Regarding a new Jedi subgroup.

[Pierce Tondry]

This is the OOC forum, nothing IC has happened yet, but...

I had an idea for a sub-group of Jedi within GJO. These Jedi would either be established Knights with a knack for being in the right place at the right time to stop emerging problems or novice Jedi who can be taught infiltration and information gathering skills. Their character class (for lack of a better term) would be Jedi Investigator, and their job would be to go out and hunt down threats to the safety of the Republic hidden within its' seamier elements.

At this point, both Oriadin and Sejah Haverish have agreed to run with the idea, and if things take off like I hope, more people can join in. Granted my RP time is limited to weekends and here-and-there postings, but I think I can run this idea regardless of my time constraints.

That all being said, does the Council think this is idea is permissible? :)

[Wei Wu Wei]

You mean like Jedi Detectives?

[Pierce Tondry]

Yes and no. Investigators basically handle anything that requires them to go out and get information regarding a threat, so in that sense, they are detectives. However, when the time comes for action, they are usually the first to go in since they know the most. They're a combination detective/commando.

[Zeke]

Potential, potential! :D I'm not council, but I like this idea very much. :)

[Agden Ithrin]

:thumbup says Dasq.

[Anthony Scott]

:thumbup

This is a really cool idea. :)

[Ryla Relvinian]

Neat idea, I'd be interested. :)

[Morgan Evanar]

Um, why define it into a seperate subgroup? Just do the stuff.

[Marcus Telcontar]

Originally posted by Morgan Evanar
Um, why define it into a seperate subgroup? Just do the stuff.

What he said. If it's a valid Jedi thing, then bring it before Council and do it.

BTW... DIALUP FUCKING SUCKS!

[Lion El' Jonson]

Originally posted by Marcus Elessar
What he said. If it's a valid Jedi thing, then bring it before Council and do it.

BTW... DIALUP FUCKING SUCKS!

I agree...that's why its nice to have a broadband technician 10 minutes from your house...:lol

The idea sounds cool, but I agree with Morgan...there's really no need for a subgroup, since jedi are actually supposed to that stuff in the first place...we're just lazy...also, do we have anybody RPing a dedicated Jedi loremaster sorta-person, like Tionne? That would be quite an interesting character to bring in during training, to tell so kind of story to trainees about great battles that were won and stuff...:p

[Navaria Tarkin]

Well, I think Pierce is going for a group of specific Jedi that are trained for this kinda thing. Kinda like Jedi Special Forces .

or am I wrong?

[Sage Hazzard]

Well, heck, Syrius would be almost perfect for this. He is a veteran police detective, undercover mostly. But I'd think he'd need to be a Knight first to be in it, right? As it's a touchy kind of outfit. Things can go wrong and a Padawan could get killed.

I like the idea very much. :)

[Oriadin]

I get the impression its a similar group to the warrior Jedi, only this one is highly trainied in investigation and intelligence. Just that little bit more specialised. Plus we can work more as a group rather than just individuals.

[Evil Hobgoblin]

I made a post about it because, simply put, being a Jedi Investigator is not the same as being a Jedi. There are things an Investigator will need to know and a lifestyle they will need to adopt that sets them apart from the average Jedi. In addition, a Jedi Investigator will need access to a great deal of information and will work on things of the highest priority. They're not exactly an elite class (yet) but their differences are great enough that I believed running the idea by the Council OOC was prudent.

Call me crazy, but I like to get my plans cross-checked before people start going "WTF?"

[Sage Hazzard]

Well let me try and say what I think you're going for. Maybe I can put it even a clearer way.

They go out and investigate things, scout, and keep tabs. They're undercover Jedi, blending in with criminals and scum. They're the eyes and ears of the Jedi to the underworld. I'm taking it much like how Talon Karrde had many people around that got info about stuff, except it's Jedi. And they'd focus on the threatening parts of the universe's underbelly and etc. Also, I'm thinking, if I get this sub-group right, they'd hang out around governments that might be trouble. Like say a planet is planning to invade a planet and 'cause mass genocide, a Jedi Investigator would be dispatched to gather info about when, where, and why it's going down. Then they'd be the first line of defense, catching the other Jedi up to speed.

Am I anywhere close?

[Lion El' Jonson]

Okay, I'm starting to understand their roles a bit better now, sorry Hob.

So, the way Sage is looking at this, the Jedi Investigators are more like the CIA advisors that get sent in. They figure out what's going on, and then call in the army if they decide it's a threat...am I getting this, or am I just stupid?

[Marcus Telcontar]

am I getting this, or am I just stupid?

No comment :D :p

[Lion El' Jonson]

Quiet you...I guess asking if I'm stupid is sort of a given around here...:lol

Sort of like whenever the NewB's ask: "Are you guys insane?"

