Spiderman 2

[Jedi Master Carr]

Anybody else seen it? Overall I enjoyed it, it is better than the first one, better villain, better story. Right now it is my second favorite film of the summer after Prisoner of Azkaban. As for spoilers

I loved Doc Ock, he was always one of my favorites in the comics and he was great in the movie, he was beating up spidey for a lot of the movie which was surprising. Also I am hoping he didn't actually die in the end there, he just floated way maybe he floated to shore and woke up with anemsia like he did several times in the comics. Not sure if they would ever bring him back, but I feel he surivived :) Also it looks like they are going down the route with Harry following in his father's footsteps. Not completely against that but he better be the Hobgoblin or something I would prefer a different costume than the one Norman had, it would give Harry his own identity as a villain. I am also guessing The Lizard will pop up next, they brought in Curt Conners, who had a decent role which shows where they are going there. Still no Eddie Brock, they better do Venom in these movies, he is Spiderman's main nemesis. I also liked J.J better in this movie he had a much bigger part and he was hilarious like in the comics. Also glad they rapped up the MJ-Peter thing no need to go through another movie of that.

[Garret Treborn]

I haven't seen it yet but I know it will be better then PoA.

[Garret Treborn]

It's already been confirmed, I thin,k that the villian in the 3rd movie is going to be the Hobgoblin, played by Harry Osbourne.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Well I am big Harry Potter geek so nothing could beat that movie for me :p

[Garret Treborn]

I'm surprised to hear somene say that. Most people I talked to didn't like it because it didn't match up 100% with the book, what a tragedy. I thought it was incredible though. Much better then the first 2 without question. All the changes in the setting and stuff were for the better. Gave it a better feel.

I am going to see SM2 later today though...

[Marcus Telcontar]

Originally posted by Garret Trebor
I haven't seen it yet but I know it will be better then PoA.

Riiiiiigggggghhhhhttttttt...........

[Garret Treborn]

Originally posted by Marcus Telcontar
Riiiiiigggggghhhhhttttttt...........

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[Dan the Man]

Originally posted by Garret Trebor
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He's questioning your amazing psychic power.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Well I think the majority of the Potter fans (this is from going to Potter message boards) loved the movie and thought it was better than the first two. There is a very vocal minority that hated it though. Look at the POA thread the vast majority of the Potter fans who saw it in that thread loved it. However lets not get into that we can continue that debate there if you want.

About Spiderman it is a fun movie can't argue about that. Actually this summer has been amazing all five films I have seen I enjoyed, althogh Van Helsing is no where near the other four film it is the worst film I have seen this summer.

[Garret Treborn]

Doesn't take a psychic to figure that one out.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Well I know Marcus hated the first Spiderman not sure if that has anything to do with it.

[Dan the Man]

Originally posted by Garret Trebor
Doesn't take a psychic to figure that one out.

I'd say it does. While I'm no fan of the Harry Potter franchise, I'm certainly not a fan of Spiderman either. I certainly wouldn't be making such a presumptuous statement in that light.

[Garret Treborn]

I will be darned if this:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/SpiderMan2-1133520/

doesn't mean something. 121 reviews counted and 116 are glorifying SM2.

And, I loved the first Spider Man. No reason why the second one shouldn't be just as good if not better.

[Dan the Man]

Originally posted by Garret Trebor
I will be darned if this:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/SpiderMan2-1133520/

doesn't mean something. 121 reviews counted and 116 are glorifying SM2.

Yes, because our taste in movies actually does perfectly correlate with Rotten Tomatoes, or any other critic for that matter.

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[Marcus Telcontar]

Originally posted by Garret Trebor
I will be darned if this:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/SpiderMan2-1133520/

doesn't mean something. 121 reviews counted and 116 are glorifying SM2.

And, I loved the first Spider Man. No reason why the second one shouldn't be just as good if not better.

