Problem Posters ("Don't Feed the Troll" Ideas here)

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Gue - repeatedly dances on and across the lines the Staff lays in front of him.

Morgan Evanar - is incredibly blunt, and shoots his mouth off, causing flame fests to start. He's done it on more than one occasion, and its starting to happen more regularly, which is worrying.

Lebron - spoke to Gue about what was being talked about in the closed forum for Group Mods and Staff, which lead to the debacle with him and I on AIM. If one can't be mature about keeping secrets then one should not ever be TOLD secrets.

Me - I inadvertantly started a thread which quickly escalated into a flame fest, which was then put out by Taylor, Mark and Fett, thank God. I'm afraid to try to RP now. Was I in the wrong? Am I egotistical? I'm trying to apply the rules of common sense and fair play, and I agreed to just roll with what Wei had posted, even though it is way beyond the realm of common sense.

Hmmm. Thoughts? I will note that Gue is the biggest problem, the others are small annoyances at the moment...which I could see as getting worse.

[Navaria Tarkin]

Gue ... eh, we are discussing that as an entire board staff.

Lebron, cleary in the wrong.

Morgan - won't change :p

which thread was this LD @_@

[TheHolo.Net]

Gue – agreed 10000000%

Morgan seems to go through phases of emotional distress, which we are all guilty of. His are just more noticeable since he lets them find verbal form on the boards often.

I’m beginning to think that revoking Lebron’s access from the group mods forum may be in order. His level of maturity doesn’t appear high enough for the responsibility of having that access.

You did nothing wrong in that thread LD (the Re Arcan thread in OOC Nav) it was another case of Wei and a couple of others overreacting and jumping on the bash the veterans and/or staff parade.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I don't care if Morg won't change or not, I feel that his attitudes are escalating at a dangerous rate. If the staff continues to do nothing, then we are showing favoritism. I believe that we may have to warn him about shooting off his mouth.

And it was the Re: Sunset thread in the OOC forum. I know I'm a mod, but I was IN the thread, and so can't really do anything about it. :(

Lebron's behavior last night really set me off, but I've had him blocked on AIM for so long I didn't feel like unblocking him and telling him off.

Also, Charley did communicate with Gue last night about the accidental banning, Gue then apologized for some of what he said to me. Most of that I have already deleted out of the post I made of our convo. Anyway...I'm off..be home soon I hope.

[Nupraptor]

You know, with the way Wei Wu Wei takes criticism, I feel sorry for him the day he has to start working a job that deals with the general public. If he thinks we're rude, just wait until he gets out in the real world.

To be honest, I think I was a bit of a problematic poster for a while, too. I've always had the mentality of "If they throw a rock, drop a boulder on their head". But I'm confident that I've got that almost completely under control now. It just takes a bit of work.

I'll see if I can find a gentle way to bring the subject up with Morgan.

[Master Yoghurt]

On the matter of the Sunset thread, I dont see you were doing anything wrong here. It is just how some posters tend to get emotional when concerns are adressed towards them. In my personal experience, it helps to be as conciderate as possible when evaluating other posters actions in order to avoid misinterpretations. That kind of approach tends to stop future headaches from happening. :)

Taylor and I were talking earlier, and we agreed, the major reason threads develop into flame wars, appears to be how some posters cant distinguish between content issues and emotional issues. Critisism tend to be taken way too personal. This frequently seems to happen in two kinds of scenarios:

1. When there is a general issue discussed, some posters think it is aimed directly at them - at one person

2. When the issue is directed at one individual, he/she tends to get emotional rather than just adressing/resolving the concern in a rational manner and move on

[ReaperFett]

Im not doing them all :)


First, all you did LD was protect your character. Nothing egotistical about that. You've put 2 years into her.

Wei isnt that bad. He does shut up, and can be intellegent. His problem is those that post with him.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Agreed. Wei isn't too bad. He also did edit his post, which was a nice touch.

And thanks Nup. ^_^;

[Taylor Millard]

So does this mean I can make that 'Content vs Emotional' a sticky at OOC? Maybe? :lol

And Lebron's access needs to be revoked to Group Mods as well as his vote in the Ban Gue thread needs to be taken out. He has no right to vote in a thread where he will just go off and tell Gue to provoke him.

