Lord of the Rings Box Office Part II : The Two Towers

[Marcus Telcontar]

OKay, bit early to start this off I know, but I'm going to make an educated guess here on what is likely to be be the only movie remaining this year that could beat Spiderman.

Opening - 67 Million

Final Gross 350 million.

HOWEVER....

Remeber the bet Master Yogurt and I had last year? It's on again, but this time the stakes are raised. The loser wears Rose for an Avatar and the bet is that TTT will beat Spiderman. If it doesn,t I wear it. If it does, Yog wears it. If TTT beats Titanic, we both wear a Titanic sig for a month.

[Master Yoghurt]

Being a LOTR fan, I will cheer if TTT does beat Spiderman. With a fantastic WOM from the last chapter, higher opening and similar legs, anything could happen.. :)

[Marcus Telcontar]

As much as I would like to see that as well, I dont think 400 million is realistic. But man, we know the open will be big - last time I remembered posting we plain did not know what LOTR would do. I said that LOTR was the true dark horse and could do anything or could bomb. Well, this time we know - it's going to be big. How big, I dont know. 300 million I would have to say is a given (though after AOTC, saying anything is given is risky, I thought it was a given AOTC would make 400 million) .

FOTR's opening was 18 million on it's first day and 47 million opening weekend.

[Master Yoghurt]

Right now, I am thinking 25M thursday and 60M 3-day weekend. This time around, there will be even more theaters and more buzz, which compensates for the increase in running length. I believe the two first weeks will acumulate higher grosses than FOTR..

320M+ is a lock. How much more it will make, I don't know.

[Quadinaros]

You guys sound convinced it will make more than the original.

I personally think that's a longshot. It will open big, but can't possibly show legs as strong as FOTR, which opened just eight months ago! I think the idea of releasing the trilogy in 3 years will hurt the sequels' box office. My early prediction is $250 million.

[JMK]

I think it will open bigger than FOTR, but like Quadrinaros, I don't think it will surpass it. I'm guessing 275-290M at this point, but as was said, anything is possible lately.

[Marcus Telcontar]

Word of Mouth will be phenomenal for TTT. I dont know what FOTR was like in the USA, but I can tell you it's swamped just about everything in Australia and in New Zealand, forget it, almost no other movie exists in the heart and minds of the public. The USA's returns were comparitively low compared to the rest of the world and even 4 months out, you could only compare the amount of people who really want to see LOTR:TTT to what TPM was. Or even more. I would say that TTT would have to be a dissappointment in the heart and minds if it could "only" get 250 million. Even on this forum, I could name 5 to 10 people who have only just seen LOTR on DVD / video and realised what they missed and have no intention of missing TTT in the theatres. A piece of crap like Austin Powers 3 can get close to 200 million these days, no way TTT will only get 250 million. Due to it's running length, I would say there is no way TTT could possibly get close to breaking opening records (except seasonal).

It all hearts and minds and in Australia at least, LOTR has them. I suggest this could well be the case. LOTR gained one hell of a lot of fans and watch them come out for the second helping. Plus, I would not be surprised to see New Line push what will be a sure hit for all it's worth. And why not? They have nothing to lose, the last one made blogs of cash, the DVD's are selling, and their parent AOL wants all the cash they can get. TTT will be pushed hard and it will get the mases out. How often does a studio have an absolute sure fire hit to work with?

The only reason that TTT wont make 70 million opening weekend is it's sheer length. If TTT is even half the movie of FOTR, I just cant see how it will be low as 250 million.

[Master Yoghurt]

If TTT makes less than 250M, I will wear the avatar of Scooby Doo for a month. :lol

[CMJ]

LOL Yoghurt!

I personally see a take in the 280M range.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I'm going to see it 55 times. To beat Jonathan's AOTC record.

j/k

:)

[ReaperFett]

I agree with those thinking it starts bright but doesnt make as much

[Lilaena De'Ville]

It might make more. This isn't exactly a "sequel" its a continuation of the same film. So I don't know that normal sequel rules will apply to it.

If I see TTT 55 times...I'll end up spending 13.75 entire days in the movie, and spending $316.25 on it!!! :x

[ReaperFett]

It is a sequel so to speack, because its the second film in recent time :)

[Jedi Master Carr]

I do too think it will open bigger but I think it will have bigger declines also I don't think it will get the Oscar nods that FOTR got, I just don't see a sequel getting best picture only the Godfather II did that but I think the people in the academy will be against it, especially seeing that it won none of the big Oscar nods. Considering that it will not make as much money from March to July next year as it did this past year and I think it will end up getting pulled around April because of the lack of Major Oscar nods considering that I think it will make between 275-300, and I am guessing 295 right now.

[JMK]

I think that if it makes it past 290, it will be left to make it to 300M like AotC.
I don't see the Academy shying away from this LOTR movie either. The early previews and the 10 sneak peek on the DVD look amazing. I think it has as good a shot as FOTR had to do well at the oscars.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Sure it will get 5 or 6 techinical oscars but will not get anything big like Best Picture or Best Screenplay, just won't happen because the Academy doesn't like giving things to sequels.

[jjwr]

If the Gandalf performance is just as good as in Fellowship then I could see McKellan score a Oscar, he got snubbed big time last year and quite often the Academy will do that but make up for it. With 2 more movies they probably figure they've got their chances to get him his.

I don't see it breaking 400M....its a sequel, that alone should pretty much guarantee it won't go that high.

[Jedi Master Carr]

That is possible that is why I didn't say he wouldn't because that could happen, I still don't see it getting a best picture nod that would be very much a surprise.

[Marcus Telcontar]

Care to make a bet based on the TTT B.O. again this year?

[Figrin D'an]

I don't know man... after the punishment last year, I'd be weary if I were Yog... :lol

[JediBoricua]

For those who missed it, can u please recap last year's results?

[Marcus Telcontar]

Bet was that FOTR would not clear TPM. The bet was that the loser would wear Leo as an Avatar for a month.

[JMK]

:lol Those were funny times....