Wouldnt be hard for SM2 to be better. Because the first was absolute crap. I cant think of a more appalling over CG'ed fest in the last 5 years that rotted my mind. Bad acting, rotten plot..... ewwww, that thing stunk.

So you then have a Nostradamous moment and claim to grok that SM2 will be better than PoA. Riiiiggghhhttttt. Excuse me while I be skeptical, but how can you grok that?

[Garret Treborn]

Well, 116/121 is an overwhelming majority. And it is enough for me to know that SM2 definatly won't suck. I will confirm this when I see it later today.

You are a vocal minority in your opinion of the oringial Spider Man.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Well I like the orginal film but I didn't love it. I enjoyed this one better honestly, I still rank it a little below X2 as the best Comic book film, but that is just my opinion.

[Marcus Telcontar]

Originally posted by Garret Trebor
Well, 116/121 is an overwhelming majority. And it is enough for me to know that SM2 definatly won't suck. I will confirm this when I see it later today.

You are a vocal minority in your opinion of the oringial Spider Man.


Not in Australia.


Well, 116/121 is an overwhelming majority.

Yeah and Titanic is the biggest B.O. film of all time. Going by your logic, that means Titanic is the best film of all time.

[Garret Treborn]

Well, the critics gave the original Spider Man decent scores. And these are probably the same critics that are giving Spider Man 2 a good score.

[Dan the Man]

Originally posted by Garret Trebor
Well, the critics gave the original Spider Man decent scores. And these are probably the same critics that are giving Spider Man 2 a good score.

I'm pretty sure that nobody cares about what critics like what movie. I've seen Roger Ebert give the Phantom Menace four stars. After my inner child died, I realized that there's something of a disconnect between critics and people who go watch movies.

[Garret Treborn]

What I am saying is, is that the critics, however stupid they might be, liked the original Spider Man and gave it a good score. I liked the original Spider Man and gave it a good score. These same critics, gave Spider Man 2 a better score. Since I agree with what they though about the first, I assume that they are correct about the sequal. Hence the psychic prowess.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Well it depends I guess I think critics are people and if most of them like a movie than that is a good thing. It doesn't mean that the majority of the general public will like it or it will be a huge hit. Now Spiderman did make 400 million, if that was more hype I don't know but I can't think a movie that made that much was hated. I guess we will get an idea with the box office numbers it will tell us what if the people liked the first one or not.

[Dan the Man]

Did you catch the magic word in your own post? Assume

[Garret Treborn]

Yes, I assume.

[ReaperFett]

Two weeks wait :(

[Marcus Telcontar]

Originally posted by Garret Trebor
Well, the critics gave the original Spider Man decent scores. And these are probably the same critics that are giving Spider Man 2 a good score.
And the same people buy Britney Spears records and proclaim them to be the nadir of music. The same... millions of people.

And they are completely and utterly wrong.

So, 100 odd film critics give SM2 a good score. That != a good film. See above for reason why.

[CMJ]

Originally posted by Dan the Man
I'm pretty sure that nobody cares about what critics like what movie. I've seen Roger Ebert give the Phantom Menace four stars. After my inner child died, I realized that there's something of a disconnect between critics and people who go watch movies.

Just to be fair - he gave it 3 1/2. ;)

I tend to agree with the critical consensus more often than not.

[Garret Treborn]

I just saw Spider Man 2, btw it rocked. But before I say anything how do i do spoiler tags>

[Nathanial K'cansce]

Wouldnt be hard for SM2 to be better. Because the first was absolute crap. I cant think of a more appalling over CG'ed fest in the last 5 years that rotted my mind. Bad acting, rotten plot..... ewwww, that thing stunk.

Oh oh oh! I can! Phantom Menace! :p Wizzer!

I liked the first Spiderman movie. Was it a great peice of film? heck no. But it entertained me, and that's one of the main things I looks for at a movie: entertainment.

