AOTC v's FOTR

[Marcus Telcontar]

Dangerous question......

Which is better, AOTC or LOTR:FOTR?

This should be be a stupid question to ask on what is a Star Wars fan site.... but who knows. I'm curious.

Add your vote, then to stop poll stuffing, post what you voted.

[Chance]

I found LOTR a better plotwise movie than AOTC.

so, I voted LOTR...

AOTC was toooo mushy... not enough fighty... too mushy!

[Marcus Telcontar]

Yes, it's blindly obvious what I voted.

But I have a few good reasons. AOTC was to me a cold, emotionless film. Far too much CG fancyiness and not enough real passion. That's really what AOTC lacked badly, feeling and passion. It's well directed, has a good story and good production quality, but the music is a rehash of previous movies and so much is reprocessed theme wise. Portman is a plank of wood and I cringe at her line delivery.

Christensen is very, very good, so is Chistopher Lee. But it's like watching a 2.2 hour long video game. There's just no heart, no warmth, even the last battle just doesnt get the heart racing for repeated viewings.

LOTR still is the only movie I have come out of the theatres trembling and almost unable to walk, becuase I was so completely and utterly blown away.

[Arya Ravenwing]

doobie..doobie dooo




Beware of the penguins.

[ReaperFett]

EP2 by a mile. Too many problems with LOTR compared to it.

[Verse Dawnstrider]

FOTR by far.....


I felt EP2 was a soap oprea. Itw as "I love you." "I love you to...but I can." "Lets us run away!" I wanted blood, fights, gore and stuff like that.

[Helenias Evenstar]

LOTR:FOTR.

To me, AOTC was a sellout. I cant believe my one time love of Star Wars has been so badly crushed. I still like the originals a lot.... but I cant bear to watch AOTC again.

[ReaperFett]

I wanted blood, fights, gore and stuff like that.
Which isnt SW. Thats like me wanting Car chases in LOTR ;)

[Inu]

AOTC...FOTR was waaaaay too long...I lost interest partway through. Plus the Legolas fangirls were a real minus.

[Dae Jinn]

LOTR. It was a great movie.

I liked all the original star wars but I have yet to see any of the newer films. TPM looked kiddified with Jar Jar, and although I want to see AOTC I doubt I ever will.:lol

[Leeloo Mina]

I voted ATOC

LOTR was a very good film, but it's so long and a little slow that I can't watch it too many times.. First time I seen it, I LOVED it but I've seen it about 5 or 6 times now and I lose intrest after about half way through the movie.

[Ryla Relvinian]

I voted LOTR all the way. In my mind, lucas has gone off the deep end. LOTR was brilliant, beautiful, and when it had to end I felt the need to go up and wound the projectionist... MORE!! MORE!!!

...but seriously, folks. I agree with Ara.. I mean Marcus on this one. AOTC is beautiful, and has amazing fight scenes, but there is no emotion, no passion, no fireworks. Natalie... well, she's beautiful but she can't act. Ditto for Hayden. They are allright actors but really suffered under the terrible script that they were given. LOTR was adapted in such a way that allthough the wording wasn't always exactly the same it still kept with the same spirit that JRRT wrote it with.

So, anyone up for starting a LOTR RPG?

[TheHolo.Net]

I liked FoTR better myself, it was epic. Its right up there with the original release of Star Wars (A New Hope).


I also edited the "Poll" out of this thread's title because its added automatically by the vB software and didn't need to be there twice. :)

[Dae Jinn]

:)

Yay? :lol
And a LOTR rp would be cool....

[Figrin D'an]

I liked both films, but for different reasons.

AOTC was a solid entry to the Star Wars saga, IMO. It was far from perfect, but it had many positive traits... good action sequences, solid performances from Ewan McGregor and Christopher Lee, a good story, and, of course, wonderful visuals. The love story arc was not as engaging as I would have hoped... per usual, better direction could have worked wonders for the Padme/Anakin interactions. Overall, though, I enjoyed it because it successfully advanced the overall mythos of the saga, and set up major plot points for the next chapter quite nicely.

FOTR has a very epic quality. It brings Middle Earth to life extraordinarily well. Superb acting performances, particularly by Ian McKellan, Elijah Wood, Sean Astin and Sean Bean. The core story and themes of Tolkien's text are displayed quite well, while avoiding the dangers of attempting to make a "film of the book." Some will complain about Tom Bombadil being cut out, or Arwen replacing Glorfindel during the Flight to the Ford... but, ultimately, the film is an adaption of the book, not a complete visual representation of the book. Peter Jackson made the right choice by not being afraid to change minor things to make a better film. Great direction, unbelievable visuals, and dialogue that, while not always drawn from the text, certainly does the story justice. My only major complaints: Merry's personality change from book to film, and Galadriel was portrayed too aloof and dangerous (the gift-giving scene would help to reduce this effect, though).