[Master Yoghurt]

Ah, bets.. this will be fun! :D

Now, a quote from the box office thread:

I dont think Spidermans 100 million record is in doubt, but 200 million, that could well beHahaha, you must be kidding! 200M in 9 days or less?¿ No way! If that happens, I will ask Ogre to change my username to 'Rose' for a week! :rolleyes

And here is another one:

I'm betting TTT makes 300 million in four weeksAlthough, it IS possible, I would be willing to bet it does not.. :)

Lets recap the other bets I have running:
* If TTT beats Spiderman, I will wear the pic of Rose for avatar (1 week)
* If TTT makes less than 250M, I will wear the avatar of Scooby Doo for a month
* If TTT beats Titanic, I wear Titanic sig for a month

[Marcus Telcontar]

TTT!

Hey, seems we are discussing B.O. in a few threads, seems appropriate to raise the thread again!

And with the reviews coming in - all positive, but some mixed bag bits. Hmmm. Wearing Rose I will it looks like, unless TTT does something extraordinary

[Master Yoghurt]

Haha, yes you will :D

Or perhaps not. I some times have this odd feeling we might be in for a shock..

[Marcus Telcontar]

I'm now certain TTT will frighten us all with it's opening. No WAY is it going to start soft like FOTR did. Depending on theatres, 80 million is not out of the question.

BTW, can a mod or admin merge this thread and the other bet thread?

[Master Yoghurt]

Merged now :)

[Marcus Telcontar]

Cool, now we can mock each other's chances in the one place :D

[Master Yoghurt]

Yes, I am the master of mockery :D

Although TTT might not reach 400M in the US, I think it might beat Titanic in Norway this time around. Would you believe they had to build a 'hobbit village' in a park to organise the queues for the ticket sales 2 months before the opening? I tell you, we have some of the most fanatic fans besides New Zeeland. I believe everything is sold out until january for the more popular theaters.

Here is btw something cool I read at the box office mojo forums:

Alamo Drafthouse North in Austin, TX

12/17 Tuesday
23:58 show sold out
23:59 show sold out

12/18 Wednesday
15:00 show sold out
19:00 show sold out
22:35 show sold out

12/19 Thursday
19:00 show sold out

12/20 Friday
19:00 show sold out

[Marcus Telcontar]

In some places in Australia, FOTR was sold out for two weeks in advance. I had never seen anything like it. Yes, I had heard of the Hobbit village - that's amazing fanatical. After visiting NZ, you just cant believe how big Peter Jackson and LOTR is. It's gotten worse apparently - my father went there a fw weeks ago and the whole tourism industry is getting geared to show LOTR sites!

While in person he said, are outrageously beautiful

I do get the feeling TTT is a big wildcard again - who knows what it's going to do? All we do know is that it will be big, the fans are driving the hype machine and there are many, many, many more fans this time around. Dare I say it, the fan base could be bigger than Star Wars? It's definantly bigger than Potter. We can really only guess just how big.

[JediBoricua]

I think WW the fanbase is bigger than SW but not in the US.


Anyway my bet is 270 million. Like I said elsewhere, I hope I'm wrong.

[BUFFJEDI]

250-270 TOPS!! In the USA/canada that is. And I think I really am giving it to much credit. It will do well the first 2 weeks , so that is the ONLY chance it will have to go over my numbers. If I had to put one Final gross I would go 255.8 mil.UNLESS it's a HELLUVA first 2 weeks :)

It will only make as much as the True fans can afford. the avg movie goer had to have been turned off by the first one so they will side step this. It will be kind of like what TPM did to AOTC.

[Darth23]

Originally posted by Master Yoghurt
Yes, I am the master of mockery :D

Although TTT might not reach 400M in the US, I think it might beat Titanic in Norway this time around. Would you believe they had to build a 'hobbit village' in a park to organise the queues for the ticket sales 2 months before the opening? I tell you, we have some of the most fanatic fans besides New Zeeland. I believe everything is sold out until january for the more popular theaters.

Here is btw something cool I read at the box office mojo forums:

Alamo Drafthouse North in Austin, TX

12/17 Tuesday
23:58 show sold out
23:59 show sold out

12/18 Wednesday
15:00 show sold out
19:00 show sold out
22:35 show sold out

12/19 Thursday
19:00 show sold out

12/20 Friday
19:00 show sold out

You mean FOTR didn't pass Titanic. I thought it was declared a National Treasure in all the Scandinavian Countries, and every worker got like 2 weeks paid "Lord of the Rings' vacation time last year.

;)

[Master Yoghurt]

Well it was close. Titanic made about 1.2 million tickets, FOTR made 1 million. Titanic was quite a phenomenon over here. To understand how huge those numbers are, AOTC made about 400,000, and most of the big blocbusters make 200,000 to 300,000 tops. Here are some other numbers for comparison:

Lilo & Stitch: 291 520 (14 weeks)
XXX: 175 167 (9 weeks)
Red Dragon: 153 532 (6 weeks)

[Darth Viscera]

Here's what I'm guessing TTT will make (US openings-basing this on average $6.00 per ticket):

Tuesday 12/17:
$1,200,000
Wednesday 12/18:
$8,500,000
Thursday 12/19:
$7,000,000
Friday 12/20:
$11,500,000
Saturday 12/21:
$26,000,000
Sunday 12/22:
$21,000,000

That's $75,200,000 in the first 5 days.

I also think that by January 2nd 2003 TTT will have broken the $200,000,000 mark. That's an average of about $12.5 million per day between 12/23 and 1/3, or about 2 million tickets per day in the US sold.

[Marcus Telcontar]

I'd say your far too low for your forcast on the 2nd and third day. Add 10 million to both and also to Friday

[Darth Viscera]

In the U.S., people don't watch movies on weekdays very frequently. My numbers reflect that.

I remember very well the Wednesday that TPM came out. Hottest cinema in the county (and there are like 15 multiplexes in my county), Regal 13, it was 3pm, I was alone in the theater.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I think thats true for the most part, unless its a holiday like Thanksgiving and then even no movie did that well this year. Still, I think it will do very well on Wed, but will drop 50% on Thursday, FOTR did that last year.

[Darth23]

Originally posted by Darth Viscera
In the U.S., people don't watch movies on weekdays very frequently. My numbers reflect that.

I remember very well the Wednesday that TPM came out. Hottest cinema in the county (and there are like 15 multiplexes in my county), Regal 13, it was 3pm, I was alone in the theater.