From what's I've seen in previews, SM2 looks a lot better than the first, visually and enterain-ing-ly. And from three different groups of people whom I know in real life and normally agree with in movie reviews, they've all said it was one of the better movies of the year. Not the best movie ever, but still pretty darn good.

I want to watse my 8 bucks on it.

[ spoiler ] [ / spoiler ] <--for spoiler tags, minus space.

[Garret Treborn]

It isn't a waste. Rather, money well spent for 2 hours and 7 minutes of solid entertainment. *sighs contentedly*

[Nathanial K'cansce]

Any sort of spending of the money to a poo' college student is wasting it. :lol

[Jinn Fizz]

I wouldn't say Marcus is in a "vocal minority" about the first Spider-Man...most people I know feel like I do, that it was good, okay, watchable, but not nearly as great as other people seem to think it was.

As for critics...the vast majority of critics wet themselves over Shrek 2, but I didn't like it much at all. That just goes to show that a hugely positive Rotten Tomatoes rating doesn't equal guaranteed fun at the movies, depending on your own personal taste and opinions.

Still, I'm really looking forward to Spidey 2...can't see it until Sunday, though.

[Marcus Telcontar]

Oh oh oh! I can! Phantom Menace! Wizzer!

I lobotomised the memory banks that held the info on that movie. I'm sorry, I do not recall this TPM you speak of.

Okay, lets stop a sec. Here is a movie critcs if you read RT were actually resonably positive on at first. Heck, most of us here went delirious in some sort of mass hallucination. Time, however has shown just how wrong positive assesment of TPM was. Not long ago, I attempted to have a SW marathon. TPM I just found I could not watch, at all. One hour is all I lasted, before giving up in disgust.

The true test of how good a moive is, is time. Once the hysteria and mass stampede is over, colder minds take over and you see the film for what it really is. Oh boy, has TPM gotten foul with the passage of time.

ANH was OTOH, recieved pretty badly by critics. Well, dont they sing a different tune now!

OTOH, FOTR is aging really well and as a series, LOTR is going to be like the original Star Wars. Except LOTR had a truely awesome finish. I must marathon the lot soon. It's is also one of those genuine rare films where it's quality is so outstanding, a negative review really is a blantant flame bait. I'll admit, I wasnt really certain if I liked FOTR when i first saw it, but I was blown away by it's sheer quality. I dont have to like a film to acknowledge it's good. Now, I have no idea how many times I've seen FOTR. 50? 60? It was the sheer brilliance of it's filmmaking that sucked me in, not the fact I'm a Tolkein fanboy.

Will either Spiderman last that test? I doubt it. I never saw SM1 in a theatre, but well and truly after the hype and excitement died - and was completely underwhelmed.

I do believe my movie taste has shifted int he last few years, to the point where I actually demand soemthign mentally engaging and I can see that even what is supposed to be action flicks can have real plots and acting, CG can add to a film. Love stories dont have to make me cring. Comedy doesnt have to be crass (okay, I knew that years ago). SM doesnt meet that by some margin and frankly, after reading reviews of SM2, i have my doubts it will too. No doubt however, I will see it soon.

[CMJ]

You know I wasn't *that* big on SM the first time I saw it either. But I rewatched the thing not too long ago and couldn't believe how much better it had gotten. ;)

It went from massively overrated to underrated to me. I'll probably catch the new one in a few weeks after the crowds have died down.

[darth_mcbain]

I liked the first SM, but I thought it was just dripping with hype - it was so huge. I thought it was good, but not as good as it was hyped up to be. I'm going to see SM2 tomorrow and I'm pretty psyched - everything I've heard seems really positive about it.

[Garret Treborn]

I suppose it's because it opened on a Wednesday, but when I saw it opening day at 4pm, the theatre wasn't filled by any definition of the word.

[ReaperFett]

I love those times. You see it at the perfect time, and you're nearly alone :D

[Jedi Master Carr]

I went to a 1 show and it was half full, the odd thing I went to see Harry Potter the same time the Friday it was opened and it was more crowded. But I bet that is because it was a Friday, being a Wed a lot of people have to work usually only the Star Wars zealots skip work for movies so I don't think this means anything.

