Another Reason to hate the Matrix

[Jedi Master Carr]

I read this on theforce.net these guys are playing hard ball with SW

Four years ago “The Matrix” arrived out of nowhere and grossed $171 million in the United States alone—terrific for an R-rated film. But it accelerated into a phenomenon thanks to DVD, becoming the format’s first title to sell a million copies. Fans watch it again and again, each time discovering cool new bits, like how the phone conversation that opens the film foreshadows a key betrayal and how scenes inside the Matrix have a green tinge while scenes in the “real world” are blue. (Sorry, geeked out there for a second...) Critics, meanwhile, lauded writer-directors Larry and Andy Wachowski for bringing an elegance and choreography to American action films that had been missing since the days of Sam Peckinpah. On a basic level, though, “The Matrix” was simply good storytelling. “I’ve heard the ‘Star Wars’ people boast about shooting frames that are 97 percent digital, and lo and behold, the movies are soulless,” says John Gaeta, visual-effects supervisor for all three “Matrix” movies. “They traded the whole idea of depth in filmmaking for this supertechnological hype. It helped us focus our own philosophy: the story drives everything.”

Well I disagree with them heck Keanu is a worst actor than anyone in SW. This also makes me mad because you don't see the makers of LOTR or HP bashing SW they both say great things about the movies, but these guys what are they trying to do???

[ReaperFett]

Fans watch it again and again, each time discovering cool new bits, like
...that there is a chapter skip button? ;)




Critics, meanwhile, lauded writer-directors Larry and Andy Wachowski for bringing an elegance and choreography to American action films that had been missing since the days of Sam Peckinpah.
Take commando, put the Propellorheads on and have him run on walls and you have better action. Remove the walls, and it gets better.


On a basic level, though, “The Matrix” was simply good storytelling.

It helped us focus our own philosophy: the story drives everything.”
AHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA! I've needed a good laugh, and now I have one! :lol

[Jedi Master Carr]

LOL Reaper.

[Sanis Prent]

Whoa...I know Kung Fu!

Now that is some heavy dialogue. I need to watch it again for it all to sink in.

[JediBoricua]

Wait a minute, wasn't the Matrix filmed/produced basically at the same time as TPM. They couldn't have possibly known how TPM was going to play out, how is was going to be received, etc.


They are just appealing to the basher crowd, big mistake IMO because how big is the Matrix fanbase? How much of that fanbase is made of SW fans? Stupid <smallfont color={hovercolor}>-Censored-</smallfont> remarks.

[Helenias Evenstar]

“I’ve heard the ‘Star Wars’ people boast about shooting frames that are 97 percent digital, and lo and behold, the movies are soulless,” says John Gaeta, visual-effects supervisor for all three “Matrix” movies. “They traded the whole idea of depth in filmmaking for this supertechnological hype. It helped us focus our own philosophy: the story drives everything.”

But I would agree. To be there is a much better story in The Matrix than Attack of the Clones. Certainly I did not feel like I had been ripped off after seeing The Matrix. Clones was entirely berifit of a soul for me, it was like watching a game, nothing more.

I will admit though, I am a Matrix addict. Chicks kicking backside and wishing I could fit into that leather costume.

[ReaperFett]

I find it funny though they gloat about their SFX, which is the reason I dont like the fights :)

[Darth Viscera]

I'm not really a Matrix fan, and I've watched it from beginning to end maybe 2 or 3 times, but give me the choice between watching the Matrix or TPM or AOTC and I'll pick Matrix any time, and twice on Sundays. For me, the prequels so far are just bleh (Padme's dialogue literally makes me cringe, and her liberal peace corps princess, condescending tone sends me into fits of rage), while I can imagine spending 2 hours and 16 minutes watching The Matrix again.

*shudder* I can truly sympathise with Nute Reagan for wanting the head of that bitch on his desk.

Doesn't mean that I won't spend $20 on the Ep III DVD to add to my collection, though :) (as if that needed saying)

[Dae Jinn]

Originally posted by ReaperFett

AHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA! I've needed a good laugh, and now I have one! :lol

omg, i luv you Fett ;) :lol

I thought The Matrix was okay, and Keanu did as good a job as he could :rolleyes. I wouldn't watch it ten-million times though...once was enough.

[ReaperFett]

Keanu did as good a job as he could
Id do as agood a job as I could, doesnt mean you should make me a nuclear scientist :)

[Admiral Lebron]

I felt that the Matrix just didn't have good replay value. Thats all.

