Dead to Rights II

[Garret Treborn]

Come on, who else thinks this game will own? The first was awesome.

[Travis North]

It will. The first one was good. I'm still stuck with this one part on chapter 13.

I can't seem to beat Pinnacle. I've choked him a few times but it's so hard to tell, when his cigar gets hotter, that he will do his four punches or get his choke hold on me. It's insane button mashing.

[Drake Shadowstalker]

That part took me a couple times. The difficulty was on about the middle. Just gotta keep dodging him and choking him.

[Katina Van-Derveld]

I thought Dead to Rights was a generic rip off of Max Payne. :|

[Dan the Man]

Originally posted by Katina Van-Derveld
I thought Dead to Rights was a generic rip off of Max Payne. :|

All the eye candy, none of the style. A tale told by an idiot, full of sound & fury; signifying nothing.

[Kelt Simoson]

Originally posted by Dan the Man
All the eye candy, none of the style. A tale told by an idiot, full of sound & fury; signifying nothing.

I agree wholeheartidly. One thing me and Charley like is Max Payne and this basicly is a rip off of the soon to be trilogy.

http://bonusweb.idnes.cz/obrazek/ps2deadtorights_02m.jpg

^^That is such a Max Payne pose its not even funny.

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2003/pc/maxpayne2/0812/maxpayne_screen001.jpg

[Garret Treborn]

Except for one thing. That screenshot is from Max Payne II. Dead to Rights was made before MPII, so that would mean MPII ripped the pose off of DTR. But I don't think anyone is ripping off anything. A person diving while shooting guns...not exactly original. Whether it be movies or games its been done before.

Any game is a rip off of another game...geez...
Unless someone is trying to be totally original, then the game sucks so it doesn't matter.

Dead to Rights is better then Max Payne anyway.

[Katina Van-Derveld]

:lol :lol :lol

[Travis North]

Dead to Rights has mini-game type things plus you get an attack dog. You can't go wrong with an attack dog that can sniff bombs and kill guys while you run for cover, plus the dog brings back a gun for you.

[imported_L'Vek Darkivven]

Dead to Rights, Max Payne. It's all good aslong as you get to go into bullet time and kill multiple enemies at once.

[Marcus Telcontar]

Unless someone is trying to be totally original, then the game sucks so it doesn't matter.

What?

[Charley]

Originally posted by Garret Trebor
Except for one thing. That screenshot is from Max Payne II. Dead to Rights was made before MPII, so that would mean MPII ripped the pose off of DTR. But I don't think anyone is ripping off anything. A person diving while shooting guns...not exactly original. Whether it be movies or games its been done before.

Any game is a rip off of another game...geez...
Unless someone is trying to be totally original, then the game sucks so it doesn't matter.

Dead to Rights is better then Max Payne anyway.

Uh, Max Payne pretty much invented the whole "Bullet Time" genre of shooter games.

And the graphics and engine are barely a third of what makes Max Payne a superior game. MP has atmosphere. Dead to Rights is typical tripe from an action movie garbage disposal.

The beauty of Max Payne is that it breathed life into a genre of entertainment that had become an anachronism. Cop Noir is the stuff of old Mickey Spillane novels, or the old black & white gumshoe flicks. The fact that they can create a game that transfers this kind of gritty inner monologue into a modern setting says INFINITELY more about the Max Payne series. Its far more than bullet time, and gimmicky effects.

If you don't believe me, where else can you pass off a corker like "Sometimes Lady Luck's a hooker, and you're fresh out of cash."?

That's just classy :cool, and its also what Dead to Rights lacks

[Morgan Evanar]

Originally posted by Garret Trebor
Except for one thing. That screenshot is from Max Payne II. Dead to Rights was made before MPII, so that would mean MPII ripped the pose off of DTR. Negative Ghostrider, the pattern is full. Max Payne one had many similiar screenshots to Max Payne 2.

But I don't think anyone is ripping off anything. A person diving while shooting guns...not exactly original. Whether it be movies or games its been done before. Then why did you just say that MP2 was ripping off Dead to Rights?


Any game is a rip off of another game...geez... Please find a game with many of the elements of Max Payne 1 before Max Payne 1 came out.

Oh wait, they don't exist.


Unless someone is trying to be totally original, then the game sucks so it doesn't matter. Errm, Blizzard, the master of taking a concept and polishing until gleaming shine disagrees.

Dead to Rights is better then Max Payne anyway. Completely unsubstatiated opinion. Why?

[Kelt Simoson]

Originally posted by Garret Trebor
Except for one thing. That screenshot is from Max Payne II. Dead to Rights was made before MPII, so that would mean MPII ripped the pose off of DTR. But I don't think anyone is ripping off anything. A person diving while shooting guns...not exactly original. Whether it be movies or games its been done before.