[Garret Treborn]

The estimate for day one of Spider Man 2 is 38.6 million dollars. That sets the record for the most money made on an opening day. For a Wednsday that is.

[Katina Van-Derveld]

Spider-Man 2 started off slow. Real slow. The first 30 minutes or so were real heavy-handed with the theme of Peter being unable to balance his life as Parker and as Spider-Man. Honestly, it was like the MJ scenes from the first movie all over again.

However, the plus side to this was: After the first 30 minutes, the movie levels out and is pretty enjoyable from there on out. Once you get past the beginning, the pacing of SM2 is much better than the first one. All credit to Dafoe, but Doc Ock is a much better villan than the Goblin. He was a very human character who was developed quite well.

I enjoyed the scenes where the boundaries between Peter's personal life and his life as Spider-Man began to blur. The scene with the train was really excellent.

The CG, unfortunately, isn't much better than in the first movie. He's not quite so bendy this time around, but the animation and the lighting still seem off.

Definitely worth going to see, but I'm not so sure I'd call it the best superhero movie yet. X2 is pretty stiff competition in that category.

A few side-notes: Was that blonde girl in Pete's apartment supposed to be Gwen, by any chance?

Also, the plot went in a little bit different direction than I was expecting; I seem to recall one issue in the comics where Spider-Man's powers kept flickering out. At one point, MJ is taken hostage (possibly by Doc Ock? I can't remember), and Peter still suits up to go rescue her, sans super-powers. He arrives, is promptly stomped by the villan, and unmasked. They see it's Peter, but given how easily he was trounced, they just assume that Peter dressed up as Spidey to come rescue his girlfriend. At one point, I was almost certain that they were going to go with that.

[Live Wire]

hmm well I saw it last night and I wasn't disappointed. I was also in the minority that was totaly disappointed by the first spiderman. It was watchable but in my estimation it wasn't good enough to make the money that it did. I understand there's the die hard fan base just like star wars but to me (and I love the spidey) it wasn't that good.

However I went to see the second one with higher hopes and I didn't feel left down. I agree the pacing in the beginning was a little slow but I really didn't notice very much because before long the story picked up and you got swept right along with it. The villian is better, the interpersonal relationships are much deeper than in the first one.

I don't like to hype it up for others because then they may go in and expect to much. But I would definately say it's worth the price of admission and I really enjoyed it.

[Ryan Pode]

I saw it. Wow.

I felt that the scene at the end, when MJ left Astronaught boy at the alter and was running through the park was not needed it was just cheesey. I did however, enjoy the Harry scene at the end and thought that was how it would end.

[Garret Treborn]

So right you are, Ryan.

[Ryan Pode]

What I thought would be the ending gave me the shivers then I was like ... WTF.

[Garret Treborn]

I hear ya. My mind was thinking the exact same thing. But other then that minor dislike, it was a great movie all around.

What's wrong with him being bendy? He has spider chracteristics after all.

And I liked Spider Man 2 more then X2.

[Katina Van-Derveld]

He also has a spine.

[Garret Treborn]

Yeah, and it also bends. More then usual because of increased flexibility. Due to his spiderness.

[Katina Van-Derveld]

When you see a human being on the screen, and he is moving in subtle ways that tell your brain "Hey, no human being actually moves like this", it just screams "This is fake!". It detracts from the movie viewing experience.

The penultimate goal of computer animation is to imitate life. For the most part, the quality of CG has gotten to the point where it can be difficult to distinguish from real objects; However, animations on living things still aren't quite perfect and the lighting on the computer generated object usually doesn't match its surroundings.

[Garret Treborn]

I'm more into the story and what's going on. Generally I don't pay THAT much attention to detail. Which is why I do not notice those things and it doesn't bother me.

[Ryan Pode]

I actually enjoy his bendy-twistyness.