This only gives the image we try to avoid that we're out to 'get' GUe.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Lebron is obviously out to get Gue. *stabs him..no stabs them both*

^_^; I feel better now. And I agree, his access should be revoked frmo the Group Mods forum, and an explainatory PM sent to him.

[ReaperFett]

We cant remove his vote. Are you telling me that only ONE mod has any sort of bias?

Say if there was a vote on banning me. Would you remove any Mods I talk to a lot (fair few) and the ones who dont like me (not many)? Not very democratic, IMO.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Fett, the point is that he took private information out of a locked forum and passed it on to Gue. He did this because he hates him, but his reasoning isn't what I'm questioning, its the very fact that he thought it was within his rights to tell a person we are/were considering banning ABOUT the Staff's discussion before any conclusion had even been made.

He was out of line, but I don't know what to do about it.

[ReaperFett]

Im not talking about forum removel, just the vote removing

[Taylor Millard]

Well that was my idea and I wasn't thinking very clearly. It's just if he's baned from the Group Mods Forum why should his vote count?

[ReaperFett]

Because he wasnt banned then.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Fine let his vote count. Can I go ahead and block his access to the Mod Forum and tell him why in a PM when I get home tonight? OR...will someone else give me some input on this?

Or has it already been taken care of and I just don't know?

[TheHolo.Net]

It has not been done, but I still have a lot on my plate with the move stuff andthe domain transfer and the like. -_-

If you wish to do it you may, or maybe Nup can, up to you folks. I never mentioned discounting his vite BTW.

[Taylor Millard]

No I was the one who did. I'll take responsibility for that one.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I don't have a problem in doing it. I'll wait for an hour for any objections, and if there are none, then Im' sending the PM and blocking his access. He only has access under one name, correct?

[TheHolo.Net]

Correct.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Oops was so tired I forgot about this in the hour I was waiting. Doing it now. ^_^;

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Pm titled: The Group Mod Forum
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Lebron, the SWfans Staff is revoking your access to this forum, because of your actions on the night Gue was accidentally prematurely banned.

You took information from a locked forum, and informed the person that was being discussed about the discussion. This behavior is inexcusable, and so your access to said forum is restricted. This restriction goes in affect as soon as I finish writing this PM and will go indefinetely, pending further discussion of the situation by the staff.

Topics in the Group Mod forum are not common knowledge. If you cannot treat such priveledge with respect, then it is taken away from you.

We will keep you informed about your access, and the time period for which you are locked out for as soon as it is decided concretely. Please feel free to direct queries to any member of the staff, but just responding to this PM is probably the easiest.

SWfans Staff
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his access has been revoked as well, thanks Ogre. :)

[TheHolo.Net]

Thanks for handling the tough part, editing an access mask is the simple part for me, writing the PM....-_- Looks good to me. :)

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I think I should become a Middle East Peace Negotiator. NOT ^_^;

[ReaperFett]

Nah, just be a mod :)

[Lilaena De'Ville]

^_^;

[Taylor Millard]

You know...I've noticed that Wei likes to post individual threads about his mental progress. I don't want to seem rude about it, but should we remind him it might be good just to have one thread and put updates there?

*shrugs* I dunno...

[ReaperFett]

Nah, IMO it isnt a problem while he posts as often as he does.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Question: how long is Lebron suspended?

A week? Two weeks? three days?

[JMK]

Does that mean he's got no access whatsoever here, or just in a particular forum?

[Navaria Tarkin]

just the mods/admins forum.

I say a month. He leaked info on a serious topic

[TheHolo.Net]

No, Lebron never had access to this the "Mods/Admins" forum. :p It was the RP Group Mods forum. A month works for me, though so does indefinate.

[Navaria Tarkin]

:( I was tired when I wrote that... :cry

[Nupraptor]

I thought it was a permanent revokal. Buuuut... it seems that he knows he did something wrong, so this may teach him a lesson.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

A month works for me as well.

[Master Yoghurt]

Yeah, a month would teach him the lesson :)

[Nupraptor]

Wei Wu Wei / Zeke: This pair is really getting on my nerves. I am about this |-| from giving one or both of them a temporary ban from the OOC forum. I am really sick of them crapping all over other people's threads with short little inane posts like "I'm unimpressed", "I'm underwhelmed" or "This thread is annoying".