People go to see Big movies when they open. Phantom Menace made $28 million on a Wednesday - the kiddies were all still in school. Some people will be off by the 18th, especially college students.

[JMK]

I get the sense that this series will be very consistent. I think TTT will crack 300 million, but if it doesn't, it will be damn close.

[Darth23]

I think that's the real key for this movie.

Will it match the first segment, or will it perform more like AOTC and Harry Potter, and many other sequels.

I don't think it will make a lot more than FOTR, but I still kind fo thinkit will be in the same ballpark as the first one, even though Harry P's performance is giving me doubts.

[Marcus Telcontar]

Depends on the reply value of TTT.

What COS was a very good movie, it's not the type of movie someone can watch over and over again, getting somethign new out of,. FOTR had great reply value. FOTR was really one of those movies you had to redigest - or certainly I had to.

No reply value, low numbers, no matter how good it is

[Darth Viscera]

I think that TTT will have replay value, just not as much as FOTR did. The scope of FOTR was all over the place-from Hobbiton to the Emyn Muil, it was way too much info to digest in one sitting.

IMO, TTT is far more clear cut plotwise than FOTR was, and it'll be easier to digest. Less replay value.

[JMK]

But maybe those HUGE battle sequences will keep the people coming back. I know I'll see it at least twice just for the battle scenes.

[Marcus Telcontar]

One thing I am glad to report is that the reviews rolling in are overwhelmingly posititive. Breathe a sigh of relief, it's clear Jackson's delivered.

But now how the hell am I supposed to contain my excitement?

[JediBoricua]

Cold showers?

[BUFFJEDI]

:lol :lol


Down load it of the net:D

Didn't the great and mighty Jackson;) j/k film all three at the same time??

[Marcus Telcontar]

It's not availible as yet and I certainly will NOT even think about seeing a shoddy pirate version first. LOTR is the type of film that you have to see on the big screen

[BUFFJEDI]

Yeah I would have to agree. No matter how good/bad the film maybe , i think something on it's scale should never be viewed that way .But was all three filmed at the same time??Or did I just Think I heard that?

[JediBoricua]

They were.

[BUFFJEDI]

Thanks, Boricua:)

I think Marcus just didn't know ;)

[JediBoricua]

:lol

[JMK]

Whatever, I think Marcus may have been on the bloody set with Jackson! I think I spotted him in the DVD extras! :lol

[Marcus Telcontar]

Crap, my cover is blown!

[JMK]

You can't fool all of us all of the time my friend! :lol

[JediBoricua]

I knew that guy behind Jackson holding a frying pan looked familiar.

;)

[Marcus Telcontar]

I was Sam's stunt double in the mines

[Marcus Telcontar]

http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/2/1039805567

Roeper and Ebert appartently give it the two thumbs up.

And the reviews coming are all but one positive to fanboy gushing.

2 more weeks for me....

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Augh I don't have tickets yet!! :eek

I need to check for midnight showings...I might see it twice on the 18th....

[Marcus Telcontar]

Well here is the plan for dress ups for the 26th...

1) Ringwraiths. With Bunny Rabbit slippers.

2) Warwick the Pink, the forgotten Wizard.

3) Spock

4) This one got a guernsey, but we dont think the theatre will like it - a roll of newspaper, stuck between the buttcheeks and then lit. Hey, Eye of Sauron!

[Figrin D'an]

Ebert didn't really care for 'Fellowship.' I wonder if he actually genuinely liked TTT, or just felt it was better then FOTR.

[Marcus Telcontar]

Seems to have liekd it better.

[Marcus Telcontar]

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,5712708%255E1702,00.html

Frell. 42 million worldwide on ONE day. A Wednesday too. And look at all the countires it beat records in. Ay ay ay.

[Marcus Telcontar]

The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers grossed $42 million on its opening day worldwide, $16 million from the international territories, up nearly 45% from last year's one day worldwide gross of $29 million. The film broke all single day records in Denmark and opening day records in seven other international territories (despite the fact that it opened on a Wednesday). The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring bowed to an $11 million international opening day last year. The current title is playing on nearly 12,000 screens worldwide, 6,633 screens domestic and 5,000 internationally.

"Seeing increases in major territories speaks to the emerging worldwide phenomenon built around this trilogy," Rolf Mittweg, New Line Cinema's president and chief operating officer, worldwide, distribution, and marketing said. "This powerful response also illustrates the true universality of (J.R.R.) Tolkein's themes and the broad reach of (Peter) Jackson's vision" He adds, "We're astounded at these numbers. For a three-hour film that is central in a trilogy to open this way is energizing and tremendously exciting."

Opening day-and-date with the United States in numerous global territories, the film broke all single day records in Denmark, and marked the highest opening day ever in Germany, Austria, Finland, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Belgium, Sweden, and Norway. Further, the film posted increases from last year's opening day of The Fellowship of the Ring in all territories, up as high as 98% in Belgium. The Two Towers grossed $523,000 in Austria, up 69%, $300,000 in Belgium, up 98%, $830,000 in Denmark, up 66%, $240,000 in Finland, up 38%, $1,930,000 in France, up 21%, $3,950,000 in Germany, up 36%, $218,000 in Greece, up 51%, $350,000 in the Netherlands, up 85%, $790,000 in Norway, up 65%, $156,000 in South Africa, up 39%, $1,080,000 in Spain, up 40%, $950,000 in Sweden, up 38%, $350,000 in Switzerland, up 63%, and $3,900,000 in the United Kingdom, up 28%.

Opening on Thursday are six more territories (including New Zealand and South Korea) and another six on Friday (including Mexico.

[CMJ]

Actually it seemed to me that Ebert enjoyed TTT about as well as FOTR. That is, he enjoyed it...but didn't care for it's focus.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

...can you imagine how RotK is going to open? :eek

[ReaperFett]

At the cinema ;)


I believe Ebert's problem is the focus not being on the Hobbits, correct?

[CMJ]

Yeah Reaper, he made big mention of it in both reviews.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

har har har, that isn't what I meant, Feet. :)

[Ryla Relvinian]

http://gtf.org/tanya/torn/images/line_forms5.jpg

This was the Portland, Oregon line party, headed up by The One Ring.net. I'm dressed as Eowyn, farthest on the right. The wind appears to be blowing my skirt up a bit, and you can see that all the fashionable ladies of Rohan wear Doc Martins, of course. Booya! Good thing that dress wasnit actually in TTT, because now I have something to wear to ROTK.

