Charlie and the Chocolate Factory remake

[Jedi Master Carr]

I don't like this at all
Warner Brothers is enlisting Tim Burton to direct Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, the second live-action film adaptation of the Roald Dahl classic children's novel, Variety reported. Burton is also signed next to helm the stop-motion animation feature film The Corpse Bride for the studio, the trade paper reported.

Charlie has long been considered one of Warner's most promising properties, one that executives hope will lead to a Broadway musical, the trade paper reported.

The Dahl estate has already approved Burton. In the next few days, he will meet with the family in London, where he's putting the finishing touches on the Columbia film Big Fish. A deal will reportedly follow.

Dahl didn't like the first screen adaptation, the 1971 Gene Wilder movie Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, the trade paper reported.

Why do they have to remake classic films especially since the last remake Burton did stunk. I don't care that Dahl didn't like the first one, I have a feeling that this one will be even worse.

[Agden Ithrin]

Burton! I wonder if he'll give it his usually gothic twang :D That would be interesting to see.

[Dae Jinn]

Hmm, it might be good. i liked 'nightmare before christmas" and he'll probably make it more darker. Still love the original though. :D

[Jedi Master Carr]

See I liked the songs I will miss them, also not sure who can duplicate Wilder's performance. The only person I can think of is Jim Carrey.

[Dae Jinn]

:x

If it's like 'Nightmare...", then couldn't they keep the songs? At least the oompa-lumpa ones would still have to be in it, I would think.
As to who plays Wonka, he wouldn't have to be funny, I mean, Wilder wasn't acting all comedic in it. :\ I don't think I'd like it with Carrey in it, but that's just me.

[Agden Ithrin]

Maybe they will revamp some of the songs a little, and have evil little clown oompa-lumpas... :lol

[Nathanial K'cansce]

Bah! "Willy Wonka..." is a classic! I love that movie. Even though I'm a fan of some of Burton's work, I'm ':\ ' on this.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Wonka was a nut so it would have to be somebody funny, Wilder was funny in the film, to me he stole the film. I have doubt they will do the music mostly because it has been done, I just don't see it happening but who knows. I wonder who will play the kids? There were rumors months ago that WB were trying to talk the 3 Harry Potter leads (Radcliff, Grint, and Watson) into doing. Personally I would think they be too busy with HP to even try to do it.

[Gurney Devries]

I have mixed feelings on this. Willy Wonka is just one of those films that you can't improve upon in any way. And remake almost always means "bad". I wonder if Burton is just so hard up for cash that he's not bothering to pick and choose the films he directs. :\

[Jedi Master Carr]

I agree, I know WB is probably thinking maybe they will make money on it this time. As I think the original did poorly in theaters and only got an audience on TV and VHS.

[Dae Jinn]

Wilder wasn't funny in a Carrey way though, it was more subtle funny IMO.

[Jedi Master Carr]

True I think Carrey can tone it down to that type of humor though I bet they won't pick him because of his 25 million dollar sallery.

[Lann]

I don't like this, Willy Wonka is a classic that can never be improved upon. That is nearly as bad as if someone attempted to remake 'Wizard of Oz'. I'm absolutely serious. My interest level is zilch, Carey or no Carey. Wilder's performance was brilliant in the original.

[Jedi Master Carr]

They actually have tried doing remake of Oz though it was a sequel but still it was awful.

[Lann]

For the Willy Wonka role, what about Samuel L Jackson or John Lithgow or John Turturro (of Barton Fink fame) or Alan Reichman? The former ones could carry the role and the latter has Burton's usual gothic appeal.

[Droo]

I would vomit on the Jim Carey as Willy Wonka DVD.

As much as I love the original, a surreal Chocolate Factory would be excellent and Tim Burton could do it and make it equal the classic. It would be interesting to have a darker version but that would only spoil the whole point of the book. Marilyn Manson was considered and approached for the role of Willy Wonka.

[Gurney Devries]

Return to Oz wasn't a remake at all. It was a departure from the first film, to be sure. But I quite liked it.

[Lann]

Originally posted by Jedi Master Carr
They actually have tried doing remake of Oz though it was a sequel but still it was awful.

Are you speaking of that abomination, Return to Oz, made back in the eighties? That is the only one I can recall.

[Droo]

I really liked Return to Oz. It was like what American McGee's "Alice" is to "Alice in Wonderland".

