Kraken

[Taylor Millard]

by Silvio Dante and Don Coreleone, "Just when I thought I was out...they brought me back in."

Okay all humor aside...it's time to do something about him.

http://sw-fans.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29740

There's the thread...here's the post:


OOC: I didn't know you could create more than one account, so I am using more than one character in my current profile, and I will make appropriate changes, but for now..............
::Obelisk watched as a new woman appeared, one wielding katanas. He watched as she landed, then she gestured. Suddenly, he watched as a piece of a landspeeder came straight at him. Using the only trick he knew for this situation, he held his hands in front of him, and gathered the force into them. The piece of wreckage hurtling torwards him slammed into him full on, and sent him flying against the wall of the hangar bay. There he was, pinned against the wall of the hangar bay by the piece of wreckage, but relativly unharmed. Using his one free hand, he withdrew his lightsaber, and with four quick slices, he was free. He walks over to where the lizard is at, rolling on the ground in pain. He slaps bacta bandages on the areas where the lizard had sustained saber injuries, then turned, and walked slowly torwards the newest newcomer, a dark intent cast into his eyes::

suggestions?

Outside of a full lobotomy?

It's fairly obvious god-moding, and I'm sure Vega'll point it out. But we do need to do something about him.

He doesn't respond to PMs (I don't think he ever read the one I sent him about his sig)...he sounds like he's been trying to avoid rules like a child would a parent...it's time we did do something.

And soon.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Um, wait for Vega to complain and then act? ^_^; Or send him another PM with an offical warning, IF the rest of the staff thinks he needs an OFFICIAL WARNING.

[TheHolo.Net]

Originally posted by Lilaena De'Ville
Um, wait for Vega to complain and then act?I agree with this. Its not really up to us to take proactive action in god moding cases without a complaint. It may be possible the parties involved can work it out on their own before we are required to intervene.

[Taylor Millard]

Okay, that works for me.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I'm ready to ban him. *sigh* I just can't keep up with him anymore.

[Taylor Millard]

He brought in another character to help him in the 'I'm Hungry' fight?

Oh he's a real fricking genious there.

Let's see...Holly did you officially warn him about that yet?

And I've warned him about his sig before removing it...

have we warned him about anything else?

[ReaperFett]

You need to have him do something twice though really. Aside from being a nuisence, he hasn't really done anything.

I have a funny way to add Oddball to that thread, but I know people would murder me first :)

[Lilaena De'Ville]

As long as you add him and take out Slifer >_<

j/k

He is a nuisance though! Can't we ban people for being a nuisance? :cry

[ReaperFett]

If we could, some people round here would have been petitioning for my banning ages back ;)


And Slifer is his character, right?

[Taylor Millard]

That and 'Nahmama-mamamamamamamaoisdgna;lwkeng;alsidgnadnvas' whatever...

Yeah that's him.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

How many characters does he have? The email check didn't help, it only brought up Kraken and Slifer, not the Kahamnana etc. character.

[ReaperFett]

not the Kahamnana etc. character
KarmaKarmaKarmaKarmaKarmaChameleon? :)


Guy has a lot of IPs, cant pin him down. But looking at other characters shows at least two e-mail addys:

Admiral Kraken
Obelisk
Bremen
Jinzo
Kamehameha
Slifer

[Taylor Millard]

Can we ban Kraken now please?

Either he's just stupid or he's ignoring the rules on fleets and stuff.

Can we ban him now?

[Charley]

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Ugk. Nevermind me. I get back and see his garbage and it makes me want to commit atrocities.

[ReaperFett]

Taylor, rather than asking to ban him, why not link to the thread, for our entertainment? :)

[Taylor Millard]

Thread one: http://www.sw-fans.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29740

Thread two (where he openly says he tried to circuvent policy): http://www.sw-fans.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=30386#post546529

Thread three: http://www.sw-fans.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=551257#post551257

Ban...now please.

[Charley]

Ban him now. I can't give him another chance to redeem himself |I

[ReaperFett]

Has anyone told him hes on a last warning?

[Charley]

Lemme go tell him, then you can ban him.

[ReaperFett]

:lol


It's just most of the others have involved a person talking crap to a mod/admin, so they get banned. It just seems harsh that he is a nuisance more than anything else, and he gets perma-banned.

[Taylor Millard]

Was it DarKnight or Kraken who talked smack to Charley and said, "Oh no...no Agent Charley?!?"

