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Alexander Emerson
Dec 27th, 2002, 05:01:30 PM
http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/DailyNews/clonedbaby021227.html

The 7-pound baby was born Thursday, said Brigitte Boisselier, head of Clonaid, the company that claimed success in the project. She wouldn't say where the baby was born.
Even before the announcement, other scientists expressed doubt that her group could clone a human.

Boisselier, who spoke at a news conference, said the baby is a clone of the 30-year-old American woman who donated the DNA for the cloning process, had the resulting embryo implanted and then gestated the baby. If confirmed, that would make the child an exact genetic duplicate of her mother.

"It is very important to remember that we are talking about a baby," she said. "The baby is very healthy. She is fine, she doing fine. The parents are happy. I hope that you remember them when you talk about this baby, not like a monster, like some results of something that is disugusting."

Boisselier did not immediately present DNA evidence showing a genetic match between mother and daughter, however. That omission leaves her claim scientifically unsupported.

The group expects four more babies to be born in the next few weeks, another from North America, one from Europe and two from Asia.

She said the baby will go home in three days, and an independent expert will take DNA samples from the baby to prove she had been cloned. Those test results are expected within a week after the testing.


Scientists Skeptical

Most scientists, already skeptical of Boisellier's ability to produce a human clone, will probably demand to know exactly how the DNA testing was done before they believe the announcement.

Clonaid was founded in the Bahamas in 1997 by Claude Vorilhon, a former French journalist and leader of a group called the Raelians. Vorilhon and his followers claim aliens visiting him in the 1970s revealed they had created all life on Earth through genetic engineering.

Cloning produces a new individual using only one person's DNA. The process is technically difficult but conceptually simple. Scientists remove the genetic material from an unfertilized egg, then introduce new DNA from a cell of the animal to be cloned. Under the proper conditions, the egg begins dividing into new cells according to the instructions in the introduced DNA.

Boisselier, who claims two chemistry degrees and previously was marketing director for a chemical company in France, identifies herself as a Raelian "bishop" and said Clonaid retains philosophical but not economic links to the Raelians. She is not a specialist in reproductive medicine.

Human cloning for reproductive purposes is banned in several countries. There is no specific law against it in the United States, but the Food and Drug Administration contends it must approve any human experiments in this country. Boisselier would not say where Clonaid has been carrying out its experiments. Bush administration officials said in Washington on Thursday they were aware of rumors of an announcement but had no plans to comment on the matter until after the details were known.


Competitor Dismisses Claims

In Rome, fertility doctor Severino Antinori, who said weeks ago he had engineered a cloned baby boy who would be born in January, dismissed Clonaid's claims and said the group has no scientific credibility.

The news "makes me laugh and at the same time disconcerts me, because it creates confusion between those who make serious scientific research" and those who don't, Antinori said.

"We keep up our scientific work, without making announcements," he added. "I don't take part in this ... race."

So far scientists have succeeded in cloning sheep, mice, cows, pigs, goats and cats. Last year, scientists in Massachusetts produced cloned human embryos with the intention of using them as a source of stem cells, but the cloned embryos never grew bigger than six cells.

Many scientists oppose cloning to produce humans, saying it's too risky because of abnormalities seen in cloned animals

ReaperFett
Dec 27th, 2002, 05:06:49 PM
Load of bull. Notice how they announce it way before they have proof? If they want to let the mother rest, TELL US AFTER SHE HAS RESTED!


Money making bull.

ReaperFett
Dec 27th, 2002, 05:09:05 PM
Also, answer this:

-Why is a Canadian sect announcing this in FLorida?

- How does a sect that beleives humans come from Aliens get the money to do this? :)

Alexander Emerson
Dec 27th, 2002, 05:20:45 PM
You've got a point. Sounds like they want fame instead. Scientists are experimenting to see if it's a human clone or not.

Sanis Prent
Dec 27th, 2002, 05:22:18 PM
I will eat my hat if this is true.

