry. (mining, manufacture, etc)
    • Öetrago is potentially the Ithorian version of New Alderaan; an Ithorian might make an interesting Minister of Agriculture and/or the Environment.
    • Clak'dor is the Bith homeworld; they are super-smart, and might make a good Minister of Science.
    • Naboo is one of the few dominant Human worlds; might be good for Minister of Justice / Culture / Education / that sort of thing.
    • Lantillies and Contruum are both major Human worlds, very close to Imperial space, and both associated with shipping and shipbuilding.
    • Malastare is inhabited by Gran and Dugs; the Gran worlds of Kinyen and Hok are in Imperial space, which might make things interesting: a Gran diplomat might push harder for trade relations/etc with the Empire than many of the other senators would.
    • Elom, Chad, Vorzyd, Gand, Roche, Dressel, Troiken, Quermia, and Lahsbane are all alien homeworlds inside Alliance territory, and might make for interesting flavour characters, members of subcommittees, etc.
    • The Gordian Reach is one of our biggest sectors. Arda, Bronsoon, Presbalin, and Torque are the main human worlds; it's also home to the B'trillans. and has many mining, industrial, and agriworlds as well as free/pirate ports like Junction and Korphir.


    If memory serves... Charley and I schemed about him being Naboo Senator (Cicero), and Sarah is going to write the Bothan for Kothlis?

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    The lists in Post #2 are as up to date as I can make them with the information I have.

    I've added in a little tally at the bottom to give an idea of how the races are breaking down, and how ridiculously humans outnumber everyone else. We're actually sitting at 10 non-humans versus 6 humans in the Senate at the moment, plus we have two non-human representatives, so we're looking surprisingly good there!

    In terms of Ministers, Torrsk Oruo'rel is now down as the Minister of Defense, while Leadra Longstar is the Minister of Security; their roles overlap a lot, but broadly speaking Defense will supervise the Navy, Starfighter Corps and SpecForce, while Security will supervise Alliance Intelligence and Alliance Security. Niev Minetii of Sullust and SoroSuub is down as Minister of Industry, which covers mining, engineering, construction, and so on; Tukphen from Mon Calamari is down as Minister of Supply, which covers food, medical supplies, and other essentials, and getting stuff to where it needs to go.

    We have five of the original seven Advisory Council characters now in Minister roles, plus an Onderon/Hapes person and maybe a Cizerack for Trade/Commerce too: which makes sense in terms of politics and what not. So yay, go us!

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    Do expect an Ambassador from Zeltros to join you all at some point.

    No of course not myself. Don't be silly, I have far more lucrative personal things that must be seen to. Though I believe I have a son who would be quite fitting for the job.

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    Having a Cizeri minister of commerce makes sense to me. I think that posting would go to Jaanseerra Arretaura since she's senior. Then again, Taataani is the oligarchy's candidate and would be more aligned with big business, so it's a toss-up there. Guess it depends on who selects the postings.

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    I suppose it depends on what the job actually is.

    In terms of establishing an economy, communicating the fact that Planet A wants to buy what Planet B is producing, the senior Senator might be more qualified: if she's from the Pride Mothers' cadre, she might have a better top-down view of how the Cizerack economy works, whereas Taataani's knowledge of commerce comes from navigating inside it: she knows the exploits, but not necessarily the best way to set up a fair one. On the flipside, the Cizerack are naturally self-interested and isolationist: someone loyal to the Pride Mother might be inclined to skew commerce towards the Cluster, whereas Taataani might not feel so bound by that consideration.

    On the flipside, in terms of seeking out trade situations not just from within the Alliance but in terms of negotiations with the Hutts, independent worlds, and maybe even the Empire, Taataani is probably better suited. Not only does she have experience of the Imperial economy, she's previously worked with the Alliance to help provide supplies and such things. The majority of the Ministers so far are familiar to the Alliance in their specific fields, so Taataani being appointed because she's a known quantity makes a fair bit of sense.

    I'd almost suggest splitting it up between the two of them, Jaanseerra for the economy and Taataani for trade... but two Cizerack might be too racially/culturally biased to be appropriate?

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    Nah, just one of them should get the nod. Makes it all the more sweeter when they incessantly (politely) bicker

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    I'm pretty OCD when it comes to making lists, so I don't think that'll be a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charley View Post
    Nah, just one of them should get the nod. Makes it all the more sweeter when they incessantly (politely) bicker
    You have a preference on this Charley? I could go either way, since whoever gets in while be endlessly sniping at the other anyway.

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    okay, Elaine Alastor is going to be Senator for Hapes. our other Hapan rep (Delphnye Sarpin) would be the second Senator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dasquian Belargic View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Charley View Post
    Nah, just one of them should get the nod. Makes it all the more sweeter when they incessantly (politely) bicker
    You have a preference on this Charley? I could go either way, since whoever gets in while be endlessly sniping at the other anyway.
    If it's me choosing, I'd say Jaan should get the nod just because it gives the character more on her plate and more chance to assert herself and flesh out her character.

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