[William Neir]

You look like a Medieval Nights serving girl.

Get me an ale, wench!

[Master Yoghurt]

I am back now. Great to see TTT doing so well :)

[ReaperFett]

Didnt beat TPM's Wednesday I hear

[Master Yoghurt]

This one runs at allmost 3 hours though, which means less screenings in a day :)

[ReaperFett]

Ah rubbish. There was as many TTT screenings at my local Warner Village than I remember for TPM :)

[Sanis Prent]

I side with Fett on that one. The margin between 3 hours and 2 and 40 isn't really significant enough to affect the numbers.

[sirdizzy]

no TMP was 2 hours 20 minutes, and there are less creening of the two towers here in my town but its at more theatres too

[Marcus Telcontar]

2 hours 20 for TPM. Not 2hr 40

[Sanis Prent]

There's padding time however. I worked at the theater, and you add more than showtime.

[ReaperFett]

Sorry to say, but Sanis is going to be the expert here by farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ;)

[Sanis Prent]

Well, OBVIOUSLY, haha. I mean, anyone who disagrees with me knows nothing, and is not a fan of movies!



;)

[ReaperFett]

You have the inside track. For once, you actually have an excuse to p*** on my opinions from a great height ;)

[Sanis Prent]

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;)

[Marcus Telcontar]

He's also wrong. Your goign to be putting TTT on one theatre, max you could play it in a 12 hr period is 3 times. You could get 4 showings of TPM in the same time. IF you only added on 30 minutes to get people in and out, clean up, previews, adds and all that, your lucky if you can play TTT every 3.5 hours. Not so with TPM, under three hours easy. Yousimply can play TPM more times in the given time span.

Your better off comparing AOTC to TTT - the extra twenty minutes would possibly mean you could only play AOTC three times.

[ReaperFett]

MULTIPLEXES. MUL-TEEEEE-PLEX ;)

No offense, but I think he knows more about preparing a cinema than you, unless you've worked in one before.

[Sanis Prent]

Per average, on an above 2 hour film, you have 2 matinee viewings and 2 full price viewings per day. Per average must be used because not all theaters are adherent to the same opening and closing times (For instance, some do midnight showings, some do not. Some do extended weekend showings, and some do not. Some operate around the clock and some do not). Thus, with anything above 2 hours, you'll have the same tendencies per screen, on a national scale.

Not to mention, TTT is playing on more screens than TPM did, I believe.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Originally posted by Sanis Prent
Well, not everybody can be a true movie fan, haha. I guess the only way you can claim to love it is to work in a movie theater, obviously. I can elaborate further on this by blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .......blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah...

(Coffee break)

...Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah ......blah! So, obviously, you must accept whatever I say about the movies, because I am "the source".

;)

:lol

Comedy gold. :)

[Marcus Telcontar]

Your times are not adding up.

If you run TTT 4 times, your needing to have 3h 30 per screening. That's 14 hours.

In the same time, you can run TPM, given a 2h 50 min turnaround time of almost 5 times - you run 15 minutes over on the fifth screening. with a movie in real heavy demand, that's a no sweat, run the film five times. But showing TTT 5 times? 17.5 hours. You open at 6 am and run till midnight. Nope.

TPM showed on I think 5500 screens, TTT is on 6500. You then allude 27500 showing for TPM in 14.1 hours, compared to 26000 to TTT in 14 hours. This is presuming a theatre owner will try to maximise the return of the print.

AOTC OTOH, woud be in the ame boat as TTT. The extra twenty minutes nukes the possibility of a fifth screening - and remember, i'm presuming opening weekends when deman is highest. A fifth screenign is justified for TPM and I would think you would be nuts not to play if there is the demand, which on the first week of TPM< there certainly was

There are a shed load of other factors that I can think of that would up or down number of showings, but to me, there is more chance with TPM to have more screenings.

I still say your not comparing the right film. AOTC is of resonably similar length on similar amout of screens.

[ReaperFett]

In the same time, you can run TPM
Can doesnt mean will :)

[Marcus Telcontar]

Can doesnt mean will

Lure of the dollar says WILL. You have customers queueing up to pay, then you would be nuts to not show. Even if we reduce the theatre operating time to 12 hours, TPM shows 4 times, TTT three.

But I again insist, your not comapring like to like. There are too many factors to make a TPM - TTT comparision run well. A AOTC - TTT comparision runs better - except realyl for one thing. Seasons. I wonder what TTT would be capable of dinong in the peak Box Office season. I wonder what AOTC would do in winter, without Memorial Day, the biggest day for moives, or so I'm told.

[ReaperFett]

Fact is, TPM made more on a Wednesday. Nothing else. It wins ;)

[Marcus Telcontar]

And? Am I disputing that? I'm simply pointing out two things - a) Posibility of TTT to make money was likely to have been lower and B) your picking the wrong comparision. Too many factors in B.O. rollups to make a genuine one on one comparision work well.

Lets try a few.

1) TPM had far greater hype. After all, it was the return of Star Wars
2) TPM had a far bigger built in fan base - and arguably Star Wars still has
3) TPM was contracted to play in the biggest and best theatres. Pretty sure you would play TTT in the smae... but who knows.
4) 40 mins shorter running time does mean more showings in a given time period as already demonstrated.
5) TPM released in a season conductive to large returns.

As I've stated, there really are just too many factors to make a true and fair comparison. Compare AOTC and TTT, cause there is not as many variables. YOu can make a clean statement of Fact.

[ReaperFett]

1) TPM had far greater hype. After all, it was the return of Star Wars
And that was LOTR coming to the screen, after the much loved first :)


2) TPM had a far bigger built in fan base - and arguably Star Wars still has
Also has a larger hate-base though


5) TPM released in a season conductive to large returns.
Who's fault's that? :)

[Marcus Telcontar]

Point one - Still nowhere near that of TPM

Point two - Irrevelent. The fan base outweighed haters by a huge margin and there were very few TPM bashers before opening day. Star Wars hate grew after the openig, remember.

Point three - Irrevelent. It's there to serve to show comparisions are useless. Compare like to like.

