The Sweetest Thing?

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I tried to find a thread about this movie, but couldn't, so I'm starting one. I found lots of posts totally bashing this movie, but I have one question:

Did you like Dumb and Dumber better? Or, Billy Madison? Or Happy Gilmore? And if so, why? Because I have a theory.

[Sejah Haversh]

--EDIT--

Heh, suppose I should fully read the question next time before answering...

[Lilaena De'Ville]

o_O I was hoping to get an opinion here. :p

*shoos Sejah out of her thread*

j/k =D

[Jedieb]

I'm a big Cameron Diaz fan, but even I didn't like this movie. I didn't even watch the whole thing. It came on one Sat. night no HBO. My wife saw the whole thing. To put it bluntly, she thought it sucked. She loves romantic comedies, but she found that one to be neither romantic or very funny. The one scene I do remember is the one in which Diaz and Applegate are trying on clothes and imitating different movie stars. I stood there and didn't crack a smile. It just went over like a wet rag. The whole movie was like that for my wife. It simply didn't make her laugh.

[Daiquiri Van-Derveld]

None are my cup of tea when it comes to comedies but out of the choices given, I'll say Dumb and Dumber.

Whats your theory, LD?

[JMK]

Yeah! Make with the theory!

[Lilaena De'Ville]

ok ok! my theory is that people hate the thought of women doing a "gross-out" comedy. Which is what The Sweetest Thing was, imo.

Along the lines of such hailed comedies as "Billy Madison" and "Dumb and Dumber" (both with 'romantic' subplots), with sex jokes, innuendo (and right out saying it..I watched the unrated version of TST, so I'm not sure what the other version was..).

The only difference? Women.

We're the "sweet" ones. So, although its funny, and even perfectly acceptable for men to appear in a comedy like Dumb and Dumber (or even Ace Ventura), The Sweetest Thing finds only derision and :x from its viewers.

How sexist! Shouldn't those people who hate The Sweetest Thing ALSO hate the male comedies of the same genre?

[JMK]

Uhhh, haven't seen TST, so I wouldn't know. :p
;)

[Lilaena De'Ville]

That's no excuse!

;) Actually I'm just waiting for someone to tell me how horrible the movie is, and how its not to be compared with Dumb and Dumber or something like that. :D

[Marcus Telcontar]

Dumb and Dumber sucked.

[JMK]

I thought it was pretty funny at the time...

[Daiquiri Van-Derveld]

Lucille Ball and Carol Burnett are two of the greatest comedians ever, regardless of gender! I have no problem with a female doing a 'gross out' comedy as long as its well written.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Lucille Ball will never be in the same catagory as the actors and actresses in TST and Dumb and Dumber. Of course, Cameron Dias is a great actress, imo, but TST and say, "The Long Long Trailer" could never be compared.

And Daiq, you're a woman. I don't have a problem with it either, and I'm a woman. Coindidence? I think not. ;)

[Jedieb]

I just don't think the movie worked. It just wasn't funny. I asked my wife about it again last night. She thought it was poorly wrtten, the plot not particulary engaging, and just plain dull. From the few glimpses that I saw I just didn't see anything there to hold my interest for more than a couple of minutes. I love a good comedy, that just wasn't one of them IMO.

[James Prent]

That argument I can respect. :) I agree with it, also. I just heard this movie slammed up and down because it was so disgusting and horrible, and I really didn't see anything more disgusting than I saw in Billy Madison.

Both of which have poor plots. ;)

[imported_Grev Drasen]

Maybe it's because Cameron Diaz is looked at as a legitimate actor and Adam Sandler is... well, himself.

[JonathanLB]

Didn't you miss me? I really could have fired this argument up. Doh, haha, well now's my chance.

"Did you like Dumb and Dumber better? Or, Billy Madison? Or Happy Gilmore? And if so, why? "

Yes, I liked Dumb and Dumber, yes, Billy Madison is four stars, great comedy, Happy Gilmore is even better. Why? Because they were incredibly funny and well made, though only the first is a gross-out comedy. The funniest parts of the Sandler films are not gross at all, nor is anything Sandler has ever done actually gross. No, no, if you want gross out comedy, that's like American Pie, American Pie 2, Not Another Teen Movie, and ugg to Scary Movie and Scary Movie 2.

The Sweetest Thing is, quite amazingly, the most perverted, disgusting gross-out comedy I have ever seen and that amazes me because, wow, I thought I had seen it all.

Now I saw There's Something About Mary just last term, so like 4 months ago, and I thought for sure I would not like it. I mean I'm not huge into gross out comedy, I just like stuff that's funny (American Pie and AP2 are damn funny). Well I was surprised just how tame Mary is! I mean, there is NOTHING objectionable in that film besides the famous hair shot, and other than that... there is the zipper thing, which is kinda bad, but two things? Wow that is so tame compared to Scary Movie, let alone Scary Movie 2. On a scale of 1 to 10, Mary is a 3, Scary Movie an 8, and the sequel a 9.5 (Sweetest Thing is a 10).

I was absolutely appalled and disgusted with The Sweetest Thing. I saw that thing at a public screening, i.e. in theaters, and I wanted to just walk out because I was embarrassed to sit there and watch it. I felt dirty for being in the theater. I'd rather have been watching a porn, at least I'd get some gratification out of it and I'd know everyone else was there to see a porn too, but instead I get a really disgusting film that is supposed to be mainstream? That should be rated XXX, not even NC-17. Just NO anyone under 17 getting into it. At all. And no mainstream theaters playing it.

Oh yeah I really need to see a chick sucking a guy's weener and then getting it caught in her mouth, now that's fine filmmaking, gee I must be a total snob not to appreciate that! Shame on me. Or how about someone trying to lick a guy's, ahem, stuff off a coat. Ok I wanted to vommit.

I always knew Cameron Diaz is the slut of Hollywood, now I'm even more sure after the Vanilla Sky quote (great film, though) AND The Sweetest Thing.

I believe that I knocked The Sweetest Thing to #2 worst film of 2002 after The Rules of Attraction opened because it was more insulting, disgusting, and simply wrong than The Sweetest Thing, though whether or not it was more perverted, I don't actually remember. They were both such solid 10's that I tried to purge them from memory.

Anyone ever heard of "The Golden Mean"? There is a right amount of gore, a right amount of action, a right amount of gross-out gags that work perfectly, but too much just is terrible. I don't want to see a film with 100% action and absolutely no dialogue, like literally just a bunch of action woven together with cool editing. Granted it could maybe be a bit entertaining -- for 20 minutes, but it would be a disgraceful film. Much like The Sweetest Thing.