[ReaperFett]

I believe he was joking. Heck, if that is talking smack, how am I a mod? :lol

[Charley]

No, that's just annoying as hell. If I could ban people for pure sass, there would be maybe a dozen people left here :)

He's much more hopeless than a sass-head

[TheHolo.Net]

He does need some kind of warning, since his current behavior ins't really direct grounds for banning without warning first.

Infiltration and posting porn are about the only two that can result in instant banning with no warning as far as I recall.

[Charley]

Alright...somebody else warn him, if you can. If I do, it'll start as a warning and end up with many stabbings. Besides, he may take it as a joke anyway, since he doesn't have any perception of when things are serious.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Fett you aren't a mod of the RPing forums, anyway. :mneh

Who's warning Kraken?

[Charley]

You? :)

[imported_Eve]

I'll do it ya CHICKENASSES. :p

What ya want me to say. I don't really keep up on him since its a RPing issue.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

GOOD GRIEF I'm gone for a few days and what...nothing happens!? *kicks boyz in de azz*

He's tried to circumvent policy and basically won't even let us GIVE him a clue, let alone get one himself.

[ReaperFett]

circumvent means avoid, right?



And is he still on a break, or has he reappeared now?

[Charley]

he's still away, AFAIK

[imported_Eve]

Okay so basically he has godmoded, and been warned once before? Or how many times? And he has also not respected the post count rule... or something?

Right? Can you make it crystal clear for me, please? How many warnings and for what.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I don't know, which is why I asked, I think.

[Charley]

To my knowledge, there have been no formal warnings, though he's been spoken to about his behavior many times in OOC.

[Taylor Millard]

I warned him about his sig then deleted it (the sig).

[TheHolo.Net]

He has been warned in this thread for subverting the swear filter:

<a href=http://sw-fans.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30791>Link</a>

Here is a copy of the post he did so in: (post #31)
Originally posted by Hapan Expeditionary Fleet
Yeah, I am Kraken. I......Ohhhh, Sh**. I forgot to register my guy in the Character section. Excuse me.............. And my subsequent warning:
Originally posted by SWFans.Net
H.E.F./Kraken

Consider yourself warned. Subvert the censor filter again in any way and face disciplinary action.

[imported_Eve]

So, Taylor has warned him about his sig. Ogre has warned him about swearing.

No warnings for anything else have been laid down, but I am to be the first to warn him about godmoding and respecting post counts? Right?

[Charley]

in a formal manner, yes.

[imported_Eve]

Okay gimme until tomorrow night. I have to prepare for an interview tomorrow. Just checkin' in.

[ReaperFett]

The git has the same birthday as me! I want him banned, his names are next to mine ;)

[imported_Eve]

Okay how does this sound:

Warning 7-18-03

Admiral Kraken, this is an official warning from the staff regarding your conduct here, at SWForums.net.

You have been called out several times by several roleplayers and some staff members for God-moding. Many of our members have tried to help you with making your posts contingent with SWForum Roleplaying policy and precident. You have not, as of now, taken any of the warnings or messages seriously. You have admitted that your posts are flawed in this way, and yet have made no attempt to change your roleplaying ways to fit in with the FAQ and rules.

Furthermore, you have disrespected the post-timing rule (or you have posted out-of-turn) on several occassions. Being that we are an internet based community, you must give fellow roleplayers a chance to respond to your posts before you post another play. You have done this repeatedly, and also admitted to doing so, yet you have made no attempt to change your ways to fit in with the FAQ and rules.

All in all, several people have told you where you're violating the Roleplaying FAQ (as stated above), you have admitted to doing so, and several people have been courteous enough to help you learn the SWForum ways. However, you continue to disrespect both the Godmoding and Posting-in-turn rules. Hence, this is your official warning to cease such activity, or banning will ensue.

For the record, you have previously been warned for swearing (or setting off the swear filter), and also for your sig not meeting the criteria set forth by the SWFans general FAQ. This warning would represent the third and fourth occassion where you have violated SWForum policy. This is not likely taken, nor looked upon positively.

We suggest that you comply with the SWForum general and roleplaying FAQ, or risk banning.

If you have any questions or comments, you may PM me and I will relay it to the SWForums Staff.

Thank you for your time.