I think I've been enormously patient lately and kept my temper under reign, but they're really trying my patience. The next time I see them doing it, I'm going to issue them a warning: If you don't like a thread, just click the little back button. All browsers have it.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Sounds ok to me.

[Sanis Prent]

I don't think things they do at Meras should really be considered here, but thats just my opinion.

[Nupraptor]

Their actions at Meras are not a part of this. The both of them have been exhibiting this behaviour at SWFans for almost as long as they've been posting here. Wei's post at Meras only served to further get on my nerves and make me fed up. That's why I stated that, the next time I see them doing it here, I'm going to issue them a warning.

[Sanis Prent]

actually that was Zeke

[Nupraptor]

It's hard to tell, since they both have the same e-mail address and their IP's often cross over. But, as I said: they both have been exhibiting this behaviour.

[ReaperFett]

Wei is alright. Zeke bugs me. And he's got that annoying habit of not liking someone, so repeatedly saying so in an AIM chat.

[Taylor Millard]

Me personally, I'm getting tired of Wei's little 'update threads'. To me...and this is just me, he seems like someone who is calling for attention and pity

And it's getting on my nerves.

[ReaperFett]

Ah its not that bad

[Sanis Prent]

I agree Tay...its a pity party

[Taylor Millard]

I mean...do you want me to go off on my list of 'problems'? I could if you want me to in the OOC forum. ;)

If Wei is going to take a break and he says, look here's why. Then that's cool, I don't mind at all. But him saying, "Oh I have depression" that just says to me, "Feel sorry for me."

With all due respect to the kid, he needs t'cool it.

[TheHolo.Net]

I see many of his posts as throwing a pity party too, but in my annoyance, I only choose to ignore them and move on.

[Nupraptor]

Yeah... there's no rule about begging for pity. It's a slight annoyance, but easily ignored.

But to get back on subject: I had been discussing the possibility of removing his/their OOC access a week prior to my post here. That bit over at Meras just really set me off.

[Taylor Millard]

If I might ask, what bit was it? I still (and probably it's good that I can't) cannot find it.

[TheHolo.Net]

Originally posted by Nupraptor
Yeah... there's no rule about begging for pity. It's a slight annoyance, but easily ignored.

But to get back on subject: I had been discussing the possibility of removing his/their OOC access a week prior to my post here. That bit over at Meras just really set me off. There are the specific OOC rules posted in the RP FAQ which state that posts that have nothing to do with the thread whatsoever can lead a poster to being banned from OOC. I think we decided on a weeklong duration for such probationary instances.

[Nupraptor]

http://www.meras.org/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5662

I know it doesn't seem like much on its own. But Zeke apparently has this habit of finding threads he doesn't like and continuously making posts like "I'm unimpressed" or "I couldn't care less". He not only did the same thing in my upside down thread, he continued to post when people didn't acknowledge his first one. As if saying, "HEY! I said I'm unimpressed!"

He's been doing it in quite a few threads in OOC and the GJO. This kind of behaviour is commonly called "Threadcrapping" (well, replace "crap" with a more vile word). And it's very inappropriate.

[TheHolo.Net]

I have noticed it too. It fits into "trolling" among our rules as far as I am concerned.

[Taylor Millard]

Well if we warn them he's gonna bitch...and call us fiends and all that crap.

If we don't he gonna continue...

Or shall I just press 'ignore' on my browser?

[TheHolo.Net]

I'm thinking of putting together a new "Don't Feed the Troll" image from a FotR screen cap of the cave troll when he's downed and posting it when he does that as one of my anon sock puppet accounts. :lol

[Taylor Millard]

:lol :lol :lol

[Nupraptor]

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[Lilaena De'Ville]

:lol:lol

[TheHolo.Net]

I made 3 for varying moods.

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[ReaperFett]

LOL! :)

[Nupraptor]

Why do I get the impression Jonathan is going to be seeing these often? ;)

[ReaperFett]

Me personally, I'm getting tired of Wei's little 'update threads'. To me...and this is just me, he seems like someone who is calling for attention and pity

And it's getting on my nerves.
Does it get on your nerves then when I feel down and tell you about it?

[Nupraptor]

Do you make public posts about it every time you're feeling down?

[ReaperFett]

No, but I quite often tell him.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Public posts are different than private AIM conversations. If you weren't friends with Taylor it would probably bug him. But you are. So. There.