I can't believe you reminded me of this movie. Here I think it's going to be a light-hearted chick flick with some hot chicks in it, and probably won't be TOO unbearable, instead I find that it outdoes what the guys usually do best -- gross out comedy!

Frankly there's a reason why I don't watch Sex and the City -- I really don't want to know what girls talk about, or what guys think girls talk about, or what girls think guys think girls talk about or whatever, haha. I do not talk about disgusting stuff with my guy friends, I don't assume all girls talk about nasty stuff either, or at least I'd hope not and I would like to remain in my naive state because "ignorance is bliss," as Cypher says. When Ben and I talk, it's either about metaphysics, politics, or film. When Bryan and I talk, we literally have never talked about anything gross (only borderline inappropriate perhaps if he happens to mention that so and so and so and so just do it all of the time or something, which is PG-13 conversation), so generally for him and I it is film... or sports maybe... or... yeah. That's about it. Juan and I, sports, movies, also. Sean Cox and I, more intellectual film discussions (he is going to So. Cal. next year for film school).

Now if girls really talk about nasty stuff like these TV shows and The Sweetest Thing shows, hey, whatever, great, but I don't need to hear about it. Keep that stuff behind closed doors.

I'm a young adult who happens to believe that the days of the Hayes Production Code produced some of the finest films just BECAUSE they could not include sex scenes. It's better left implied and not shown, but today, that sad art of inference and subtle filmmaking is basically gone. People want to see it all, hear it all, they are too stupid to figure it out themselves evidently.

I mean, look at the murder scene that opens Fritz Lang's M (1931). You have this great shot of a shadow (Peter Lorre, great actor from Casablanca and The Maltese Falcon, too) as it just appears against a poster with a 10,000 mark reward for "the murderer" (and he is the murderer), with a girl bouncing a ball off the poster. We see neither the girl nor the murderer, just the shadow of the man and the ball bouncing. Then the shadow takes over the shot, the ball stops bouncing, and we know what happened. That's just great filmmaking. Now today, most directors would instead show you him stabbing her or something or taking her away and we'd get all this bloody, disgusting detail. Yes, we realize the great effects of the day, people, but we don't need to see them every single movie. I know what it looks like when a head blows up -- I saw Dawn of the Dead. Been there, done that. Back to filmmaking as art and a true craft, not just the ultimate striving for realism at the expense of class.

The Sweetest Thing is, in a nutshell, everything that is wrong with Hollywood right now. That is to say, there's not a HUGE deal wrong, but that's what is wrong.

[Saarrreeaa Meorrrei]

So what you're saying is, Yes its ok for guys, but girls need to be quiet, nice, and tend the kitchen?

;) I can read between the lines.

[JonathanLB]

That's right, now where's my milk and cookies biaaaatch?!

Haha, j/k. Of course not! LOL.

No guy gross out comedy is equally unacceptable if it's that gross, absolutely. I make no distinctions there, I hadn't even thought about that before this thread. Doesn't matter who makes the gross-out comedy, if it crosses the line, i.e. Scary Movie and its sequel, then I cannot endorse it. Although I didn't trash either SM or SM2 because, well, there are funny parts (Polly want a cracker? Then the exorcist takeoff at the start of SM2 I guess it is, jesus, that is so funny).

[Daiquiri Van-Derveld]

Ive seen worse movies than TST and to me one of them is Big Daddy. I found nothing humorous in the fact that he had the kid whizzing on walls, hawking lugies then sucking them back into his mouth. I wanted to puke.......and speaking of tossing cookies.......
Not a male that I know of would cover up puke with newspapers.

I like Adma Sadler when he sings, whether its with his guitar or as Opera Man.....and thats where it stops. I still havent found anything in his movies to allow me to enjoy them. Kind of like the Three Stooges. I guess lowbrow humor is mainly a guy thing.

[JMK]

The only Sandler movie that I can really get into is Happy Gilmore, the rest bore me quite a bit. I didn't mind Big Daddy, but that's it.

[Jedieb]

We talk about low brow movies with gross out humor and inevitably Adam Sandler gets mentioned. Who'd a thunk it? ;) The Waterboy is one of my favorite Sandler movies. It's unabashedly stupid and simple. But I can't help myself. Everytime he lays someone out I laugh. Still I'd rather watch the Stooges anyday. Moe, Larry, and Curly, is there anything these great man COULDN'T do?

[ReaperFett]

Maybe it's because Cameron Diaz is looked at as a legitimate actor and Adam Sandler is...
Someone who got a lot of acclaim for his acting in Punch Drunk Love? ;)


I generally dont enjoy all that American Pie style pap anyway. But one thing I've generally picked up along the way is that, IMO, too many female comedians follow the "men suck" style of jokes, with little else in the way of variety. And often, comedies that star women follow the same trend. So maybe the problem is that they dont try to do a film like Billy Maddison.

[Daiquiri Van-Derveld]

Moe, Larry, and Curly, is there anything these great man COULDN'T do?

Yes. Entertain me ;)

I did have a frightful nightmare years ago involving Moe but I wont go into that now :uhoh

[Turcyn Rorke]

Originally posted by ReaperFett
Someone who got a lot of acclaim for his acting in Punch Drunk Love? ;) I still fail to see the point where you prove he's a legitimate actor. He's a comedian, and he took on a role in a small independant film, big deal. Regardless he's known for his comedy and that will always be the same.

[ReaperFett]

We can count Carrey, why not Sandler?

[Turcyn Rorke]

We count Carey?

[Figrin D'an]

Originally posted by Turcyn Rorke
I still fail to see the point where you prove he's a legitimate actor. He's a comedian, and he took on a role in a small independant film, big deal. Regardless he's known for his comedy and that will always be the same.


People said the same thing about Robin Williams and Jim Carrey, but both have taken on major roles in dramatic films and have performed very well. We have yet to see what Sandler could potentially do in a serious role. Don't write him off yet.

[imported_Grev Drasen]

I'm not, I know he's probably capable of it. But I made that statement in response to the original question of this thread, why people seemed to be disgusted with TST and not so much with some of Sandler's films.

He's a comedian, Diaz isn't. That's my theory.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Cameron Diaz has been in several very hilarious movies. She was even in "Something About Mary" for crying out loud.

She was never a stand up comedian, however, so I see your point.

[JonathanLB]

"Kind of like the Three Stooges. I guess lowbrow humor is mainly a guy thing."

Umm... let me just quote my film teacher, Jon Lewis, one of the most knowledgeable, acclaimed, well-viewed movie historians in the nation (editor of Film Journal):

"Anyone with any taste in anything likes the Stooges."

