View Full Version : Rogue One - Now With Extra Spoilers (DON'T READ UNTIL YOUR EYEBALLS EAT)
Morgan Evanar
Dec 16th, 2016, 02:01:03 PM
This is for all of us lucky folk who got to see the movie.
Seriously this thread is for spoilers.
So many.
A couple of points: I wasn't expecting it to take place so close to ANH.
So much death. Soooo much death. "At great cost" is a bit of an understatement.
Interesting use of recycled footage. The only CGI insert that was a little iffy was Tarkin. The politicking (Tarkin's especially), though, was spot on. I loved those aspects of the movie.
Did we see Bast and Vjun? Holy shit ya'll.
The contrast of Scarif's sandy beaches against the terror of war was just spectacular. I have more thoughts but I really feel like I need to sit down and see the movie again.
Madeleia
Dec 16th, 2016, 02:38:49 PM
Yeah, Tarkin and Leia at the end were very well done. I loved that John Knoll and Gareth Edwards kept to the original story of that raid, even though it was a tragic one. Loved the movie, the story and the characters. They did a great job. :D
Park Kraken
Dec 16th, 2016, 05:02:27 PM
That final space battle.....
Devastator did some devastating, all right.
Atreyu
Dec 16th, 2016, 09:00:34 PM
Saw it last night - enjoyed it thoroughly. :) Some quick thoughts below:
The Good
* Vader - every scene he was in, from the bacta tank to his dicussion with Krennic ("Don't choke on your ambitions Director." - ooohhh) to the boarding party. Absolutely awesome.
* Politics - as Morg said above the politiking between Krennic and Tarkin was great (and I loved Krennic's balls at complaining about it to Vader LOL). Particularly loved how Tarkin just swooped in and took control of the Death Star like that.
* Ties to previous films/TV series - liked how they were able to grab a few cast members from the prequels back in for this such as Mon Mothma (though her scenes had been deleted in the prequels) and Bail Organa. Also Forest Whitaker's character from the Clone Wars TV series making a reappearance.
* K-2 - just great, and voiced by Alan Tudyk (Firefly) too! :)
* Overall look & feel - did a great job at evoking the original from the 1970s. Also shots such as the Death Star causing a solar eclipse were nice touches.
* Closure - they didn't squib on what was going to happen to our heroes which I feared they might try and do with at least 1 or 2. They did their job, then perished at the end. Sad for the characters but I appreciated that they had the guts to close this particular story like that (especially in this Marvel/DC/superhero age where the heroes seem to just survive over and over again no matter the odds).
The Not Quite As Good (not bad, but things that kind of took me out briefly when I saw them)
* Beginning - missed the opening scroll (though I admit I don't know how it would have worked since it's a film based on a previous one-line plot point). Also the planet jumping in the first 15 mins I thought got a bit carried away.
* Tarkin - loved his presence, but admit he seemed a bit 'off' amongst all the other characters.
* Old X-Wing/Y-Wing characters inserted in - interesting addition but as soon as I saw them I knew these were deleted scenes from the original that have just been tidied up and inserted in. Again not bad, just distracted me a bit though.
The Odd
* Leia - so, she was just chilling in her ship whilst the battle was raging outside then made a quick dash at the end? Was that pre-planned or just good timing? I suppose it at least explains why at the beginning of ANH Vader just calls bullshit immediately when she tries to say she's on a 'diplomatic mission' (as he actually saw her ship fly off).
* AT-ATs - they seemed to go down without much difficulty against the X-Wings and Y-Wings, which makes me wonder why on Hoth in ESB the Rebels had so much trouble. Extra armour? Too cold for their regular ships to operate so had to settle for weaker snow speeders? Not sure.
Morgan Evanar
Dec 16th, 2016, 09:56:02 PM
AT-ATs - obviously not AT-ATs, these had biiig cargo gaps in the middle and were used for moving equipment around. Clearly not as heavily armored as the big stompers we saw on Hoth.
Agree on the Leia front, her being there was just too close to the action. I would have much rathered a rendezvous in another scene.
Tarkin - do you mean felt obviously CGI and dancing in the uncanny valley? Because that's what I got.
Yes on the Vader front... yesssssss.