I would say "Fellowship" is the better film, and for the moment, I have a greater anticipation for TTT and ROTK than for Episode III. It's a different type of anticipation though, considering that I know the complete story of The Lord of the Rings, whereas the complete Star Wars saga is still very much unknown.

[Marcus Telcontar]

So, anyone up for starting a LOTR RPG?

Be an interesting change of pace.

[Lord Gue]

LOTR had a solid storyline as a stand alone movie, AOTC ud need to watch the series to realize it wasnt crap

LOTR gets my vote

[Sejah Haversh]

FotR gets it in my book. I like quality in production above most all else, btu, it still ahd the story beat, too.

I've never read the books, though I would like to eventually. But, I feel very welcomed into the adventure in FotR, whereas I felt like just a spectator in AotC.

[ReaperFett]

Ill post some problems I had with LOTR later :)

[Oriadin]

AOTC for me, any day.

I thought LOTR was good but well over hyped. Im usually pretty good at ignoring the hype for films and simply taking them for what they are. Went to see LOTR the first time and was very impressed. Very good overall film. There were no disapointments it was simply good all over. Very solid.

The second time I went to see it I found myself watching the time. I just couldnt watch it and really enjoy it more than once. May be different now I havent seen it in ages.

AOTC was different. Think I saw it five times at the cinema and I enjoyed it every time. I have to say that at some points the film does seem to move very slow. I too am not a fan of Portmans. Sometimes shes ok and others I cant stand to here her comments. The one that gets me the most is when she says she loves the water. The way she says that simply rubs me up the wrong way. The battle scenes are fantastic. Hayden was impressive and just looked super cool. Ewan is really the star of the show and Yoda is simply awsome.

I dont own LOTR although I'll probably buy it one day. As for AOTC I'll get it the day of release.

[Sene Unty]

I voted for LOTR.....it was in all respects a better movie.

[Oriadin]

No way. Battle scenes were much better in AOTC.

[Vega Van-Derveld]

FOTR, baby. FOTR. :smokin

[Severen Morkonis]

FOTR

[Figrin D'an]

The one major production point where AOTC did better than FOTR, IMO, was the battle sequences. That's not to say that the battles in FOTR were bad... they were choreographed quite well, and had some very strong moments. (Legolas quick-fire on Amon Hen, Aragorn beheading the Uruk-Hai, Boromir defending Merry and Pippin, Gandalf and the Balrog).

Granted, the scale of the battles in the two films are quite different. FOTR has smaller, more enclosed fight scenes, where as AOTC has some smaller focused battles, but of course has the large scale battle on Geonosis (the arena and the planetary invasion). The main thing that seperates the two films is the camera work.

okay... rant time... I really dislike the quick-take, camera shake style for battle and fight sequences. It cuts around to much of the action, and is very hard on the eyes of the viewer. I understand why directors use it, but it still doesn't make it very acceptable in my mind. If the shots are going to be quick, keep the camera still, or pulled back from the action a little. Rapid camera movement can be used successfully in certain instances (to indicate ground shaking, or to pan across an area to see different part of a multi-faceted battle). But, it's used far too often in modern films, IMO. It takes away from otherwise very good action scenes in many cases.

PJ did a great job with FOTR, and the action sequences were designed well, doing great justice to the text. I just didn't like the camera style for most of them. Lucas, while not a very personable director, and not the best at coaching good performances out of actors, has always been a great battle director. People can criticize many things about TPM and AOTC, and maybe rightfully so. But, the battle and fight scenes are top notch.

[Seerrasseei Tsseerra]

FOTR....I got bored several times during AOTC but FOTR I never did......

[Loki Ahmrah]

For brute film quality on every level FOTR get's my vote. AOTC pales in comparison, it really does.

[ReaperFett]

I felt Legolas ruined all the fight scenes. Everyone else does nothing overly special save a moment or two, while he keeps doing all the skipping on chains and all that. Id rather see Aragon hacking through them in a way that still manages to look stylish over that.

And the bit he does in the TTT trailer? I nearly died laughing.

[Leeloo Mina]

Something that Nup brought to my attention a while back

"I dont like sand it's course and rough and it gets everywhere" :x

Ick.

[ReaperFett]

Yeah? Sounds like something a great many people at the age of 18 would say when trying to joke with a similar aged person

[Seerrasseei Tsseerra]

blech, personally I thought they had no chemistry....

[Diego Van Derveld]

I have no love for FotR. It was a good movie, nothing more. AotC is Star Wars, another matter altogether to me.