[ReaperFett]

I agree there. I probably would be more neutral about the film had I not rewatched it

[JonathanLB]

The prequels are absolutely excellent films, there is no way you can appreciate the Star Wars Saga without loving the first two parts of a great movie series.

NO movie has a "soul," that is the stupidest, most inane saying I have ever heard. I get sick of this idiotic comparison used for movies. Even humans don't have souls, let alone movies. My god.

The plots of both Star Wars prequels are brilliant and captivating. These movies set up the entire original trilogy and give it greater emotional weight. They are produced the same way as the original trilogy, 90% of fans see this, the 10% that do not are obviously just driven by nostalgia to love the original trilogy and are blinded to the wonderful creation of the prequel trilogy. If anything, TPM and AOTC are better than any of the OT movies.

As for these idiotic comments by those fools at the effects house making The Matrix, their effects crew could learn about 1,000 things from ILM and George Lucas is the master of great storytelling. He is the greatest pure storyteller in film history. They wouldn't know the first thing about telling an epic story. I wouldn't be surprised if The Matrix 2 and 3 are merely "very good" action movies and not excellent, captivating films like the Star Wars sequels. Star Wars doesn't exist for A New Hope, it exists as a six-part saga. It wasn't built around A New Hope, it was built around a concept that spanned 6 movies. The Matrix is a ONE movie concept that they are stretching into 3, which may or may not work, but they will never, EVER achieve the level of success of the Lord of the Rings films or the Star Wars trilogies.

Keanu is quite possibly THE WORST successful actor in the history of movies. I can't think of any classic movie actor who made a ton of money that I'd really say was such a bland or poor actor. Keanu Reeves is a likable enough guy, but he's an oatmeal boy, a frickin' ham and egger. The guy is not skilled at all and he has no talent. He's a hack. I like him in The Matrix. That is it. Even in The Matrix, the only reason he works is because the story is really just that good and the effects were really just that good and the directing was just that good that even Keanu couldn't ruin it.

[Diego Van Derveld]

NO movie has a "soul," that is the stupidest, most inane saying I have ever heard. I get sick of this idiotic comparison used for movies. Even humans don't have souls, let alone movies. My god.

Talking about metaphysics like its fact really makes you look like a total rube.

[Darth Viscera]

Originally posted by JonathanLB
The prequels are absolutely excellent films, there is no way you can appreciate the Star Wars Saga without loving the first two parts of a great movie series.

Well apparently I've discovered a way to love the OT and dislike the prequels. I win an extra-special cookiee :)

And if people don't have souls, then why did Spock and Gandalf the White appear to be so disoriented after they came back from the dead? They were issued new souls, and were still getting used to them. Duh. ;)

[ReaperFett]

STOP SPOILING THE LORD OF THE RINGS! :)

[Jedieb]

I can think of at least one human that DEFINITELY has no soul. :lol

[ReaperFett]

Dracula?

[Jedieb]

Dracula isn't human. There are much worse souless bloodsuckers lurking about. ;)

[ReaperFett]

A Warner Brothers Executive?

[Jedieb]

Worse, a critic!

[Darth Viscera]

It's pronounced cricket! movie cricket

[JonathanLB]

Critics definitely have no souls. HOWEVER, people who review movies and choose not to call themselves critics do not fall into the category of those blood-sucking critics ;)

A Warner Brothers executive, haha, that was funny.

IMO, anyone who takes a foreign movie that was already released by another studio and then cuts a bunch out of it for the U.S. release is a soulless monster. I don't know how they can sleep at night. Specifically I'm referring to Miramax with Hero. I hate Miramax, grrr...

Anyway, actually people COULD have souls, I wouldn't know, but I was just saying since it isn't a fact that they do, it's not very logical to use that term for movies either. I think if you were going to say something like, "The movie has no heart," then that's still a dumb saying, IMO, because I'm more analytical about my reviews than using silly cliches like that, but it would make more sense. Probably if you say a film has no heart you mean that it has no central drive, no main purpose, no emotional impact perhaps. I don't know. I actually don't know specifically what anyone means by cliches like that, so that's why you shouldn't use them. It's like using the word "weird" in formal writing. That word is just useless because it isn't whatsoever descriptive.

If you're going to use a word like unusual, which I do use, then you have to say something like, "The Matrix is an unusual action/sci-fi film because it combines wonderful special effects with a meaningful and thoughtful story, too." But you don't just say, "The Matrix is an unusual film." Then you leave people wondering, "How so?"