Loklorien s'Ilancy
Dec 16th, 2016, 11:30:02 PM
The only thing that made Vader weird for me was that it seemed the neck portion was kinda wide. Nothing that detracted, it was just one of those things that stuck out to my eyes. Also, I thought that was Mustafar he was on? Since it was the only planet not named, I figured it was a planet we'd already been introduced to in the films, plus I'd imagine that Mustafar holds a lot of meaning for him?
Nikolai Drakken
Dec 17th, 2016, 01:48:51 AM
Really big fan of how it felt like it really belonged with the original trilogy. Even down to the control consoles in Yavin, and the way they engaged the Death Star. All in all, very often I was struck feeling that it looked and felt that right amount of familiar without being so cgi disjointed that I was pulled out of it.
Crusader
Dec 17th, 2016, 04:45:06 AM
I think the Tarkin was disturbingly well done, most of the time I was thinking does he look weird because I know that he is CGI or is it uncanny valley weird.
Sianna
Dec 17th, 2016, 04:57:43 AM
The fiery-looking world that Vader's chamber was on was actually Vjun - Bast Castle. :D I thought that was a nice touch and finally gave us a chance to see that place. It was used in several comics back in the 90's, though I forgot the series name.... :(
Loklorien s'Ilancy
Dec 17th, 2016, 10:48:10 AM
I was curious and looked it up. It's Mustafar :)
https://www.geek.com/movies/how-rogue-one-connects-to-the-greater-star-wars-universe-1682761/
GeekMomtoThree
Dec 17th, 2016, 12:38:21 PM
It's funny -- I thought Tarkin was very well done, but Leia seemed really off to me. Something about the eyes creeped me out. I agree about Vader's neck portion -- it was a bit wide.
Some of the things I really liked:
*The last 20 - 30 minutes
*The random bonuses -- like General Sindula, seeing the Ghost fly into battle, the two guys from the Mos Eisley cantina
*The overall look and feel of it
*The droid, K-2
*The overall concept and storyline
*I really liked the fact that Leia was there -- it makes her lie all that more ballsy in New Hope. Dude, you just escaped from Vader by the literal skin of your damn teeth and you're trying to tell him you're on a mission from the Senate without batting an eyelash? Damn, girl.
*They took out the line that drove me insane from the trailers (we rebel).
*I really like they didn't actually go for an attempt of a love story in this. I was worried the way the Captain looked at Jyn sometimes and was dreading going down the same path, but luckily they both died.
Some of the things that I wasn't fond of...
*Honestly, I wasn't a fan of Vader's corny "choke on your aspirations" line... Dark Lords of the Sith aren't corny, damn it.
*The biggest sticking point for me is that I guess I just wanted more character development. Give me a reason to care about these heroes, because I didn't. The only one I was sad about was K-2 because he had personality... The monk was so bad ass, and so underused. I don't even remember half of their names (Jyn, Bodhi, monk, dude with monk, the Surly Pissy Captain)... I know that it couldn't really be done within the constraints of this format so I am probably asking far too much of this movie... but I wished I cared they died... because I didn't.
*No opening Star Wars music or crawl... Yeah, yeah, I know, it's a one-off... but that gets you in the mood.
Seriously, though, how amazing were those last 5 minutes when Vader comes aboard the ship? I mean, the terror in that hallway was almost palpable.
Loklorien s'Ilancy
Dec 17th, 2016, 12:44:10 PM
Oh gosh yes, the hallway scene was pure grimdark. That one Rebel at the door screaming at the others for help sold every ounce of desperation in those last moments, and then the last-ditch pass through the doorway. The terror, the utter fear, and the knowledge that he was going to get flat-out butchered... you could see all of that in his eyes and hear it in his voice.
Park Kraken
Dec 17th, 2016, 12:53:02 PM
From a Fleeting perspective, I was wondering if Admiral Raddus's flagship was a modified Providence class Destroyer?
Also, I know it's because the space battle would've been too short, but I was still feeling frustrated (and this boils over from watching Star Wars Rebels) that the ISD's didn't do much apart from being eye candy. Devastator at least did her part but the other two in the final battle didn't even fire a shot as far as I saw, the one that got rammed had her heavy gun batteries sitting idle.
