NFL Week 17 (Saturday Games)

[Figrin D'an]

Saturday, Early

Philadelphia at NY Giants

Saturday, Late

Kansas City at Oakland

Sunday, Early

Baltimore at Pittsburgh
Dallas at Washington
Tennessee at Houston
Cincinnati at Buffalo
Atlanta at Cleveland
Minnesota at Detroit
Miami at New England
Carolina at New Orleans

Sunday, Late

Jacksonville at Indianapolis
Green Bay at NY Jets
Arizona at Denver
Seattle at San Diego

Sunday Night

Tampa Bay at Chicago

Monday Night

San Francisco at St. Louis


All picks must be in by 1:30PM Eastern on Saturday. Playoff games will be posted once Week 17 is completed.

[Nathanial K'cansce]

Uhg, this week looks ugly.



Philadelphia at NY Giants



Kansas City at Oakland



Pittsburgh
Dallas
Tennessee
Buffalo
Atlanta
Minnesota
Miami
New Orleans



Indianapolis
Green Bay
Denver
San Diego



Chicago ((first actual choice for said game))


San Francisco

I'll decide on the other games later this week.

[sirdizzy]

NY Giants
Oakland
Pittsburgh
Washington
Tennessee
Buffalo
Atlanta
Minnesota
Miami
New Orleans
Indianapolis
Green Bay
Denver
San Diego
Tampa Bay
St. Louis

[JonathanLB]

It's hard to know really how hard some of these teams are going to play. The Niners OWN the Rams, but then again, they are resting players and waiting for the playoffs, they don't want any injuries, so the Rams might win because the Niners don't need the victory so much.

Actually, though, if the Niners win and the Bucs lose, then there is a chance the Niners would host another playoff game, the NFC Title game. That was described on Monday Night Football last week, so we'll see, but they could use the victory just in case.

Philadelphia
Kansas City (I gotta pick the upset)
Pittsburgh
Washington
Tennessee
Buffalo
Atlanta
Minnesota
Miami
New Orleans

Indianapolis
Green Bay
Denver
San Diego (I have a feeling these losers are going to find another way to lose; I hate the Chargers, stupid, awful football team as I said from the start, can't win anything)

Tampa Bay

San Francisco

[Taylor Millard]

Saturday, Early

Philadelphia WIN at NY Giants

Saturday, Late

Kansas City at Oakland WIN

Sunday, Early

Baltimore at Pittsburgh WIN
Dallas WIN at Washington
Tennessee at Houston WIN
Cincinnati at Buffalo WIN
Atlanta WIN at Cleveland
Minnesota WIN at Detroit
Miami WIN at New England
Carolina at New Orleans WIN

Sunday, Late

Jacksonville at Indianapolis WIN
Green Bay WIN at NY Jets
Arizona at Denver WIN
Seattle at San Diego WIN

Sunday Night

Tampa Bay WIN at Chicago

Monday Night

San Francisco WIN at St. Louis

[Lilaena De'Ville]

*brings out the blindfolded monkey and gives it a few spins for good luck before sending it careening towards a wall of football games* :uhoh

Saturday, Early

Philadelphia WIN at NY Giants

Saturday, Late

Kansas City at Oakland WIN

Sunday, Early

Baltimore WIN at Pittsburgh
Dallas WIN at Washington
Tennessee WIN at Houston
Cincinnati at Buffalo WIN
Atlanta WIN at Cleveland
Minnesota at Detroit WIN
Miami WIN at New England
Carolina at New Orleans WIN

Sunday, Late

Jacksonville WIN at Indianapolis
Green Bay WIN at NY Jets
Arizona at Denver WIN
Seattle WIN at San Diego

Sunday Night

Tampa Bay WIN at Chicago

Monday Night

San Francisco WIN at St. Louis

[Figrin D'an]

Saturday, Early

Philadelphia at NY Giants (W)

Saturday, Late

Kansas City at Oakland (W)

Sunday, Early

Baltimore at Pittsburgh (W)
Dallas at Washington (W)
Tennessee (W) at Houston
Cincinnati at Buffalo (W)
Atlanta at Cleveland (W)
Minnesota (W) at Detroit
Miami (W) at New England
Carolina at New Orleans (W)

Sunday, Late

Jacksonville at Indianapolis (W)
Green Bay (W) at NY Jets
Arizona at Denver (W)
Seattle at San Diego (W)

Sunday Night

Tampa Bay (W) at Chicago

Monday Night

San Francisco (W) at St. Louis

[Jedi Master Carr]

Ok here I go

Philadelphia at NY Giants W

Saturday, Late

Kansas City W at Oakland

Sunday, Early

Baltimore at Pittsburgh W
Dallas at Washington W
Tennessee W at Houston
Cincinnati at Buffalo W
Atlanta at Cleveland W
Minnesota W at Detroit
Miami at New England W
Carolina at New Orleans W

Sunday, Late

Jacksonville at Indianapolis W
Green Bay W at NY Jets
Arizona at Denver W
Seattle at San Diego W

Sunday Night

Tampa Bay W at Chicago

Monday Night

San Francisco W at St. Louis

[Jedieb]

Well, it's time to get desperate. I've got 5 games to make up so JMC and I have to go head to head on at least 5 games. Time to throw the Hail Mary and live with the consequences. I'm not a Buffalo Bill so second place means nothing to me! Let's see if I can pull off a miracle!

