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Miryan no Trunks
Jan 12th, 2004, 01:42:07 AM
New York -- Pit bull terriers are being "rebranded" across the U.S. in an effort to relaunch them as family-friendly dogs instead of fearsome fighting dogs.

The plan was devised by Ed Boks, the director of New Yorks's pound, after he learned that 6,000 of the abandoned or confiscated terriers were put down in the city last year.

Boks, who arrived in New York last month from a similar job in Arizona, believes most pit bulls are "misunderstood" and decided that marketing was the answer to to problem. Last week, the pound - officially known as the City Animal Care and Control Agency - declared that pit bulls would henceforth be known as New Yorkies.

"I figured that we need to do a little marketing here, however wacky the idea, and rebrand this dog." Boks explained.

His plan initially faltered when the new name was greeted with howls of protest from human New Yorkers - and the owners of Yorkshire Terriers, known commonly as Yorkies. The agency has now asked the public for suggestions for a new name, with front-runners including Yankee terrier, and Patriot terrier.

Last year, only 460 of 6,300 pit bulls were reclaimed or retrieved from the pound. The others were put down in "an appalling slaughter," Boks said.

"The only solution is to persuade people to adopt them, and people are wary of adopting a 'pit bull' - with all that the name implies."

Pit bull terriers were banned in Britain under the Dangerous Dogs Act of 1991 following a series of attacks there. Imports and breeding were outlawed and dogs already in the country had to be registered, neutered, marked with a tattoo and fitted with a microchip.

First imported to America at the end of the 19th century, pit bulls because the dog of choice amongst U.S. drug dealers in the 1980's.

In New York, the are the fourth most popular breed, after labradores, alsatians, and shih tzus. They are also responsible for the second greatest number of bites, after alsatians.

Bernadette Peters, a popular Broadway musical actress, owns a pit bull named Stella, who has shown no signs of aggression.

Peters believes that a name change could rescue the breed, and that "with a different name, maybe the guys who train them to be macho won't want them anymore."

But Keith Galley, a 37-year-old doorman for a Park Avenue apartment building, expressed doubt about the renaming excersize, as he walked Jade, his three-year-old, 30-kilogram terrier in Central Park:

"It will only last until the next time that there is a big story over a bite."

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The sheer stupidity to think that giving a dog a different name will make it's nature less vicious... It's not the name Pit bull that stops people from wanting to raise the breed, it's the fact that someone can Have a pit bull for 12 years, without the slightest sign of aggression, and have it randomly one day decide to attack them and tear their throat out..

"Hmm... Maybe if we rename poison ivy to patriot ivy, it'll stop hurting people and they'll want to grow it at home..

CrimsonDiablo
Jan 12th, 2004, 02:42:58 AM
lol - Do they REALLY think that will work?

A Rose By Any Other Name Would Smell As Sweet

A Dog By Any Other Name Would Bite Just As Hard

Darth Viscera
Jan 12th, 2004, 03:50:09 AM
Patriot ivy? I'll take a crate. Gimme some emancipation oak too, I have plans for this stuff.

Marcus Telcontar
Jan 12th, 2004, 05:36:10 AM
PIT BULLS ARE MISUNDERSTOOD???????

They're a dog bred for killing pigs! WTF? This man is a complete idiot! There is no damn reason to have such a dog in suburbia.

Miryan no Trunks
Jan 12th, 2004, 06:24:41 AM
I must say, I do find it interesting that they're trying to rename a breed of dog that was only imported to the USA just over 100 years ago, "New Yorkie," "Yankee Terrier," "Patriot Terrier" and the likes.

Wonder what Freedom Stewart would have to say about that[/bad, stupid joke]

Dasquian Belargic
Jan 12th, 2004, 07:22:49 AM
I saw this in a local paper last week. New Yorkie = stupid :|

ReaperFett
Jan 12th, 2004, 07:31:23 AM
So what happens when someone buys a normal Yorkie, new. COnfusion reigns!

Charley
Jan 12th, 2004, 10:23:25 AM
Originally posted by Marcus Elessar
PIT BULLS ARE MISUNDERSTOOD???????

They're a dog bred for killing pigs! WTF? This man is a complete idiot! There is no damn reason to have such a dog in suburbia.

Fortunately it isn't up to you, then.

My friend's got a pair of them, and they're extremely friendly.

Loklorien s'Ilancy
Jan 12th, 2004, 10:43:42 AM
i tedn to agree with charley on this, but i think there are also alot of things that come into play regarding the issue. disposition being one. also, training is really important. some dogs are just docile and gentle because of how they are in the head - not by breed. am i saying that that goes for every single dog of a specific breed? nope. just some. when i was a baby, my parents used to have a german shephard - biggest dog in the world, i swear. but, he wouldnt hurt a thing, and they let me around him all the time. ive got the pictures to prove it, too.

people just need to exercise common sense in choosing a dog - not what would be the 'cool thing to have'. look at the situation and choose the appropriate animal. you wouldnt buy a great dane to keep you company in your studio apartment, would you?

and as far as the new name. pit bull just sounds way cooler

Charley
Jan 12th, 2004, 11:18:59 AM
Actually, I would.

When I get my own place, I'm going to want a big, enormous dog, because I love them a billion times more than little dogs.

My hit list:

Husky
Akita
German Shepherd
Golden Retriever (mine is adorable)
Great Dane
Bull Mastiff

How they act is pretty directly proportional to how you raise them. I've seen "nice" breeds be total jerks, because the owner made them neurotic. I've also seen dobies (which are supposedly mean) be so friendly that they follow you everywhere and cry when you leave.