[Lilaena De'Ville]

:mischief I would take Keanu to bed in an instant.

Does it really matter if he can act?

[ReaperFett]

Yes. If that's all hes good for, he can stick to porn films and modelling. Everyones happy :)

[BUFFJEDI]

Originally posted by Lilaena De'Ville
:mischief I would take Keanu to bed in an instant.

Does it really matter if he can act? o_O YIKES!!!!!! I expected better taste from DeVille:huh He was good in Point break(of course only due to his character)

Oh , I can't wait for Matrix 2. I can't wait for it to be one of the biggest FLOPS to ever hit the Big Screen. I still can't get over it getting credit for Bullet time, and Winning for best f/x in 99. What A crock of crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!WHOA!!!!

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Well actually I'd have to inspect the equipment, I don't want to waste my time on anything substandard. ;)

Keanu is a pretty boy, can't I lilke pretty boys? :(

[Jedi Master Carr]

I can think of something worse Jedieb a Laywer :p Actually I doubt the films will flop, I get sick and tired of hearing this crap that the sequel will make 300 that is not going to happen. It is R rated the highest R rated film made around 230 or so (It is either Beverly Hills Cop or Saving Private Ryan not sure which) and I don't see it doing much better than that, sure it could be the #1 film of the year, maybe though I expect ROTK to grab that honor (should make between 250-300). Also I agree with the bullet FX that was done in a Gap commerical first and then in the movie Lost in Space, I didn't see that movie get nominated for any oscars.

[Diego Van Derveld]

SPR was the one.

[Hadrian Invicta]

May be completely off, but wasn't Titanic rated R, it had nudity and I thought that was a sure fire way of getting an R rating. If so then there was an R-rated movie that made more than 300 million, but again I'm not to up-to-date with my Titanic trivia knowledge.

[ReaperFett]

Matrix has spinning round, a rumoured Dance sequence and posters which put emphasis on the clothing, over a white background. It's all an elaborate advert for GAP: Matrix :)

[Admiral Lebron]

I'm young, naive and could careless so I am eagarly awaiting the kickass action scenes of Matrix two and three. ^.^

[Darth Viscera]

Originally posted by Hadrian Invicta
May be completely off, but wasn't Titanic rated R, it had nudity and I thought that was a sure fire way of getting an R rating. If so then there was an R-rated movie that made more than 300 million, but again I'm not to up-to-date with my Titanic trivia knowledge.

It had nudity and was rated PG-13. Just having brief nudity doesn't get a film an R rating. Rightfully so, might I add.

[Darth Viscera]

Originally posted by Lilaena De'Ville
Well actually I'd have to inspect the equipment, I don't want to waste my time on anything substandard. ;)

Keanu is a pretty boy, can't I lilke pretty boys? :(

It's not the amount of cream cheese you have on your bagel, it's how efficiently you spread it so as to maximize your cream cheese intake on a bite per bite basis.

Of course, it's always good to have lots of cream cheese. Have you ever been to Bagel City? That place is the de facto jewish bagel joint, lots of cream cheese there, and very good potato pancakes, with a dollop of sour cream. But now you're rambling, Hollie.

But anyways, don't judge a book by its dust cover. And don't read uncircumcised books!

Well look at me, I'm made of strawberries! :huh

[JMK]

Quick someone call a Doctor! Darth hurt hit head again!

[Darth Viscera]

My name is your land...his name is his hand...from California...to the persian islands!
*sputter*
How can the swiss make both cheese and chocolate? It doesn't make any sense! :(

[ReaperFett]

Well you see, there are chocolate swiss, and there are cheese swiss :)

[Darth Viscera]

But then why doesn't swiss chocolate have any holes? :(

[ReaperFett]

Because they're more efficient

[Darth Viscera]

no they're not!

[ReaperFett]

Yes they are. Swiss chocolate efficiency

[Diego Van Derveld]

You forgot the clockmaking swiss, knifemaking swiss, and cough drop making swiss

[Darth Viscera]

and the Forschner 6 piece steak knife set making swiss

Oh wait, no you didn't. that's included under knifemaking.

aha! they make poultry shears too.

[ReaperFett]

and then there's some swiss who are just neutral :)

[Darth Viscera]

neutral...Swiss? Bah, don't be ridiculous! No swiss has EVER been neutral! :p

well, unless you count everything they've done from 1650 to the present time, that is. that's different.

[ReaperFett]

Short time though, unimportant