WINPhiladelphia at NY Giants

Saturday, Late

Kansas City at OaklandWIN

Sunday, Early

Baltimore at Pittsburgh WIN
WINDallas at Washington
Tennessee WIN at Houston
Cincinnati at Buffalo WIN
WINAtlanta at Cleveland
WINMinnesota at Detroit
WINMiami at New England
WINCarolina at New Orleans

Sunday, Late

Jacksonville at Indianapolis WIN
Green Bay WIN at NY Jets
Arizona at Denver WIN
Seattle WIN at San Diego

Sunday Night

Tampa Bay WIN at Chicago

Monday Night

San Francisco WIN at St. Louis

[ReaperFett]

Philadelphia
Oakland
Pittsburgh
Washington
Tennessee
Buffalo
Atlanta
Minnesota
Miami
New Orleans
Indianapolis
Green Bay
Denver
San Diego
Tampa Bay
San Francisco

[JMK]

Saturday, Early

Philadelphia at NY Giants (W)

Saturday, Late

Kansas City at Oakland (W)

Sunday, Early

Baltimore at Pittsburgh (W)
Dallas at Washington (W)
Tennessee (W) at Houston
Cincinnati at Buffalo (W)
Atlanta (W) at Cleveland
Minnesota (W) at Detroit
Miami (W)at New England
Carolina at New Orleans (W)

Sunday, Late

Jacksonville at Indianapolis (W)
Green Bay at NY Jets (W)
Arizona at Denver (W)
Seattle at San Diego (W)

Sunday Night

Edit: Tampa Bay (W) at Chicago

Monday Night

San Francisco (W) at St. Louis

[Daiquiri Van-Derveld]

1. Giants

2. Raiders

3. Steelers

4. Redskins

5. Titans

6. Bills

7. Falcons

8. Lions

9. Dolphins

10. Saints

11. Jaguars

12. Packers

13. Broncos

14. Seahawks

15. Bears

16. 49ers

[Sene Unty]

Saturday, Early

Philadelphia(W) at NY Giants

Saturday, Late

Kansas City at Oakland(W)

Sunday, Early

Baltimore(W) at Pittsburgh
Dallas at Washington(W)
Tennessee(W) at Houston
Cincinnati at Buffalo(W)
Atlanta(W) at Cleveland
Minnesota(W) at Detroit
Miami(W) at New England
Carolina at New Orleans(W)

Sunday, Late

Jacksonville at Indianapolis(W)
Green Bay(W) at NY Jets
Arizona at Denver(W)
Seattle at San Diego(W)

Sunday Night

Tampa Bay(W) at Chicago

Monday Night

San Francisco(W) at St. Louis

[Figrin D'an]

Geez, the Eagles got off to a quick start...

[Figrin D'an]

And now the Giants look like they're going to answer right away...

[Figrin D'an]

Except for an INT in the end zone... that was bad decision by Collins...

[Jedieb]

A couple of 3 and outs by both teams. The Eagles have the ball now. I was surprised to see those career stats that Collins had against the Eagles. He's really played well against them. The G-Men had that 9 game winning streak against the Eagles, but I'm hoping today is different. The Eagles did win earlier this year so this year's team has had success against the Giants.

I would really like the Giants to win to keep Philly from having home field, but in the desperate race to catch JMC I need for Philly to win.

[Jedieb]

I don't know if the Giants are going to challenge that latest play. If they don't that'll be the 3rd drive they've killed with turnovers. They're dominating the game but they keep giving the ball away.

[Jedieb]

That's the second holding call to negate a Giants TD. Those two calls are some of the worst I've ever seen. Fossil is going to go off after the game. Those calls weren't even close IMO.

[Figrin D'an]

I agree... both times, the defender just lost his footing, and the lineman fell on him. Really bad calls, especially in a game of this importance.

[Jedieb]

Another Giants turnover?! Are you kidding me? They overcome 2 holding calls that eliminate TD's, a missed FG, they tie the game, force the Eagles to punt and then fumble the ball giving the Eagles the ball at the Giants 26. This is one of the strangest games I've ever seen.

[Jedieb]

Big first down by Staley. That could be the game right there. They can run some serious clock off now and only leave the Giants a minute. If they get another first down the game is over for sure.

[Jedieb]

Ackers missed the FG! Are you kidding me? The Giants have plenty of time to drive down for a game winning FG. Here they go...

[Jedi Master Carr]

WOW how did he miss that FG attempt??Now the Giants can win the game with a FG.

[Jedieb]

It looks like this game is heading to overtime. The Giants looked a bit clueless on this last drive.

[Jedieb]

The Eagles won the coin toss. The Giants have dominated this game. After that early TD they've completely shut down the Eagles. I think they would have won the game on their first OT drive if they'd won the toss. Now they have to hope the defense can stop the Eagles from mounting any kind of drive. The Eagles have Brian Mitchell just itching to get a chance for a big return...

[Jedieb]

And Mitchell brings it out to the 45. The guy is phenomenal.