[JMK]

Now that we've skipped all the set ups and intros, we can really get into the meat of all of Spidey's relationships, and boy does SM2 not disappoint there. It was much better than SM1 all around, and I enjoyed the first one quite a bit. Better action for sure this time around, and Molina does a good job as Doc Ock. He didn't get on my nerves once like Willem DaFoe did at times during SM1. My only complain is that I'm sick and tired of seeing the trailer for "The Village". Enough already, mix it up a little!

[Ryan Pode]

I didn't get that trailer.

I thought the way they kinda summed up the first one in the beginning with the still art was cool.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I liked X2 better, but I am more of X-Men fan that is why.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Originally posted by Ryan Pode
I didn't get that trailer.

I thought the way they kinda summed up the first one in the beginning with the still art was cool.

Agreed, the opening credits were a great way to begin the movie.

Spiderman was good, Spiderman 2 was great. It was funny (Walking on Sunshine? and the elevator!!), and a little sad (Telling Aunt May about what happened the night Ben died), the action was great (although I still am not sure how Spidey's mask got inside the train, as I'm sure he took it off outside), and it left us with a great set-up for the next movie, like X2 did. Granted, this one is much more blatant than the hints about what happened to Jean Gray, but we'll certainly be seeing the Hobgoblin in the next movie.

I just don't see how they'll use Venom in the movies, unless they do a similar set-up in the next one. There's too much to explain in that storyline to confine it to one movie... although they might be able to pull it off.

[Live Wire]

Spiderman and XMen will finally redeem the whole idea of turning comic books into movies.

And as far as his bendy-ness (which I dont think is even a word) he's a superhero which automatically means he will do things that seem unbelieveable. To me it seems silly to say wow he can climb up the side of walls but that matrix backbend on the train I just can't handle that. Suspension of reality is key especially for fantasy movies.

[Katina Van-Derveld]

Yes, he can do things which are unbelievable. But even Spider-Man can't break simple laws of physics. But I digress... I thought the CG was less than stellar but, as always, that bothers some people more than others. I was actually able to suspend my disbelief for the train thing you mentioned, LW, and it has nothing to do with what I was mentioning. I just ment his movement in general.

LD: (spoiler tagged, just because) In the cartoon series, I believe that John Jameson comes back from a trip to the moon with the costume, which then leaves him for Eddie Brock. Circumvents all of that nasty Secret Wars business. So there's already a bit of a set-up for that.

[Dasquian Belargic]

If they did include Venom in one of the future Spidey movies, that would be awesome. My only worry would be them messing up or changing how the symbiot looks, but I suppose they can do anything with CG now and a little liquid affect wouldn't be too difficult.

Looking forward to this coming out over here :)

[ReaperFett]

Easiest thing to do would be to use the Ultimate Venom origin.

Why are we tagging that? :p



Apparently, this has made the highest Wednesday gross ever.

[Garret Treborn]

Yep, the official number is 40.4 million. That beats the previous record set by Return of the King and it also beats the first Spider Man's opening day gross.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Originally posted by Katina Van-Derveld
LD: (spoiler tagged, just because) In the cartoon series, I believe that John Jameson comes back from a trip to the moon with the costume, which then leaves him for Eddie Brock. Circumvents all of that nasty Secret Wars business. So there's already a bit of a set-up for that.
Well, awesome then.

And I agree about some of the special affects, esp the very last scene where the helicopters looked like they'd been drawn in.

[darth_mcbain]

Just got back - I agree with a lot of the people here - the pacing was a bit slow for me at times, especially in the beginning. I also did not like how Spiderman could just fall from hundred of feet up and just get up and walk away (ok - he did limp a bit). I know a certain suspension of reality is key in these movies, but where he's basically falling from the height of a skyscraper and lands on his butt and can still just walk away... I don't know... But that said, I did quite enjoy the movie. I loved Doctor Octopus - really cool villian, and I liked the chemistry that he and Peter Parker had in the beginning before the accident. The parts with Aunt May and Peter I thought were really good too. And the scene in the elevator - good stuff... :lol Good action, good story - this one might be worth a repeat watch.