Admiral Lebron
Dec 27th, 2002, 07:32:38 PM
I did a project about cloning last May and saw their site. My personal opinion: They more nuts than planters.

Dae Jinn
Dec 27th, 2002, 08:25:49 PM
I saw them on tv...they dress funny. And it's a cult, from Quebec. So uncool ;) :lol

Marcus Telcontar
Dec 27th, 2002, 08:27:04 PM
Load of BS this cult is. Move along, nothign to see here.

Xazor Elessar
Dec 27th, 2002, 08:36:23 PM
Agree with Marcus and well, everyone else on here I do.....they are full of BS and we won't take it from them.

Nuts....mmmmmmm.............. :lol

Slayn Cloak
Dec 27th, 2002, 08:37:13 PM
hmmmm where do i sigh up? I want to dress funny... and grow an army of annoying toddlers...

Marcus Telcontar
Dec 27th, 2002, 08:44:02 PM
hmmmm where do i sigh up? I want to dress funny... and grow an army of annoying toddlers...

Join the moonies and have lots of wives, that will give you the same effect

Jedieb
Dec 27th, 2002, 08:52:03 PM
If you ever go to one of their shin digs I suggest you stay away from the Kool-Aid!

Admiral Lebron
Dec 27th, 2002, 09:13:05 PM
Go away you freaky corny joke making man! :p

Lilaena De'Ville
Dec 27th, 2002, 09:20:49 PM
:lol:lol

Jedieb
Dec 27th, 2002, 09:22:36 PM
Suicide Kool Aid jokes aren't corny! That's comedy gold!!!!!!

Xenodoros Stormrider
Dec 27th, 2002, 09:24:34 PM
Why is a Canadian sect announcing this in FLorida?
I can answer that. Living in Quebec has taught me this -_-; Quebequers tend to move to Florida for vacations, or other purposes. It seems to be their 'favorite' place to go... A lot of French Canadians live there... so I suppose that applies to the 'Canadian sect'

Jamel Croko'yn
Dec 27th, 2002, 09:25:42 PM
If this is to be true, its only a step closer to the Clone Wars :)

Lilaena De'Ville
Dec 27th, 2002, 09:27:21 PM
Look out for tall, giraffe-like aliens....

Jamel Croko'yn
Dec 27th, 2002, 09:27:57 PM
^Heheh

Xenodoros Stormrider
Dec 27th, 2002, 09:28:41 PM
Giraffe-like aliens? Like me? *extends neck* :)

ReaperFett
Dec 27th, 2002, 09:32:34 PM
Xen, so they announce the news while ON HOLIDAY??? :lol

Pilot Akito
Dec 27th, 2002, 09:56:01 PM
O_o


Where is the Can of WTF???

Jedieb
Dec 27th, 2002, 09:58:25 PM
Wait a minute, wasn't Cocoon set in Florida? Now we have news from a alien inspired cult coming from the same state? Coincidence? I think not! Curse you Steve Guttenburg, WHAT ARE YOU HIDING FROM US???????!!!!!!!!!!!!

ReaperFett
Dec 27th, 2002, 10:04:10 PM
Oh, got to mention this. Cardiac ward at a Hospital Ive been visiting has to watch for the patients, Four Weddings and a Funeral and Cocoon twice. Lovely viewing for the elderly with weak hearts, eh?

Nathanial K'cansce
Dec 27th, 2002, 10:04:40 PM
*starts humming the Stone Cutter's theme*

Jedieb
Dec 27th, 2002, 10:08:42 PM
I can barely remember how it goes. Man I can't wait for that season to come on DVD. But why can't I remember it? Is someone purposely blocking my memories of it so I can't stumble upon the truth? Again, CURSE YOU STEVE GUTTENBURG!!!!

Pilot Akito
Dec 27th, 2002, 10:14:54 PM
Hahaha! Stone Cutters Rule!!!

But this Cloning thing takes the cake. Why would anyone want a "clone" baby?

Xenodoros Stormrider
Dec 27th, 2002, 10:19:23 PM
Lmao :lol Jedieb.