[Jedieb]

Big sack by Holmes. Feely held on to the ball way too long. I think Reed's going to have an easy decision to start McNab in two weeks. Feely just hit Mitchell for a short 3rd down play.

[Jedieb]

That was an obvious Pass Interference by Short on the INT. But I think those two holding calls may have made the refs a bit gun shy about throwing another big flag against the Giants. And now Troy Vincent made a bone headed play for a Personal Foul and 15 free yards.

[Jedieb]

Another Barber fumble! Thank god he recovered or he may never have played football again. What a wild game. Here comes the FG attempt.... Bryant makes the FG! The Giants deserved to win that game. Oh, well, JMC has a 6 game lead on me now. :(

[Jedi Master Carr]

I am sorry Jedieb, there is always the playoffs. Well I am glad New Orleans didn't get in they didn't deserve to make it after losing to the Bengals. You think the Chiefs-Raiders game will be this exciting.

[JMK]

Well I guess I can't hate the Giants that much. I went out on a good note with them. At least I keep pace with JMC. ;)

[JMK]

Every week I do something stupid. I was just reviewing my picks and I had taken the Bears over the Bucs! :x

Methinks I'm going to change that right now! :lol

[Jedieb]

I don't know about that Chiefs game. The weather is suppose to be pretty bad and they still don't have Holmes. The Raiders have been running the ball better and their passing game is better suited to bad weather because many of their routes are so short. I think the Chiefs have their work cut out for them. The playoffs start today for KC.

[Figrin D'an]

For future reference, if you are going to change a pick once the slate of games have started, please make a new post... editing the original picks post once the games have started (or some games are completed), can lead to... well... problems.

[Jedieb]

Who changed their picks? It wasn't me!

Oh, I just saw JMK's post. The Bears aren't that bad of a pick. Tampa is going to have to overcome their cold weather jink to win at Chicago.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I know the weather is hurting the Chiefs running without Holmes is impossible. And they can't pass the ball well because of the rain, they have nothing to be ashamed of if they lose there is always next year. Oakland is getting older (this is their last year, IMO) San Diego could go either way and Denver well, it will depend on Griese.

[Jedieb]

The Chiefs just don't seem to be adjusting their game plan to the weather and the field. You can see the Raiders are running the ball more than usual and it's been very effective. The Chiefs keep throwing the ball as if the sun is out and the field is dry. Their down 14-0 and I don't think they have the guns to make a comeback.

[JMK]

Yeah, sorry about that one. Good thing it wasn't on a Sunday with alot of games going on. :)

Boy, the Raiders are completely owning this game so far. Not having Holmes hurts alot, but then again, Holmes doesn't have to defend the Raiders. They go for it on a 4th & 4? And make it? Pretty gutsy IMO...

[Jedi Master Carr]

Well its hard for the Chiefs to adjust their back up running back wouldn't be a starter in the Arena League that is how bad he is. And since the rain is affecting their passing schemes they can't come up with a game plan, too bad Holmes is hurt this would be a perfect game for him.

[Figrin D'an]

Looks like Oakland will have wrapped up home-field advantage in the AFC.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Really in the AFC Homefield means nothing, it hasn't for years, I think the only home team in the last 10 years to get to the SuperBowl from the AFC was Denver, and this year I think Oakland won't make it either.

[Jedieb]

Stick a fork in this one, it's done. Curse you Akers! I could have gained to games today. Now I'm back to being 5 out. Even if the Titans win tomorrow the Raiders get HF because they beat Tenn. earlier in the year. But their HF advantage isn't nearly as strong as GB. That's going to be a big game for GB tomorrow. The Jets have a playoff spot on the line so they aren't going to roll over. The Packers have to be drooling over the prospect of HF. The Bucs must be kicking themselves over their Monday night egg. They could have had HF in their hands. Now they'd have to go to both Philly AND Lambeau. There's no way they can pull that off. I think everything will be settled by the end of the Sunday night game. I can't see any playoff implications in the SF/St. Louis game because SF is going to have to play a WC round either way I think. The Frozen Tundra awaits!

[Figrin D'an]

Here's how things stand after todays games...

AFC

1) Oakland (x)
2) Tennessee (x)
3) Pittsburgh (x)
4) Miami (can clinch with win @ New England)
5) Indianapolis (x)
6) Cleveland (can clinch with win vs. Atlanta)

N.Y. Jets
Denver
San Diego
New England
Baltimore


NFC

1) Green Bay (x)
2) Philadelphia (x)
3) Tampa Bay (x)
4) San Francisco (x)
5) N.Y. Giants (x)
6) Atlanta (can clinch with win @ Cleveland)

New Orleans (needs Atlanta to lose and must win vs. Carolina)

(x) - Clinched playoff spot

[Jedieb]

I think that Tenn. could easily beat Oakland. Those two teams are on the best run right now. Whoever comes out of the AFC East probably won't make it to the Championship game. The fins have the best chance because they can run the ball, but their defense has a history of collapsing in the playoffs and they've been pretty bad on the road this year. I don't see the Dolphins winning in both Tenn. and Oakland. Those are the 3 most dangerous teams in the AFC IMO.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I think if Tenn plays Oakland again they will want some revenge for that game earlier this year, I think they would take them out easily, that is just my feeling Tennessee, is the hottest team right now and they seem like New England destined for something.