[Taylor Millard]

:thumbup

I like it

[TheHolo.Net]

I prefer calling the site SWFans.Net over SWForums (consistantly) but other than that tis all good with me.

[imported_Eve]

Message sent.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Bravo, thanks Eve that was nicely done. :)

[imported_Eve]

Well you are SURE welcome. :)

[imported_Eve]

Hey finally replied yesterday:


Okay, I just returned from a long vacation, so this seems to be as good a time as any to start off fresh. The Sig was an accident, and was taken care of before I could respond, and as for the God Moding, I've tried to skimmer down, but I find it hard to start off a newbie Jedi, so to avoid complications, I'm going to stop the Jedi stuff until I learn more on how Jedi are played out here.

[Navaria Tarkin]

and it was a good one.. hopefully he does check things out :)

[Lilaena De'Ville]

http://www.swforums.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=565011#post565011

I served him his last warning. He looks at another poster wrong, he goes.

[Taylor Millard]

Is he high?

Where in the blue heck did he think this was an 'alternate timeline' thread? I didn't get that impression when I perused it.

He = Idiot.

Ban now. Please.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

>>RPs such as that would belong in the Storytelling forum, as far as I know. That does not negate the godmoding in your posts in any shape or form. The warning still stands.
Admiral Kraken wrote on Today 10:21 PM:
When I started the Forbidden Pleasures thread, way back I don't know how long, it was intended to be a thread where people from other groups could come together and RP as anyone they wanted to be. I didn't set limits to the thread, and I invited people in to play as Imperials, and others with fleets that really don't exist to play out the storyline.
When I saw Ballistic, and where it said that it was following on the heels of Forbidden Pleasures, I assumed that it was based on the same type of RP as Forbidden Pleasures was, where people could come in under any allegiance they wanted, with as many forces as they wanted, and have fun. Well, apparently I made the wrong assumption. In addition, I missed the OOC thread for it, and after looking at the dates for the post, means I missed them while on vacation, so I had no idea what was going on here. What do you want me to do to make omends for it?



<<< a PM to him from me

[imported_Eve]

Wasn't the last warning I have him his last warning?

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I didn't read that in your PM.... :huh

Oh well.

[imported_Eve]

It's right there. It says stop, or be banned. That's what this whole thing was about. It certainly wasn't meant to be a 4th or 5th warning.

So, thats two for banning time. Who else?

[Charley]

He's outta here. :thumbdown

[Taylor Millard]

Upon further review...as much as the boards would be better without Kraken...I kinda think he may've actually just missed the OOC thread about it.

He does need to fix his post though (if he hasn't all ready), and he needs help when it comes to RPing.

Let me think about this reason being the reason we ban him.

[TheHolo.Net]

I think mayybe we should give s'Il a chance to work with him before banning this time.

http://meras.org/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8145

EDIT: And just so its known, this isn't because I am getting soft again, this is because in more ways than one, this is an entirely new situation. We have not in the past ever banned anyone for god moding. And in this instance we have a formal request from a current meber of the community in very good standing to not take any action yet as she would like to work with Kraken to get him going in the right direction.

I would really like to see Kraken improve if at all possible and attempting to facilitate that change might be better in the end than just being done with him right away.

[Charley]

Alright :grumble

But the next goof he makes, I'd like to administer the proverbial 9mm parabellum on him. He makes my skin crawl worse than flesh-eating cockroaches.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I totally and completely agree with Swfans.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

http://swforums.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32361&perpage=50&pagenumber=2

There has been a complaint lodged against Duke Quells (who I believe is Kraken, haven't double checked yet) for his second to last post.

I believe he is godmoding and that the complaint was justified. Also, his last post seems to be a bit much as well.

Thoughts? Is this the end for Kraken?

[TheHolo.Net]

I'll listen to some more Mod's thoughts before I state my opinion.

[Taylor Millard]

Yeah Quells is Kraken.

I've always seen him as a moron anyway...it wouldn't kill me to see him gone.

[Sanis Prent]

He's horrible. Definitely doesn't learn his lesson.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

So...???? What do I tell the posters in the thread? Am I making him edit his post, or allowing them to respond adequately to protect their characters from his absurd attacks?

[Sanis Prent]

The latter, I guess. That is, if we're not banning him. Isn't he on his last, last, last, last leg?

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I was under the impression his last warning was last time.

So this is the banhammer or...?another last warning???

