Today's WTF is.....

[Marcus Telcontar]

http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,5464092%255E13762,00.html

Really makes you wonder

[Zeke]

o.O...It certainly deserves "WTF"...That's insane.

[Wei Wu Wei]

Well well...That is surely the strangest thing I have ever heard of. I would not be surprised if men actually try to get into prison now.

[xsmokingmanx]

Yup WTF states it all

[Nupraptor]

While it's debatable as to whether or not pornography falls under the "freedom of expression" and "right to information" (after all, we restrict it from minors, who have the same rights), they're forgetting one important thing here: Prisoners have no rights.

[Ceres Duvall]

We pamper prisoners these days... It's no wonder a lot of people die everyday. :\ Some people TRY to get into prison because it's a roof over your head and food on the table. We really need to make prison more frightening yet still humane(to please some tightwads that dont realize these guys did wrong).

[Zasz Grimm]

They shouldn't get anything. They don't deserve it. Their prisoners. They are lower than pieces of <smallfont color={hovercolor}>-Censored-</smallfont> and they found their home.

Let them whine and cry all they want, they shouldn't get anything that goes to "Human Rights". They are below human standards.

[Dark Lord Dyzm]

My Belief, dump them all on an Island and hope someday they become civilized like Australia.

[Kelt Simoson]

Ouch...

[Jehova Eaven]

capitol punishment anyone? Then the prison can be used as cheap housing. Like a large tenament building.

[Ceres Duvall]

Originally posted by Zasz Grimm
They shouldn't get anything. They don't deserve it. Their prisoners. They are lower than pieces of <smallfont color=#000000>-Censored-</smallfont> and they found their home.

Let them whine and cry all they want, they shouldn't get anything that goes to "Human Rights". They are below human standards.

I agree. But as my dad would say "these god forsaken hippies won't let us round up these idiots for a big huge bon fire".

[Zasz Grimm]

If their crime is foul enough, such as Rape and Murder, they should just be put to death in the most extreme and painful way, then we should all move on.

This is of course, my opinion.

[Pilot Akito]

:???

I SUMMON THE CAN OF WTF!!!

[Wei Wu Wei]

But you know how expensive capitol punishment is. don;t these idiots know it's cheaper to just buy a bullet and shoot them?

[Zasz Grimm]

How is a Kitchen Knife, or a rusted old knife expensive? A blunt axe?

And even if it is expensive, it's worth it.

[Ceres Duvall]

Just put these people in the town square of the hometown they murdered or raped someone. I don't think there would be a single person that wouldn't want to throw a stone or two...

[Kwiet Ideya]

::sees link:: AAAAH! AAAAH! :cry ::scared of the WTFness::

[Zasz Grimm]

I have a strong belief that the victims family, or the victim themselves should have a hand in the execution if they want to, or do something before it.

Like when Timothy McVeigh was executed, I thought that they should let the families of all those killed take a rubber hose to him all day long.

If someone I knew was ever raped / murdered, and I found the person who did it, not alot would stop me from hurting the person.

[Ceres Duvall]

I'm sick to death of our country's money going into these prisoners. I think it'd cost a lot less to kill them than to keep them alive. I mean, we all know that those in for life are going to die in there anyways. So why pay to keep their worthless carcasses alive?

[Zasz Grimm]

I agree completely. Just kill them and be done with it. It's always been my view.

Why do they get to live when the person that died, doesn't?

Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

[Ceres Duvall]

Sometimes I wish things were back to ancient law... An eye for an eye... Or something. I mean, cmon, kings would hang men for killing someone! Now we have to let these idiots either get off easy or live in solitude within so called "prisons". I've seen a prison that was like a palace before. People purposefully got arrested to go there. Basketball court and televisions. I mean, my god, they have everything us law abiding citizens do.

[Jehova Eaven]

The only thing missing are the cars.

[Zasz Grimm]

I've heard about people who do that. It just shows that things should go back to the way they were in ancient times.

Those who steal, their arm should be taken off.

more doctorines that I forget, but there are alot of them.

[Ceres Duvall]

People get away with far too much these days too. Some are never caught and some just tippy toe around the court's better judgement.

[Zasz Grimm]

The sad thing is, happens every day, all the time.

Vigilante Justice!

Works quite well.

[Marcus Telcontar]

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/11/13/1037080776940.html

[Zatania Duvall]

Well, if there really is a h*ll, they'll get theirs... Cuz I'll be there. >D

Just kidding. I won't be there, but they will suffer for the suffering they caused in life.

If there isn't a h*ll... Then demmit!