[JMK]

Well I can tell you what New England is destined for tomorrow! A big dose of humble pie!:p

I'm so nervous for tomorrow's game. :uhoh

[jjwr]

Well I missed the Saturday games but I'll go ahead and post anyways, I would have been 1-1 on Sat as I'd have gone Eagles and Oakland.

Sunday, Early

Baltimore at Pittsburgh(W)
Dallas at Washington(W)
Tennessee(W) at Houston
Cincinnati at Buffalo(W)
Atlanta at Cleveland (W)
Minnesota(W) at Detroit
Miami at New England(W)
Carolina at New Orleans(W)

Sunday, Late

Jacksonville at Indianapolis(W)
Green Bay(W) at NY Jets
Arizona at Denver(W)
Seattle at San Diego(W)

Sunday Night

Tampa Bay(W) Chicago

Monday Night

San Francisco(W) St. Louis

[Nathanial K'cansce]

I knew I forgot to do something...

*kicks todays games for the hell of it* Prolly woulda went 0-2 anywho.

And if I can still vote for that Tampa-Chicago game tomorrow... I go with Chicago winning. Tampa dislikes cold weather.

[ReaperFett]

Snack, Id make that a bit clearer.





Hey, as its the final week, can we have a score so far? :)

[JonathanLB]

0-2 for me -- serves me right for trying to pick an upset. For the record, though, I really like Oakland and am glad for their victory, so that's nice.

Same goes with the Giants. Good for them. But, who really cares? They are going to lose by at least two TDs at San Francisco immediately, so it doesn't matter, IMO. They are not a good football team. They're above average, but I wouldn't really classify them as any good at all. They did everything wrong Saturday and still somehow won, which is impressive, yes, but it's also pitiful.

"Well I am glad New Orleans didn't get in they didn't deserve to make it after losing to the Bengals"

Amen, I agree with you there. I lost all respect for New Orleans after a while when they didn't prove they were for real. They didn't deserve to make the playoffs.

At this point I think the Niners should just hold back their key players who are recovering in any way from any injuries because the Niners do not need to win Monday. It is less important than whether or not I sleep on my right side or my left side when I go to bed tonight. It means NOTHING. They are hosting a wild card playoff game, then they're going to have to go on the road after they win (and I'm confident they will), so that's that. If they are going to make the Super Bowl, it'll be on the road after a few tough wins. Unfortunately this is probably not the year for the Niners yet either. I am hoping really hard and dangit I want to see them kick some Green Bay butt, but in GB? That's not going to work. :(

I say Green Bay vs. Oakland in the Super Bowl.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I say Tennessee vs Green Bay. I despise Oakland I spit on them but this is coming from a Chiefs fan.

[Figrin D'an]

Rematch of Super Bowl II...

I could handle that... :)

[Jedieb]

The NFC Wild Card round:
NFC matchups
New York Giants at San Francisco

Atlanta Falcons/N.O at Tampa Bay Bucs


If the Falcons lose and the Saints win then N.O. is in. All Atlanta has to do is win and they're in. Their tie with Pittsburg gives them a better record than the Saints. The Bucs are praying for an Atlanta win because I don't think they want to face N.O. again. The Giants at S.F. should be an interesting game. Kerry Collins has beaten the Niners in SF and in the playoffs before. He's not going to be intimidated by that team. The Giants D was phenomenal yesterday. Strahan and company can put some serious pressure on Garcia. But I don't see how they can stop Owens and if Garcia has to run enough that may actually produce some big plays for SF. I'd have to pick SF, but I don't think a Giants road victory would be a shocker.

[Jedieb]

Bill Parcells or Dennis Green?
On the surface, Parcells seems like the obvious choice. But if I were looking for someone to come into Big D and STAY there, I would go with Dennis Green. First off, Green is a winner. Yes, he's fallen short in the playoffs, but he wins games. Second, Green would stay in Dallas for the long haul. I can picture Green in Dallas 5 years from now. You're only going to get Parcells for 2, maybe 3 years tops. I don't know if that's enough time to turn things around in Dallas. They've got no QB, Emmit at best only has 1 or 2 years left. Offensively, they have to start from scratch. Green is the better long term choice, but I think that Parcells has to much star power for Jones to ignore

[JMK]

I hope the Niners destroy the Giants, but the G-Men have been such an enigma this year, who knows if they can't play the game of their lives? Jeff Garcia WILL choke if any real pressure is put on him, and with Strahan running around, that's a real possibility. Still, I hope the Giants get clobbered. :)

[Jedieb]

Keyshawn Johnson is on ESPN babbling about why his numbers aren't impressive. It's always one excuse after another with this guy. He's not fast. He can often get shut down without a double team. He's not one of the 10 best receivers in the league and his numbers PROVE that. I hope Tampa dumps him at the end of the season.

[Jedieb]

More bad news for the Bucs, Brad Johnson's back may not only keep him out of today's game, but a first round playoff game as well. The Bucs can't go anywhere without Brad Johnson. Shawn King is too inaccurate and Rob Johnson is one of the dumbest QB's in the history of the league. Uggh.