Dasquian Belargic
Jan 12th, 2004, 11:22:28 AM
Husky = the best! I love them. Retrievers are just big softies too :)

Charley
Jan 12th, 2004, 11:35:23 AM
Abby is one of the best dogs I've ever seen. I'd recommend a Golden Retriever to anybody. She's smart (sometimes - she has blonde moments), extremely friendly, and she won't hurt a fly (though she will eat things like sticks, rocks, deck boards, cactuses, trampolines, etc). She shakes your hand on command, sits, lays down, stays, goes, etc. She won't run off when let outside, and actually stays within the boundaries of our front yard.

Sure, she drools and poops more than little dogs, but thats because she's bigger, and she also sheds like its going out of style, but that's a side effect I can deal with. She's a 4 year old puppy, and she loves to run around with me, and wrestle.

Dasquian Belargic
Jan 12th, 2004, 11:40:12 AM
If I was a dog person, I'd definetly have a Retriever. My cousin has one, a cross breed, and he is totally adorable. The only person he'll bite is the person he see's as his master, my uncle.

Loklorien s'Ilancy
Jan 12th, 2004, 11:44:24 AM
Actually, I would.

oh really now :|

Charley
Jan 12th, 2004, 11:45:15 AM
Abby only play-bites. She'll just catch your arm in her mouth, and hold it there, as if to say "Ok, I know we're playing, but if we weren't, I would've totally chomped you right now."

This also applies to feet.

Charley
Jan 12th, 2004, 11:47:22 AM
Originally posted by s'Ilancy
oh really now :|

Is that a problem?

Loklorien s'Ilancy
Jan 12th, 2004, 11:49:35 AM
depends on the size of the apartment. if it was a house thered be no problem

Charley
Jan 12th, 2004, 11:54:08 AM
well, we haven't picked out an apartment yet, have we?

It's what I want, given the best case scenario.

Loklorien s'Ilancy
Jan 12th, 2004, 12:04:33 PM
if you get a dog, i get either a cat or ferret :)

Sanis Prent
Jan 12th, 2004, 12:15:12 PM
Cat please.

Ferrets smell.

Sejah Haversh
Jan 12th, 2004, 01:54:04 PM
Methinks a ferret will appear in the house anyhow, knowing s'Il.

Miryan no Trunks
Jan 12th, 2004, 04:50:30 PM
I dunno, I've known people who've raised pitbulls from puppies, had them for years showing the dog nothing but love, and have had the dog just suddenly attack out of the blue one day while they were watching tv, trying to tear out their throat. The wife had to get extensive surgery, and now has to write everything she wants to say to people who don't know sign language. When I said that, it was from experience, and I've heard of numerous cases of the same outside of the people I knew.

But whatever, there are also tons that never hurt a fly their entire life through. Just that those that Don't fall into that category tend to be in higher amounts with pit bulls than almost any other breed. And when they bite, they bite big.

Tear
Jan 12th, 2004, 05:11:23 PM
Ok..

I think changing the name of a dog is kind a lame but certain dogs do carry a stigma with their name.

Ive been raised around big so called dangerous,

"it's the fact that someone can Have a pit bull for 12 years, without the slightest sign of aggression, and have it randomly one day decide to attack them and tear their throat out.."

dogs..

I remember being younger and people coming up to pet our dog n it would respond like any normal socialised dog would by licking the person etc etc..then when the person asked what type of dog and my mother would respond "oh its a rottwieler" they would back away. Why? Because they've heard things...or read things in a paper. Its not surprising that a poorly trained guard or wild dog got loose and ran amok biting or attacking people. It would be just like any other animal...only you hear more of the big ones because, they are..in fact big. If some news paper reported a little weiner dog running down alleyways chasing people and biting at their ankles, they wouldnt get the same affect as they would with a bigger dog :p

Certain breeds were raised to do certain things. It doesnt mean they all do it. A rottweiler is a good guard dog, its very loyal and itll bark at any noise that gets too close because they are very protective. Its their nature.

Its also really sad to see some owners who buy big dogs with reputations for that purpose. Thats how they get reputations because of owners who make them into a vicious guard, attack dog, or whatever. Its the owners who make them that way, not the dog. The dog is shaped in however the owner handles, trains , or treats it.

Both Rottwielers have passed on and i grew up with them since i was around 4 or 5. Not once had one bitten me. The worst that i ever got was when the oldest was dying and couldnt see very well she barked at me in the middle of the night before she realised who it was.

Personally i find the smaller dogs to be more aggresive.

Oh and we now have a pitbull and shes very sweet...lil on the hyper side though.

Sanis Prent
Jan 12th, 2004, 08:21:50 PM
Originally posted by Tear
Personally i find the smaller dogs to be more aggresive.

Exponentially so.

Small dogs have the most acute case of inferiority complex ever. Small dogs are nasty when they get riled up. I see 10 mean little dogs for every mean big dog I see. Most big dogs I know are gentle giants.

Anybody remember Beldarine? She has this enormous Great Dane, and its the most comically timid dog I've ever seen. I can barely even pet it, it shakes and runs away from me. Even if I look at that dog wrong, it sulks away.

My friend's German Shepherd is nearly that bad. He's very shy.

Contrast this with my uncle's dog, which is a terrier mix, and very tiny. That bastard is a proximity detector. If you get within 5 meters, it growls, and crescendos higher the closer you get. It snaps viciously, and launches itself at your feet, snarling and biting all the time.