...well...yes, we are...:p

[Kelt Simoson]

Yeah i like the idea :)

[Pierce Tondry]

Sage: Ya pretty much hit the nail on the head, actually. If a criminal group is up to something, it'll be up to the Investigators to go in and send word back to the Council. If another Jedi thinks that a planetary government might be up to no good, then they pass word back to the Council that something might be up and the Council assigns an Investigator to the case. Either way, the official assignments of an Investigator are largely at the discretion of the Council, even if the Investigator does go look into something on his own.

By the way, where's my sig? :)

[Sanis Prent]

:thumbdown

I just don't see it as something that would be necessary. Too much bureocracy (sp), for such a minor thing.

[Morgan Evanar]

I agree with Charley and myself. You're overcomplicating things.

[Evil Hobgoblin]

So the idea is fine, but the subgroup is not?

[Jackson DeWitt]

Correct.

[Oriadin]

I cant see that there's anything wrong with it. If there was a good enough reason to have a group of Warrior Jedi (Which is a even a bit un Jedi like) then how can a small group like this not be allowed?

[Loki Ahmrah]

Originally posted by Oriadin
If there was a good enough reason to have a group of Warrior Jedi (Which is a even a bit un Jedi like) then how can a small group like this not be allowed?

The Warrior Jedi forum no longer exists for this very reason. It's a good idea and I say run with it but there really is no need to clutter the board with more unneccessary forums. There is nothing stopping you from conducting all your business about the Jedi forums as is.

[Oriadin]

I dont think another forum has been mentioned. I think it was the intention all along to work within the current forums

[Loki Ahmrah]

Ok, I was assuming that a subgroup would require a forum for a certain degree of organisation. Regardless though, there is no need to overcomplicate matters, at least not in such early stages of development. You could begin by having those wanting to be involved to be either chosen or volunteer for a special investigation mission. From there, these group of Jedi could be called upon whenever such a job is required, work on it and if it eventually needs to become a subgroup then do it.

But when from out of the blue the "Jedi Investigators" start popping up, it will only seem like a whimsical flash-in-the-pan driven by over-reaching ambition, which was how I saw the Jedi Warrior subgroup.

[Marcus Telcontar]

But when from out of the blue the "Jedi Investigators" start popping up, it will only seem like a whimsical flash-in-the-pan driven by over-reaching ambition, which was how I saw the Jedi Warrior subgroup.

Gee. Thanks for the insult. It's only been the whole basis of my character for four years and it only took a great deal of thought, research and set up to even get as far as we did. Loki, I am honestly offended and surprised you would say that, especially if you knew just what went into that concept in the first place, to make sure it would be legal, different and maybe compelling for someone to run with the idea. Which, I might add, some still are.

As for this idea of Pierce's, I personally think it's a very good idea, it's a very Jedi like idea and concept. I would only make the following concepts and suggestions -

a) GJO policy would mandate a Knight or above be in "charge" for want of abetter word. I understand from what I see it's not formal sub-group, but a way, a purpose of being a Jedi. we have been tough on other Padawans trying to do their own thing, so we cant just say, yes, fine, go ahead Padawan Tondry. we have to be fair and apply the rule set out to all. This is of course IC. I'm sure OOC you can find a way around that.

b) OOC, there is no problem with some players makign a concious decision to aim their characters in this direction. That I see as commendible. When you put the skills together you would need, you would have a well rounded character, eg a Warrior (despite suggestions to the contrary over time) has need for things other than fighting skiil. What about comapssion, wisdom, control? What about courage? and pity and mercy? It opened up a window of roleplaying possibility that I have had a lot of fun working with and out. I would see this cocept put forth by Pierce has a good deal of RP potential, both on a doing and on a developmental level.

c) Well? What are you waiting for? I want to see how this turns out :D

[Loki Ahmrah]

My comment was not intended to be insulting. That's honestly how I saw the Warrior Jedi subgroup and I can't possibly appologise for how I percieved something but whenever I think of it all I remember is the arguing it caused over how unnused and unneccessary the forum seemed.

You do however have my appologies for such a ham-handed remark, there was no intent to offend, especially to your character. Perhaps I just don't want to see the same sort of thing happen again, an idea for a subgroup that has a forum which then proves to be unneeded.

[Navaria Tarkin]

Well, I don't think I need to rehash anything ... :) I was good with the group from the getgo ^_^

[Evil Hobgoblin]

Er-HEM. Apologies done, feelings soothed?

Great. I'm gonna get back on track now.

In response to your points, Marcus, I have the following to say:

a.) Like I said, nothing has happened IC yet. In fact, preliminaries will start as soon as Pierce returns from his captivity and torture at the hands of Sorsha and the Shrine Vamps. If need be, I'll have him be a liason between the NRI and the Jedi Investigators until he can head up this thing IC.

As far as rank, Pierce has been a studious Padawan for many months now (since last summer, to be precise). His studies are progressing slowly due to lack of the posting presence of Helenias, and if I'm lucky, he just might get promoted to Knight sometime this year. :-p Three month rule my ass.

b.) I know it's got potential. :-p I thought of it. :D

c.) See a.) There's other stuff coming first.