That is a direct quote that I wrote in my notes. I thought it was funny, but true. Come on, you can't like comedy and not like the Stooges. They have a few inferior, stupid episodes, some jokes don't work, others are genius. They are just great slapstick artists, man some of those episodes are really intelligent, actually, very well done humor.

Microphone is hilarious, Men in Black (1934) is funny, Woman Hater's is classic, there are so many great Stooges episodes.

I do not endorse Lewis's comment, but ironically, and I found this funny because I have been accussed of this, Lewis will say things like this a lot. He says that if you like movies at all, you like Out of the Past. You'd have to have no taste in American film not to like that movie, he says. I accept such a comment because, frankly, that film is a masterpiece, but it's the type of blanket statement that ticks people off, lol, so I always laugh when he says something like that. I just find it funny that a 45-year-old guy or whatever often says stuff like "Anyone who doesn't like..." or "Everyone who doesn't like... " or "You just don't have taste if you don't like ..." etc. His opinions are often stated as facts, but it's a flaw I forgive because he is a great film scholar. Really knowledgeable. I mean he'll say stuff I totally disagree with, like he disses Patch Adams a lot for no reason (I mean he will literally be talking about an entirely unrelated subject and will be like, "French New Wave is a very important movement, PATCH ADAMS SUCKS, err, I mean Francois Truffaut begun it with The 400 Blows though Godard was really the most significant player," or something like that). He also claims Citizen Kane is hugely influential (agreed, duh) but not very enjoyable, a statement I totally disagree with -- I really, really love Citizen Kane and found it very enjoyable.

On the plus side, Lewis mentions Star Wars a lot, ALWAYS positively, and seems to have a very positive impression of the movies. In my book, he gets a thumbs up. :)

[Denali Gue]

"Anyone with any taste in anything likes the Stooges."

I have one thing to say that.............Pfffftt!


:)

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I just thought of another movie I found hilarious: BASEketball.

We also as a society often love such shows as South Park, where it isn't women, but children who perpetrate the hilarity. Granted, they aren't real kids, but is it any surprise that women are following men into the fields of disgusting humor?

And then we complain about it, say that the movie had no plot, and that we have better things to do with our time than watch a girl get stuck on a piercing, and yet, aren't we all as consumers responsible for what movies are made?

Someone out there enjoyed the movie. Someone thought, "this movie needs to be made, because just look at the market out there for movies like this!"

I didn't paticularly enjoy The Sweetest Thing, I just think its hypocritical as a society to blame the actors/actresses who are just doing their job. Blame instead ourselves, who have filled the pockets of those filmmakers and producers who consistantly 'push the envelope.'

How far is too far?

[JonathanLB]

THAT was too far, and I think most customers voted that way by not seeing the damn thing in theaters.

The actresses are to blame because they accepted the project. They should show a little taste and class.

You won't see me directing pornos just because someone throws a few bucks my way. I will direct only movies that I want history to remember me for doing, no useless disgusting crap like The Sweetest Thing.

It's one thing as a director to start out doing music videos or commercials, no harm in that, it's a good way to get experience, but anyone who would take a check for The Sweetest Thing and really decide to do that movie has to be sick.

[CMJ]

Eh, most director's have made a few missteps in their careers.

[JonathanLB]

Yes, and any director should expect to make mistakes, but it's one thing to make a mistake and another to knowingly make a mistake, lol.

If you make an experimental project and it fails to work, you are just like, "Eh, oh well, that didn't work as I wanted." It's another to accept a project you know is going to be utter crap because "it puts food on the table." I don't care about that, I'd rather be a respectable film critic or a respectable 7-11 worker than a rich and idiotic director remembered only because of the sheer ineptitude of my work :)

I'd rather not be remembered at all than be remembered like Ed Wood, as the single WORST director of all time. I have no idea how one man gets the dubious title of worst director ever, but I still laugh every time I think of those words, "Ed Wood." LOL, jesus. What a distinction.

I still have to see some of his movies, just to say I have truly seen the work of a "genius," lol.

My film horror book, by Robert Sklar I believe it is, has a sentence where it says something like, "Much like in Plan 9 From Outer Space, by Ed Wood, who is widely considered the worst director of all time." Hahahaha, god.

[CMJ]

Ed Wood films are greatness personified in their sheer ineptitude. It's literally mindblowing how bad they are. Speaking of which...watch Tim Burton's 'Ed Wood'. A fantastic picture.

Making ANY film is a miracle, even a poorly made one. That's one of the reasons why I almost always sit through all the credits everytime I see a film in the theatre.

[Jedieb]

The 3 Stooges are HYSTERICAL! They're also a prime example of how men and women can take two diametrically opposed viewpoints. Of course you'll always find the occasional woman who thinks Curly should have run for President. Just as you find the occasional man who doesn't find the Stooges funny. (These are the same kind of guys who go to Cher concerts and comment on all the outfits she wore during the show. In other words, men I stay as far away from as possible!)

I can be watching the Stooges and laughing so hard my side hurts and my wife will walk into the room and not crack a smile. Just like I don't get how 4 hour shoe shopping death marches are suppose to be "fun," she doesn't understand why Shemp is a travesty to all of mankind. This has nothing to do with intelligence or taste. It's just that I think Moe and a ballpine hammer are pure comedic gold. :)

[James Prent]

Ah but you sidestepped my opinion!! Aren't the consumers to blame, ultimately, for the movies that are made?

We need more films like MBFGW, The Rookie, and Ben Hur, and less movies like Titanic, and The Sweetest Thing.

[Jedieb]

Some would argue that Titanic was a good movie. Oscar voters, millions of movie goers in every single country it was released, a few critics, people who enjoy watching Leo die, etc... ;)

[Figrin D'an]

Originally posted by James Prent
Ah but you sidestepped my opinion!! Aren't the consumers to blame, ultimately, for the movies that are made?

Do we, as society, then get to take credit for the great films that are made? ;)





We need more films like MBFGW, The Rookie, and Ben Hur, and less movies like Titanic, and The Sweetest Thing.


I actually wouldn't like to see this, for the same reasons that I have shyed away from many of the late '90s/early '00s slew of teen gross-comedies and am skeptical of the coming onslaught of superhero films. It quickly becomes old hat. One film starts to clone another in basic plot structure, characters, storyline... I liked MBFGW, but it's a "one-and-done" film... I hope no one attempts to latch onto the coat tails for more money (although it's too late, in terms of TV).

Although I hardly classify Ben-Hur with MBFGW or The Rookie...

[CMJ]

I too must add...what's wrong with 'Titanic'? :p

[Diego Van Derveld]

Aside from sucking?