Interesting I've offered a comparision that might work out and your not taking it up. AOTC / TTT comparisions could be made. Not TPM / TTT.

[ReaperFett]

Because I dont know the figures of EP2s opening day :)

[Marcus Telcontar]

www.boxofficemojo.com

[Jedi Master Carr]

Well AOTC made over 30 in its first day so it beat it two if you want to compare that. I am curious of the weekend numbers obviosly Spiderman is #1 for the year and will stay that way at 114. Harry Potter 2 is second at 87 right now AOTC is 3 at 80, I think TTT will fall in the 65-70 range so it will be 4th for weekend openings.

[Sanis Prent]

The notion that more times equals more dollars is a misnomer. Cost of each run must be considered, and there are quite a few in there. There is no sense squeezing in a red-eye showing of a movie when the gains aren't as significant to overhead contribution and per-viewing expenditures.

Trust me. I've done the math. If theaters were about squeezing as many viewings as possible, they could. Not to mention, hitting prime viewing times helps to attract more people. Note, your showings normally gravitate around 1 PM, 4 PM, 7 PM and 10 PM. This is not by accident.

[Master Yoghurt]

I am too tired to do the maths properly right now (perhaps when I get home later today), but I think TTT would have made around 30M with the same running length as TPM (just a number from the top of my head, not a calculation). I might dig up some comparisons of show times for TPM and TTT later this weekend

Anyway, this discussion is fairly academical, as adjusted for inflation TPM would make more

All I am saying is, TTT's opening numbers are very impressive, especially concidering the running length :)

[Sanis Prent]

I'm trying to explain that above 2 hours, running time is pretty much irrelevant. They pad the showtimes from that point onward with downtime between films.

[Marcus Telcontar]

The maths I have presented says your wrong. You seriously trying to tell us that TPM's turnaround time is padded to be something like TTT????

Not a chance, because you want to turn around theatres as fast as you can to jam people in. If your theatre did diferent, then you had someone owning said theatre with their head up their <smallfont color={hovercolor}>-Censored-</smallfont>. A theatre without bums in seats = a theatre losing dollars. Simple economic reality.

[ReaperFett]

I went to see LOTR on opening day. 3/4 full. Had roughly the same amount of showings as TPM too, as it had about the maximum the cinema is willing to show.

[Marcus Telcontar]

Well if we are going to compare where we saw TPM / TTT... (or in my case FOTR)

TPM - two theatres, from memory 10 screenings
FOTR - 3 theatres, 12 screenings

I'll also add FOTR nailed TPM first day in Australia. 2.7 million played 4.1 million - BUT FOTR came out on the biggest movie day in Australia.

THe USA is actually one of LOTR's (in percentage) weaker markets. In quite a few Intl markets, TPM was beaten. If FOTR played out in the USA liek it did in Australia, it would have had a Spidermanesque opening and made... ummm... was it 480 million? Anyway the point was in the USA it underperformed in comparision to other markets. I'd admit tho, FOTR was played more per day that TPM. Still, TPM did not sell out theatres for two weeks like FOTR did.

[ReaperFett]

Well, I cant compare. I saw TPM in a full cinema two weeks late, but I think that was just timing.

[Marcus Telcontar]

International Report -

Nominated for Golden Globe awards for best picture and best director, The Two Towers also unspooled in 26 international markets and grossed an estimated $85M over five days, according to distributor New Line Cinema. Roughly 5,000 additional prints are currently circulating overseas with several key territories still to open. Fellowship was a worldwide behemoth grossing over $860M and with an expanded fan base, Towers aims to set an even higher benchmark.

101 million for USA
85 Million for Intl.

Holy <smallfont color={hovercolor}>-Censored-</smallfont>. Not even Potter screamed off to a start like that. 186 million in five days!!!!!!

[Jedi Master Carr]

Harry didn't debut in so many countries either. I still think its going to be a close race for #1 and its going to be between HP:COS and TTT, they both are going to fall between 820-850, I feel.

[Marcus Telcontar]

HP : COS hasnt got a chance. The only place TTT is behind on day count basis is the USA an one more day it will be in front. The gap after that will grow. I really do not think COS will reach 800 million - but TTT can.

If you go to 7 days, you can see TTT will do 200 million world wide at the very least in it's opening week. New Line must be wettign themselves with the speed the dollars are coming in

Edit - Actually, TTT is already in front in the USA. 5 day COS return was 98 million, full 7 days is 117 million.

[Jedi Master Carr]

HP 2 has made 600 WW, it should make another 200, IMO, especially since it has had low drops over seas. I am getting most of this information from the Mojo forums some of the guys there think it will increase over the holidays like it did last year and it could. They say that LOTR and HP help each other not hurt each other. I still say it will be close but this is just my opinion.

[Loki Ahmrah]

Viggo Mortenson once beautifully compared our obsession with money with lust for the One Ring. Honestly, ever since then I have really not thought about how much money a film is making at all. Not being smart <smallfont color={hovercolor}>-Censored-</smallfont> but rather repetituious.

[Marcus Telcontar]

HEY POTTER!! DID YOU HAVE TO BREAK UP A FUN DISCUSSION WITH ACTUAL LOGIC AND REALITY????

Geez louise! Let us have our fun!

:p :mneh

JMC, can you point out where the COS number you quoted is? I was aware it had one 300 Intl, 400 seems a bit high.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Well that is a good point, I just like looking at because its interesting, in the end it doesn't affect my judgement of films except for some POC like Pluto Nash, which gives it another reason why it was so bad.

[Marcus Telcontar]

12/18/2002 1 $26,159,972
12/19/2002 1 $13,878,712
12/20/2002 1 $19,450,000
12/21/2002 1 $22,850,000
12/22/2002 1 $20,031,131

Since when does a movie play better on a Sunday, than on a Friday???

[ReaperFett]

Not as many have work on the Monday, so dont have to go bed early.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Well as of last weekend it had made 573 WW I figured by now it has reached 600 (It has made about 6-7 in the US and I figured it made at least 20 overseas).
Edit I just see on Mojo that it has made 396 thru Sunday, I assume this is an estimate, they say that Potter has held pretty well against LOTR, here is the report

http://boxofficemojo.com/intl/weekend/2002/51.htm

That means it has made 624 WW should pass AOTC very soon, maybe by the end of the year. It should pass Spiderman's INT's numbers this week.