Loklorien s'Ilancy
Dec 17th, 2016, 03:48:35 PM
I'll have to pay more attention to that bit on a second viewing. I was absolutely blown away at the time by the hammerhead bowing up to a SD like that and shoving it over. It really nailed home the last-ditch desperation that the Rebellion was clinging to. I do seem to recall an ion barrage on one of the SD's, so would that maybe have taken out their ability to fire back?
Atreyu
Dec 17th, 2016, 05:37:42 PM
AT-ATs - obviously not AT-ATs, these had biiig cargo gaps in the middle and were used for moving equipment around. Clearly not as heavily armored as the big stompers we saw on Hoth.
That's what I figured - a type of variant with less armour.
Agree on the Leia front, her being there was just too close to the action. I would have much rathered a rendezvous in another scene.
I agree, but I guess that might have just added to the running time and made it more complicated (Vader being in pursuit and having to organise a rendezvous on the fly). I'm not fussed but it stuck out for me at the time.
Tarkin - do you mean felt obviously CGI and dancing in the uncanny valley? Because that's what I got.
Yes that - at times I felt something unnatural about Tarkin whilst standing among the others. I didn't mind it *too* much though (definitely impressive on a technical level - I feel we've come a long way from Jar Jar) and I love the tit-for-tat passive-aggressiveness going on between Tarkin and Krennic. :)
Yes on the Vader front... yesssssss.
The only downside of Vader kicking Rebel butt at the end is that it makes his entrance in ANH (chronologically only hours later) seem a bit lacklustre, but that's only an issue if you insist on watching them chronologically. I still think it's great regardless. :)
Injah Bas
Dec 17th, 2016, 09:36:40 PM
In the movie theatres now. I loved all of what was done CGI wise. Only issue was the speed at the beginning and Vader's neck. That final scene he had with the Rebels couldn't have been better.
Matatek Sel Vissica
Dec 18th, 2016, 01:17:56 AM
Okay so here's my laundry list of stuff.
The Good
The third act. Good lord that was amazing. All of it.
AT-ACT tactics. It's been touched on a little, but those were all clean kills even if we assume these things have AT-AT level armor. X-Wing shot to the neck (a confirmed fatal shot) took the first one down smooth. One of the walkers took a shot in the open bay which looked like it must have cooked off a secondary explosion. Hint, don't go into battle with your bay open! Third, a U-Wing raked a continuous focus fire on a single knee joint with an ion cannon. This one takes a bit, but other novels have already pointed out that vulnerability (Lost Stars), so if you consider that AND the whole notion that all the ions have to do is cause the power at the joint to fail, then gravity is going to shear the rest. The Rebels at Hoth never really got in a position to deliver focus fire, and it showed in their rout.
The weird CGI people. I spoiled myself on this a little by reading reviews and I came in expecting to dread it but...wow it actually really worked. Leia's was iffy but it still looked incredibly good. If I went in without knowing these folks shot their scenes in 1976 I would have never known. And Tarkin actually worked well enough to deliver as a full character instead of a set piece! That is INSANE!
Speaking of Tarkin, the bitch rivalry between him and Krennic was not only delicious, but also VERY true to the depiction of the Empire as basically space Nazis. This was a major thing in Third Reich realpolitik, where you had powerful people with jurisdictional overlap and a system that not only compelled them to compete, but also to sometimes sabotage each other. That makes the Empire feel that much more threatening.
Speaking of threatening, the THREAT of the Death Star feels so much more chilling and real when you see what it does on the small scale. Seeing Alderaan explode, I mean you *get* this is a bad thing, but I think even these "test shots" just bringing it down to eye level generate the kind of cold existential dread that you as a viewer need to own to appreciate how awful this weapon is. Even Starkiller's shot on Hosnian Prime in TFA didn't quite deliver this as chillingly as Rogue One, where you see a city get instantly nuked, then have minutes to consider your futility and make peace with your faith as a displacement wave the size of an entire province just comes rolling at you.
Following on the heels of that, I think Galen Erso was played great. You felt that kind of Oppenheimer-esque sickened soul, with him realizing full-well what his own hands created, but also you had this determined resistance he carried with him to his death that reminded me a lot of stuff in Schindler's List.
We finally get to see why you do not fuck with Y-Wings. Payload wins wars, and when you can stick ion bombs where they hurt, you get to do things like use space's laws of inertia to your great benefit, which leads us to...