[CMJ]

That's your opinion. :p

But the way Holly phrased the statement it seemed as though she found something objectionable about it. Like it was a gross our comedy or something.

[JonathanLB]

hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

"Aside from sucking?"

BEST quote of the week right there. Give that the award. :)

"We need more films like MBFGW, The Rookie, and Ben Hur, and less movies like Titanic, and The Sweetest Thing."

Hey, no objection from me...

The Rookie is a great film, well, bottom end of great, but A- to me. Ben-Hur *drool* one of my favorite revenge stories, the ultimate epic.

I think I would honestly put Ben-Hur above Lawrence of Arabia, and anyways Ben-Hur is way underrated and underranked on that AFI list. It deserves to be top 25 anyway. I'm not quite sure I understand their placement of it, but oh well.

Revenge stories are the ultimate. I just get warm and fuzzy inside thinking about them, even Payback. Haha ;)

I've not seen enough, though, surely there must be way more I haven't watched from the past. It's just not easy to find a list like that, it's not like comedies, where you type, "Greatest Comedies" and find lists. You don't just type, "Greatest movies about revenge... and stuff" and hope to find anything ;)

[CMJ]

"Titanic" was an important film for me. When I saw it I was a Film Major, but was having second thoughts, the semester(my 3rd in college) had just ended. I was at a crossroads.

The film blew me away. It was the kind of film that *I* wanted to make. "Titanic" solidified my goals of trying to get into this buisness. It was nearly a perfect film in my eyes, and I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for it.

[JonathanLB]

Nearly perfect?! You mean except from the dialogue and acting, right?

I mean technically speaking, it is an amazing film, I think, except for the fake CG. I was not a fan of any CG shots in that film really, but the actual, physical shots of the boat breaking are stunningly realistic and incredible. Much of the movie is so fine in detail that you can really tell what a great touch Cameron has with that type of thing. He always has been great at that. I would not say Cameron is a great director for dialogue, though. Although I think Terminator 2 has very good dialogue, some memorable lines, it's just not that spectacular in that sense. The film is still awesome, one of my favorite sci-fi movies.

I give four stars to much of Cameron's work, from Aliens, The Abyss, and Terminator to True Lies, even. Titanic, though, falls short with some very sappy dialogue and romantic nonsense that is right from a lousy romance novel. Nonetheless, technically stunning achievement and Horner IS a great composer. His musical score is magnificent.

It is good that it was an important film for you, CMJ. There are only so many of those in a lifetime...

Although I am glad I am not you -- I don't want to have my dream to be making a $180 million movie or I might die an unhappy man! ;) Haha, I'm just kiddin' you. Still, the kinds of movies I want to make, some of them, would honestly be like sub-$5 million productions, but I can see making expensive movies eventually. It's just that very few people get to make a Titanic, and even Cameron had to give up his directing fee for it, though he was fairly compensated later ;)

[CMJ]

I don't necessarily mean the budget too(when I mentioned it was the kind of film I wanted to make). I doubt I'd ever be THAT 'A' list. Though one of my screenplays WOULD cost a fortune if it was ever made. I don't know, 'Titanic' was just magic to me(acting and dialogue very much included).

Let's not debate the merits of the film again Jonathan. That's soooo '99. ;)

If you remember the very first discussion we ever had you flamed me rather harshly for defending the film. I refuse to get into that again.

[Diego Van Derveld]

Titanic is about on par with Pearl Harbor. It takes a moving, epic story of a major crossroads event in history...


...then injects a gratuitous romance story into it, pissing all over its effect. In both these movies, the actual bits of relevance are window dressing. Who cares about the boat...so long as Rose and Jack love each other :x

[CMJ]

IMHO, the romance in 'Titanic' really worked. On the same token the one in PH did not. Formula's work sometimes(for some people) and other times they fall flat.

Again this is all IMHO.

[Daiquiri Van-Derveld]

Well put, CMJ. :)

I think PH would have been a much better film without the love story. I rather thought the girlfriend to be somewhat 'easy', going from one best friend to the other and back again. Tacky.

I will agree that some of the dialogue was weak and that a time or two, I found myself wanting Rose to go down with ship and Jack but overall it was a very good movie, one that I own and will watch again in the months to come.

[JonathanLB]

Still, PH is WAY better than Titanic.

Give me an epic war film with stunning visual effects over a stupid love story any day.

Love stories suck -- it never happens that way anyway.

Haha, j/k.

Actually I have before argued, and will continue to argue, that romance is not a genre of film. Romantic comedy is a genre of film. A romance film is simply a romantic comedy without comedy, therefore a failed romantic comedy, thus not a good movie.

You can't make a movie with just a romance and nothing else, or it won't work. Ever. It must be funny, or it must take place amidst a tragedy or a historical backdrop of some sort, or in a sci-fi setting, and almost every story has a romance in it, but a movie that is just a romance is a soap opera and soap operas are crap. Crap. Crap. Crap.

[Diego Van Derveld]

Actually...I thought Titanic was a bit better than Pearl Harbor, sad to say. Both were crappy love stories.

[Admiral Lebron]

At least Pearl Harbor had lotta crap blowing up. Titanic... buncha 'too clean to be actual poor people' dancing happily.

[Daiquiri Van-Derveld]

*blows Lebron up* Happy? ;)

If Titanic were just a 'made up' movie, Id tend to agree more with Charley and JLB. But it's not. While the love story wasnt historical, what happened to the ship and the lives lost, was.

*pokes at Charley's eyes and bops Lebron on the top of the head*

Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk

:p

[JonathanLB]

Yes, but who cares about 1,500 people who died 100 years ago? As my shirt says, "THE BOAT SANK. GET OVER IT!" Seriously, get over it, how retarded would you have to be to sit through an idiotic romance movie like 10 times as some of these 12 year old girls did. Oh yeah, wait, I just answered my own question. You'd have to be a girl and you'd have to be 12. Any guy 12 years old would at least have the common sense only to see good movies like Star Wars over and over again, not pure schlock like Titanic. lol.

I'm j/k, Titanic isn't that bad. Really it's a well made film, but the love story smells. Bad.

"At least Pearl Harbor had lotta crap blowing up. Titanic... buncha 'too clean to be actual poor people' dancing happily."

Yes, exactly. The one shot where that bomb is dropping from the sky and you follow it with that birds-eye-view is STUNNING, one of the coolest shots I've ever seen. There is a lot to like about Pearl Harbor.