[Marcus Telcontar]

Estimate 14 million Monday
8.7 Tuesday (Same drop occured last year too)

[Marcus Telcontar]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/Entertainment/story_44260.asp

Another opening day record falls

[Marcus Telcontar]

ReelSource just reported actual numbers from New Line:


12/23 - $13,509,942
12/24 - $7,790,050
12/25 - $12,381,307
12/26 - $15,455,171

Total $151,182,682

TTT is now pretty certain to race past 200 million by new year. Might even pass COS by the end of it's third weekend.

[Marcus Telcontar]

Intl now is at 95 million, USA 151 million.

246 million worldwide.

[Marcus Telcontar]

Est 200.1 million USA

Est 190 Intl.

[Jedieb]

It looks to me light TTT has a very good shot at $300M. That first hold was pretty solid. We'll know more once the holiday break is over, but I think it has a very good shot at matching FOTR.

[JMK]

Just as I and several millions of others suspected...;)

[Marcus Telcontar]

I say that with the likelyhood of being within shooting distnace of 270 million by the end of next weekend and a very obvious good legs startign to kick in, 300 million is a cert. 350 million is very possible. It is now 50 million up from FOTR and still rising. With nothing in January to oppose it, 375 is what I think it will end up with. 400 is not possible without Oscar nods.

I think that New line wont push for Oscars this time around - look for a huge push with ROTK.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I bet they get a best picture nomination, but won't win.

[Marcus Telcontar]

Too many other good movies around this year.

[Jedieb]

I think it's going to be a very impressive accomplishment for a SEQUEL with this kind of running time to outperform an original that had such a strong B.O. run to begin with. I can't think of any other franchise to pull that off. They usually go the way of HP (big hit, diminishing returns on sequels) or Austin Powers (decent hit, huge on video/cable, smash hit sequel).

[Marcus Telcontar]

Quite lot of LOTR Box Office is defying expectations. Someone should tell Peter Jackson fantasy movies shouldnt be 3 hours long, based on a book nerds love, filmed in NZ with a cast of almsot unknowns, spending ridiculous amounts of money.

New Line didnt play it safe and look at the returns they are now getting. FOTR basically meant TTT only had to pay for it's own marketign and ROTK is just pure profit. My understanding is that New Line are giving Jackson his way on ROTK and it will be as long as he believes it needs to be. 3.5 hours probably.

Oh, and in Australia TTT scored 14.5 million opening.

Compare to the chart of record openings....

1 LOTR: THE TWO TOWERS 2002 14.115
2 STAR WARS: ATTACK OF THE CLONES 2002 11.967
3 HARRY POTTER AND THE CHAMBER OF SECRETS 2002 10.641
4 SPIDER-MAN (13.0) 2002 10.564
5 LOTR: THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING 2001 9.750

I'll add that opening weekend is always 4 day, as Thursday is the traditional openign day for any movie. AOTC is the current 2002 champ for totals. 33.434 million. FOTR scored 46.725 million.

[Jedieb]

Wow... are the aboriginees buying tickets as well?!

[Marcus Telcontar]

Dunno. I have never seen such massive line ups for any movie. And they are still lining up, today. I tried to go see TTT at the local and found out it's sold out for a week.

A WEEK!

This is getting surreal

[Marcus Telcontar]

And what is even more surreal, TTT has officially scored another 200 million in WW takings. 403 million in 12 days. Intl total now stands at 203 million and going up blazingly fast. Spiderman is 414, Potter right now is 458, AOTC is 334. TTT stands at 203.

So, WW...

Spiderman 818
Potter 699
AOTC 640 (Approx)
TTT 403

[Darth Viscera]

TTT passed $200 million on Sunday 12/29 for U.S. ticket sales. That's a lot of cash for just its 12th day O.O

Maybe this means New Line will give PJ $100 million to make The Silmarillion?

[Marcus Telcontar]

Originally posted by Darth Viscera
TTT passed $200 million on Sunday 12/29 for U.S. ticket sales. That's a lot of cash for just its 12th day O.O

Maybe this means New Line will give PJ $100 million to make The Silmarillion?

I very much doubt he would ever want to do it. But, I am certain New Line would give Jackson the cash to do whatever the hell he wanted next. Jackson said he's goignt o do something small next - but somewhere, I know he wants to do King Kong. Maybe Newline will bank roll that, cause Jackson's turned New Line into a major studio with lots of cash. I reckon they owe him a lot - even given that New Line took a huge risk on him. I bet they think he's paid that one off in spades.

[Darth Viscera]

Why do you doubt that he would want to do Silmarillion? The Hobbit, then?

[ReaperFett]

Jackson's said he wont do The Hobbit. He wants to move on to other things. Now he can do his dream film, Godzilla.

[Jedieb]

Mojo has a chart comparing FOTR, TTT, TPM, & AOTC:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/vs-lotr-sw.htm

They've also got a chart for LOTR V. HP. It's amazing how badly TTT is going to crush HP2. HP2 has nothing to be ashamed about. It did what you expect a sequel to do. It's TTT that's going against the norm.

[Darth Viscera]

It's definitely clearing $300 mill, but I don't think that it's going to get to TPM's level ($431 mill). $380 mill, maybe?

[Marcus Telcontar]

TTT is ahead of HP1 even.

Vis, yeah, TTT will clear 300 without a doubt. Look for TTT to get past 270 on Sunday latest. 380 is possible, we'll know next week just how far past 300 mill TTT will get

[JMK]

So if RotK is even better, and earns more than both movies, would it be the only franchise to have increased grosses as the sequels went on?

[Marcus Telcontar]

Well, so far Austin Powers has done that.

[Darth23]

Originally posted by Marcus Elessar
TTT is ahead of HP1 even.

Vis, yeah, TTT will clear 300 without a doubt. Look for TTT to get past 270 on Sunday latest. 380 is possible, we'll know next week just how far past 300 mill TTT will get

More like 260. Since New Year's is over, the bottom is about to drop out of the Box Office.

The only question is how well TTT can hang on to an audience now that the holidays are over.

[Marcus Telcontar]

Well TTT is estimates to be 219 at Tuesday, New Years day likely to be 11 m +, and 36 million Thursday to Sunday. 260 is too low. If TTT misses 270, it will only be just - I think it will be just because the dropoffs so far are lowish and been better than FOTR's.