[Loki Ahmrah]

Exactly, AOTC is Star Wars and as such if I used that point to compliment the film then it would be unfair. As a single movie it is piss-poor in comparison to a film like FOTR which is quality from beginning to end. Even the scenes with Aragorn and Arwen were far more convincing than the Anakin-Padmé relationship.

[ReaperFett]

Exactly, AOTC is Star Wars and as such if I used that point to compliment the film then it would be unfair. As a single movie it is piss-poor in comparison to a film like FOTR which is quality from beginning to end. Even the scenes with Aragorn and Arwen were far more convincing than the Anakin-Padmé relationship.
Could argue the same with Marcus though :)

And Padmé/Anakin was far more convincing than that "romance" that felt so bolted on you could see the boltmarks in the corners :)

[Diego Van Derveld]

AotC's romance was corny as hell...but FotR's Aragorn/Arwen scene looked like a stamped-in effort to prevent the entire movie from being "Fellowship of Weiner". I mean...its bad enough you got that prissy Lego-Ass and Gaydalf, and naked orc pr0n :x

[Ryla Relvinian]

:lol oh, man, now that's an image I didn't want in my head. Someone already sent me Klingon porn today and that is my limit.

At any rate, I agree that Anakin and Padme did not have the chemistry/directing/ability to pull off a serious romance. Don't know why, but it just didn't fly with me. I wish George had spent less time designing dresses (Padme changed, like, three times out in the middle of the desert. wtf?) and more time working on PLOT STABILITY!!!

FOTR was... still annoying but much more believable. Aragorn and Arwen just looked like they wanted each other... great chemistry.

And no dissing on my Legolas. *smacks diego's hand* bad boy. :P

[Sene Unty]

I'm sure Legolas would love you to do it with the force Ryla....:D

Oh and send me the Klingon porn...please :lol

[Morgan Evanar]

Empire would trump FOTR. Jedi would give it a run. AOTC was simply too poorly written. Lots of great, yet poorly executed concepts were present. Portman and Hayden are fine actors, but they were given terrible lines.

Lucas has jumped the shark, and did so with TPM. AOTC was better than TPM... but he seriously needs to hire some script writers from the Sopranos, the West Wing or something.

[Figrin D'an]

At this point though, I don't know if it would even be worth it to bring in a bunch of different script writers. It would make Episode III seem so different from the rest of the prequel trilogy, and different from the entire rest of the saga, that people probably wouldn't buy into it anyway. Besides, doing that would be an admission from Lucas that he, and Hales, screwed up on the dialogue in AOTC... I don't think he'd be willing to do that.

Either way, people will still nitpick the film to death... it's a lose-lose situation in that respect.

[Baron Marco Van Derveld]

That, and the FotR fanboy virus that is epidemic here has almost sucked my enjoyment of the movie away :(

[Leeloo Mina]

Yeah, I know what you mean.. I almost dont even like the movie now.

[Diego Van Derveld]

Well its like in the Two Towers, I'm sure Eowyn is going to be a rather cool character, but I'm gonna see the movie and think "Its frelling Xazor!" and then I'm gonna wonder if Eowyn is going to break down into a fit, lamenting how the rest of the fellowship is "out to judge her", while she ends up having love-children with Lego-Ass and a stray wolf.

[Seerrasseei Tsseerra]

:lol

[Levi Argon]

I didn't know you had already read The Two Towers, Diego. :D

[imported_Lance Stormrider]

I voted AOTC, because AOTC' battles were much exciting then FOTR'S. Another thing is that FOTR is too long and they talk wayyyyyyy too much, and it becomes boring so boring that whenever ppl come to my house and start watching my FOTR movie some of em fall asleep in the middle of the movie @_@ the battles were very good I can't deny it. But nothing compared to the intensity and coolness of AOTC :cool You just can't beat Jedi's everyday work

[Leeloo Mina]

:lol@Diego!!

Well, I'm going to be wondering if she's going to strip down and wear a whipped cream binkini and go around flirting with all of the memebers of the fellowship o_O

[Diego Van Derveld]

lol well she won't have any power over Gaydalf!

[Leeloo Mina]

:lol Unless she gets Lego-ass to join in the fun ;)

[Marcus Telcontar]

Your not funny anymore

This is a poll and I wanted sensible comments. You have crossed the line. Any other nonsensible comments, I delete.

[Loki Ahmrah]

(:headbash's Diego for insulting the best character in TTT)

[Diego Van Derveld]

sensible to you? thats a bit skewed, isn't it? My reasons are legitimate enough, thank you.