The love triangle is not one of them. :D

[Diego Van Derveld]

Titanic had its own share of visually impressive moments. Neither portrayed what they were supposed to be about effectively. They were sad backdrops, so that the writers could sneak in a gratuitous storyline that had little to do with anything. Don't bash Titanic and let Pearl get off the hook. Titanic did its job more effectively. Backdrop as it was, Pearl's story was full of glaring inaccuracies. Also, I'm infuriated at the movie, because with a trailer as good as Pearl Harbor had (literally drew tears), it stunk so horribly bad. One blase' scene of a divebomber does not a good movie make...at all!

[Jedi Master Carr]

The best sequence in PH was the battle that was amazing and moving but the problem was you had to wait like 2 hours before it happened the story before it dragged, IMO. Also I am curious what inaccurices do you mean? I can think of a few before and after though I thought most of the battle itself was accurate.

[Diego Van Derveld]

The american volunteer corps in the battle of britain

And having Admiral Kimmel seem so....on top of the situation.

Also, the pyro done was generally of that "typical hollywood style" where everything explodes in generic, billowy fireballs.

[Jedi Master Carr]

After you say the fireball thing I understand what you mean, but that is hollywood and I expect that to some degree. The other two things I completely understand especially about Kimmell I did think they did a good job explaining the Japanesse position at least why they attacked Pearl Harbor, of course they wouldn't have been in that position if it wasn't for the Tyrant Tito.

[JonathanLB]

There were really only two significant, major flaws in Pearl Harbor to me.

First, the love triangle was idiotic. I don't need a simple love triangle, ok, I'm not stupid, I want to see HISTORY, that is INTERESTING to smart people, but no, they had to appeal to the mass of idiots out there with an equally moronic love story that appeals only to the most base of audiences.

Next, they tried to do too much. You can't show the whole war in one movie. It's not possible. World War II has elicited hundreds of movies, and probably about 50 of which are actually really good to great, so you need to pick something and focus on that. Few movies succeed while trying to cover too much ground. I thought the ending to PH was tacked on, even though it was in and of itself well done, it didn't fit with the whole, not to me anyway.

With our modern technology, I would love to see a series of World War II films that really could cover the entire war, historically accurate as possible, and maybe there would be a trilogy of ones, like LOTR-length, three-hour films. That might be an incredible project, epic in scale, very popular if done well by a director who knew what he was doing and with talented casts. It'd be a tough sell perhaps, though. I am not sure.

[Sanis Prent]

With our modern technology, I would love to see a series of World War II films that really could cover the entire war, historically accurate as possible

Band of Brothers. Its already been done. Look no further.

The story is quite possibly the most historically accurate and truthful story ever put onto film. Researched to the Nth degree. I've scoured it, looking for holes. There aren't many, if there are any at all. Follows the 506th Regiment, 2nd Battalion Easy Company, of the 101st Airborne, from the unit's formation and training in the summer of 1942, to the end of the war in August 1945. 10 episodes, roughly about 11 hours long, in total.

To be blunt, you just can't beat the story for what it is, which is a powerful, unblinking recount of one of the most celebrated fighting units in the entire ETO.

[JonathanLB]

Well I see what you mean, I haven't watched that yet.

I was thinking, though, something more worldwide, almost like montage style filmmaking, hehe, covering Russia's struggles, the war in Germany, fights in Africa, the battle for the Pacific, all of that stuff. Maybe even events leading up to World War II, like various developments in Germany and then in other countries.

Of course that would be so incredibly extensive that it probably just couldn't be done, but with some remarkable editing I think it might be possible. The problem is making it accessible to normal people.

I watched October last weekend, a 1927 Sergei Eistenstein soviet formalist film, and it's very, very tough to follow as an American in 2003. I ended up consulting my encyclopedia Britannica and writing a lot of Russian history into my review of the film to make sense of it all and try to explain what is going on. I learned a lot from seeing it, though, and the research I did.

This is why I love my film writing because just seeing these movies alone really isn't good enough. The research I do aside from seeing them is probably 65% of the experience and knowledge I gain. Just watching the movies is of limited value if I can't understand their historical context or what they are supposed to have been important in achieving.

I'd love to watch Band of Brothers, at some point. I really should.

[Diego Van Derveld]

To do what you are asking would be quite impossible.

I have a book that attempts to do so, giving the events of each day from 1939 to 1945. It weighs 50 pounds.

[James Prent]

I realize I stuck Titanic and Ben Hur in with a tiny list of movies that seem to not even be on the same level.

But...if we can put millions of dollars into an okay movie with a crappy love story today...why can't se do what used to happen? Ben Hur, a brilliant movie which I adore, with a cast of thousands, is rated G. Granted, it is a G rating from many years ago, probably about a PG by today's standards.

The Rookie, and MBFGW, both family friendly fare. MBFGW did tremendously well at the box office. I don't think that a billion knock off movies about Greeks will do well at all, but I do think its time that the story driven, family friendly fare got a little more attention from the Hollywood titans.

[JonathanLB]

It's truly a rare talent in today's movie industry to be able to make a good PG rated film.

Only Lucas and Pixar seem to be able to do that, and Lucas made Pixar, lol.

Disney is hit and miss, with too many misses lately, but last year was solid. Lilo and Stitch and Treasure Planet were both good.

I would not mind at all if studios would tone down the sex in films and aim for PG-13 ratings, that would be nice, but I'd rather it come from the artists than from studio tinkering.

As for violence, if a film is rated R for violence, let it stand. That's not what bothers me. You got great masterpieces like Face/Off, The Killer, and whatever else with tons of violence. It's just necessary in some types of films. The sex scenes are not. You can imply it very well without actually needing to show anything. Or you can even show it but without showing anything, i.e. sheets covering everything relevant, don't gives us any details, etc.

If you want porn, go find a Fantasy Adult Video. Or just stick to the net. lol.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Violence is one thing. Gratuitous sex scenes with no basis in the story really make me mad. When its a movie that is ok for most audiences, and then it seems like they add curse words and sex just to get a rating. Because consumers seem to be more apt to watch a PG-13 than a PG movie.

Which is better than it used to be. Now that movie theatres are cracking down on R rated admissions (or are supposed to be) the movies don't make as much money, becuase their audiences, the under 17 crowd, can't get into them. Which is good. IMO.

[JonathanLB]

I am not for government censorship. Although the industry polices itself, they do it under pressure from Congress and the government, so it's coerced anyway.

I would rather the parents have to police their own kids, as it should be, not having some damn government or some damn big industry agency (the same thing, really) tell people what to do. It's so ridiculous that if you are 16 and have permission from your parents, that doesn't matter, they still won't let you in. I say that's BS. I am glad kids just sneak in often times anyway. It's just more idiocy on the part of the U.S. as far as I'm concerned.