[Zatania Duvall]

O_o Ummm.... yeah....

[Kwiet Ideya]

o.O...WTF?

[Arya Ravenwing]

Hey Mark, I'm going to merge this with your other link thread. :)

[Jehova Eaven]

bah, thats too slow. We want them to suffer now!

[Zatania Duvall]

lmao Blood thirsty arent we? Not a bad thing... if the people deserve it.

In a way, you have to wonder, are all these people on life or death row really guilty? If I found out some of them weren't and they were executed, I'd feel horrible.

[Ishan Shade]

Originally posted by Nupraptor
While it's debatable as to whether or not pornography falls under the "freedom of expression" and "right to information" (after all, we restrict it from minors, who have the same rights), they're forgetting one important thing here: Prisoners have no rights.


Exactly.

There is a reason you are there, and you have no rights after that. None.

[Darius Van-Derveld]

capital punishment? baad idea.

what if they actually turn out to have been innocent, plus its no-ones right to take a life.

personally. i reckon i have a better idea, which also solves the problem of creating efficient energy thats good for the environment.

stick all the prisoners in big hamster wheels, attach the wheels to a generator and make the bitches RUN!
>D

[Pilot Akito]

1300 items!!! Dude, thats insane!

[Sorreessa Tarrineezi]

o_O :lol

[ReaperFett]

They shouldn't get anything. They don't deserve it. Their prisoners. They are lower than pieces of -Censored- and they found their home.

Let them whine and cry all they want, they shouldn't get anything that goes to "Human Rights". They are below human standards.

What, even the ones that are later found innocent? You want them to go through hell because of misinformation?


If their crime is foul enough, such as Rape and Murder, they should just be put to death in the most extreme and painful way, then we should all move on.
So they murder, then you murder. How are you any different?


To me, life in prison then death is worse than death.

[ReaperFett]

Those who steal, their arm should be taken off.
Even those who have become addicted to something, and can be helped? Even the 12 year olds? No offense, but youre sounding a tad barbaric.


stick all the prisoners in big hamster wheels, attach the wheels to a generator and make the bitches RUN!
LOL!

Give them one of those water things too, for comedy effect :)




And as an aside, I dont agree with it. I dont think they shouldnt get ANYTHING, but theres a difference betweena few possessions, board games and a room with a TV and allowing them hardcore pornography.

[Jedieb]

It's easy to say "shoot 'em all!" and not worry about the consequences. Unfortunately, not everything is so cut and dry. Should prison be like day camp? Of couse not, but it can't be a gulag either. I deal with the reprucussions of convicts everyday. Just about each year I've taught I've had at least one student that's got a parent with a criminal record. Some of them are still losers, but a few of these people have been able to turn their lives around.

Still, prison should SUCK. Forget the cable TV and other niceties. Give a library and a chance to get some kind of an education and be done with it.

[Ceres Duvall]

stick all the prisoners in big hamster wheels, attach the wheels to a generator and make the bitches RUN!

Now thats not a bad idea.... Make them work for their porno and warm beds!

Don't you find it unfair, though, that we have to work hard all our lives to have a roof over our heads and food to feed ourselves/family? And yet these idiots get it for free while we pay for them to live! :mad

[Nupraptor]

So they murder, then you murder. How are you any different?I believe most people call that justice. Or retribution. Whichever you like.
To me, life in prison then death is worse than death.Not really. Prisoner life is pretty cushy in the US. Cable TV, workout rooms, 3 meals a day... Aside from that, it's also insanely expensive for taxpayers. The most economical solution is to give them the chair (cost only $.05 :)). Unfortunately, the time they spend on death row also costs a fortune. :x

[Zatania Duvall]

See, thats what I was getting at! Nup, you're a saint for thinking what I was. :p

They live way too fancy for prisoners... The only thing that they actually have that is bad is that they become someone's girlfriend.

[ReaperFett]

I didnt say the Cable life is better, did I ;)


But I do think they should have basics. limited normal TV time (You DO have non-cable, right? Just four or five channels? That). Libraries, workshops, exercise equipment (Those last three can make the person come out witha chance to change) andf so forth. Just nothing fancy.

[Zatania Duvall]

Limited cable? *starts laughing* We're allowed more than just five. At least I think so, it's been a while since I lived in primitive times... ;) *hugs her digital cable box* I think it's either up to 13 channels or 30. Not too sure.

[ReaperFett]

I said NON cable. Dont laugh if you cant read :)

You know, if you just plugged a TV in and turned it on, how many channels? :)

[Zatania Duvall]

limited normal TV time (You DO have non-cable, right? Just four or five channels? That)

And I wouldn't know. It's been a long time since we had to resort to that. Don't you need those bunny ear thingies for that?

