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    I still think *****Catwoman**** for the next villian. If that's a spoiler, as its speculation. Anyway its because of the ***cat*** comment Fox makes in regards to the new Batsuit.

    Now, actresses for the role? Lets see... NOT HALLE BERRY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilaena De'Ville View Post
    Anyway its because of the ***cat*** comment Fox makes in regards to the new Batsuit.

    Now, actresses for the role? Lets see... NOT HALLE BERRY.
    Fft, I think that was just a throwaway comment. As for Halle Berry as Catwoman, boy I sure hope not. I think they just want to forget that movie all together.

    Kinda like the fourth Bat-film, whatever it was called. I erased it from existence. Or mine at least.

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    I think I'm finally getting to see this tomorrow - then at last I can peak at what all of these maddeningly intriguing spoilers are!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilaena De'Ville View Post
    I still think *****Catwoman**** for the next villian. If that's a spoiler, as its speculation. Anyway its because of the ***cat*** comment Fox makes in regards to the new Batsuit.

    Now, actresses for the role? Lets see... NOT HALLE BERRY.
    Kiera Knightly maybe? Also I don't think speculating on villains for the next film is a spoiler. Catwoman might be in it, but we have others to consider. Here is a short list of who is left that is doable. I am leaving out the monster type villains like Killer Croc and Clayface.

    The Riddler- He is obviously the highest profile one left. Of course I am not sure if he could really drive a whole plot. I could see him used as a side villain.

    Catwoman She makes a lot of sense just to be in the film. I don't think she could be the main focus but a love interest/ distraction for Batman.

    The Black Mask- I think he could be a the main villain now. In the comics, his character hates Bruce Wayne and you could make that his story. Maybe have the Riddler or another villain as one of his men.

    Bane- Bane would have to be a hired thug. He doesn't work on his own. Although I am not sure if you could ever do a story like Knightfall in the movies.

    Deadshot- Deadshot could be cool maybe have him hired by Black Mask to kill Bruce wayne.

    Poison Ivy She could be tough, you obviously would have to change her character a lot to fit the films. She definitely couldn't be controlling plants. Maybe an eco-terrorist.

    The Mad Hatter He is also tough more that he usually seems like he belongs in the 60's tv series. His MOM is interesting in Mind control that could make for an interesting movie but he would have to be a pretty dark version of the character.

    Talia Ah'Ghul- I thought about her maybe coming back for revenge for her father's death. My only problem is that some of it might seem like a rehash of Begins.

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    The night is much cooler than it has been since Thursday so I'm no longer too irritable to write a summary of my views on this film. I've seen it twice so far and I'll definately see it again but as far as I'm concerned, everyone who has been to see The Dark Knight once should feel obliged to see it again. We got a hell of a deal to pay a standard fee to go see what is essentially, when you sum up the quantity of quality on screen, two excellent films rolled into one. Blockbusters of this quality are too scarce and deserve all the money they rake in; quality film-making, especially in the mainstream, needs to be put up on a pedestal to show the rest how it's done.

    First thing's first, this film is relentless in pace and execution. It almost feels like Christopher Nolan made Batman Begins just so he could make this film - by the end of Begins all the pieces were in place and from the very beginning of the Dark Knight, the audience is thrown head first into a story which unravels at break-neck speed for almost two and a half hours. I can't even remember when I last saw a film so fully-loaded, in fact, I was worried that I'd find the copious amounts of plot twists and revelations a bit baggy the second time around. It didn't feel the slightest bit bloated and this is thanks to a masterfully crafted script: character, story, action, humour, ideas and set pieces, it has it all balanced and wonderfully entertaining at the same time.

    I feel a bit guilty saying this: Heath Ledger is the star of the movie. I could spew forth psychadellic hyperbole praising his performance for the rest of this post and list all the reasons why but not to slight the work of anyone else on the production, but I just found the Joker the most entertaining aspect of the film. The acting was first class all around, next to Ledger I'd put Gary Oldman in a very close second, he was wonderful and I felt for Gordon more than any other character. In fact, Gordon in this film reminded me of Tommy Lee Jones's character in No Country for Old Men in that here you have the human anchor at the centre of all these superhuman personalities in the Joker, Batman, and Harvey Dent. "Because he's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not a hero..." Hands down my favourite moment when he said that, absolutely hair-raising.