Any game is a rip off of another game...geez...
Unless someone is trying to be totally original, then the game sucks so it doesn't matter.

Dead to Rights is better then Max Payne anyway.

Aye, Max Payne II was made after dtr but Max Payne one has a similer sort of screenshot somewhere along the lines also which i can accuire for you if you wish, your arguement in quite trivial concidering nearly every screenshot on google with MP I and MP II have Payne diving in bullit time. Go look for yourself.

I've played both. And i agree totally on what Charley up there says. MP I and II have a certain quality that most shoot em' ups lack, story and the will to create a atmosphere that presents more than just shooting the hell out of people in the effort to kill everyone. Like the big man said cop noir

[Garret Treborn]

Originally posted by Charley

And the graphics and engine are barely a third of what makes Max Payne a superior game. MP has atmosphere. Dead to Rights is typical tripe from an action movie garbage disposal.



Comparing games by the quality of their graphics is stupid IMO. Chrono Trigger is probably the best game to be ever made and...need I say more?

[Garret Treborn]

BTW, thanks for making me sound stupid. :lol

[Dan the Man]

Originally posted by Garret Trebor
Comparing games by the quality of their graphics is stupid IMO. Chrono Trigger is probably the best game to be ever made and...need I say more?

Did you actually read the rest of my post?

[Garret Treborn]

I did, but you should have left out the comparing of graphics.

[Dan the Man]

Originally posted by Garret Trebor
I did, but you should have left out the comparing of graphics.

Let me underline this for you, since you didn't read between the lines.

Graphics are a relatively insignificant reason for Max Payne's greatness. Nice, but when compared to gameplay (which MP innovated) and the story, style, dialogue (as I said clearly enough), its more than adequate to carry its own weight.

I only brought up graphics because Dead to Rights is one of those "sound & fury" games with a lot of glitter and not much else. There isn't anything to differentiate it and make it memorable.

[Marcus Telcontar]

Originally posted by Garret Trebor
Comparing games by the quality of their graphics is stupid IMO. Chrono Trigger is probably the best game to be ever made and...need I say more?

Yes, you do. When someone says "Need I say more... " what your sayign is an unsubstantisiated opinion, not backed up with real evidence. Provide it why this Chrono Trigger is going to be the best gamer ever. Somehow, I very much doubt that, but if you provide decent evfidence, maybe we can be convinced.

Somehow, I do not think this will be the case. But try anyway.

[Garret Treborn]

Have you never heard of Chrono Trigger?

[Dan the Man]

Originally posted by Garret Trebor
Have you never heard of Chrono Trigger?

Yes; don't care.

The issue is Max Payne vs Dead to Rights. There's no room for non sequitur here.

[Marcus Telcontar]

Originally posted by Garret Trebor
Have you never heard of Chrono Trigger?

No. And so far, I cant say I've been able to muster up a care factor either.

[Garret Treborn]

I'm sorry. I must be the only one to ever bring a thread off topic. I beseech myself before you and beg for forgiveness.

Chrono Trigger was made by Squaresoft for the SNES a good while ago. It is a general consensus among hard core gamers, that it is indeed one of the greatest games of all time.

[Dan the Man]

Originally posted by Garret Trebor
I'm sorry. I must be the only one to ever bring a thread off topic. I beseech myself before you and beg for forgiveness.

Please to be subscribing to this pointless forum drama.

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[Kelt Simoson]

Like charley said, MP series is not all about the graphics, the story itself along with its dialog and origial plot make the diffrence, let it be known however that that graphics do rock and that MP was the original bullit time gang.

It dont matter now who picks up the bullit time franchice its a rip off of MP. If i went out right now and made a game with Bullit Time in it, i'd be getting the overall idea from MP, did you see it before MP? No. Do you now see it? Hell yes.

In the end dtr got the idea from the max payn intro of BT, and if you can find any dtr game, Mr.Trebor, that has bullit time before MP i shall apologise.

[Garret Treborn]

I never said there was bullet time before Max Payne, so your last statement is ridiculous.

And what system did you play Max Payne for? Because the graphics on the PS2 version are anything but good..

[Dan the Man]

Originally posted by Garret Trebor
And what system did you play Max Payne for? Because the graphics on the PS2 version are anything but good..

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You act like there is such a thing as "good graphics" on a PS2.

[Garret Treborn]

PS2 has better graphical potential then the Game Cube, IMO... X-Box has the most potential but they seldom use it.