[JMK]

Keyshawn is a dumb, fat idiot. He used to have talent & potential, but his big mouth and fat head have ruined all of that with a wrecking ball. He's just showing up for the paycheck and going home.

[Jedieb]

As closely as I follow the Bucs, I wouldn't say that you're right about his work ethic. My problem with Keyshawn is that he simply does not have the talent to back up what comes out of his mouth. Yes, he works hard and he blocks like a maniac, but it pretty much ends there. He's not fast, and he creates situations that hurt his team. Remember his big 1 reception game against the flashlight Jets? The game in which Crebet showed him up big time by catching the winning TD pass? Keyshawn's mouth gave the Jets all the motivation they needed and then he got shut down for the entire game. Basically, he's a solid #2 or #3 receiver, that's it. He's not in the same class as Harrison, Owens, Moulds, or Moss. He THINKS he is, but he's not in their league. The Bucs are paying him like he is and that's only making his ego worse.

[Jedieb]

Ricky Williams is a STUD! That's 2 TD's and that second one was a beauty. He used a stiff arm to get outside and then turned on the jets to get into the end zone. When they're good, the Fins look great, but when they're bad....

[jjwr]

Ricky's good but he's not that good :) The Pats D-Line is awefull, people have been running outside on them all year. It really is painfull to watch.

Dolphins are a decent team with good people, if they beat the Pats(and it looks like they will) I hope they do well in the Playoffs.

[JMK]

I know what you mean. They are looking great today, but they usually stink on the road. Williams is a machine! And Thomas and Taylor are drawing all kinds of attention from the Pats O line. Still Thomas comes up with the fumble! Great game so far! Looks like Ricky will easily wrap up top rushing honors this season!

[Jedieb]

I think he is that good. He's beat up on a lot of solid teams this year and it looks like he's going to win the rushing title. He's playing the best football of his career. Obviously, Miami was the perfect situation for him. Still, the 3rd quarter has started and the Pats are still dangerous.

[jjwr]

No doubt he's good but everyone has rushed on the Pats this year so I wouldn't use this as too much of a gauge :)

[Jedieb]

He's just crossed 1,800 yards and has a shot at 1,900. They weren't ALL against the Pats. It only seems like they were. ;)

[Jedieb]

I don't I've ever seen a team get more breaks than the Pats. A Pass Interference call that should have been on the offense. A 60 yard kickoff that miraculously bounces BACKWARDS and pins the Dolphins inside the 5. Then the worst punt of the day puts them in FG position. OMG!

[jjwr]

He's just crossed 1,800 yards and has a shot at 1,900. They weren't ALL against the Pats. It only seems like they were.

Most of them were! :)

Yeah no kidding, the Pats can't help but get these breaks!

24-24! I can't believe they tied it the way they were playing, great game no matter what happens!

[Jedieb]

OT. Unbelievable. Gee, I wonder who's going to win the coin toss?:x

[Jedieb]

What did I tell you?! Just before they flipped the coin I said to my wife; "Why are they even going to toss it? Just give them the ball. You know they're going to get it." Unfreakinbelievable.:x

[Jedieb]

And then the Dolphins kick it out of bounds on the kickoff and the Pats get the ball on the 40. Somebody shoot me.

[Jedieb]

Now the ball is in on the 25 and they're reviewing the reception. But we know how the Pats do with reviews don't we? Why bother?

[Jedieb]

If I were a Miami Dolphins player I'd start vomiting and never stop until September.

[jjwr]

Ouch, harsh loss for the Dolphins. They played a great game though.

What really sucks is the Jets could still win the division......I would have rather had the Dolphins make it then the Jets.....Packers better win this one!

[JMK]

Shoot me. Shoot me now. Please.


Seriously, how could that call have been defensive pass interference? Pure b.s. Another brilliant game by Ricky wasted. He rushes for 228 vs Buffalo and they lose, he runs for 185 vs the Pats, they lose. I can't understand how they blew that game. :(

Once the Pats made it 24-19, I knew there would be no stopping them. Then once it got into OT, I couldn't even watch and I gave myself a loss in our contest.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

:mad *stabs the Dolphins*

[JMK]

Keep stabbing LD! Give them one from me! I'm busy trying to pull the dagger out of my back!

[Jedieb]

That call was simply hideous. You could see the Pats receiver grab the defenders shirt and then push off. Simms thought it was offensive PI at first. Unfreakinbelievable....

I think if the Jets lose the Dolphins go in as a WC, I'm not sure. I'm going to look over the scenarios at ESPN.com. But if the Jets win the Dolphins are out.

[jjwr]

It would be either them or the Browns, both are 9-7 with a 7-5 conference record, not sure about all the other tie-breakers though.

If the Dolphins make it they better whoop on those Jets(assuming the Jetse make it)!

[JMK]

It seems the Pats always end up on the right end of a crappy call. Last year's tuck, and now this. It was still an exciting game, but the outcome could be seen a mile away once the Pats scored that TD.