To add to what I said about the remake of Chocolate Factory. If Tim Burton and Marilyn Manson have been approached, then this should give you an idea what sort of film they are going for and could very well fit into the same mold as "Alice" and "Return to Oz".

[Jedi Master Carr]

I don't see WB bringing in Manson because it wouldn't be profitable most people wouldn't go see anything he does.

[Droo]

They talked, but that's as far as it goes. I'll look it up on the website, I'm talking about fourteen months ago now but there should be one or two articles still available.

Also, just to expand on my hatred for Jim Carey; I feel like his acting is tainted with camp melodrama, of course when we talk about some of the characters he's played in the past, Ace Ventura, The Grinch, The Riddler, etc. that's unavoidable but it spills out into his other performances which makes his deliveries cringe-worthy. I just don't like the idea of him playing Wonka at all because that's the type of role which will allow all the qualities about his acting which I can't stand to be completely free. >_<

[Vega Van-Derveld]

I could so see MM playing Wonka after watching the mOBSCENE video. Obviously it wouldn't be a mainstream film, but with Burton directing I think that would be fairly entertaining :)

[Loki Ahmrah]

His music video for "Dope Hat" is basically him and the band on the boat trip in the film. It's excellent. :D

[Jedi Master Carr]

It wouldn't make any money there is no way WB would cast Manson as Wonka, I think that talk was complete rumor, Manson is as far from mainstream as you can get. Now as far as Carrey I like him he can be hysterical in some films (Liar Liar comes to mind) not sure if he would work as Wonka or not. I am sure there are other choices Mike Myers maybe?

[Gav Mortis]

None of the mentions so far make me think: "Ooh yeah, definately Willy Wonka!" Having said that though, I tend to say that a lot about actors filling the shoes of a character I know of beforehand and am usually suprised. I mean imagine the thoughts of people when they heard Jack Nicholson would play the Joker in Batman and look at the performance he delivered. I am just not a big Carey fan, Liar Liar was great but it's all too samey for my liking.

The Manson talks weren't rumours as Manson was the person who was talking about it himself on the website. He said he'd like the role but then the whole Wonka remake dissapeared until now. Is it possible that a smaller, independant studio was planning to do the film all that time ago? Or is it owned by WB?

[Jedi Master Carr]

More than likely it was all Manson doing the talking. I don't see WB giving him that role the movie would fail for sure.

[Zeke]

I feel the same way about Manson being Wonka as Loki does about Jim Carrey being Wonka. I hate this idea. They'll ruin it completely the way it seems to be going now.

[Lann]

First off, we don't even know if Manson has any acting talent. I also don't care for movie/musician collaborations. Though that is not to say musicians can not act. But in this scenario it would appear outwardly to be a MTV/Burton production. Eww!

And Manson is no Wilder fer sure.

[Loki Ahmrah]

1. Manson was involved in talks with the studio.

2. Whether or not this was WB or otherwise I cannot find out.

3. Manson isn't and hasn't for a long time been involved in the Chocolate Factory equation.

So put your fears of Willy Manson or Marilyn Wonka to rest and sleep snug in your beds. :)

I raised the point about Manson earlier because if it's the same studio then coupled with the directing style of Burton we could be looking at a very dark version of the much-loved classic. Like "Alice" and "Return to Oz" are to their predecessors however if this is a remake and not a sequel as such then I doubt it will be a very dark film as it would most likely butcher the book and it's original intent of being a children's story. Although it would be cool, I mean Oompa Lumpas are scary enough without having a Tim Burton make-over. :D

[Zeke]

It shouldn't be made darker. That'd spoil the whole thing right there.

[Gurney Devries]

Well, attempting to remake it without changing anything would be a guaranteed flop. You can't improve on the original movie.

Drastically changing the atmosphere might make it actually worthwhile, however.

[JMK]

Perfect. Just what we need. More Oompa Loompas. I thought we were through with those forever....>_<

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I [extremely dislike] the original movie. Have any of you ever read the book? Geebus!

[edit: What I mean by this is that the original movie did not fit what I had imagined in my head when I read the book 20 or so times in my youth, so I do not like it as much as others do.]

I would be most interested in the remake.

My only concern is the casting of Uncle Joe, as he is my absolute favorite character.

[second edit: I hate the songs, too.]

[Lann]

Originally posted by Gurney Devries
Drastically changing the atmosphere might make it actually worthwhile, however.