[Ryu Warusa]

Well anyway, death row... what a dumb idea. If you're going to kill them kill them now and get it over with... don't have some dumb waiting list. Hell its not like it even takes a long time.

[Zatania Duvall]

They should kill 'em on the spot. Arrest 'em, try 'em in court, convict 'em, shoot 'em.

[Sanis Prent]

I can't say I like China's way of handling most things, but they do the whole capital punishment thing really nicely. A single 7.62 mm rifle round to the head, and they send a bill to the criminal's family for the 30 cent bullet.

The appeal system needs to be tweaked though.

I'm not an advocate of life in prison. I think its a silly little pipe dream that Amnesty International headcases tell themselves to they can feel righteous. Life in prison is expensive. Less expensive than Death Row appeal processes, but I've already said that system needs tweaking. Also...why prolong it? You're taking up space, you're taking the prisoner's life. Its a lose-lose situation. Hell, even with the possibility of parole, you're just institutionalizing them, and they'll never be productive on the outside. Then, its whatever they can do to get back in.

Yes capital punishment is cruel. Its punishment. Its not supposed to be pretty. But while capital punishment is viscerally cruel, life imprisonment is insidiously cruel. They're both going to destroy the criminal, so I don't see why the system isn't just made a bit more efficient.

Me personally, I'd like to repeal that cruel and unusual punishment ban on the Bill of Rights, so that I can drop murderers into giant ant hills or something, but I'll settle for more boring means of death.

[ReaperFett]

And I wouldn't know. It's been a long time since we had to resort to that. Don't you need those bunny ear thingies for that?
An aerial? Normally, yeah.

Point is, it would be nothing special.


Well anyway, death row... what a dumb idea. If you're going to kill them kill them now and get it over with... don't have some dumb waiting list. Hell its not like it even takes a long time.

Yeah, why give someone their right to an appeal! I mean, death isnt permenant, is it? :rolleyes

[ReaperFett]

I can't say I like China's way of handling most things, but they do the whole capital punishment thing really nicely. A single 7.62 mm rifle round to the head, and they send a bill to the criminal's family for the 30 cent bullet.
Yeah, killing of anyone who disagrees or does any crime is a great way, eh?

[Sanis Prent]

I can't say I like China's way of handling most things

<a hover>BLAST YOU, HUMAN WORM BABY! Have you no sense of reading comprehension?</a>

[ReaperFett]

but they do the whole capital punishment thing really nicely
I DONT KNOW, DO YOU?

[Sanis Prent]

I am refering to the methodology used, not their screwy legal system. Notice I never mentioned anything else, except the actual mechanics of the execution.

[Zatania Duvall]

I still say we all have a crack at these bastards... :D *grabs a baseball bat and does a practice swing*

[ReaperFett]

I am refering to the methodology used, not their screwy legal system. Notice I never mentioned anything else, except the actual mechanics of the execution.
That might have been you being brief because you needed the toilet :)

[Sanis Prent]

Well, I've had experience in the process. Frankly, losing somebody to murder is not the same as losing somebody to disease, or an accident, or something as such. It tears you apart on the inside. My friend's murderer tried to bargain for a lesser sentence, and I lost it. Fortunately I have some good friends who know how to talk people down...else I would've driven to Birmingham and done something stupid. As it stands, he's now locked up for life. Its not enough punishment for him, and neither is the death penalty. If there was a way to transfer the pain I feel to him, and make him live that over through eternity, that alone is fitting. But execution is a start. From that point on, the real punishment begins for him.

[Zasz Grimm]

Originally posted by ReaperFett

But I do think they should have basics. limited normal TV time (You DO have non-cable, right? Just four or five channels? That).


They are in prison, they don't deserve the basics.


Libraries, workshops, exercise equipment (Those last three can make the person come out witha chance to change) andf so forth. Just nothing fancy.

So that they may come out a stronger, smarter criminal?

[Zatania Duvall]

If criminals want to act like savages, they should be treated as though they are. They should only get to stare at a wall or do community service, their choice..

[ReaperFett]

So that they may come out a stronger, smarter criminal?
You know some do crimes out of neccesity, right? No hopes in life, so they turn to crime. Thats why there is more crime in areas with higher povety. So they come out with the chance to change. But apparently, noone can change in your eeys.

[Sorreessa Tarrineezi]

personally I believe in eye for an eye......criminals should not get pampered as they do.......

[ReaperFett]

an eye for an eye doesnt work. So, what if its stealing? What is the eye? A fine? Because it isnt eye for an eye if you use prison.