Oh, and did anyone else seem to think there were way too many cheesy women screaming a la old 50s B-grade horror movies? I actually found them kinda funny, but I did start to notice them after a while and seem to think there sure were a lot of them.

[Ryan Pode]

Yes, I noticed that too. I was ... Sheesh, every woman in New York has a set of lungs.

[TheHolo.Net]

I liked SM2 much better than the first, and by much I mean by Spidey sized leaps and bounds, but it was still missing a key component of what I would consider a great Spidey story. We need to see and hear a wisecracking and quick witted Spidey when he's fighting the bad guys. Spidey's dialogue is severely lacking in that department.

But this film is now right up there in my top 3 Superhero/Marvel Films, which are rounded out by X2: X-Men United and Daredevil. I thought Daredevil was a better film than SM1, but it has now been toppled by SM2 on my list.

My thoughts on what we are likely to see in SM3 are as follows (spoil tagged because there are some spoilers from SM2 and also comic spoilers that those who don't read the comics may not want to know):

The main villain will be the Green Goblin (2) with Harry filling his father’s shoes. I suspect there will also be some development of Dr. Connors (Pete’s Professor) becoming the Lizard, but I doubt he’ll be used as a villain yet though its slightly possible. I have heard that they intend to keep the SM movies confined to a single villain per movie, but I don’t think that means they can’t start setting the stage for other villain(s). Which is proven as viable by SM2 and the set up for Green Goblin 2 near the end as well as actually getting to see Dr. Connors rather than just hearing his name like we did in SM1.

It is also possible that we may see some preliminary character development for Venom. Eddie Brock’s introduction as a character, and John Jameson possibly/unknowingly bringing something strange back from the moon, but I really doubt we’ll see him come to fruition as an actual character we can see with our own eyes until SM4 or so.

Its possible they may make John Jameson become Venom, but they have tried to stay semi close to the comics thus far so I do think Eddie Brock will start to be fleshed out soon. And as for Venom’s origin, I really think they’ll go with the Spider Man animated series Venom origin rather than the comic origin since the comic origin is so far fetched and involved that it couldn’t be done on screen and bought as plausible whatsoever by the general movie going public.

And also, look for a Fantatic Four guest appearance in a Spidey movie (at least Reed Richards) if they do go ahead with a Venom story. ;)

P.S. It is very highly doubtful Harry will take the moniker Hobgoblin. Hobby in the comics is not and never was an Osborne. Harry keeps his Dad’s villain name and outfit. Though I really hope they redo his villain outfit as that was one of the things I disliked about SM1.

[Katina Van-Derveld]

I dunno, I was kind of thinking (hoping) that Harry wouldn't be the main villan for the next movie. It'd be kind of boring, IMO, to go over the same ground again. I think they might have some different focus for the movie, other than "Green Goblin shows up, Spider-Man defeats him". Keep that whole aspect as a subplot, in the background or something.

[TheHolo.Net]

It is possible it could take a back seat to Connors becoming the Lizard, and maybe even some preliminary development for Brock and the symbiote Spidey suit finding its way onto Spidey's back.

I see Venom as a possible future stoyline being pretty possible since they have already introduced John Jameson and he fits with the animated series Venom Origin, but I haven't seen any hints at other mainstay Spidey villians yet, like Electro, Mysterio, Sandman, Rhino, Kraven etc, though I could have missed them. The Venom story does need a lot of set up to work right.

I do fully expect to see Lizard in SM3 in some capacity though. They have hinted at it (The Lizard) in both of the preceeding films. Connors' name being mentioned in SM1 as one of Pete's employers, and now being introduced as an actual character in SM2 minus an arm just as he should be.