That Hammerhead kill! Tell me y'all didn't want to see a *bump* happen in Empire when the Falcon was slipping the gap! And I explained this to Jenn, but considering that the disabled destroyer didn't look to be trying to open the ranks when it got zapped, it had no inertia to challenge what that little pusher wanted to do. It was a hard impact, but once they were flush, there's nothing stopping the hammer from dumping its sublights and giving a shove. Considering the other destroyer didn't have line of sight or guns-on, there wasn't anything it could do once the gimp ship was moving enough. Tactics win battles, y'all.
Baze's repeater is dope.
Chirrut's martial arts were brutal.
I got a bit squeamish seeing that one X-Wing splash the shield, and I love how they allowed the thing to break up and skid along the energy barrier before fully exploding. It made the impact really hurt to watch, yikes.
Saw Gerrera and Cassian Andor. I am so glad to see the Rebels with their share of skeletons in the closet. Ruthless, high-functioning sociopath true believers, fanatical warlords, etc. We got a taste of that in EU with Garm Bel Iblis but it never really felt like more than just a higher difference in opinion between the factions. With these guys, you actually can see them pushing the bleeding edge and seeing exactly how far you can take things and still be the "good guys". I liked these guys for different reasons. Cassian is a hard boiled dude that will cut your throat if it's a net win for the Rebels, and I LOVED the nastiness of Saw's gang. It made the insurgency on Jedha feel like Mogadishu, just a real nasty sense of danger.
K2SO is, obviously, a treat to watch. The best dialogue, awesome action. All of it.
The U-Wing really fit a cool niche in missing capability for the Alliance. Maybe I just like close-air support, but getting boots on the ground fast and providing a flying base of fire is what made me love LAATs, and while I like LAATs a bit more than this ship, it's still an awesome sight.
I liked that ultimately what killed Galen was fog of war and the Rebels own doing. War is capricious like that. I think having Krennic off him or Vader or stuff like that would have diluted something.
The desperation of the hallway fight was amazing and was also so hard to watch. I mean, oof. Turning the distance between defeat and victory into a guy slipping a disk into a gap in the door really helped to put a master stroke on exactly how close and desperate this whole endeavor became.
All the Rebels callouts. I missed a few (seeing Chopper and a landed Ghost) but I heard General Syndulla's callout and saw the Ghost in the fight for a while. I'm not sure if it managed to jump out of the system but I'm also not sure if I want to see it. After all, that gives writers leeway.
Red Five got destroyed lol. It's such a little thing, but the squadron needed a slot to open up for, well, you know!
This goes back to Krennic and Tarkin's slap fight, but I really like how different each man was. Ben Mendelsohn made mention of this in an interview, stating that Krennic had come from the middle class and Tarkin was an aristocrat. You could see that in how each man played on each other. Krennic in his ostentatious attire and his attempts with Vader to end-runaround his fate, and his temper. He's got a thin skin, and he blows up at each slight. He's trying like hell to increase his status. Tarkin's never had to worry about that. He's been an insider since the Clone Wars. He doesn't wear frivolity on his uniform because he's got his name and his reputation and doesn't need anything, even a raised voice.
I love love love that "Rogue One" was basically an ad-lib. An on-the-spot blurt from Bodhi as they were stealing their ship lol. It makes it even more touching that the Rebels go on to lionize the name in their most famous and storied squadron.
Mon Mothma nailed it. But we already saw her nail it from the trailers, but it's crazy how good that actress fit the part.
General Dodonna wasn't a CGIzombie, they actually got an actor for that part, and it looked pretty damned seamless to me.
The general sense of 1970-ness was great to see. Rebel pilots in dumpy looking suits and some goddamned mustaches. Fuck yes. Put mustaches on pilots dammit!
While some of the soundrack was here and there, I am happy that they managed to use the ANH Empire theme. It felt good to hear notes of that again.
Death Troopers are creepy. That's probably an intended effect!
I'm glad that a lot of the clunky dumpy shit we saw in the trailers (this is a rebellion isn't it? I rebel) was shitcanned. I'm not sure if they deliberately shot some of that as a disinformation campaign or if reshoots trimmed the fat, but the stuff that I cringed at in the trailers was not there and that's good.