My thinking says right now 268 atht e end of the weekend. Then we'll see after that

[Jedieb]

I know that many schools in the U.S. are still out for the entire week. X-Mas fell on a day of the week that encouraged most school districts to give students a full 2 week break. That should help the Thurs. and Fri. numbers a bit. Everyone's back to work and school next week so that'll hurt the numbers. That's when we get to really see what kind of legs TTT will have.

[Marcus Telcontar]

Well, 11.6 million estimate Wednesday.

[Figrin D'an]

The Silmarillion is far too complicated to film. It's really a history text, for all intensive purposes. No one outside of die-hard Tolkien fans would understand it, or really care for that matter.

The Hobbit would be cool, but it seems that Jackson will be ready to move on to new things once ROTK is done. He's openly said that these films are very much a 'labor of love,' and while he has loved every minute of the process, that it was by far the most difficult and trying project he's ever done. He sounds like he wants a long vacation once ROTK is done. I can't say that I blame him... he's earned it, to say the least.

[Darth23]

Originally posted by Marcus Elessar
Well TTT is estimates to be 219 at Tuesday, New Years day likely to be 11 m +, and 36 million Thursday to Sunday. 260 is too low. If TTT misses 270, it will only be just - I think it will be just because the dropoffs so far are lowish and been better than FOTR's.

My thinking says right now 268 atht e end of the weekend. Then we'll see after that

From EntertainmentData.com (http://www.entdata.com/bonews/bonewsframes.html)

Weekend Estimates:

1) Lord Of The Rings: Two Towers - $25.65 million [261.7 million total]
2) Catch Me If You Can - $21.27 million
3) Two Weeks Notice - $11.62 million
4) Maid In Manhattan - $9.00 million
5) About Schmidt - $8.75 million
6) Gangs Of New York - $7.40 million
7) Drumline - $5.60 million
8) The Wild Thornberrys - $5.50 million
9) Chicago - $5.02 million
10) Harry Potter Chamber Secrets - $4.54 million


FOTR's weekend drops have been better than TTT (18% vs 21% and now 40% vs 47.5%)

Not nearly as dramatic as the difference between TPM and AOTC though. :p

Now that the holidays are over it will be interesting to see if TTT can have the same staying power as FOTR. I don't think it will. FOTR had FOUR of weekends with 20 something percent drops after January, and it had an Oscar nomination bounce.

I have a feeling that the award nominations won't be as big a factor for TTT. People know how good it is and how well FOTR did with awards so more nominations this year won't convince many people who haven't seen it to give it a try. Plus is very likely that TTT was more frontloaded than FOTR.

Still, at this point last year, FOTR had another $100 million to go, so wouldn't be too surprising to see TTT make that much more before the end of it's run.

My 'official' prediction was 314 million, but right now I think it will end up in the 330 - 350 million range.

[Marcus Telcontar]

Interestingly, was just about to post on that. Friday was very low for some reason and the week day figures were a bit odd too. Brandon Gray of BOM hypothesised that New Line fudged the TTT 200 million figure last week and have been slwly readjusting TTT down to where it really is. The hypothesis was that TTT actually had 198. It made for interesting reading.

So somewhere along the line, TTT was over reported and has now been bought back down, plus that odd Friday where the increase was too small. Weather hampered maybe?

Still, doing bloody well. 62 million third week is excellent.

And 560 Million worldwide apparently.

[Darth23]

Originally posted by Marcus Elessar
Interestingly, was just about to post on that. Friday was very low for some reason and the week day figures were a bit odd too. Brandon Gray of BOM hypothesised that New Line fudged the TTT 200 million figure last week and have been slwly readjusting TTT down to where it really is. The hypothesis was that TTT actually had 198. It made for interesting reading.

So somewhere along the line, TTT was over reported and has now been bought back down, plus that odd Friday where the increase was too small. Weather hampered maybe?

Still, doing bloody well. 62 million third week is excellent.

And 560 Million worldwide apparently.

Not 'some reason'.

It's the end of the holidays. People are back to work, people are travelling or getting ready to travel.

FOTR's weekday dropped big after New Year's so it was pretty likely that TTT would as well. The numbers are still higher than last year.

[Marcus Telcontar]

The 'some reason' was to do with an unexpectantly low Firday that did not tee up with the Saturday total.

[Darth Viscera]

I think i'll stick with 380 mill, based on brief glanceatory extrapolations with FOTR.

[Darth23]

Originally posted by Marcus Elessar
The 'some reason' was to do with an unexpectantly low Firday that did not tee up with the Saturday total.

TTT's Friday performance isn't that surprising.

Last year FOTR made 10.188 million on New Years, 10.28 million the following Saturday, and approximately 70% of that number on Friday (6.8 million).

This year TTT made 11.04 million on New Years, 11.25 million on Saturday and approximately 70% of that number on Friday. [7.8 million]

The number's are still slightly higher, but they're pretty consistent.

(I DO think that Sundays final number will end up being higher than the estimate... again)

[Marcus Telcontar]

Australian report -

It's already clear what will win 2002 box office. Attack of the clones finished on 34 million, COS right now is 31 - and TTT, after just two weeks has blown every single speed record away by considerable margins to be at 25.8 million after just two weeks. TTT had a 54% drop on the weekend comparision - but here is a staggering thought - 10% of the eintire Australian population have seen TTT already. Average ticket price is about 10 dollars when you factor in student and concessions. Even at 12pm today whe I saw TTT for the third time the theatre was 1/3 full. Not bad for an early opener.

FOTR made 47 million BTW.

[Darth23]

Yeah bt it's Summer down there.

:p

How much did Harry 1 make? And what are the top 3 all-time?

[Marcus Telcontar]

HP 1 = 43 million

Top three

Titanic - 58 million
Croc Dundee - 48
FOTR - 47

[Darth23]

Cool.

Thanks


(damn boat movie)

[Oriadin]

I love the croc Dundee movies!
How did Titanic ever do as well as it did. I think the films decent but certainly not great. Well, except for Kate Winslet. *Heart melts*

[Darth23]

So will TTT pull out a 4th week ant number one?