I should have been able to see any movie I wanted whenever I wanted because my parents would have had to drop me off at the theater anyway. Now for the kids who could sneak around their parents, so be it, if the parents can't take their job of parenting seriously, then that's their problem, shouldn't be all of our problem just because of idiotic rating systems.

Those rating systems should exist to help parents. They should be recommended only, not required.

[CMJ]

Originally posted by James Prent
I realize I stuck Titanic and Ben Hur in with a tiny list of movies that seem to not even be on the same level.


No kidding. ;)


Originally posted by James Prent
But...if we can put millions of dollars into an okay movie with a crappy love story today...why can't se do what used to happen? Ben Hur, a brilliant movie which I adore, with a cast of thousands, is rated G. Granted, it is a G rating from many years ago, probably about a PG by today's standards.


Eh your opinion. I enjoyed the heck out of the much maligned love story in "Titanic". Apparently ALOT of people did(and not just 12 year old girls c'mon). Your other point...a PG rating vs a PG-13 rating for epics. Geez "Gladiator" was rated 'R'...and was an epic. I find it very worthwhile too. :p



Originally posted by James Prent
The Rookie, and MBFGW, both family friendly fare. MBFGW did tremendously well at the box office. I don't think that a billion knock off movies about Greeks will do well at all, but I do think its time that the story driven, family friendly fare got a little more attention from the Hollywood titans.

I agree with you to a degree. Though if MBFGW has already spawned a lousy sitcom, I'm not sure I could deal with a trand developing. Usually the first film in a "new" trend is the best, and the rest go in the tank.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I never manage to say exactly what I'm thinking. I think its because my thoughts get all jumbled together in my head.

I am not for government censorship. I agree that parents shoudl take a more active role in choosing what they deem appropriate for their kids. (Of course, then parents actually have to care what their kids see.)

Epics that are rated R for violence are okay in my book. I loved Gladiator. I also enjoyed Titanic, although I see the "problems" with it that everyone else loves to hate.

I guess it all comes back to I hate it that people just don't seem to care what their kids watch anymore. I wish that only "good" movies would be made and marketed to kids, but as that's not going to happen, I wish that ALL parents would take an active role in what their kids see.

It really pains me to go to a movie that is appropriate for ME (a 23 yr old) and find someone there with a gaggle of 12-13 yr old kids. And even those that drag their 3 year olds to R rated movies, just because they can't find a babysitter. >_< Pet peeve, sorry.

[CMJ]

I saw a few 'R' rated films as a young lad. I don't think I turned out too warped. ;) Given the right parents I don't necessarily find it that terrible for kids to see grown up films.

[Sanis Prent]

Amen CMJ, voice of reason.

I really can't abide all this legislation in entertainment. If parents would grow spines, and set some kind of actual discipline in their household, this would all be unnecessary. I've watched R rated stuff all my life, but I've been raised in a very active household, where I have had values instilled in me from an extremely young age. I've never let the movies raise me as an auxilliary parent. I don't see why its so hard to return this responsibility to Mom and Dad. Joe Lieberman needs to call off the dogs, and spend our tax dollars on things that are worth a damn.

[CMJ]

Originally posted by Sanis Prent
Amen CMJ, voice of reason.


I guess we occasionally agree eh? ;) I saw 'Witness' in the theatre when I was awfully young. It was somewhat violent at the beginning and end(it got an 'R' rating, though I think it was on the lower theshold) and it did scare me. My folks talked about it afterwards with my brother and I. We weren't scarred by any stretch.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I agree with you CMJ I saw plenty of R rated films movies like Die Hard, and such and I didn't go shooting up schools in high schools, I am surprised though the complaints about sex, I am sure Dutchy could comment on this. I know in Europe its the opposite violence is considered wrong. I don't have a problem with them in film as long as fits the story.

[Sanis Prent]

The last vestiges of a dying victorian standard :p

[CMJ]

It IS wierd that here sex on screen is so taboo where violence is not. It's just something I've always been puzzled about. I'd think kids would be more scarred by violent films than by seeing a breast or two. :p

Especially since eventually MOST people do have sex. Thankfully the same can't be said about driving down the highway unloading a shotgun.

[Sanis Prent]

Well...I hit my sister at a very young age. We get in fights far more often than we get involved in sexual situations. While its more rare and extreme to carry it to the "full level", I'd say violence is a far more common and mundane experience for a moviegoer than sex. After all, most have to wait 12-13 years for "the birds and the bees" ;)

[CMJ]

:lol I was thinking more of the "real" violence(i.e. Guns, death, destruction), but your point is well taken.

[Jedi Master Carr]

:lol I would hope you don't act with your sister in that way. I think its close between violence and sex, I think sex is more natural at least I think its a more postive thing than violence.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Originally posted by CMJ
I saw a few 'R' rated films as a young lad. I don't think I turned out too warped. ;)

A matter of opinion. ;)


Given the right parents I don't necessarily find it that terrible for kids to see grown up films.

Agreed. Parents should know their kids and what is appropriate for them. They should also be willing to talk over the movies with their kids afterwards.

My mom is the type that we were overly protected. But I'd rather be over protected than just let loose to do whatever I wanted. (of course now I wish she'd stop! :lol) Parental love is about making boundries for kids. It isn't loving to let your kid play in the street, it IS loving to stop him from playing in the street.

[CMJ]

My home was a mix I suppose. I never even had a curfew for example. Of course it didn't matter, I always came home early anyways.

[JMK]

I had quite a few rules, and I rarely broke them, but if I knew I was going to be out later than my curfew, then I made other arrangements and got a later curfew. Now my curfew is all the way to 10pm!:p

[Diego Van Derveld]

I've never had a curfew. I'm extremely responsible about time management (usually ^_^; ). Come to think of it, I've only been grounded once in my life.

[CMJ]

I think I only got grounded twice for bad grades, not anything more severe that that.

[JMK]

I was grounded when I was 14 for getting totally wasted @ my friends while they were out of town. The grounding consisted of not going to that particular person's house for 2 weeks.

[Diego Van Derveld]

My mom and sister walked in on me and my friends at a panama city hotel room. On the dresser was a 4 foot tall pyramid of empty beer cans, 2 beer funnels, 2 empty handles of Jim Beam, 20 empty Jack cocktail coolers, 2 unopened cases of beer, and 6 various bottles of other liquor.We were at the table, drinking tallboy long islands and doing shots of everclear, while playing poker with a porno deck.

That, ladies and gents, is BUSTED.

[CMJ]

Originally posted by Diego Van Derveld
while playing poker with a porno deck.