Above all, I am so glad that Disney had the balls to go for the Total Party Kill. It's dark and hard to watch in parts, but it really honestly adds to the soul of this desperate rebellion, and makes all the sacrifices we've seen in subsequent OT legend really pop.
The Bad:
The whole scene on Mustafar served questionable purpose. It seemed like an elaborate set piece and an excuse to have Vader choke Krennic. Don't get me started on that pun, because the Dark Lord of the Sith shouldn't pun. Honestly, having Krennic try and spin his chances by hologram would have done the trick and taken less time which could have been used for...
Characterization. No, I'm not expecting what we get in the saga, but I do think we could have used a little more. I'd like to know more about Jyn and about Cassian, and a little more Chirrut/Baze bromance. I'm not super mad about it but I think a little more of that and some more banter would have gone far.
Krennic's shuttle is stupid. Its ugly and dumb. I get *why* Krennic would want a different shuttle (that flashy bitch has a CAPE) but I really wish they would have stuck to a Lambda. They're the sexiest space shuttle ever made. If he couldn't have gotten a Lambda (I get it, I really do) at least design something that isn't so butt hideous.
Some murky dialogue (I'm looking at you, Bail Organa). That scene when he was leaving the meeting on Yavin, he kept ping-ponging between Obi Wan references and Leia references and it wasn't crystal clear.
Ponda Baba and the Doctor. Ehhhhh come on. I mean it's at worst George Lucas special edition level meddling, but it still feels clunky.
I didn't really like Bodhi Rook. I think he could have been done better from the ground-up.
The Nitpick
The crawl. I get why they want a clean break, but I do miss it on some basic level. Everything gets crawls. Comics get crawls. Video games get crawls. There's certainly some level of fluff they could cobble together for three tantalizing paragraphs, certainly?
TIE strikers kind of got chumped. For a ship that's supposed to benefit from atmosphere environments to be more agile, they never really got to address this native dominance.
Why didn't they label Mustafar? It's the only planet that doesn't get a label.
This is from a single viewing on 3D IMAX. I will be following up with many more views in 2D (I'm off the 3D roller coaster for good, I think I just get distracted). From the disparity in list sizes though, I think it's safe to say that the good outweighed the bad for me, by a massive amount. I loved this film. I know that Star Wars fans self-flagellate themselves over this hard-wired urge to rank the films, and I guess it's inevitable that I have to arrange them at some point. Right now I think I'm at an interchangeable level of like between this and The Force Awakens, and they both sit squarely behind the original trilogy, breathing hard on the heels of Return of the Jedi, with a comfortable gap between them and Revenge of the Sith, which is miles ahead of TPM and then Attack of the Clones.
Who knows how that might change though? I know my love of each of the new movies has cooled a little with added views, but I haven't felt challenged from my initial feelings on TFA and I'm not sure that I'll lose my swoon for this movie either. It's a great fit to the larger Star Wars universe. The tone shift was definitely enough to make it a "different thing" than the more fantasy-driven saga movies, I really think there's been this hunger and urge to add some meat and reality to the Star Wars universe, and I think this movie has done a tremendous amount of good, not only to that, but also to help underscore the gravity and desperation leading into the Original Trilogy.
I immediately watched A New Hope upon getting home from Rogue One, just as I did when Revenge of the Sith came out. To my delight, it made the experience that much more delightful.
Bravo, Rogue One. Bravo. You've made that galaxy far, far away that much more of an interesting place to visit.
Besh
Dec 18th, 2016, 02:14:19 AM
By and far the best scene in that movie is Vader at the end fighting the Rebels. It had everything the other scenes meant to evoke specific responses lacked, save for maybe Chirrut and Baze, which was quick and good use of a short period to set up a scene and great cinematography to capture everything. The desperation is real, the fear is real, and the sheer inevitability of their deaths fighting Vader was masterful. Cassian and Jyn's developing friendship could have used such care.
Speaking of which: I get what they were trying to do with Cassian and Jyn, but honestly I don't feel we were given enough to really buy how their relationship develops. Am I the only one who got confused by sudden romantic vibes during their escape? It may not have been there, but yeah. Jyn really should have been given more scenes and lines like the council scene and where she's calling out Cassian, and Cassian should have had a few more mere moments to visibly ponder and be shaken by Jyn's own moral certitude and decide that's what he wants also, like Han's change of heart at the end of A New Hope, or closer to this, K2's change of heart towards Jyn through the movie.