Catch Me if you Can is nipping at it's heels. and Just Married is comign out too.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Just Married is that comedy with Brittany Murphy right? It could overtake it, is Chicago or About Schmidt getting released wider though?

[Marcus Telcontar]

I think Catch Me will get TTT. Just. Just Married... I dunno. lokks very dumb.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I know but dumb comedies sometimes make money. I think Chicago could do it, if it gets into more theaters but I am not sure how they are releasing it.

[Marcus Telcontar]

Doesnt get wide release for nother two weeks I believe

[Jedi Master Carr]

Okay I wasn't sure, Catch me if you can could do it I think especially look at its Wed they are like a thousand dollars apart.

[Darth23]

Friday Estimates:

1) JUST MARRIED - $6,200,000
2) CATCH ME IF YOU CAN - $4,500,000
3) LORD OF THE RINGS: THE TWO TOWERS - $3,925,000
4) TWO WEEKS NOTICE - $2,185,000
5) ABOUT SCHMIDT - $1,750,000

[Jedi Master Carr]

I guess there are a lot of people who want to see a stupid movie :p TTT, really dropped wow it might not even make 15 million probably will make 12-14 that would be another 45% drop looks like it is dropping like FOTR did the beginning of last year.

[Darth23]

FOTR dropped 40% and 29% after New Years.

Last Week TTT dropped 48% and this week it looks like it will drop about 40%


TTT will almost definitely out-gross FOTR, but it doesn't look like it will have the same great legs that the first one had.

The next big question is whether or not TTT can make it 5 straight weekends over $10 million next week.

[Marcus Telcontar]

Maybe just. No better. Looks like 340 max right now

[Jedi Master Carr]

I think it will do 330 but that is just a guess.

[Darth23]

After all the fireworks it looks like TTT will gross about 5% more than FOTR.

[Marcus Telcontar]

Australain report -

Hard to see TTT beating FOTR's total, although it still could. TTT now stands at 32.6 million, up 2 odd million on Fellowship atthe same point last year. HP2 now is at 34.1 million for 2002's biggest move, TTT will of course beat that easily.

HOWEVER, in USD TTT will make more than FOTR. The AUD was very low last year, now it's 20% stronger.

TTT now sits at 347 Intl, No 3 for the year. 627 WW.

[Marcus Telcontar]

Est for TTT right now is 298 million, with what appears to be imilar legs to FOTR now startign to become apparent. Bit lower, but not by much.

[Sean Piett]

Who else thought the Southrons and Easterlings were awesome?

[JediBoricua]

Me!

And the Black Gate scene is beggining to become one of my favorite. The addittions of the trolls were great!

[Sean Piett]

Yesh, Black Gate was awesome, but the Olliphant fight is my favorite.

[Marcus Telcontar]

As far as I can find out, TTT Intl has now topped 400 million. I've seen WW totals suggested of 730 and 760 million. That'll mean TTT is within striking distance of Spiderman's WW total right now. Without Japan too, which at the least will be extra 80 million. Pretty much no doubt TTT will beat FOTR's WWW total. I'ld guess TTT will make at least 900 million WW, 950 very likely. 1 billion....?

You never know. It could.

And in Australia, TTT now stands at 35.9 million and officially 2002's biggest movie

[Hector Diens]

300...:D

[Marcus Telcontar]

And TTT passes AOTC's first fun total of 303 million, within a day of passign AOTC full stop.

[Marcus Telcontar]

TTT Intl is now standing at 423.1 million. USA it sits on 308.8 million for a grand total of 732.9 million. Stiil going at 16 million this weekend, with Japan to go and a few other markets and good legs in places liek UK and Germany.


HP: COS is at 568 Intl and 258 USA. Total is 826 (Did 7 million weekend). Spiderman ended at 836. I say it's pretty safe to presume TTT will catch Spiderman easily and probably take COS to claim WW No 1 for 2002.

[Marcus Telcontar]

TTT Intl is now standing at 453.2 million. USA it sits on 320.7 million for a grand total of 773.9 million. intl total still without japan. likely to make 850 million ww without japan at the least.

it is very possible ttt will get 1 bill. unlikely, but possible. needs 150 in japan most likely.

[Marcus Telcontar]

ttt is now at 466 millon, 322 USA = 788 million. at the same time, fotr was 412 million intl, 273 USA = 685 million . japan opens next weekend

[James Prent]

Holy....Japan hasn't opened yet??

[Jedieb]

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=2002&p=.htm
The rankings for 2003 from Mojo. With its 02 release date TTT pushes AOTC to 3rd. Still can't believe it at times. Well, at least HP2 is traling. MBFGW has to be the biggest money maker of them all. I can't imagine its budget was anywhere near any of the other $200M grossers. Wow.

Mojo's MBFGW budget figures:
Production Budget: $5 million
Marketing Costs: $19 million
Gross: $240M

[Lilaena De'Ville]

MYBFGW deserves the money. Finally someone makes a good clean fun movie, and it makes money! Imagine that.

[Marcus Telcontar]

No Fat Greek wedding here pls.

TTT has now broken 800 million WW, and is now just 40 million behind HP2 for the biggest movie of 2002. TTT stands at 808.0 million and with Japan opening and some very good legs in all markets really showing, it looking good :)

HP2 is now at 844 million.

[Marcus Telcontar]

Lets see... on estimate, TTT opened in Japan with 9.7 million three day. Intl is supposed to be est of 497, USA 328. That's I think 825 WW. Looks like TTT finally had bad holds across the board, so I guess it's run is nearly over except for Japan. I'm now guessing 950 million WW.

[Marcus Telcontar]

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/

TTT takes 2002 Intl B.O crown.

[Jedieb]

How much steam does it have left? Does it have a shot at $900M?

[Marcus Telcontar]

Oh yes. It'll pass 900 million easily

[sirdizzy]

if ROTK beats titanic i would be more than willing to wear a titanic avatar for a month just for the sheer pleasure of the boat being sunk


and i got me a new sig that iwill be wearing tell january tell someone can unseat me in the christmas contest


i am going to edit it though if i pull off the contest as ccnet as well (i am tied for 1st over there with yads) so it says Swfans.net and CC.net Box Office Champion 2003

i even saved the pdf so i could do it

[sirdizzy]

oh wait LOL i resurected this thread because of yaghurts link LOL