Edit: Its really hard to call what the main plot of SM3 will be though. Harry as Green Goblin (2) is a very different dynamic than Norman as Green Goblin, and it could easily give the film more depth and be far more interesting than SM1 was. It is also possible that Green Goblin 2 could be scrapped in favor of Harry pumping someone up (guinea pig) with the super soldier enhancer and that person becoming Hobgoblin, though I am almost positive that Hobby didn't come into the picture in the comics until after GG1 and GG2 were both gone.

[Katina Van-Derveld]

Originally posted by SWFans.Net
It is possible it could take a back seat to Connors becoming the Lizard, and maybe even some preliminary development for Brock and the symbiote Spidey suit finding its way onto Spidey's back. That's what I was thinking. Even though Harry as the Green Goblin could be very different from his father, especially since he knows that Spider-Man's secret identity, I still think it would kind of boring, from a movie perspective, to go back to him so soon. At the very least, I hope they give him more of a classic GG costume.

Spidey's roster of villans is pretty lame, overall. :\ Scorpion, Vulture, Rhino, Electro... none of them seem like they'd be very good for a movie. I know some people don't want to see Venom in the movies, but I definitely think that he'd be more interesting than any of the rest. Especially if they choose to play up the fact that he thinks he's defending the innocent and just doing what Spidey doesn't have the guts to do.

A shame that they won't do any Kingpin crossovers, since Daredevil was put out by someone else.

Oooh, I just had an idea: What if the next movie had Harry not become the Green Goblin, per se. I doubt they'll do it, but Harry could hire Mysterio to start messing with Peter's head.

[TheHolo.Net]

Originally posted by Katina Van-Derveld
Oooh, I just had an idea: What if the next movie had Harry not become the Green Goblin, per se. I doubt they'll do it, but Harry could hire Mysterio to start messing with Peter's head. Very plausable.

Since Harry knows Pete is Spidey, there are bound to be some serious mind games happening no matter how they do the main villian.

One other thing to mention, it is going to be very difficult to top Doc Oc as a villian, Doc Oc was absolutely fantastic. At least that is my opinion.

[Garret Treborn]

Can someone please outline the whole Venom/Eddie Brock/Spider-Man thing. I never read any of the comics so I'm not sure how all of this fits into place.

[TheHolo.Net]

Originally posted by Garret Trebor
Can someone please outline the whole Venom/Eddie Brock/Spider-Man thing. I never read any of the comics so I'm not sure how all of this fits into place. This link has some big time comic spoilers, which could become movie spoilers eventually. Follow at your own risk.

http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/venom.html

[Dan the Man]

I don't really like Spiderman, but I have to say that Spidey 2 is the best superhero movie, with the exception of X-Men 2 and the original Batman.

Wow. I'm so glad they finally let Sam Raimi go at the movie like a kid writing on the walls with crayons. I haven't seen him put his *mark* on a film since the Quick and the Dead.

This is a fantastic movie, and I highly recommend it.

[Jinn Fizz]

I enjoyed the first Spider-Man movie, but I thought it was highly overrated. Spider-Man 2, however, totally lives up to the hype and is a far better movie. I loved it and wouldn't mind seeing it at least one more time.

My only complaint is that the final scene with Mary Jane leaving her fiance at the altar and showing up at Peter's apartment at the end did feel like it was tacked on at the last minute. The dialogue during that scene was very trite and cliched--the emotion was there, but the dialogue was way too flat. It would have been better if it had ended with Harry discovering all of the Green Goblin equipment behind the mirror. That would have been a terrific cliffhanger ending.

But if that's my only complaint, eh, so be it. So I rate it a 9.5 instead of a 10. Whatever. It's still the best movie I've seen this summer, and I'm already looking forward to Spider-Man 3. :)

[Sejah Haversh]

Good golly, the Alex Ross art in the beginning was great! I love his style, and how easily you can pick it out nad say, "Hey, that's Ross's work!"