Fett~ :lol Some go to live there too =P! I'll give you a perfect example: Celine Dion. She's a Quebequer from Canada. Like the typical French Canadian, she bought a condo/house/whatever in Florida and lives there now x_x;

That, or the cult doesn't celebrate Christmas or they think Christmas is the perfect time to brainwash us all. ALL I TELLZ jo0'!

Jedieb
Dec 27th, 2002, 10:21:46 PM
I think the story they're peddling is that some woman basically has given birth to a clone of herself. You can imagine the field day Freud would have with that one. Trying to raise a perfect version of yourself must be an egomaniac's dream. Personally, I wouldn't want to be around a duplicate of myself. He'd get on my nerves pretty quick. He'd always be borrowing my stuff without asking for permission. He'd go around town wrecking stuff and I'd get blamed. Then there's that whole Steve Guttenburg obsession. Good grief, someone stop this madness! These clones must be stopped. Steve Guttenburg must be STOPPED!

Jedieb
Dec 27th, 2002, 10:24:01 PM
That, or the cult doesn't celebrate Christmas or they think Christmas is the perfect time to brainwash us all. ALL I TELLZ jo0'!
Wait, is the cult trying to brainwash us or is Celine Dion? Frankly, I'd rather be brainwashed by the cult. The music's much better and I'd get to finally meet Steve Guttenburg.

Man, the things I'll type to finally get to that 5,000 post. :crack

Xenodoros Stormrider
Dec 27th, 2002, 10:29:42 PM
LMAO :lol

Jedieb
Dec 27th, 2002, 10:35:05 PM
5,000 is getting closer and closer. You can't stop me Guttenburg! You and your clone army are no match for me! I WON'T STOP UNTIL I REACH 5,000!!!!

Xenodoros Stormrider
Dec 27th, 2002, 10:52:06 PM
How many until you reach 5000?

Jedieb
Dec 27th, 2002, 10:58:06 PM
I believe this is 5,001. Now I must sleeeeeeeeeeep. :zzz

Admiral Lebron
Dec 27th, 2002, 11:07:54 PM
"Who rigs every oscar night? . Who keeps Steve Guttenburg in the light?." I think thats how it goes?

Xenodoros Stormrider
Dec 28th, 2002, 12:13:05 AM
The Simpsons?

Admiral Lebron
Dec 28th, 2002, 12:32:22 AM
Yes the simpsons.

ReaperFett
Dec 28th, 2002, 08:17:07 AM
Nah ah. It is

"Who holds back the Electric Car,
What makes Steve Guttenburg, a star,
We do, we do..."

:)

Admiral Lebron
Dec 28th, 2002, 09:41:11 AM
I was close. I haven't seen that episode since it came out.

ReaperFett
Dec 28th, 2002, 11:14:38 AM
Yeah, at least you remembered him. And the Oscar part was right IIRC :)

Diego Van Derveld
Dec 28th, 2002, 08:14:40 PM
I'm looking out for Kaminoans at hockey games now.

Sorreessa Tarrineezi
Dec 28th, 2002, 11:20:53 PM
:lol nuts....

Admiral Lebron
Dec 29th, 2002, 12:53:33 AM
Hmm...

Who rigs every oscar night?
Who keeps the martians outta site?
We do. We do!!

Silus Xilarian
Dec 29th, 2002, 03:35:50 AM
Human Cloning, steve gutenbyrg?? This thread cant get any weirder


Who rigs every oscar night?
Who keeps the martians outta site?
We do. We do!!

GOOD LORD! I WAS WRONG!!!!!

*hides*

Lilaena De'Ville
Dec 29th, 2002, 05:23:28 PM
Jedieb was in rare form, it appears. :lol

DarthHERA
Dec 29th, 2002, 05:38:12 PM
Fett - the wonderous things you know!