Might indeed... but better yet why don't the studio just drop this production for something more original altogether. Leave the Oompa Lumpas alone.

[Gurney Devries]

:mneh :mneh :mneh @ LD

I loved the songs. :love I haven't read the book, so I just judge it on its merits as a movie.

And the movie industry has been completely out of original ideas for at least a year now. That's why we're seeing nothing but sequels and adaptations of books/comics.

[JMK]

Originally posted by Lann
Leave the Oompa Lumpas alone.

Amen.

[Zeke]

Oompa Loompa doopity do
I've got a perfect puzzle for you
Oompa Loompa doopity dee
If you are wise you'll listen to me...

:)

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I didn't mind the Oompa Loompa songs, they're actually all in the book. :mneh@Gurney

[Jinn Fizz]

A remake of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory???? :huh

Gosh, I'm truly torn on this one. I absolutely adore the original movie version, and I think Gene Wilder's Willy Wonka is one of the greatest movie fantasy characters ever.

But Tim Burton directing...that has possibilities. He could help bring out the darker edges of the story.

I would be willing to give it a try, I think. But not with Marilyn Manson as Willy Wonka. No way, no how.

Oh, and I'd like to step up to the plate in defense of Return to Oz, which I happened to like a lot. My mother loves it, and I consider her a very good judge of Oz movies, because she loved the book series as a child, and for Christmas a few years ago, I bought her a whole new set of the books, which she read again.

As she pointed out, L. Frank Baum's Oz books weren't all sweetness and light, follow the yellow brick road, ding dong the witch is dead, I'm melting, I'm melting. There was actually some pretty dark stuff in these books too. While I agree that the suggestion of Dorothy receiving shock treatment in the opening scenes of Return to Oz was not exactly appetizing, the elements of Dorothy's return to Munchkinland and Oz were all drawn from elements in 2 of the Baum books. Princess Mombi in the movie was a composite of 2 characters in 2 Oz books, so yes, there really was a character created by L. Frank Baum who had a gallery of heads that she could interchange at will. The wheelers, the devastation of Oz, the deadly desert, the Nome King, everything still came from Baum's works. Plus, Fairuza Balk was only about 9 or 10 when she made the movie, which was actually the age that Dorothy was in the Oz books, not the buxom 18-year-old that Judy Garland was.

Don't get me wrong, I love The Wizard of Oz, it truly is one of the greatest movie fantasies of all time, and if anyone ever tries to remake it (The Wiz doesn't count :p), then there will be hell to pay. Big time. But Return to Oz wasn't a remake, it was a sequel of sorts, and as far as my mother the Oz fan is concerned, Return to Oz was truer to the source material than The Wizard of Oz was. I think so too. :)

Sorry if I ranted a little, but I've always felt that Return to Oz has gotten more criticism than it deserves. :)

[Jedi Master Carr]

I saw the movie too first, I liked the songs too, Candy Man (though made before the movie I think by Sammy Davis) and the song by Wilder, when they enter the candy Lake were the two best, though the one with Salt was kind of funny :p I think they should leave it alone I have a feeling they will botch it pretty bad.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Its been so long since i've seen it...does Veruca Salt get dumped down a chute by trained squirrels in the movie?

[ReaperFett]

trained squirrels? I'm missing out! :)

[Vega Van-Derveld]

No, she jumps onto the gold-egg-weighing machine and it goes "BAD EGG" and it drops her down the chute, then her daddy follows :lol (I loved that bit of the movie.. Veruca was my favourite :D)

[Gurney Devries]

The boat scene was my favorite part of the movie. Ironically, Marilyn Manson did a cover of that song a while ago.

[Loki Ahmrah]

Yep, it's on his "Portrait of an American Family" album I think. Like I said earlier, he based the music video for "Dope Hat" on that scene too but at the start of the album he does Wonka's rhyme too, it's either that album or "Smells Like Children".

[Jedi Master Carr]

I love that part with Salt I loved when Wonka said, "now that was a bad egg." :p I loved the boat scene too that was great.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

In the book she gets into a room full of trained squirrels who are testing nuts. The squirrels tackle her to the floor, and rap their knuckles on her head. And then they toss her down the garbage chute, because she was a 'bad nut.' Then mom and pop run into the room and get the same treatment. Its great. :D She wanted a trained squirrel NOW NOW NOW and so she ran in to get her own.