I had a good time at the movies with this one, even despite the moth that kept flying in front of the projector. Sure, some spots pulled the suspension of disbeielf to a strain, btu overall I quite enjoyed the film. Great look into the depth of character, and the elevator scene with Hal Sparks was a laugh riot. I still like X2 better, but I feel SM2 passed SM1 in its executuion, and portrayal of a villain. And that's a hard feat to do.

But, still, I absolutely love the way Marvel does their opening credits.

[Jinn Fizz]

Anyone here seen the Lego Spidey 2 film yet? It's a gem!

http://movies.yahoo.com/movies/feature/spiderman2.html

[Master Yoghurt]

Unbelievable. I never thought it would, but spiderman II just replaced the first Superman & Batman as favorite superhero movies.. by leaps and bounds.

I like many others was underwhelmed by certain aspects of the first movie (I felt it became an action oriented CGI fest with too little focus on real content.. story and characters), but this one more than makes up for it. Its funny, exciting and it keeps you at the edge of the seat. Like a maelstrom, it pulls you in, and you cant escape! Its something as rare as a sequel much better than the original.

Go see it! Now! Its the hit of the year! :D

.. and I am going to see it again! (the last time that happened was ROTK..)

[Cyrel Annat]

Well, my fiance and I just got back from seeing this movie and unlike just about everyone else here, I didn't think it was better than the first one. Was it a good movie? Yes. But I felt that they drug out the self-doubt portion for way too long, and most of the action was seen in the trailers. Perhaps it was all the hype leading up to it that I didn't feel was justified after seeing it.

Doc Ock was good, and the foreshadowing of Harry finding his father's Goblin stash does leave much anticipation for future movies. Granted, the self-doubt was needed, but I felt that it took away a bit from the actual movie due to its length. The action scenes were great, but the movie as a whole still left me rather iffy. I imagine that my opinion may change with another viewing, though that will wait until DVD.

Also, and I may have missed this earlier in the thread that I just skimmed through, but did anyone else recognize the doorman at the theater?

[Katina Van-Derveld]

Originally posted by Cyrel Annat
Also, and I may have missed this earlier in the thread that I just skimmed through, but did anyone else recognize the doorman at the theater? Bruce Campbell. Wrestling Announcer in the first movie, most famous for his role in the Evil Dead/Army of Darkness flicks. He's a good friend of the director.

[CMJ]

I finally saw it - and was blown the hell away. I never ever thought a superhero movie would best Tim Burton's Batman. But this one sure as hell did.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I still think X2 is the best Comic book film, but I think that is my biased as I am more of a X-Men fan.

[CMJ]

The only superhero comic I ever was really into was Batman. I did read the G.I. Joe comic pretty religiously in my formative years(around the same time the toys and TV show were really popular). But honestly, I wasn't a huge comic book reader as a kid.

I think myself pretty unbiased.

[JMK]

I was into all that stuff as a kid, so I'm biased, but biased to everyone! :)

[Jedi Master Carr]

Well my favs are Batman, Fantastic Four, X-Men, Spiderman and Captain America. I thought X2 captured X-men the best of all the movies, but that is just me. Spiderman 2 is defintely a close second, I have a feeling though if the next Batman movie turns out as good as the way it is sounding that will be my favorite, I am always been slightly partial to Batman.

[Dasquian Belargic]

WOW. What a movie. I loved it! But what were they thinking, letting Mary Jane see that Peter is Spiderman!? They could have milked that whole situation a loooot longer. Can't wait for the next installment, and to see if there is any progression on the Doctor Connors story :D

[Droo]

I think I'd have gone crazy with the whole Mary-Jane/Peter Parker sexual tension fiasco had it spilled out into even the third film. Even in the sequel, some of those scenes felt like retreads of old ground covered in the first film. We have had enough of that with Lois and Clark and I think this revelation will be very liberating for the characters now.

Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy their scenes together, I wouldn't say they have what is known as screen chemistry together but their acting skills more than make up for it.