ReaperFett
Dec 29th, 2002, 05:39:17 PM
What things? :)

DarthHERA
Dec 29th, 2002, 05:42:44 PM
the simpsons Steve Guttenburg line WE DO thingy

ReaperFett
Dec 29th, 2002, 06:00:15 PM
Oh great, I remember words :)

Pilot Akito
Dec 29th, 2002, 08:18:43 PM
LOL!

Yes, remembering words makes you the Grand Pooh-ba or something. I'm sure it says that somewhere around here...

Sorreessa Tarrineezi
Dec 30th, 2002, 12:02:05 AM
meh, I can quote it too....tis easy since it's been on thousands of times...

ReaperFett
Dec 30th, 2002, 09:13:18 AM
Teah, but noones congratulating you, so stop trying to attention steal :)

Pilot Akito
Dec 30th, 2002, 07:24:34 PM
Well then lets change the subject then...or do we wait for the monkeys to start reenacting the Civil War?

ReaperFett
Dec 30th, 2002, 07:28:41 PM
Monkeys!

Pilot Akito
Dec 30th, 2002, 08:40:23 PM
Yes, Monkeys..

Well Fett knows too much, how do you all say we deal with him?

ReaperFett
Dec 30th, 2002, 08:50:00 PM
By bowing and paying me the respect I deserve?

Moltar
Dec 30th, 2002, 11:05:57 PM
Uhhh.....

No....

Sorry, we have to escort you from the area and change the subject.

ReaperFett
Dec 30th, 2002, 11:14:05 PM
I think not!


:)

Marcus Telcontar
Dec 30th, 2002, 11:16:53 PM
And preeeeesssseeeeennnttttinnnggggggg... Reaprfett and his 12 monkeys!

ReaperFett
Dec 30th, 2002, 11:17:41 PM
Reminds me of my shipyard anouncement thread. Remember that? :)

Marcus Telcontar
Dec 30th, 2002, 11:18:41 PM
Ummmmm.... remind me

ReaperFett
Dec 30th, 2002, 11:20:54 PM
We had to announce we were making a shipyard, so I rustled up tons of dancing smilies, and then had Fett appear with Microphone, suit and Hawaiian shirt, say "Im making a shipyard" and leave, as the Hamsters were brought out :)

Marcus Telcontar
Dec 30th, 2002, 11:21:47 PM
I cant remember that. Must be the drugs burning out my memory

Moltar
Dec 30th, 2002, 11:21:56 PM
Great, we get to watch the destruction of the world from London....

By the way what really are Fish and Chips?

ReaperFett
Dec 30th, 2002, 11:22:50 PM
dead sea creature and cut up potato.

Moltar
Dec 30th, 2002, 11:25:41 PM
Oh that explains it....

*Marks off "Ask someone what "Fish and Chips are."*

ReaperFett
Dec 30th, 2002, 11:26:58 PM
Next? :)

Marcus Telcontar
Dec 30th, 2002, 11:28:35 PM
What's the wing speed fo a swallow?

ReaperFett
Dec 30th, 2002, 11:29:00 PM
African or European?

Marcus Telcontar
Dec 30th, 2002, 11:30:28 PM
... I dont know..

WHOOOSH!!

AIIIIIEEEEEEeeeeeeeee............

ReaperFett
Dec 30th, 2002, 11:33:44 PM
next :)

Moltar
Dec 30th, 2002, 11:38:07 PM
Can we have your liver?

ReaperFett
Dec 31st, 2002, 09:29:51 AM
You mean off my Mixed Grill? Sure, but you dont get anything else :)

Diego Van Derveld
Dec 31st, 2002, 11:31:36 AM
No, you can't have my liver...I'm still usin it.

Well...
Whenever life gets you down, Mrs. Brown
And things seem hard or tough
And people are stupid, obnoxious or daft
And you feel that you've had quite enough!

Just...remember that your standing on a planet that's revolving
Revolving at 900 miles an hour
Thats orbiting at 90 miles a second, so its reckoned
A sun that is the source of all our power.
The sun, and you and me, and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day.
In an outer spiral arm at 40,000 miles an hour
Of the galaxy we call the Milky Way.