HA HA VERUCA YOU GOT WHAT YOU DESERVE!

I hope they do THAT in the movie, just like in the book. :D

And while they're at it they need to make a movie out of George's Marvellous Medicine >D

[Droo]

Just to follow up on my comments about the possibility of Manson playing Willy Wonka in Tim Burton's remake. Taken from marilyn-manson.net on 8th September:


Johnny Depp is keen to take on the lead role in Tim Burtons's, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory remake, but he'll happily step aside if rocker Marilyn Manson wants the part.

Manson and Depp are the only names in the running to recreate the beloved ROALD DAHL eccentric, and Depp admits the rocker would be the perfect Wonka.

He says, "It's an exciting possibility for me to go back and do another film with Tim. It would be a ball. I'll keep all my digits crossed, as it were.

"That said, I'd go and see Manson as Willy Wonka. I'd go and see him in anything."

[Jedi Master Carr]

I still think no Warner exec would put Manson in a film, the movie would bomb. I bet Depp gets the part even though I don't think they should make a remake of it.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Going to resurrect this very old thread because the teaser is out

http://movies.yahoo.com/movies/feature/charlieandthechocolatefactory.html

I have to say it looks very weird, although it fits with Burton's style. Depp is crazy looking in it. I will probably go see it just because Depp is such a great actor and that will make the movie worth it. Still doubt it will be as good as the original.

[Master Yoghurt]

My first reaction/thought when I watched that trailer was "cat in the hat", which can only be a bad sign..

[Shawn]

I hope that music is used nowhere in the actual movie. I also hope the "Ew, he farted" type jokes are kept to an absolute bare minimum (as in, just that once). I like how some of the sets looked.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Not sure what the Ew was refering to so can't say. The music is very strange. I thinking some of that could be the Lupa Lupa songs. I don't see Cat in the hat though, Tim Burton is too good of director to direct something that bad. I guess it could disapointing like Planet of the Apes.

[Shawn]

Even if that's not what he was saying "Ew" to, the fart was really out of place. :\ The music, even if it's an Oompa Loompa song, is too sugar-sweet for my liking. It's downright annoying.

Still, it has promise:

http://img88.exs.cx/img88/7057/wonka019eh.jpg
http://img88.exs.cx/img88/351/wonka029wv.jpg

[Lilaena De'Ville]

It looks simply fascinating.

[Jedi Master Carr]

The imagery looks just like Burton though. The music I have no clue about, where was the fart? I thought the Ew was when the fat kid fell in the chocolate.

[Shawn]

The fart noise is while Augustus is swimming around in the chocolate. I'm hoping that maybe they just added it for the trailer, then spliced in the "Ew" from another scene... but that doesn't seem likely.

The music is starting to grow on me, though. >_<

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Oompa loompa songs are SUPPOSED to be annoying. At least, they were in the original movie. In the book they had no music. ;)

And perhaps the sound is the sound made when one falls into a river of chocolate? sort of the chocolate wrapping itself around him and squeezing out the air he pulled in with him as he felll....?

...well I've never fallen into a river of chocolate, so I don't know what sound it makes. and I KNOW I'd say ew if someone fell into chocolate that was supposed to go into candy bars.

[Gav Mortis]

Personally, I think it looks fantastic. As for the music and sweetness, I think it's a perfect fit, this is a Tim Burton film. Since when has Burton not used sugar sweetness with dark undertones slashing out in every which way? Depp looks deliciously eccentric. Whether or not he'll surpass Gene Wilder's portrayal of Wonka is another matter entirely since that is such a tough act to follow.

The music and tone for this trailer seems to say to me that take it half serious and half misdirection; the first few moments of this trailer looks like some sort of surreal extract from the mind of a madman. I love it and think this will be a treat for both adults and their kids. :D

Edit: Just look at the Chocolate Room - in comparison to that from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory it looks like some disfigured place, like a haunted forest.

[Shawn]

Originally posted by Lilaena De'Ville
Oompa loompa songs are SUPPOSED to be annoying. At least, they were in the original movie. You are wrong.