The Dolphins get in if the Packers beat the Jets. I'm definetly pulling for the Pack even though I took the Jets in the contest. JMC is 9-1 today, there's no catching him now. :lol

[Jedieb]

If the Jets win then BOTH the Dolphins and Patriots are OUT of the playoffs. Cleaveland and the Jets would get in with a NY win.

Jets win
1.Oakland
2.Tenn
3.Pitt
Jets
Indy
Cleveland

I'm not sure about the seeds for 4-6. If the Jets lose then it's;
1. Oakland
2. Tenn
3. Pitt
Indy
Pats
Miami

[Jedieb]

JMC is the Devil!!!

[jjwr]

9-1....ouch!

Ok all you dolphin fans send your bad Karma up to NY and maybe we can all get the Jets to lose this game!

[JMK]

All of my karma, good and bad has been vomited out, as Jedieb has prescribed. :x

[Jedieb]

Favre has marched the Pack down inside the 10. GB NEEDS this game. No other team needs HF as much as them. It looks like they're settling for a FG.
GB 3-7 Jets

[JMK]

Even if the Jets are eliminated with a Jets win, I can then watch the playoffs as a passive observer and not worry about going into cardiac arrest. If they're eliminated, my allegiance for the playoffs is a free agent. :D

[Jedieb]

You know the Jets would love to eliminate 2 of their division rivals. Can you believe that no other AFC West team besides Oakland is heading into the playoffs? 6 weeks ago it looked like they'd be sending 3 teams into the playoffs. What a season.

[Jedieb]

Holy cow, Favre is freakin' amazing! Some of you guys talked about Favre worshiping earlier, but that last series shows he's earned a lot of it. He made some amazing throws in that last drive and had a lot of dropped passes. He's throwing the ball as hard as I've ever seen him. That was a big drive by GB. If they go into the half down 3-14 they're in serious trouble. 10-14 and some momentum should give us another great second half.

[Figrin D'an]

Alright, updated playoff standings...

AFC

1) Oakland (z)
2) Tennessee (y)
3) Pittsburgh (y)
4) New England/N.Y. Jets
5) Indianapolis (x)
6) Cleveland/Miami


NFC

1) Green Bay (y)
2) Philadelphia (y)
3) Tampa Bay (y)
4) San Francisco (y)
5) N.Y. Giants (x)
6) Atlanta (x)


(x) - Clinched playoff spot
(y) - Clinched divsion title
(z) - Clinch home field advantage


NFC is all decided execpt for final seeding.

AFC is still open in two spots. If the Jets win, they win the AFC East, and Cleveland gets the last wildcard spot. If the Jets lose, New England wins the AFC East and Miami gets the wild card.

[Jedieb]

If Tampa wins they get the #3 seed. If they lose and the Niners win then SF gets the #3 seed. If GB loses then they may drop to #3 because Tampa beat them head to head.

The Jets scored on their opening possession. 10-21.

[Jedieb]

The Jets look unstoppable. 2 second half possessions, 2 TD's and an 18pt lead. I think this game shows how much GB needs HF. Without it, they're just an average team with a good record.

[Jedieb]

Too many tipped passes by Packers receivers. The Jets have taken an INT deep into GB territory and it looks like they're headed for another score. Wow, that NE win has really sparked the Jets and their fans.

[Jedieb]

Wow, the Packers have thrown in the towel and put Peterson in the game for Favre. He really didn't play badly. He wouldn't have been in a position to throw that INT if Bubba Franks had held on to the ball he threw earlier. Now GB is going to have to go on the road at Philly or Tampa. Philly has got to be loving life. McNab gets an extra week to rest and practice. If Tampa loses tonight tomorrow night's game is going to mean something for the Niners.

[Jedieb]

Think of how things looked 6 weeks ago in the AFC. All of the following teams have missed the playoffs;
Denver
San Diego
KC
Miami
New England

And who got in? Cleveland and the Jets. WTF?! o_O

[jjwr]

Jets played well and won some very tough games, Cleveland on the other hand. Its really too bad they're in there ahead of one of these other teams which is a better team.

2 Bungles games will do that for ya though.

This also shows that GB has been a tad bit overrated all year. They've been winning but very close games and have been heavily bolstered by a very weak division and a weak NFC, just like the Bears last year.

My 2 least favorite teams are probably the Jets & Packers, figures they were playing this game. After this game I think I dislike them both even more now, the Jets for winning and the Packers for rolling over.

And as Jedieb said this was a huge game for the Packers, they needed this game.

[Figrin D'an]

If Tampa loses tonight to the Bears, Green Bay will get the #2 seed and get a first round bye. So, it's not guarenteed that they'll have to go on the road in the second round, but it does appear to be likely.

[Jedieb]

The Tampa game does matter for both GB and the Niners. I keep scratchng my head about Cleveland. They're arguably the weekest of all these 9-7 teams. But the Dolphins and Pats have no one to blame but themselves. The Dolphins had yet ANOTHER December collapse and NE couldn't stop the run for most of the season. So now we've got the playoffs and no really dominant teams on the horizons.

I'm not certain, but isn't this the first time BOTH Superbowl contestants have missed the playoffs the following year? I know that in the past aging teams have one last title and then collapsed, but I don't ever recall BOTH contenders failing to make the playoffs.