That is the topper. ;)

[Diego Van Derveld]

The highlight of that vacation was my evil invented drinking game called "The 21 gun salute". At the crack of dawn, we'd wake up, and break out the funnel, going outside on the balcony. On my mark, the first guy would load a funnel and go at it. While he did so, the second guy would pop the top on his can, and the third guy would grab a can. Once the funnel man "fired" the head out of the funnel, it was passed to the next man, and the process repeated. 7 minutes, 7 beers a person, 21 in total.

Its beautiful :)

We even hit a few pedestrians...gold!

[Figrin D'an]

My parents generally balanced the discipline and rules aspects of my childhood and teenage years. I was never grounded for anything, but was punished appropriately if I did something wrong. Mostly, that was in my young childhood (under 10). Beyond that, my parents demonstrated a trust in me to handle myself in a manner applicable to my upbringing. In return, I did my best to act in an appropriate manner. It worked quite well. I never really had a curfew, my parents just wanted to know where I would be, who I'd be with, and to call when I had a good idea of when I'd be home.

Granted, that philosophy doesn't work with everyone. It really depends upon the personality of the kid. Some require a more stern hand. Others can handle various levels of freedom and responsibility.


To hit an earlier topic:

I didn't care for Titanic that much, but it's better than Peal Harbor, IMO.

Pearl Harbor sucked. I can't stand that film.

[JMK]

I can handle the 45 minute battle, but that's about it. It's a crappy movie. But the DVD itself is top-notch.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I can't even remember ever being spanked as a child. My older sister on the other hand, was spanked. I was/am so timid that my parents just had to give me "the look" and I would burst into tears. They got the desired result (regret and obedience) without having to spank me.

I've never been grounded, and I always had a curfew but it never mattered because I never went anywhere until I moved out.

[JMK]

I got spanked, that's for damn sure. But thinking back, I certainly deserved it!

[Jedieb]

My mom and sister walked in on me and my friends at a panama city hotel room. On the dresser was a 4 foot tall pyramid of empty beer cans, 2 beer funnels, 2 empty handles of Jim Beam, 20 empty Jack cocktail coolers, 2 unopened cases of beer, and 6 various bottles of other liquor.We were at the table, drinking tallboy long islands and doing shots of everclear, while playing poker with a porno deck.

That, ladies and gents, is BUSTED.


:lol
That reminds me of one of my favorite Panama City stories. I was staggering around the room one night when I bumped into the beeramid we'd been building all week. This thing was a massive construction that any Egyptian would envy. Everyone in the room turned around in horror at what I'd done. What did I do? I quickly turned to one my best friends and said; "What the hell have you done Weinstein? LET'S GET HIM!" We then proceeded to wrestle him to the ground and pile on top of him. Luckily for me Mike was too hammered to realize he HADN'T knocked the beeramid over. Man I miss college.... :(

On a parental note, I introduce my son to beheadings and shootings the old fashioned way, with Lightsabers and Blasters! He's going to get exposed to it eventually so it might as well get done the RIGHT way! I think we'll watch Mace's handiwork this afternoon.... :smokin

[CMJ]

Based largely on the debate posed by this thread...I watched "The Sweetest Thing" today. Man it was pretty damn bad. I laughed a handful of times(mostly for about 5 minutes right around the wedding), but mostly the jokes went over like a wet blanket.

I didn't find anything TOO objectionable gross out wise(I think I mighta rolled my eyes a time or two), it was just lame. Not quite the ZERO rating that Jonathan gave it, since it wasn't appalling, but still really poor.

One star out of four.

[JonathanLB]

Well I agree CMJ, the movie blew, but you must have a high threshold indeed my friend to tolerate all that without saying it is too appalling! lol. I have never seen anything so disgusting outside of porn. Err, I mean, since I've never watched porn, of any kind, I have never seen anything more disgusting! :D

Jedieb, that is pretty hilarious. Same with the other stories here.

I think I had a few spankings but my parents never believed in that really. They found other ways to punish me, hehe. I was a terrible little kid, really impossible. I think the movie "anger management" was named after what I needed as a kid, haha. By the time I was a teenager, though, or really more like when I was 11 or 12, I was very easy to get along with and never really created any problems. I never have had a curfew in my entire life, unlike my sister (who violates it from time to time and gets in big trouble), and I've never been grounded even for a day. That's because I've never done anything bad really, not gone to many parties, etc. I have stayed out many times until 3 or 4 a.m. with Bryan, like one time when we went to go visit Rachel (those were the days -- BEFORE he had a girlfriend, lol) and hang out in her pool for a few hours and whatnot. My mom didn't care. I mean she knows she can trust me, whereas my sister has proven she is not trustworthy. She lies about everything, always has, doesn't seem to have a moral compass whatsoever, and can't keep her word. At least I always tell my parents where I'm going. Heck I told them last summer I was going with Ben to Sean Cox's house and we were going to drink, LOL. Not like it mattered. I got pretty hammered that night, which was lame, because I didn't even have much. It was one of those already-not-feeling-well-and-still-deciding-to-drink nights. Whoops. But it wasn't bad, just a close call. Spent a little quality time, maybe 45 minutes, in the bathroom, but nothing happened luckily, haha.

...and that was the last time I ever had enough to drink to make me feel bad, hehe. Don't anticipate that happening again. It won't be a big deal when I turn 21, that's for sure. With my luck it'll be right in the middle of finals week, as it seems to be at OSU always, and I'll be studying and nobody will even remember :(

Oh well, you guys remembered last December! Haha, that is more than I can say about some of my real life friends. Bryan did, though.

[CMJ]

To be honest Jonathan...I didn't think TST was any worse than some other gross out comedies - gross out wise anyways. Sure a few gags were a bit out there...but all of these films have stuff like that.

The problem was, the jokes for the most part were just NOT funny.

[JonathanLB]

I agree, the jokes were not funny at all. The movie simply wasn't funny.

But I don't know what gross-out movies you've seen before, because I have never seen any one of them show a chick giving a guy head and then getting her tongue ring caught or whatever, and I've never seen any other gross-out movie with jizz on clothing and then someone licking it, that has NEVER been done before, I know that for a fact. Not in any mainstream, R-rated or less film. There is no way. American Pie may be a grossout movie, sure, but did they ever actually SHOW something really gross? Not really. They just hint at some rather disturbing things, superglue hand to dick, etc. Screwing a pie, lol, but at least you really never see anything that disturbing.

I nearly gave Sweetest Thing 1/2 star just for the Star Wars reference. lol, j/k. That movie blew.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

For one thing, they didn't show her giving him head. I would put TST and American Pie at the same grossout wise.

Maybe you need to watch some porn so you know what it is you're comparing it to.