[Sanis Prent]

Hammertime.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Do you want me to write a PM?

Ogre let me know what you'd like me to do please.

[TheHolo.Net]

Originally posted by Sanis Prent
Hammertime. If that is the decision of the mods then the next step is to take it to the Group Mods for a vote. You will need to provide them with as much info as possible about previous warnings, be they final or whatnot.

In the meantime PMing him and having him...

A)Explain himself or
B)Notify him that his status is currently under discussion and he needs to speak up for himself so that it can be included in the discussion.

...would be a good course of action.

A full ban affects the entire community and should be at least discussed with the group mods before it occurs since this is not a case of his back talking/disrespecting a staff member directly, which in my book is an instant out the door with explanations after the fact.

I will chime in as needed, but would like to see the mods ;) take the responsibility here and do some work. :p

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Well I'm trying but I can only get a dialogue with Charley at the moment.

That's two of...four. Taylor didn't really say for sure.

[TheHolo.Net]

I would take Tay's answer as a "proceed".

[Lilaena De'Ville]

http://www.sw-fans.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32642

[TheHolo.Net]

Thanks.

:: hugs ::

[Lilaena De'Ville]

tee hee! *hugs*

I hope it wasn't too horrible that I just took stuff out of this forum and put it in the other forum. It was all revelvant and it was easier to quote than re-write everything.

[TheHolo.Net]

Works for me, and shows that we do go about things in an orderly fashion.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Now I'm IMing all the group mods I can find to put an end to Kraken for-EVER. >D

:mneh

[TheHolo.Net]

Looks like the vote is in well enough to proceed smacking Kraken with the banhammer.

Let me know when you have sent him an email notifying him, and I will do the deed of banning all of his names and his email address.

I also recommend that you compose a Forum Announcment to post in the RP section of forums notifying the community of the situation. It would probably be good to include a list of his names in the announcement to make it clear to all who is gone.

The easiest way to get a list of the names affected is to do a user search via email addy.

If you need help with how to post the announcment let me know.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I'll get to that today after work. Will keep you posted.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Ack he specified he didn't want email from this board. I don't really want to use my Yahoo email to send it to him, 'cause I don't want to hear back from him. What should I do?

[TheHolo.Net]

I changed his CP setting.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Kraken:

On numerous occasions, starting back in July of this year, you have been warned for subverting the swear filter, circumventing board policy, posting out of turn, and godmoding. You have said all the right things, that you were sorry, that you'd work on it, and yet...you have not.

Individual posters have taken some of their own time and tried to help you work into the SWFans RPing enviroment. You have listened, and still done things your own way.

On October 18th your posts in <a href=http://swforums.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32361&perpage=50&pagenumber=1>Testing SecCorp</a>, specifically posts #74 and #85, were judged as godmoding, due to your character Duke Quells' position as a Sith Apprentice - not a Knight or a master.

You have been given many chances to adjust and change, and were served your last warning on 08-09-03 in post 85 of this thread. (http://www.swforums.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=565011#post565011) Due to these circumstances, you are being banned from the SWFans.Net Forums. If you try to return with another character, or another email address, you will be found and banned again.

I am sorry it had to come to this, but you leave us with no choice. This was brought before the RPing Mods and Admins of SWFans.Net and this course of action was agreed on by the Group Mods of SWFans.Net as well. We wish you well in your other ventures.


- The Staff of SWFans.Net Forums

[Lilaena De'Ville]

To Whom It May Concern:

The RPer known as Admiral Kraken has been banned from these forums for unrepentantly subverting the swear filter, circumventing board policy, posting out of turn, and for multiple cases of godmoding.

He was served his last warning on August 9th of this year, and on October 17th he was found to be godmoding once more. Therefore, as we have no more 'last warnings,' it was decided by the RPing Moderators and Admins, as well as the Group Moderators of SWFans.Net, to ban him from these forums.

The characters and screen names affected by this ban are as follows:

Admiral Kraken
Bremen
Commodore Kessler
Duke Quells
Hapan Expeditionary Fleet
Hares'Duru'Nurudo
Jitthre'n'turudo
Kamehameha
Lance Freestar
Mr. Boom
Slifer
The Black Market
Zango Jett

[TheHolo.Net]

Looks good to me.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Does it sound good? ^_^;

edit: oy!