[jjwr]

Patriots and Dolphins definetly both blew it. Had the Patriots won last weekend they would have buried the Jets and been able to clinch with a Dolphin win but they couldn't do it.

This may be the first time neither has made it in, the Pats made a good go at it and 9-7 isn't horrible by any means, at least they didn't totally collapse like the Rams did :)

[Jedieb]

The Bucs can clinch the #2 spot tonight with a win. They need the bye because Brad Johnson needs time to heal. I really think the only shot they have is if someone comes along and upsets Philly. I like their chances against GB in Tampa, but they're not going to beat Philly at the Vet. So what are the WC match ups for next weekend?

[Jedieb]

Man, I was just looking at the scores. I could come up with an 11 win week and STILL lose ground to JMC. Great job JMC, a title well earned. :)

[Figrin D'an]

Wild card matchups are:

AFC

Indianapolis at N.Y. Jets
Cleveland at Pittsburgh


NFC

N.Y. Giants OR Atlanta at San Francisco
N.Y. Giants OR Atlanta at Green Bay OR Tampa Bay

The NFC Wildcard weekend all depends upon the outcome of this evening's Tampa Bay/Chicago game

[Jedi Master Carr]

What a crazy day, a lot of 9-7 teams won't be going to the playoffs. I think now they need to think about adding one more Wild Card to each conference otherwise this will probably be happening a lot. And I agree about Cleveland they are going to get slaughtered against Pittsburgh especially without Couch, also the Colts can beat the Jets, IMO. And thanks Jedieb, I had a great week, still I would have rather lost the contest and had my Chiefs made the playoffs. Oh well there is always next year.

[Figrin D'an]

The way the Jets are playing right now, they could go on the road and beat either Tennessee or Oakland in the second round. The Colts are going to have their hands full next weekend.

[Jedieb]

Minus Sunday and Monday night games.

JMC 10-4 (160-94)
JMK 10-4 (155-99)
Figrin 10-4 (148-106)
Jedieb 9-5 (154-100)
dizzy 9-5 (151-103)
Reaper 8-6 (153-101)
Jon 7-7 (139-115)
Taylord 6-8 (104-92)
Lady Daiquiri 8-6 (119-106)
Sene 7-7 (152-102)
Lilaena De'Ville 5-9 (126-82)
Snack 6-6 (147-105) (Sorry about those first 2 games. I'd be willing to take your word for your picks, but I don't know about everybody else.)

Please, please double check your scores. I probably screwed up somewhere.

[Jedieb]

I think the Giants are a scary team right now. The Falcons have lost a lot of momentum since their loss to the Bucs and I don't they'd pose a big problem for some of the top seeds. I think that if the Giants were to play Philly in that second round they could surprise the Eagles and pull off the upset. But that match depends on a host of other factors. I don't see any other team going into Philly and winning.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I think Tennessee is the hot team right now, I don't think the Jets could beat them, I think they will be in the Super Bowl probably with Philadelphia.

[Jedieb]

Tenn. is hot and I like Pittsburg. The Steelers are lucky they DON'T have HF. But I think it's going to come down to Tenn. and Oakland. With Oakland you never know. Rice and Gannon could get unconscious and stun them.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Tenn just looks awesome right now, their defense is playing great and Mcnair is finally becoming a great QB, I actually would vote him for MVP.

[ReaperFett]

Watch Sene catch me. 5th :(

[Jedieb]

I think McNair has been a great QB for awhile. I just think he's been overshadowed by Eddie George and the Titans style of play. He could have easily won that Superbowl. The year the Ravens won I thought Tenn was the better team. Their defense was almost as good and they had a better offense. If not for poor special teams play they could have beat the Ravens and rushed for over 100 yards in that game. Now that George has been slowed by injury and wear, McNair has finally been allowed to throw more. Tenn can easily make another trip to the big game. But I still think Oakland is dangerous.

[Jedieb]

Well, it looks like the Bucs have wrapped up the #2 seed and the bye. As good as they looked tonight, they weren't at their best. They're at their best when Brad Johnson is in there. They have NO shot without him. If he can get healthy and someone can trip up the Eagles then the Bucs may have a shot. But Johnson has to be in there and they've got to be able to run the ball enough to loosen up the defense. Yes, tonight they played the hapless Bears, but that defense is good enough to win a championship. If only the offense could make a run.

[Figrin D'an]

Week 17 Results (minus 49ers/Rams):

Darth Snack: 6-7 (missed Saturday games)
sirdizzy: 10-5
JonathanLB: 8-7
Taylor Millard: 7-8
Lilaena De'Ville: 6-9
Figrin D'an: 11-4
Jedi Master Carr: 11-4
Jedieb: 10-5
ReaperFett: 9-6
JMK: 11-4
Lady Daiquiri: 8-7
Sene Unty: 8-7
jjwr: 10-3 (missed Saturday games)


Everyone picked the 49ers on Monday Night, so the final standings won't be affected, just the final totals. With that in mind, here are the Season standings:



Jedi Master Carr: 161-94 (.631)
JMK: 156-99 (.612)
Jedieb: 155-100 (.608)
ReaperFett: 154-101 (.604)
Sene Unty: 153-102 (.600)
sirdizzy: 152-103 (.596)
Figrin D'an: 149-106 (.584)
JonathanLB: 140-115 (.549)
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jjwr: 153-100 (.605)
Darth Snack: 147-106 (.581)
Lilaena De'Ville: 127-82 (.608)
Lady Daiquiri: 119-107 (.527)
Taylor Millard: 105-92 (.533)
dbn: 97-79 (.551)
Ishan Shade: 47-29 (.618)
Blade Ice: 46-34 (.575)
Dae Jinn: 6-10 (.375)


Winning Percentages are in parenthesis. The dashed line represents the division between those that picked every game for the season and those that did not. There was a possibilty a few weeks back of an overall wins champion and a seperate winning percentage champion, but as it turned out, JMC made that a moot point by rattling off 5 weeks of impressive picks. Starting in Week 13, JMC finished 13-3, 10-6, 10-6 and 11-5 through Week 16, and is 11-4 so far this week. That pretty much sealed it.

So, congrats to JMC as the regular season picks champ, in both total wins (161) and winning percentage (.631). :)


Playoff Picks will go up in a few minutes, so everyone will have almost a full week to make their choices for Wild Card weekend. Playoff wins/losses will be added to the totals thus far, and once the Super Bowl is over, the overall champion will be announced. There will also be a "Playoff Champion", for the person that has the best record in the playoff picks.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I know I got on a roll towards the end of the season just like the Titans have. Not sure if I can keep it up.

[Nathanial K'cansce]

Ugh, this week dropped me down two spots.

:/ That's what real life does to ya, though.

[JMK]

A Canuck and a Brit in the top 4, who would have thought? ;)

[ReaperFett]

To be picky, I narrowly scraped 6th

[JMK]

Right. I didn't notice that some had a highre percentage but didn't pick all of the games. :)

[ReaperFett]

considering some of the scores below me, that's terrible :)

[Jedieb]

Canucks have had their own league for years. No shame finishing below one. The important thing is I finished ahead of the Brit. ;)

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I sucked this week! :cry Tied for 3rd percentage wise, however. >D Or something. Blarg. :D

[Jedieb]

Here's something to ponder. 7 teams started out 3-0 this year. ONLY 1 MADE THE PLAYOFFS!!!! (Oakland) WTF?

[JMK]

Other things: The Steelers started 0-3, The Jets 1-4 (I think?) The Titans were 1-4 as well, and all 3 won their divisions, or close to it. Weird league this NFL. :x

[Jedieb]

They were talking about that on Countdown. A bunch of the playoff teams had bad starts. I've never seen the AFC shake down the way it did. All those teams with records of .500 or better. You have to wonder if this is something that we'll get every few years now because of parity and the salary cap.

[Jedieb]

Well, the Rams decided to pretend they were the team they use to be in that 4th quarter. That TD on 4th and 1 seals the game. The Niners should feel good that they don't have any major injuries. SF dominated most of the game so they really shouldn't feel bad. They had nothing to gain by winning the game. The Rams did manage to salvage some pride with that last quarter. Did anyone pick the Rams for tonight?

[JMK]

I don't think so. I was hoping to stay under 100 losses on the year, but it looks like I'll land right on it. Good enough. True, this game meant squat to SF, but I'm sure they didn't want to blow it like that.

[Brielle Acaana]

17-0!!!! 17-0!!!!

HOW could they blow a lead like that?!? I bet one of my nephews $1 on the game and he almost handed that buck over at the end of the 3rd quarter....guess its good for him that he didnt!

:verymad

[JMK]

I don't know what to make of it really. Absolutely, the game is meaningless, but to allow a 17 point lead to disappear in one quarter is pretty brutal, especially going into the playoffs.

[Jedieb]

The Niners had mostly scrubs in there and the Rams were playing like they had a playoff spot on the line. I think you have to look at how they did in that first quarter. That was a great starting drive, but they couldn't finish it off with a TD. They looked solid, but they certainly don't enter the playoffs with the roll that the Jets and some others have.

[Jedieb]

move along, nothing to see here....

[Jedieb]

Today's games are at 4:30 and 8PM EST. I'm surprised that there's no 1PM game, but I guess they want those west coast ratings. It makes sense, but try telling the Falcons that an 8PM game at Lambeau makes sense. I think Vick may freeze in his tracks.

[JMK]

Did Vick really say that he wouldn't be affected by the cold because it was relatively chilly where he played college ball? Please! Dude's gonna turn into a popsicle.

[Jedieb]

We do have a decent winter here, but it's nothing compared to Lambeau. It's not just the weather, it's the atmosphere and the history that's going to effect Atlanta. Throw in the fact that they struggled the last week of the season and I think Vick is in for a long day.

[Jedieb]

3 and out by the Jets D, then a couple of first downs that lead to a 56 yards screen pass for a TD. The Jets seem to have taken up where they left off against GB. I kind of wish ABC didn't have this game. I like Brent Musberger, but it's kind weird to hear two announcers call a game when they haven't been doing pro games all year. Musberger does a great job with college games. Does anyone remember him hosting the old CBS pre game show years ago? Good grief I'm ancient....

[Jedieb]

nothing to see here, move along