[Sorus]

I second the motion.

[ReaperFett]

Shouldnt you give reccomendations LD? ;)

[Diego Van Derveld]

Farmer's Daughters do Vegas. Classic :)

[JonathanLB]

"I would put TST and American Pie at the same grossout wise."

Yeah, RIIIIIGHT! LOL, oh my god. Not even CLOSE. NOT. EVEN. CLOSE.

LV et al, is the subtle art of sarcasm lost on you or are you just joking around?

You think I am 20 years old and never seen porn in my life, even though I run several Websites and am online constantly?

I will not make any further statements besides that. Believe what you will, but 120 gig hard drives hold a lot more than just MP3's. LOL, j/k

[James Prent]

The Luckiest Patient in the World comes to mind, only because its the only name I've ever heard. :o

:p

[JonathanLB]

Debbie Does Dallas.

Haha, j/k. We went into the adult section, Bryan and I, of the Virgin Megastore in Las Vegas once and laughed at all the various titles. It was pretty ridiculous.

We just debated the ethics of porn or whatever in my PHL 205 (ethics) class last week. One time we had this group of guys, it just so happened, and we were supposed to discuss some part of the topic. Now that was funny, I mean obviously there wasn't a guy in our 7-person group who was clueless, lol.

[James Prent]

So you admit that you lied!!

*GASP OF HORROR*

You know the fact that a Virgin store has a porn section is pretty funny to me.

[JonathanLB]

I had not thought about it, but you are right. VIRGIN megastore is loaded with porn.

I didn't admit that I lied, I admit that I wasn't being entirely truthful. ;)

"I did not have sex with that woman!" 'Nuff said. The president taught me his values and I'm just practicing them like a good American.

[James Prent]

Sex is more than intercourse. :)

He should have said "I did not have intercourse with that woman."

But that's beside the point. If you've seen a porn (which you still aren't entirely admitting...maybe just naughty pictures on your harddrive eh?) then you would know the difference between TST and porn. It is great and vast.

Of course I am scarred from seeing Eleroo banging Selma Blair. :cry

[JonathanLB]

I know it is vast, but not that vast, honestly. In that I mean that if I walked in to the theater and they happened to accidently play a porn, I wouldn't be much more embarrassed than I was while watching The Sweetest Thing. I felt like leaving the theater just because it was so insulting and disgusting.

If I was watching a full on porn in a theater I would probably get the idea that everyone else in the theater is pretty weird to be at a porno theater, so it would be like, "Well these are the weird people, fine," but at a REAL theater when you go see a movie as disgusting as TST and people laugh at that perversion, I couldn't help but think, "There is no hope for humankind. This slippery slope is going to continue until we are really watching porno scenes in our movies." Ugg, that movie was a life-shattering experience.

Let me tell you, it's a wonder what you can download with a cable modem. ;)

[Diego Van Derveld]

This thread is making me hot & bothered (again)

[James Prent]

There wasn't even a serious sex scene in the movie, how is it like a porn?!

C'mon she was banging a Wuzzle for crying out loud....you can't even DO that through a costume.

[JonathanLB]

lol, what on earth are you talking about?

I have no idea.

It was like a porno because I shouldn't be subjected to seeing jizz in my Hollywood movies. That's just disgusting.

[ReaperFett]

lol, Virgin Porn :)

[JonathanLB]

That reminds me of those SPAM e-mails I always get, "Come to our site to see totally virgin girls getting deflowered!" or whatever. I mean, excuse me? How would anyone know if they are virgins?! Let's face it, in all likelihood if they're posing nude and engaged in those acts for a porn site, they are probably the biggest whores around. Virgins, LOL, yeah... right.

It's a stupid claim because it always may or may not be true and is impossible to verify whatsoever.

[ReaperFett]

there is a Virgin corporation marriage group. Virgin Brides. THat's a good one :)

[JonathanLB]

So will they only agree to marry couples where both partners are virgins?! ;)

Everyone makes fun of my friend Bryan because he, yes, a GUY (lol), does not believe in sex before marriage. Heck he doesn't apparently believe in anything before marriage, except kissing. I find that extremely funny because he's not religious whatsoever. Yet more support for the idea of religion not necessarily forming these moral ideas that people insist it does, ahem, because I know quite a few Christians who can't count on one hand the number of people they have banged and they're not even 21 yet... :)

I really don't know why Bryan has those beliefs, but actually they will serve him well in some ways. I mean, for instance, if he had a kid to take care of in college, umm, that would basically ruin his life. So in his case, for his professional career, he was blessed with uncompromising morality (if I can call it that? I do not think sex before marriage is immoral, though, for the record).

In my case, I was just blessed with being invisible to girls, which is very efficient for my career interests! ;)

I would like to get a nice gold ring with a ruby inset (red being my favorite color) that says on it, "FILM," and wear it on my ring finger. People would ask if I was married and I would say, "Yes, I am -- to my work!"

[Brielle Acaana]

Fett, you seem to know an aweful lot about virgins. ;)

[JonathanLB]

He has deflowered about 10 of them. :D

[Diego Van Derveld]

"Come to our site to see totally virgin girls getting deflowered!" or whatever. I mean, excuse me? How would anyone know if they are virgins?!

In most cases, if they break the hymen. That's usually a giveaway.

[JonathanLB]

Yes, but as you know I am sure, there are MANY other things that can cause that, like riding a bike, for instance, or a horse, or any number of other activities. So while one may indicate the other, it doesn't work in reverse, at least.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Riding a bike?! D'oh must have forgotten to put the seat on it again. ^_^;

And don't tell me you don't know what a Wuzzle is. :eek

[JonathanLB]

I don't... lol. Never heard that word.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Children's television in the 80s!!!

[Daiquiri Van-Derveld]

Although it can happen, it's still unlikely that riding a bike or a horse is going to cause the loss of maidenhood. Strenous (as in serious training) exercise can prevent the total onset of menses.

[JonathanLB]

I only know what I read and heard -- not from experience, lol.

The point is, having "that" broken is not a sure-fire indication of not being a virgin.

[Diego Van Derveld]

Yeah, but breaking that during the deed is a definite one.

[Dutchy]

Because this thread kept coming up in the topics list I recognized it in the video store and thought I'd rent it. Though it was kinda lame, it wasn't as bad as I thought it would. I actually had a few laughs and was able to sit through it quite smoothly without feeling urge to press the stop or eject button. As for the sex stuff, it was quite surprising for an American movie, especially about girls. I didn't think it was shocking (geez), but thought it was kinda amusing. I agree with Lilaena's theory. Guys aren't half the pervs women can be. ;)