Tarkin was really well done, but both he and Leia had definite uncanny valley vibes to me.
Honestly, while I love K2-SO, I'd have loved for Alan Tudyk to get a role in a major motion picture where he's not in a mo-cap suit or doing voice-overs. That said, K2 was one of the realest and most believable characters in the movie, and everyone involved should get an award for that: writers, animators, director, and Tudyk himself.
Saw Gerrera seemed to me to be a symptom of one of the flatter notes of the movie for me, and that is there is supposed to be an overarching sense of fear and tension from the Empire, but that element only takes off in the last act of the film where to be sure it was most needed. He was well done and fittingly paranoid and great at showing the tension between the people of the rebellion and its ideals, but without that sense of danger from the Empire, I didn't get to feel him as a person, nor did I really buy the relationship between him and Jyn.
A lot of my dissatisfactions with the film have to do with pacing, I'm noticing. The majority of the film feels rushed, save for ironically the frenetically paced and best third act I've seen in years. Bodhi, Cassian and Jyn, Saw and Jyn, Jyn and her father, a lot of these plot points are basically told to us (save for Bodhi) and rushed through to set up the amazing finale sequence.
THANK GOD THEY DIED.
Also: shout out to Charley; while watching the ending, all I could think of aside from "hell yeah!" was of Vanguards and Vissica.
Park Kraken
Dec 18th, 2016, 03:30:36 AM
Okay saw it for a second time. Can confirm that the ISD's were firing, their fire was mixed in with TIE Fighters, so I missed it the first time.
Also saw that a Nebulon-B Frigate and at least one Hammerhead escaped along with some of the Corvettes and Transports before Devastator popped in. I wonder if this fleet ties in to the other fleet seen at the end of Empire Strikes Back? Could be some of the other fleet gets away too after it pops in, although we see at least one NBEF get blown in half along with the Rebel flagship getting disabled.
Saw the grounded Ghost on Yavin 4 and heard the "General Syndulla, please report to the brig" message before Cassian comes walking up with the twenty or so other Commandoes.
Injah Bas
Dec 18th, 2016, 12:48:06 PM
So looks like at least some of the Ghost crew makes it to the Galactic Civil War times.
Loklorien s'Ilancy
Dec 18th, 2016, 01:40:06 PM
Is it bad the I was more moved by K-2's death than anyone else's?
Injah Bas
Dec 18th, 2016, 02:23:06 PM
K-2, Chirrut and Baze were the only deaths that I cared about. Also, the guy who got shot first in the space fight for some odd reason. That's when the unbeatable terror of the Empire finally was evoked. Their end seemed inevitable at that point.
Atreyu
Dec 18th, 2016, 04:40:49 PM
I found them all moving in their own way - even Jyn and Cassian as they watched the destructive wave approaching them. K2's though was particularly sad ("I have sealed off the door. Good luck.") and Chirrut just after his moment of triumph getting over to the master switch. :cry
Rev Solomon
Dec 18th, 2016, 09:28:46 PM
Watched it yesterday with my brother, and the best seats we could get were in the second row. Thank goodness for recliner seating, or we'd have needed a neck adjustment on the way out of the theater. Definitely wasn't an ideal viewing experience, but let me tell you, seeing the Death Star, Star Destroyers, and Vader's castle from that perspective really made them feel larger than life. Now I want to see it in IMAX.
There's not a lot I could say about the story that hasn't been said before in this thread. I found myself agreeing almost point-for-point with Charley's wonderful breakdown. For me, what set this movie apart was the feeling and atmosphere - it really was a war movie set in the Star Wars universe rather than an adventure, with a gravitas and dignity that Revenge of the Sith never approached. It's not perfect, but it felt fresh and deliberative, with great attention to detail. The scale of the movie felt just right - even though we were dealing with events on a galactic stage, the focus was on this tight band of characters and their personal loyalties, motivations, and struggles. That's what gives the movie's central conflict its emotional weight. To be honest, I thought it felt like a story that could have been told on these forums!