[Videl]

I meant for serious crimes, Smurffett...other rules would apply for lesser crimes.....

[ReaperFett]

But define serious. Murder? Terrorism? Rape? Assault?

[Videl]

all those apply in my opinion......especially one of them....*growls*

[Marcus Telcontar]

Simply put, the death penalty would be okay.... if the legal system was 100% correct. However, it is not. It has been noted lately that quite a few US prisioners up for the chair or gas were proven innocent via DNA, so many that some states have suspended death penalty altogether.

I will never approve of death penalty while the system is fallible. Of course, some crimes like Olkahoma and 11/9 do clearly deserve the ultimate price for their committal.

HOWEVER, jail can be worse than death. For example, child molestors have to be kept in solitary. You know what happens if a molestor is allowed into the general prision popluation? It's ugly. There was a gang rapist who got 55 years in Austrlaia just a month ago. 55 years is a long time to rot in a small cell in Long Bay, NSW.

I'd rather see scum like him kept alive and made to rememer why his crime was wrong for the rest of his misreble life.

Anyway, got a aquaintnce who spend 7 years in jail for manslaughter. He tells me that jail is NOT the cushy plac the media often makes out. It's brutal, it's stark, you really dont have rights, the guards treat you like animals, you can lose privedges for no reason, rape and beating abound. Hetold me it's no place he wanted to stay in. Not even the minimum security day release prision he finished his time in, which had the Internet and other niceties was ugly.

And now he's back out in the community, he's running welding business, which was done in jail. He's made himself worthwhile.

[Nupraptor]

Over here, it really is fairly cushy. I've heard of homeless people who commit minor crimes, like stealing something, so they can get thrown in jail.

[Sejah Haversh]

I keep seeing this eye for an eye thing, and I think you all have not been fully informed on how Hammurabi's code worked.

It was NOT equal, and was also not administered by legal officials.

If someone was found guilty, then it was a prosecuting family's duty to carry out teh punishment with no help from the legal system, in tracking said person down or administering the punishment. So, if you're an old lady and your husband is murdered, you might have the right to kill your husband's killer, but you have to do it YOURSELF.

Second, equality. If a slave were to kill another slave or anyone above his status, then his prosecutor would probably be given the opportunity to kill him, or go lighter if they so desire. But if it were a noble who killed a slave, the death penalty would often not be allowed to be inflicted on him because he was above the deceased in status. Often he would recieve a flogging at the worst, or, in most cases, just have to pay the price of buying a new slave to replace the one he killed.

Rape did not fall under this law. It was not right to rape someone of the offender's family for revenge, but physical punishment, sometimes even death was allowed if the offender was found guilty by a MILITARY panel of judges. Not jusdged by your peers, but by the military.

So, before you start citing Hammurabi's Code, take a moment to think about what it really meant.

I agree that criminals often are treated too lightly in prison, but I also thingk that the death penalty ought to be thoroughly examined. Many people have been cleared of their crimes and their life spared because they truly were innocent. This is not to say that I don't support the death penalty, but that it should not be hastily carried out.

Prison can be a nasty place. There are gangs, violence, and of course big Bubba, the guy who wants you to be your boyfriend. Cable TV, porn, and many other things should not be allowed. If we would condider it a luxury, odds are they shouldn;t get it. But that shouldn't extend to the example of the painter in the movie "Escape From Alcatraz". To deny people of all they ever held dear is horribly cruel, and that should never be done, no matter what they did. Perhaps they comitted a terrible evil, but we should show that we are better than they are by showing at least a shred of compassion.

[ReaperFett]

Over here, it really is fairly cushy. I've heard of homeless people who commit minor crimes, like stealing something, so they can get thrown in jail.
Jails are pretty much the same everywhere in the civilised world.


And Marcus, the DP thing is basically what Im saying, thanks for the good wording :)

[Videl]

well aware what eye for an eye means....for serious crimes, such things should be done.....if one of my friends or family was killed, I'd want to get the jerk back in kind.....

[Destiny Stormrider]

yeah...it's sad for the homeless but i heard some ppl go to jail cause it's better in there than out on the streets....

[Sanis Prent]

What is the difference between somebody who's wrongly convicted and executed, and somebody who's wrongly convicted and spends 40 years in prison before they figure out the screwup?

You take a lifer and pull him out of prison, and tell him that all is well and he can go about his business. Are you kidding me? You've taken away his entire existence...again! Bad as it is, you can become dependant and addicted to prison. There are connections made, and you learn how to surive. Years of that experience for nothing, once you're back on the outside.