    If I were to compare the two motion picture Jokers, I'd say first of all that Heath's spanks Jack's for me. In Tim Burton's Batman that is exactly what we got: Tim Burton's Batman. The man is an auteur in his film-making, and naturally, the Joker we got was perfect for his vision but it isn't the Joker from the comics. We saw Jack Nicholson's Joker in Tim Burton's Batman. In the Dark Knight, we get the Joker and we get Batman. Heath's performance is hilarious, terrifying, and mesmerizing. I've not been so transfixed by a villain since Hannibal Lecter. In fact, the moment when the Joker escapes and is riding in the back of a police car is very reminiscent of how Lecter's escape was handled in Silence of the Lambs; the music crescendos and cuts to a silent shot of Clarice's friend sprinting down a hall in a panic, similarly, the music crescendos and cuts to a silent shot of the Joker escaping the police in a car. It felt very similar both times I watched it. So extra props goes to Christopher Nolan for invoking the spirit of the Silence of the Lambs.

    I'm not really going to touch on the plot because there's so much of it to talk about. What I will say is I love being surprised by stories and this one caught me off guard numerous times, and each time I thought "I'm so glad I avoided spoilers" (Except that concept design of Two Face I posted - I was amazed they stuck by their guns with that one). What impressed me a great deal was the way that this is very much a film about ideas, amongst other things, but the simple themes of dark and light and succumbing to our darker impulses and fighting for the soul of Gotham thrown in amongst all this crime thriller mayhem really stood out and allowed the audience to really sense the inner struggle of characters like Bruce Wayne and Harvey Dent. This is all thanks to the part that was written for the Joker, how that character is handled throughout the film makes him the perfect antagonist who "does things" and drives the plot forward with crushing momentum. Everytime a set piece closes, another dilemma kicks into gear and by the end of the film I felt literally breathless with exhileration. The last film to have that effect on me was the Return of the King.

    Peter asked me if The Dark Knight is in my top ten or twenty and I told him I didn't know because time will tell but I won't rule it out because it really is such a superb piece of cinema. It is a comic book movie that goes completely unhindered by the stereotypical expectations of the genre and takes itself completely seriously, as it deserves, and as a result the effect is the same as what was achieved with Casino Royale. This isn't a great comic book film, it has no peers in the genre, but simply a wonderful film and a perfect example of how intelligent a blockbuster film can and should be. And as far as Heath Ledger and Oscar nominations go: if Javier Bardem can win a Best Supporting Actor award for his villain last year, then so can Heath Ledger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedi Master Carr View Post

    Kiera Knightly maybe? Also I don't think speculating on villains for the next film is a spoiler. Catwoman might be in it, but we have others to consider. Here is a short list of who is left that is doable. I am leaving out the monster type villains like Killer Croc and Clayface.

    Deadshot- Deadshot could be cool maybe have him hired by Black Mask to kill Bruce wayne.

    Incrediably small Gotham Knight spoiler Killer Croc and Deadshot made appearances in Gotham Knight.

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    http://www.rte.ie/arts/2008/0731/deppj.html

    'Sweeney Todd' star Johnny Depp is being tipped to play The Riddler in the next Batman sequel.

    Following the huge box office success of the Christopher Nolan- directed 'The Dark Knight', producers are hoping that they can convince Depp to take the role.

    The National Enquirer also reports that studio bosses are hopeful that Oscar winner Philip Seymour Hoffman will take on the role of The Penguin.

    Earlier this week it was reported that Angelina Jolie was interested in taking the role of Catwoman in any planned sequel to 'The Dark Knight', which has grossed over €280m worldwide.
    I can't imagine Depp as the Riddler

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Pode View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jedi Master Carr View Post

    Kiera Knightly maybe? Also I don't think speculating on villains for the next film is a spoiler. Catwoman might be in it, but we have others to consider. Here is a short list of who is left that is doable. I am leaving out the monster type villains like Killer Croc and Clayface.

    Deadshot- Deadshot could be cool maybe have him hired by Black Mask to kill Bruce wayne.

    Incrediably small Gotham Knight spoiler Killer Croc and Deadshot made appearances in Gotham Knight.

    where?! O_O

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dasquian Belargic View Post
    http://www.rte.ie/arts/2008/0731/deppj.html

    'Sweeney Todd' star Johnny Depp is being tipped to play The Riddler in the next Batman sequel.

    Following the huge box office success of the Christopher Nolan- directed 'The Dark Knight', producers are hoping that they can convince Depp to take the role.

    The National Enquirer also reports that studio bosses are hopeful that Oscar winner Philip Seymour Hoffman will take on the role of The Penguin.