I want to see how it stands up to repeat viewing (hopefully from further back in the theater). My first impression is that I enjoyed it significantly better than Episode VII, which just hasn't held up to scrutiny. The original Death Star is far more terrifying than Starkiller Base ever was, all the more because we only ever saw it using a fraction of its power. And the final battle, both planetside and in orbit, was so well conceived and executed - it felt like a real military engagement with real tactics and consequences rather than just a bunch of static ships blasting at each other while characters tell us who's winning. What the movie did well more than makes up for some strange disjointed pacing at the beginning.
Figrin D'an
Dec 18th, 2016, 10:35:08 PM
I was quite pleased with how this film turned out. The rumors that circulated about the re-shoots had me worried a bit, but save for a few iffy moments, I enjoyed it a lot. As much as I love the Skywalker storyline and the Jedi/Sith dynamic, it was great to see a movie that focused on the "ordinary" people of the galaxy doing extraordinary things when the situation was the most dire, and sacrificing everything to give that glimmer of hope and keep the Rebellion alive.
Gareth Edwards and his team did a solid job of making this feel like it fit with the Episode IV story but still have it stand on it's own merits. It also didn't go overboard on the overt fan service (Vader's corny joke and R2/C3PO's appearance timing aside).
I'll be curious to see what other ideas the Lucasfilm Story Group will consider for film adaptation with the success of Rogue One. (I'm iffy on the Han Solo movie, but I guess we'll see. I'd love to see something about Vader between ROTS and Rogue One/ANH, but they might leave that for the comics.)
Morgan Evanar
Dec 20th, 2016, 11:00:35 AM
The tested crew talks some Rogue One https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrLF1hZqTwk
Lilaena De'Ville
Dec 20th, 2016, 11:35:54 AM
I really liked the movie.
I'm going to see it again.
That is all. :)
Tear
Dec 20th, 2016, 02:11:17 PM
I enjoyed it too. Great movie.
Zereth Lancer
Dec 20th, 2016, 06:11:27 PM
I'm not going to repeat anything that has already been said. To me one of the things I loved most was the starship interiors; namely the Mon Calamari flagship. There is a shot of Raddus looking down through the viewports of his command module, and it's like the entire galaxy is his aquarium. I know this is a staple of Mon Calamari design, but seeing it from that perspective was really cool and so fitting to their designs.
It was really cool to see the Hammerhead. It's a nice callback to an older starship, the kind of which you would expect the rebels to be using. The will use whatever they can get their hands on.
I hated Cassian. The entire movie. Hated him. Jyn was okay. Chirrut and Baze were the highlight of the characters for me.
Dear Disney, please include more droids/aliens. Thank you.
Loklorien s'Ilancy
Dec 21st, 2016, 10:48:45 AM
It might just be me, but after seeing it in 2D yesterday, I gotta say... I actually prefer the IMAX experience. I felt more like I was in the mix, rather than just a spectator. The AT-ACT's rattled bones, the explosions punched you down into your seat. And maybe it's just a sign that the IMAX experience is awesome, but I know I appreciated R1 more in IMAX.
Halajiin Rabeak
Dec 23rd, 2016, 07:20:05 AM
Saw it last night, and other than the first ten minutes I very much enjoyed it. But wow, those first ten minutes were just garbage. Clunkly, disjointed, and quite frankly unnecessary. Jyn's loss of her family could have been handled in a flashback, and the extra time could have been used to set up her character doing what she naturally did, whatever that was, before getting caught. Some more backstory for Cassian wouldn't have hurt either.
As usual, Alan Tudyk did a masterpiece job voicing his character, and Donnie Yueng stole the show in every scene he was in, but there was something I really didn't like....
...Tarkin.
Yes, I know he's supposed to be there for continuity, and the exchanges were good, but his model was badly-lit compared to everyone else, and that just made him look fake. I appreciate what they were trying to do, but I think he got far too much screen time, and he both lived, and had his summer home, in the Uncanny Valley.
Still, it does give me some fun plot ideas to go ahead with for both Hal and Sejah, as both would have gone to Jedah at some point, and their experiences at the Khyber Temple would have affected them in dynamically different ways.
Park Kraken
Mar 9th, 2017, 01:12:29 PM
A lingering question I haven't seen the answer to yet; Do the Rebel ships that escape the battle of Scarif tie in to the fleet seen at the end of Empire Strikes Back?
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