[Dasquian Belargic]

I don't know what to make of the trailer, but Tim Burton + Johnny Depp has always been a winning combination, so I have high hopes :)

[Peter McCoy]

I haven't read the book. I haven't seen the film. All I've seen is a shot of Gene Wilder as Willy Wonka and he looked great (I love Gene Wilder). So judging my opinion solely on the trailer at hand - it looks fantastic! :)

And its been quite some time since I've seen Johnny Depp clean-shaven :p

[Jinn Fizz]

I love the trailer. I hope the movie lives up to it. If Burton pulls this off successfully, it could be his best movie yet.

And so far, I think Johnny Depp looks terrific as Willy Wonka. :)

[darth_mcbain]

Am I the only one that is thinking that Depp looks kinda like Alex from A Clockwork Orange in the poster?

[Figrin D'an]

Originally posted by Darth McBain
Am I the only one that is thinking that Depp looks kinda like Alex from A Clockwork Orange in the poster?

Good... I'm not the only one who noticed.

[darth_mcbain]

When I first saw that poster in the mall, that was the very first thing I thought of. It kind of cast a creepy image in my mind, which may not be altogether off - Wonka is definitely a little creepy on some level, but I don't think to the level of wanting to go out for a little of the "ultra-violent"... :uhoh

[Somara Ave]

this is another one that needs to hurry before I self implode..LOL

Tim Burton is the man, of course I'm going ;) That poster of Depp. I need it. O_o

[Jedi Master Carr]

Here is the full trailer

http://movies.channel.aol.com/franchise/exclusives/charlie_and_the_chocolate_factory_movie
It is a lot better than the teaser have to say that. Depp looks over the top but that is the way Wonka should be played. Oh and the Kid that plays Charlie looks like a great choice, he did a wonderful job in Finding Neverland so I am curious how he will be in this one. Overall it looks like it could be a very good movie.

[Loki Ahmrah]

It looks absolutely amazing! I knew it! :D :D :D!

I cannot wait to see this and I'm not even going to say a word about Johnny Depp because, really, was there ever any doubt? :cool

[Jedieb]

I just saw the original again the other day. It was one of my favorite movies as a kid. Does anyone know if Gene Wilder has any kind of a cameo? His career really fell off in the 80's once he started directing his own films, but he's had some great performances; Young Frankenstein, Blazing Saddles, Stir Crazy, Silver Streak, The Frisco Kid, and I've left a few others out. To me, he'll always be Wonka, but if anyone can pull off a remake Depp probably can.

[Liam Jinn]

LD should be happy, I saw squirrels tapping on the little girls head.

[Jinn Fizz]

Originally posted by Jedi Master Carr
Here is the full trailer

http://movies.channel.aol.com/franchise/exclusives/charlie_and_the_chocolate_factory_movie
It is a lot better than the teaser have to say that. Depp looks over the top but that is the way Wonka should be played. Oh and the Kid that plays Charlie looks like a great choice, he did a wonderful job in Finding Neverland so I am curious how he will be in this one. Overall it looks like it could be a very good movie.

Ah, excellent, I've been waiting for the full trailer...looks like it's going to be lots of fun. But I never had any doubts about that. :)

Interesting little thing I noticed in one of the first shots of Johnny Depp...he's holding a pair of scissors. I'm guessing he cuts a ribbon to let everyone into the factory, but of course my first thought was Edward Scissorhands. Which I'm sure was the point. :D

[darth_mcbain]

I saw that and I don't know if I think this movie is gonna be a lot of fun or if I think it is gonna stink beyond belief... Its weird, the trailer got me excited for, and turned me off of the movie, at the same time... :huh Can't say why...

I don't think I'll be seeing this one in the theaters, maybe a rental later on...

[Gav Mortis]

It's going to be awesome, you slags. I know! :mad

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Originally posted by Liam Jinn
LD should be happy, I saw squirrels tapping on the little girls head.


Originally posted by Lilaena De'Ville
Its been so long since i've seen it...does Veruca Salt get dumped down a chute by trained squirrels in the movie?

YAY!!!! :crack

[Dasquian Belargic]

It looks like it will be a lot of fun :D

[Master Yoghurt]

I thought the trailer was awful. Reminds me too much of The Grinch and Cat in The Hat, which is not my cup of tea to put it mildly. I would stick to the book. I suspect the critics will have a fiest over this one, and that its going to drop faster box office wise than a cannonball dropped into gravity of Jupiter.

[Shawn]

I have my reservations, but I still want to see it. It looks like it'll be really fun, so long as they don't pander to poop and fart jokes.