I don't see the difference in that.

[ReaperFett]

What is the difference between somebody who's wrongly convicted and executed, and somebody who's wrongly convicted and spends 40 years in prison before they figure out the screwup?
Depends on his age. Was he 20, a good 20 years or so difference.

But hey, you want to kill them to be sure that screwups dont matter, fine.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

You don't see the difference? *:headbash Sanis* Killing someone, and ruining their life are DIFFERENT. In one, you're dead, in one, you're not, and you have an opportunity to re-make your life.

Wrongfully accused people are WRONGED. It is MORE wrong to excecute him. Ever see "The Green Mile"? :cry

As for TV being a basic human right, I don't even have basic cable or even regular channels. SO the government should pay for MY TV! I'm a law abiding citizen! They're CRIMINALS! Where is the justice!?

[Nupraptor]

Did you want hardcore pornography, too? :)

[Marcus Telcontar]

If someone is found wrongly convicted, then society has the resposibilty of seeing proper reparations for what happened. In a lot of cases, I rememebr this has been the case, with some very big compo payouts. I remeber that in West Aust, there was a man who was convicted, served 17 years before he was proven innocent. He has the right to a big number payout and also getting him back into the community and the governemt basically supporting him for the rest of his life.

That's fair. If the USA dont have soemthign similar, then you better re-think fast. But, I think you do, correct me if I amwrong. You dotn just let wrongly convicted epopel out without anything, they have rights, correct?

[Ceres Duvall]

I think people actually have to sue sometimes... I might be wrong cuz my memory sucks. I've watched a few talk shows where they talked about wronfully accused people getting out. Most of the stories I heard on those shows had the people suing or not doing anything about it at all(something about honor).

*just realized this thread has stayed on topic for a while now* Wow.

[Zasz Grimm]

People can change in my eyes. And now times are changing, they are developing the technology so that they are sure that the person who committed the crime, did.

[ReaperFett]

And now times are changing, they are developing the technology so that they are sure that the person who committed the crime, did.
Any examples of this wonderous technology?

[Sejah Haversh]

DNA matching, bullet to gun matching, new leaps in forensic science, and many other things. Can't think of one in particular, Reap, but I've been seeing amny cases lately where DNA matchign has tracked down crimials who then confessed to the crime.

[Ceres Duvall]

It's getting harder and harder to get away with things these days... except for the fact that the courts gripe about wanting more evidence. :mad:

[Sanis Prent]

The perfect murder weapon is a big icicle....that way, it can later melt, and thus there is no murder weapon >D

[Sejah Haversh]

Ahh, but if you touched it with your bare hands, then oils and sweat would be mixed with the water, and your DNA could eb found that way. That, and the footprint from your glacial waffle-strompers would be an easy way to find you, too.

[Marcus Telcontar]

There's a way to get away with anything.

It's called Money.

Sucks, but true

[Chaos Alexander]

I am a big fan of Capital Punishment. I think it should be fast on many cases. A bullet and it is done...

some cases.....well.....I am reminded of a Midevil (s/p I know) way of killin' a person called 'The Force Winds.' You get Four horses (Ox, Mules MAchines whatever) with ropes tied to them. Then ties each of teh ropes to a limp. Then make the critters run.

For Rape.....Ties the man up and let a group of prison inmates rape his tale for as long as they feel. Then get a second group to take over...then a third.....then a fourt...and so on.

[ReaperFett]

Can't think of one in particular, Reap, but I've been seeing amny cases lately where DNA matchign has tracked down crimials who then confessed to the crime.
But theres still people being found innocent, so it isnt foolproof.


It's getting harder and harder to get away with things these days... except for the fact that the courts gripe about wanting more evidence.
They want to be sure of the INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY ruling. Shame the apapers always make the first person charged look 100% guilty, thus influencing the jury.



I am a big fan of Capital Punishment. I think it should be fast on many cases. A bullet and it is done...

some cases.....well.....I am reminded of a Midevil (s/p I know) way of killin' a person called 'The Force Winds.' You get Four horses (Ox, Mules MAchines whatever) with ropes tied to them. Then ties each of teh ropes to a limp. Then make the critters run.

For Rape.....Ties the man up and let a group of prison inmates rape his tale for as long as they feel. Then get a second group to take over...then a third.....then a fourt...and so on.
I thought the US was generally strongly against anyone who did things like that :|

[Chaos Alexander]

They say they are stronger, but many times they get like 200 years in prison or something. That means *I* have to pay for them to watch cable and work out. They just get a longer sentece. That's worse in my opinion.