[Figrin D'an]

Originally posted by Lance Stormrider
I voted AOTC, because AOTC' battles were much exciting then FOTR'S. Another thing is that FOTR is too long and they talk wayyyyyyy too much, and it becomes boring so boring that whenever ppl come to my house and start watching my FOTR movie some of em fall asleep in the middle of the movie @_@ the battles were very good I can't deny it. But nothing compared to the intensity and coolness of AOTC :cool You just can't beat Jedi's everyday work


Oh yes, because lord forbid, dialogue that actual serves to develop the characters in-depth is such a horrible thing.... :rolleyes

[Xazor Elessar]

Originally posted by Diego Van Derveld
Well its like in the Two Towers, I'm sure Eowyn is going to be a rather cool character, but I'm gonna see the movie and think "Its frelling Xazor!" and then I'm gonna wonder if Eowyn is going to break down into a fit, lamenting how the rest of the fellowship is "out to judge her", while she ends up having love-children with Lego-Ass and a stray wolf.


WTF? What have I done to deserve this criticism? At least my character is INTERESTING! I find that quite offensive and truthfully, rude. If you have nothing better to do than insult others to build up your own self-esteem......perhaps you should grow up. :mad

[Diego Van Derveld]

If you're gonna blow up at a bit of satire, then you need to take a long break from here, breathe, and learn to laugh at yourself. It was meant in light-heartedness.

[Leeloo Mina]

o_O As was my post.. I didn't know that joking like that would offend you. Seems to offend a few people around here.. I'll try to be more serious when it comes to things O_o

[Arya Ravenwing]

Chill out people, if you can't laugh at yourself then you need to stop wearing OOC whip cream bikinis. Xazor, you can't do that and expect people to take you seriously all the time. At the same time, lets just stop commenting on Eowyn, as it isn't funny to some people.

And I am anxiously awaiting TTT!!! *waits waits waits*

[ReaperFett]

Oh yes, because lord forbid, dialogue that actual serves to develop the characters in-depth is such a horrible thing....
You dont say anything about people saying similar about LOTR. DOuble standards? :)

[Oriadin]

Since the majority it seems prefer LOTR I would be interested to know which film people would want to see more...

TTT or Ep3?

For me its Ep3 without a doubt. There is no choice to make!

[imported_Lance Stormrider]

LOl Ep3, thus I WILL watch TTT I watched FOTR so might as well go all the wayyy. :) Damn Ep3 for coming out in 3 years >_<

[Figrin D'an]

Originally posted by ReaperFett
You dont say anything about people saying similar about LOTR. DOuble standards? :)

Fett... once again, you managed to make absolutely no sense at all. I don't even know where to begin in debunking this statement...


I'll attempt to spell this out for you, even though it pains me to do so.


My comment was in response to Lance... he claimed, in his post, that FOTR "... is too long and they talk wayyyyyyy too much, and it becomes boring..." I responsed with a sarcastic remark about dialogue used to develop characters being such a bad thing... (note the little rolling eyes smiley at the end of my statement.)

Breaking this down, this means that I feel that the dialogue in FOTR was well-designed, pivital to expressing character emotion, and necessary to develop the characters for the rest of the storyline. I felt that Lance's statement about the film being too long and the characters talking too much was a gross oversimplification, and missed the point of much of the story.

So... somehow, I "don't say anything about people saying similar about LOTR."


umm... yeah. Sure.



"DOuble standards?"

How?

Firstly, this is my opinion. I can like the dialogue of one film better than the other. It's called personal preference.

Secondly, no one made a comment about the dialogue of AOTC in a similar mold as the statement to which I responded.

Thirdly, even if there was such a comment, because I haven't responded to it suddenly means that I have created a double standard? Hardly...

Fourthly... I haven't made a single opinionated comment about the dialogue of AOTC in this entire thread. How can you presume anything of my opinion of it, as such? And if you are going to cling to this statement as evidence to the contrary...

"Besides, doing that would be an admission from Lucas that he, and Hales, screwed up on the dialogue in AOTC..."

... don't even bother. That was an opinion of Lucas mindset and attitude, not of the dialogue itself. I feel that, if Lucas were to bring in new script writers, it would be done begrudgingly, and of course the media and public would take it as an admission that his writing skills are lack luster.


I don't think I can be any more clear...

So... either I have sufficiently explained this, or your comment makes even LESS sense than I originally thought.

:)

[Zasz Grimm]

In my View, AOTC wins. I was anticipating it more. I enjoyed LOTR alot, you can ask anyone who knows me, mainly because I like Liv Tyler. Scenes were written well in LoTR. But really, it's SW. I enjoy it more, anticipate it more. Sure, the scene's between Anakin and Padme were corny, but were the scenes between Aragorn and Arwen not just the same?

I see both view points, but SW is just my thing.

All LOTR is for me, is just something to bide my time till Ep.3.