Ok I'm sending the email and then figuring out the announcement thing. :)

[Lilaena De'Ville]

lmao I added the announcement to all the forums ^_^;

[TheHolo.Net]

Remove that one and add one to the Roleplaying category only. That will cover the proper forums.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

okies ^_^;

[TheHolo.Net]

And ou can edit the expiration date to last like 5 to 7 days so it will dissapear from public site on its own.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I believe I did. :):thumbup

[TheHolo.Net]

Nope, you set the end date before the start date, making the announcement invisible. :p

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Oy!

Man this is harder than it looks. :p

edit: I THINK I DID IT!! :D

[TheHolo.Net]

There it is. Well done. :) Thanks.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I also PMed a copy of my first post in the Group Mods thread to s'Ilancy because she requested a list of his warnings. As she apparently was still trying to mentor him, I went ahead and gave a copy to her.

I had been under the impression she'd given up on him due to our conversations about him, but apparently she was still trying to help him out.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

ok If he's banned then why is he showing up on the who's online? o_O

[TheHolo.Net]

He's looking at a no permission screen.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

:o I didn't check the who's online, really, I just looked at the main page where it showed his name. Sorry.^_^;

[TheHolo.Net]

Who's Online does't specificly say if a person is viewing a "No Permission" Screen.


hmmmm, maybe I can hack it in so it does.

EDIT: Nope, no can do, its template/PHP based and the URL doesn't change.

[Charley]

He aimed me a few times asking if people were wondering why he was banned, etc. Ugh.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

No one is wondering why 'cause I told them all why.

[TheHolo.Net]

Here is what Kraken had to say:
When I first came to Star Wars Fans, I knew little or nothing of Role-Playing. I also made the mistake of not reading the FAQ, and had poor judgement of what my character(s) could and could not do. I learned over time, but not before I had collected a fair amount of warnings for constact mistakes, such as violating posting order and comitted a fair amount of God-Moding. Other such mistakes I made was setting off the swear filter, and other accounts. By the time of Semptember, I had settled in nicely, in my opinion, in the role of Fleet RPing. I continued to make mistakes, yes, but I quickly learned from them. But the fact was, since I had so many mistakes, and warnings chalked up on my records, meant any deviation of course and I was effectivley ka-put. However, when someone had a problem of an action I had comitted in this time period, all they had to do was ask me PM, or OOC, and I corrected the error. Then I decided to try out another Force character. Based on my obviously poor judgement on what apprentices can, and cannot learn, I thought I could learn at least one or two techniques per training thread. Based on this, after my first training thread was done, I thought I could try those techniques out in the Testing SecCorps thread. Not only did the Mods not agree with my judgement, but they never sent me a PM, or told me by any other means that they considered my new techniques to be God-Moding by the fact that I was rated as an apprentice.
So, what I propose is this:
I wait three or more months in order to wait until everything, and everyone "Cools Down". I take this time to further my RPing efforts. My current accounts are deleted also. Then, permission pending, I come back with only one account and one character, and only Fleet RP, the only kind of RPing that I feel I am best at.
What are your thought(s) on this matter?

Sincerely,
*Name removed*

[Taylor Millard]

I wait three or more months in order to wait until everything, and everyone "Cools Down". I take this time to further my RPing efforts. My current accounts are deleted also. Then, permission pending, I come back with only one account and one character, and only Fleet RP, the only kind of RPing that I feel I am best at.

It'll need to be more than just three to four months. I told (I think Zasz) to suggest him go to TRF for Fleet work.

But the thing is, it was more than just godmoding and stuff. I know he drove Telan nuts with some of his ideas and plans. He needs more than just polishing to be better.

A year...then maybe...but three to four months...no.

[Sanis Prent]

Bannings are final and always will be.

[TheHolo.Net]

I sent no response, but got this from him today:
Dear Ogre, could you have one of the moderaters delete my accounts?
Admiral Kraken.I would rather not delete his accounts so his IPs can be kept on record.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I got an email from him, sent from the account he just registered on Meras. Otherwise, I have no idea how he got my email. ^_^;

Anyway I didn't reply. I have it saved somewhere, unless I was a dork and deleted it.

[TheHolo.Net]

No worries. I took your comments here as a complaint against him and have banned him from Meras now as well, after Kitty said if there was a complaint he was gone.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

lol ok fine with me. He wouldn't have had any fun there anyway, as we don't RP there much. :)