[Navaria Tarkin]

three months isn't a rule. it's a guideline :P

[Pierce Tondry]

Oh, you know I'm bein' silly, Navvy. I've always tried to be clear that when I get promoted, I want it to be quality, not standard. If that means extra time and patience, so be it. :)

[Syrius Cline]

I say just start it up. No official subgroup. Maybe you could have the council come up with the idea, that they need eyes and ears out there. Then they apoint some people to do just that and it goes from there. No sub group. Then, as time goes on, and more people become active investigators, then it can become a sub-group, I say. Until then though, all those people can put Jedi Investigators and such in their sigs and can give themselves that title. I see no problem with that. Let me try and get it clearer...

Start being Jedi Investigators, get people to do that. Then make it become a group by the perticipants. Get it? It can evolve into a sub-group. I don't know what exactly is widely meant by sub-group. Like what everyone here thinks when they read that. But I say just call yourself it. You're Jedi investigating things, so that's what you call yourself. Just put it in your sigs, etc, and it'll be.. a sub-sub group I guess... :) Hope I'm making half sense.

It's like if I made a special idea tomorrow about Jedi gardeners. A bunch of Jedi could then garden with me and call themself Jedi Gardeners. Then, we'd be known as the Jedi Gardeners. If the council and so on want to slap that with an official badge and title, so be it. And if someone needs gardening somewhere then the council could call forth the people who are known as Jedi Gardeners and ask they go help with a planets gardening needs. That's my take on it. :)

Your sig? Sorry about that. :) I''m trying to find a good herculean task and a general mood. Taking me a while ain't it? Some sigs, I get an immediant idea for, others take time. I'm wanting this to be spectacular, as it's kind of a sign of what I can do(since your sig will be like a bit sig art museum) so I'm being a bit more judgemental of it. It'll be within... the next week hopefully. :D

[Helenias Evenstar]

His studies are progressing slowly due to lack of the posting presence of Helenias

My Padawan, I have a lesson for you. It's named Meet Mr Force Pike, via being applied several times to the back of your head.

:angel

Your point is true however. I would love to be on more I would say. Works sucks and drains creativity :(

On another serious note, the idea is good. I would like to be in on it when the time comes if possible.

(I make note that my current Padawans and former Padawan appear to be scheming. I make note to watch out for pranks)

[Oriadin]

I blame Helen myself. Must be a bad influence ;)

[Evil Hobgoblin]

Helen: Plotting? Us? Naw, we wouldn't do that.

Saaaay. Would you like a chocolate covered pretzel? :D

[Sage Hazzard]

"Mallrats!" :lol (had to call it before someone else did)

[Sejah Haversh]

Well, Sejah is going to be arather interesting case on this Jedi Investigators team. Though he might be able to find evidence, he may have a very hard time spelling it....

In any case, I'm glad to see we prettymuch got the okay, and I realized that in one month, I'll have been a padawan for a full year. Just thought I'd share that useless fact.

And, look, I've got a new avatar!

[Chaos Alexander]

I like the idea myself. If I could get Alexander in there as a hackers and such I woudl be happy.

[Pierce Tondry]

Dude, that's an awesome avatar! I love it! :lol

At the moment, Jedi Investigators don't even exist IC. Buuut when things get rolling, I will be sure to open the floodgates to people who want to interact and possibly adopt a role.

[Marcus Telcontar]

OMG, WTF? Sejah that Avatar is just.... WTF!!!

[Sage Hazzard]

Marcus took the acronyms right out of my mouth. :lol

[Lion El' Jonson]

...I love acronyms...the military also seems to love acronyms...

But that avatar kicks ass, dude!

[Oriadin]

Todays WTF....

... Sejah's avatar.

I love it though :lol

[Lion El' Jonson]

Today gets enough WTF's as it is, what with that Iraqi Information Minister running around...:lol

[Kelt Simoson]

Hmm..

I think that it could be quite a good idea but i think that the sub-forum is not really needed due to the facts stated above, how ever if the individual wishes to RP such a char and be involved in such a venture then why not?...

Kelts a Jedi Crusader which is a mid way point between conventional Jedi and Warrior Jedi. If someone wanted to do a "Investigator Jedi" let them do so is what i say as long as it is kept within the normal Jedi code.

[Pierce Tondry]

A group-specific forum was never mentioned, yet it is amazing how many people thought I was implying that I would need one. What, does everyone think I waste space? :p

[James Prent]

PIERCE I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU WANT ANOTHER FORUM ADDED AND TO THE MAIN SWFANS PAGE NO LESS! WHAT ARE YOU THINKING YOU SPACE WHORE?!

;)

[Lion El' Jonson]

[i]SPACE WHORE?!

Ya' know, that could go either way...sorta makes it sound like Pierce hangs around Space Station Bars and offers ways for people to lose their money...

:lol