[Dan the Man]

When it comes to graphics, its more like:

PC > X-Box > Gamecube > Macintosh > A donkey and an etch a sketch > PS2

How can you say PS2 graphics are good and keep a straight face? Have you not seen the jaggies?

[Garret Treborn]

Meh, it matters not. PS2 has the most good games out of all 3 of the popular consoles, graphics not withstanding. IMO, of course.

[Dan the Man]

No they don't.

Most of their games are the cliche', asinine Jappo ^___^ keke filler.

If you subtract those, you have maybe a few good RPG's, and not-so-good FPS's.

[Morgan Evanar]

Originally posted by Garret Trebor
PS2 has better graphical potential then the Game Cube, IMO... X-Box has the most potential but they seldom use it. You must be playing a completely different set of games. So different that it must be in an alternate dimension.

It is an acknowledged fact that the PS2's graphics chip is far less capable then the ones present in the X-Box or Gamecube. This is not up for debate, this is fact. The PS2 version of games usually has much lower resolution textures than the X-Box or Gamecube. The output resolution is always lower than the X-Box or Cube, by virture of less proccessing power (for pixel fill) and memory (which hamstrings its geometric proccessing advantages) http://www.ps2home.co.uk/specifications_of_xbox.htm . Further, it is horribly innaccurate as a renderer.
PS2 has better graphical potential then the Game Cube, IMO So no, it doesn't.

[Garret Treborn]

Me thinks it's a good time for me to be quiet =)

But PS3, will be the best =D Completely unsubstantiated, of course. Just thought I would throw that in though.

[Marcus Telcontar]

Originally posted by Garret Trebor

But PS3, will be the best =D Completely unsubstantiated, of course. Just thought I would throw that in though.

ALERT! PS-Fanboy!

[Kelt Simoson]

Originally posted by Garret Trebor
Me thinks it's a good time for me to be quiet =)

But PS3, will be the best =D Completely unsubstantiated, of course. Just thought I would throw that in though.

I must say i'm seriously starting to doubt your experience with vidio games and game technology in general.

[Dasquian Belargic]

But PS3, will be the best =D Completely unsubstantiated, of course. Just thought I would throw that in though.

For some reason, I imagine things will happen much the way they always do with new console releases. The PS3 will be pushed for a Christmas release, months before its opposition is released. Lots of people will buy it up, and then competitors will release their consoles. PS3 prices will plummet. From what I can remember, Sony are loosing the contract to Final Fantasy / Square, with Nintendo taking the reigns on the series once again. I think that will be a pretty big blow.

[Garret Treborn]

Naw, Square will develop a new series that will kick even more butt. =)

[Charley]

Originally posted by Garret Trebor
Naw, Square will develop a new series that will kick even more butt. =)

:lol moreso than Final Fantasy?

The chances of this happening are astronomically low. Final Fantasy is one of the most profitable video game series in history. I seriously doubt that Squaresoft could ever get lightning to strike twice, especially when you consider that other gaming shops are beginning to trump them in the RPG genre.

[Garret Treborn]

I'm trying to be optimistic here. I recognize that the odds of Squere Enix developing another series of games equivalent to Final Fantasy are low. However, they are going to have to try something.

[Dasquian Belargic]

Square Enix are working with both Sony and Nintendo, making at least 3 titles devoted to the N console alone (although they will be making title only for the Sony console too, there just isn't anything set in stone about that yet) - so it's not as if the Sony console will be the only one to benefit. Regardless of that, I don't see them ever topping Final Fantasy.

[TheHolo.Net]

Originally posted by Dasquian Belargic
I don't see them ever topping Final Fantasy. Quoted for great truth. FF as a game series has a history spanning well over 10 years, much of that span during video gaming's infancy. Topping that all of the sudden isn't really possible.

[Pierce Tondry]

I'm very inclined to agree on that. FF2 (US) was a fantastic game for the time period it was released in, and it raised the bar for other RPGs. FF3 (US) was a brilliantly successful followup. Those two games were legendary in and of themselves (so much so that they are desirably playable even today, if a gamer is feeling nostalgic) but the FF releases for the PS were, if not great, at least very solid, thus satisfying the desires of those who had developed brand loyalty to the series.

[Garret Treborn]

Yeah, I really liked Final Fantasy IX. I've only played 7,8,9,10,10-2,and 11 though. 10 is my favorite and then 9 is a close second.

[Dasquian Belargic]

I didn't really enjoy IX all that much. As much as I appreciate the fact that it was trying to go back to the roots of Final Fantasy, I really didn't like being able to have only a single person cast a certain time of magic, e.g. not everyone could heal, or whatever. Materia and Junctioning were much better. Then again, I am a FFVII/VIII fangirl so ^_^;