    Earlier this week it was reported that Angelina Jolie was interested in taking the role of Catwoman in any planned sequel to 'The Dark Knight', which has grossed over €280m worldwide.
    I can't imagine Depp as the Riddler
    I think that is just gossip, no way could they get Angelina and Depp in a Batman sequel together. I think Depp could play the Riddler (it would have to be a much darker version). I think he can pull off any role though. Still, it would cost like 25 million to get him. I don't think Angelina could play Catwoman. She doesn't look the part to me. I really can't think of anybody off hand for her. I thought maybe Keira Knightly but am not sure there.

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    I hope they DON'T pick Kiera, I can't imagine her as Catwoman. She's waaaaay too young, imo.

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    Keira would make a crappy crap crappy Catwoman. Also I am sick of seeing her in everything. Give some other actresses something to do >: It needs to be someone weird, and dangerous... someone over at SomethingAwful suggested Rosario Dawson, I can picture that.

    The problem I have with Johnny Depp is that he is... Jack Sparrow. I don't know, it just feels like since he took that role, everything else has been coloured by it. Sweeney Todd felt like Tim Burton's Jack Sparrow, to me. As I said about Keira Knightley, I'd much rather see them give the part to someone talented by who isn't so commonly seen in Hollywood... like Crispin Glover.

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    Keira would make a crappy crap crappy Catwoman. Also I am sick of seeing her in everything. Give some other actresses something to do >: It needs to be someone weird, and dangerous... someone over at SomethingAwful suggested Rosario Dawson, I can picture that.

    The problem I have with Johnny Depp is that he is... Jack Sparrow. I don't know, it just feels like since he took that role, everything else has been coloured by it. Sweeney Todd felt like Tim Burton's Jack Sparrow, to me. As I said about Keira Knightley, I'd much rather see them give the part to someone talented by who isn't so commonly seen in Hollywood... like Crispin Glover.

    Crispin Glover is a horrible actor. He hasn't done anything good since Back to the Future. About Depp he is playing Johnny Dillenger in Public Enemies and I think that will be different for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miranda Tarkin View Post
    where?! O_O
    Deadshot's in the final chapter of the story (wearing the cowboy hat) and Croc is in the story dealing with Scarecrow and the priest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurelias Kazaar View Post
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    where?! O_O
    Deadshot's in the final chapter of the story (wearing the cowboy hat) and Croc is in the story dealing with Scarecrow and the priest.

    I think she mistook Gotham Knight for Dark Knight.

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    Wow, I just got back from seeing this (finally). I haven't felt this affected by a movie in a long time. I spent the whole time watching on edge, not knowing what was around the corner - and even now I'm still feeling a little shaken by it. Incredible.

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    Actually no I didn't. I didn't realize they were in Gotham Knight - haven't seen it yet and don't know those characters well

    And when I meant where, I meant where in the stories. So thanks Tay-tay!

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    I took it for granted that Fox doesn't quit. As he walks away from the computer he smiles. His faith in Batman is restored because the equipment is destroyed.

    I NEVER liked the constant unmasking of Batman in films. It was incredibly annoying and unfaithful to the character. In Batman Begins Keaton WILLINGLY unmasks himself in front of Catwoman AND Walken's character. For no other reason than to try to convince Catwoman not to kill. Yeah, great idea Bruce. Then what happens if you succeed and the villian of the film now knows your true identity? STOOOPID.

    In Burton's Batman I think the Joker's line about killing Batman's parents started with "I must have been a kid when I killed..." So I don't think he ever made the connection between Wayne and Batman.

    I've run some numbers and it looks like $500M is a lock. But I don't see TDK reaching Titanic and $600 unless it has a trend defying week in the next month. Titanic had a couple of those. Weekends where its gross actually INCREASED instead of declining. In fact let me look it up real quick... Yeah, Titanic's grosses increased in weeks 2, 5, 7, and 9. 9 was particularly incredible because it was a 22% jump that gave the boat a $28M weekend to start off it's 3rd month. Strong holds and that week gave it the legs to cruise to $600M. Without some kind of jump I don't see how TDK can reach $600M. It might do it with a couple of even weeks, but I doubt it. It did a nice job of beating back The Mummy this weekend and I think it has a good shot at defeating Pineapple Express next weekend. It's reign at #1 should end with The Clone Wars.


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    The Joker, aka Jack Napier in Batman, as far as dialogue goes, does make the connection. The line is "I was a kid when I killed your parents..." so he surely must be aware of who Batman really is.

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    A version of the original Dark Knight trailer as performed by kids, it's too cute not to share:


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