looking for a mentor (saber form IV)

[Azhure Darkstone]

I have a master (I'm not giving up on you Nav dude), but I'm also going to ask a few ppl to teach my things at the same time to get a few skills going.

Does anyone teach saber fighting form IV?

[Ace McCloud]

Well...I use it. Though I'm not qualified to teach you and don't think I could.......Yea....I'm sure this info helps. GL :)

[Azhure Darkstone]

would you attempt it?

[Dasquian Belargic]

Dasquian uses a mixture of III and IV, so :)

[Azhure Darkstone]

If he can teach IV that would be very welcome. Or whatever he's willing to teach besides that is also welcome lol.

[Ace McCloud]

Personally I'd be happy, but as for Ace, thats another story. But either way i think it's best left up to Das.

[Rognan Dar]

What is sabre fighting III and IV? I have never heard of this...

[Figrin D'an]

There are seven forms that are generally followed in lightsabre training. Each is a bit different from the others. Most generally pick one style upon which to focus, but some use blends of two different styles. Some high level masters know multiple forms.

Here's a decent summary of the forms:

http://jediarchives.bejedi.com/index.php?c=fighting_styles

[Rognan Dar]

Very interesting I must say. Though, having just run through them, dont quite understand all of them. Mostly the ones over IV. Lol.

I will have to look into it more and see which one is more of Rog's still.

But I have a question: It says that form I is taught to all the padawans, right? So that means that everyone that has any training with a sabre at lest knows that form, correct?

[Figrin D'an]

Correct. Form I is the basics, and it is the basis upon which the other forms are built.

Form II: Some fencing tendancies. Good for combat against other lightsabre wielders. The epitome of this style is Count Dooku. Form II masters are very difficult to best in single combat.

Form III: Ultimate defense. Great for blocking blaster bolts and guarding against lightsabre attacks. Form III masters are almost unbeatable. The drawback is that the form doesn't include a lot of attacking manuevers, so they can't effectively defeat more skilled opponents. Obi-Wan becomes a pracitioner of this form (Episode IV).

Form IV: Very Acrobatic. Uses jumps, flips and twists with fast strikes, and links multiple moves together in sequence. Focus is on speed and agility. Form IV practioners included Qui-Gon and Yoda.

Form V: Takes defensive techniques from Form III, and uses them to turn defense into offense. Attacks are broad and powerful, focusing on strength, and overpowering an opponent. Anakin/Vader used this form.

Form VI: The "little-bit-of-everything" form. It teaches some of the more simple techniques from the various styles, giving the student a fairly well-rounded base. It's easier to learn, and takes less time to master than the other forms. For this reason, it's often called "The Diplomat's Form." It allows Jedi who wish to master other skills (diplomacy, healing, advanced Force powers, etc) to have the time to do so, yet still be able to wield a sabre in battle if necessary. The form is considered weaker than the other forms, however, because it doesn't teach advanced skills.

Form VII: The most demanding of all the forms. It has the power of Form V, the speed of Form IV, and is almost unpredictable in battle. It's nearly impossible to defend against a Form VII master, because their movements follow no pattern, and their attacks seem random. Form VII requires intense training and focus, and draws upon an inner intensity that skims the Dark Side. For that reason, not many learn this form, and those who do find it their nearly singular focus in terms of Jedi skills. Mace Windu was the co-founder of this form.



The basic path in lightsabre training is pretty simple.

Begin with Form I (everyone learns this).

Once Form I is completed, students move onto one of the other forms (II-VII). If lightsabre combat isn't something a student wants to really focus on, they'll take Form VI. If they want to become a sabre specialist, they'll choose one of Forms II, III, IV, V, or VII. Some more experienced Jedi later choose to learn more than one of the advanced forms.



Hope that clears things up a little.

[imported_J'ktal Anajii]

As an aside note, I have no idea what forms Sejah and J'ktal follow.

Sejah is close to standard fencing in his base, but is a master swordsman. Though he has learned new tricks with the lightsaber and Force skills. J'ktal is actually better than Sejah, but he lacks the visual passion in a match, and seems more methodical.

Anybody have any ideas as to what forms I can call those?

[Figrin D'an]

I dunno if you really have to match those up with a given form, since it's pretty clear that both Sejah and J'ktal learned most of their skills from the swordplay techniques of their homeworld. There would undoubtedly be differences between those styles and the forms that the Jedi have developed and taught their students. So... I suppose if you just want to leave it at that, it seems perfectly acceptible to me. Then, perhaps Sejah and J'ktal have learned some of the techniques associated with a given form to add to what they already know.

[Zeke]

More question: Do we HAVE to positively ID our fighting styles with a form? I never gave any of this a single thought with Zeke. He just...sorta...fights. :\

[Ace McCloud]

Originally posted by Figrin D'an
I dunno if you really have to match those up with a given form, since it's pretty clear that both Sejah and J'ktal learned most of their skills from the swordplay techniques of their homeworld.

The problem with that is that sword fighting is alot different from lightsaber fighting. When the Jedi were first founded, or whatever, they used short swords and long swords and such. But after the lightsaber was invented, they soon learned that basic sword fighting techniques were not all that great with a lightsaber, and it was capable of alot more. Thats where the forms come in. They made them specifically for lightsabers. But thats not to say that you can't be very effective with a sword style of combat.

[Figrin D'an]

Originally posted by Ace McCloud
The problem with that is that sword fighting is alot different from lightsaber fighting. When the Jedi were first founded, or whatever, they used short swords and long swords and such. But after the lightsaber was invented, they soon learned that basic sword fighting techniques were not all that great with a lightsaber, and it was capable of alot more. Thats where the forms come in. They made them specifically for lightsabers. But thats not to say that you can't be very effective with a sword style of combat.


That's not the implication of the statement. The point is that the characters in question have swordplay skills that don't necessarily match up with the listed forms, and because of that, should not be identified as one of said forms. That's it.

Besides, it's not so different that a highly skilled swordsman would not be able to handle one with reasonable success, particularly one with latent Force ability. The main difference is weight. Basic technique is similar in many ways.



Originally posted by Zeke
More question: Do we HAVE to positively ID our fighting styles with a form? I never gave any of this a single thought with Zeke. He just...sorta...fights. :\

No. It's mearly a way for people who wish to mold their character in a given way to have a way to describe what their character can do with a lightsabre. You don't have to use this system to describe how your character fights.

[Ace McCloud]

Originally posted by Figrin D'an
That's not the implication of the statement. The point is that the characters in question have swordplay skills that don't necessarily match up with the listed forms, and because of that, should not be identified as one of said forms. That's it.

Besides, it's not so different that a highly skilled swordsman would not be able to handle one with reasonable success, particularly one with latent Force ability. The main difference is weight. Basic technique is similar in many ways.


Right. Well, I was merely stating what I knew about sword vs lightsaber technique. But right, you could learn the lightsaber through handling a sword. I agree in all aspects.

[Rognan Dar]

Thanks Firgin, it did help to clear things up. And now it gives me a new way on how I could develope my character. :)

[Azhure Darkstone]

Das, would you be able to teach me then?