SW Lycanthrope discussion and reforms

[Diego Van Derveld]

I know there are several folks here who play both Garou (which is from White Wolf RP) and Lupines (which isn't from a particular genre, unless you count Vega's head ^_^; ). There has been talk of how the lycanthropic population has boomed, and how folks are pretty much not even paying lip service to the notion that this is Star Wars. However, I've done some thinking about this, and I've had an idea, which I've talked with Vega about.

Instead of a metamorphosis into a wolf's form...something far more intimidating, and far more Star Wars.

Vornskr.

Vornskr, for the laymen, are essentially wolves with poison-barb tails, native to Myrkyr. They have a predilection to being able to sense Force-adepts naturally, even in the presence of ysalimir, as they live on the same planet. They are nocturnal predators, and are naturally aggressive and vicious to Force users. Thus, you've essentially got something the size, shape, and overall function of a direwolf, plus a natural force sense, and a venom that is one of the only ones that will work on a Jedi or Sith. Its a much nastier incarnation, and a much cleaner fit into Star Wars.

Thoughts and discussion, both pro and con, are welcome.

[ReaperFett]

But it would go psycho upon sensing a Jedi near.

[Dasquian Belargic]

Not a problem for the dark side lyncanthropes :)

Perhaps it could be a set back of being a Garou/Lupine/whatever? That you loose control of yourself in the other form. I mean as Vega I already say that he has no real sway over how he acts in his alternate form.

[ReaperFett]

how could you have the force AND hunt down the force?

[Diego Van Derveld]

ask a sith fighting a jedi, or vice versa.

[ReaperFett]

Thats not instinct. It is a paradox just about.

[Diego Van Derveld]

or maybe its simply a traditional predilection among the species, which is controllable to an extent. Like the first thought would be towards aggression, and whether that was acted on or not would depend on other things.

[Vega Van-Derveld]

Such as alignment within the Force

[Zachariah Darmok]

I trust sticking to wolves would be a better idea. As my point of view, Vampires, elfs,dwarfs MAGIC even to the starwars poulance is mere Myth,so to the poplation to the the SW galaxy a wolf would ether have to be a mythical/magical creature or a unknown animal race that thus far has not been discoverd. If we have Vampires, elfs, dwarfs etc...why not have a wolf....for all you could have done is said this to the populcance of the vampires or elfs...why JUST Garou :\

[Vega Van-Derveld]

Really, we're coming off better by changing. Just look at the advantage - you got cool venom stuff! :D

[Zachariah Darmok]

I dont agree, i dont personaly play a Garou and dont own the right to speak up for them. BUT i d think that for exsample, you saythis to a Vamp and say why dont you guys have your vamps ve a race true to SWfans that are like vampires but have the added ability to walk during the day...or not drink blood...would they be a vamp? no...why after all these years have them turn into a Wold type creature that can poision oposition, it would ruin the time put into those chars who are now Garou,makes little sence to me. :\

I could say Sajah the Giant Mongoose is not true to SWfans, i could also that to Magic and elfs and witches and again vamps....

[Vega Van-Derveld]

Let me put it this way - if it's possible to be closer to SW than I already am, I'd rather change.

It's better to be more true to SW, seeing as how we're in a SW RP, than being far away IF POSSIBLE (I'm not saying some things are wrong and shouldn't be done, obviously. I have a vamp character, and I don't codemn em)

[Zachariah Darmok]

I dont personaly think Vamps shuld be part of this universe, but whos to say they are not?...Expanded Universe didn't...whos to say that Garou cant turn into this wolf creature?...thewolf dont have to be a common creature found in the forest..itcould be a unique create that the Garou turn into...i'd ratherleave it how it is rather than shifting it now after so much time into Garou concidering how many people now play Garou and done alot of RPes as wolfs....

[Vega Van-Derveld]

No one is saying they can't turn into wolves. All we're saying is that it would be more true to the nature of the RP to change into something in Star Wars. It's not that big of a change, it just makes it more legit, IMO.

[Zachariah Darmok]

you win :(

[Vega Van-Derveld]

I don't "win", there is no winning here :) Just a discussion of what is truer to what we're trying to do :)

[Sith Ahnk]

A small change... but a step in the right direction.

[Korik Bannor]

This topic caught my interest, I will just state that wolves are very beautiful creatures. Vornskrs are very hideous creatures. Gnarly and grotesque looking however they are a part of the SW canon and have venomous tails which is cool. Have you thought about howlrunners from the planet Kamar just outside the Corporate Sector? They are fairly canine-like creatures with a head that looks menacingly like a human skull. IMHO, I feel wolves can fit in any RP universe tho.

[Vega Van-Derveld]

wolves are very beautiful creatures. Vornskrs are very hideous creatures.

That doesn't bother me particularly :) In the end, they are both going to serve the same purpose, it's just that one is a little more fitting and has a few small changes.

As for the howlrunners, I'd not heard of them, but if they have a skull which is similiar to a humans, then they wouldn't really fit the bill.

[Loki Ahmrah]

Or alternatively, as I have suggested before, how about metamorphing into Krak'ja, a wolf species from Bothawui, a choice which in my opinion is far better than a vornskyr. Why? Because it doesn't make much sense at all. The venom in a vornskyr's tail is poisonous so that would mean that these lycanthropes would have a harmful toxin in them which would be harmful to them in human form. Paradox one. Then for force-users who are such creatures, they would go crazy at the site of any force-user. Now if you're going to change to and from this creature there should have to be some set-backs such as you can't choose which force-users you attack, any and all when in vornskyr mode and secondly when in this frenzy, lycanthropes cannot morph back unless somehow forced or convinced, not by choice until they have satisfied the bloodthirst. So paradox two is a Sith killing a Sith in vornskyr form and vice-versa for Jedi.

The you have Krak'jah who don't have these problems and secondly, when it comes to size, they are bigger than vornskyrs - more muscle mass which would make far more sense than a human turning into a vornskyr which is small in comparison. I will get a picture of a Krak'ja up here soon before you guys shrug it off.

[Sanis Prent]

Pics I've seen of vornskrs make them look like big ol direwolves, with long, whip-like tails. Not that hideous, IMO

[Vega Van-Derveld]

Thanks Loki :) That'd be helpful

[Korik Bannor]

Just another thought on the wolf issue, if you kept the wolves it would create more myth and mystery surrounding the Garou. Raising questions like, where do the Garou originate from? What is a wolf? Vornskrs can not generate such appeal and intrigue. Vornskr is fairly well known and very likely not highly regarded by most the galaxy's citizens. Just a thought.

[Vega Van-Derveld]

I have a history written up, somewhere, for Lupine's as a species - even though most people consider them Garou by now, I would think. Having Lupine change into wolves, vornskr or whatever would make no difference to the history for me.

Perhaps for those who play 'Garou' it would be good though, instead of having to use the history from White Wolf.

[Vega Van-Derveld]

Here's the link to the other discussion that took place to do with this and the general concept of Garou within SWFans, recently moved out of Temple Avalon :)

LINK (http://www.swforums.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22550)

[Korik Bannor]

Excellent idea Vega :)

[Sejah Haversh]

Hey! How'd I get drug into this? What've I ever done to make myself not fit in with everybody. Just because I don't look the same, doesn't mean I'm not a viable character. I don't have superhuman powers, and can't change shape or anything.

They add new species with each movie, so, I added a small, unimportant one. Don't see how I should get picked on, here. And it's not like I'm starting something new like the Cizerack, which seem to have boomed in popularity; I'm quite happy being a lone entitiy.

Unless, of course, you were just usign me as a reference of some kind, but, still. I think the Ciz should have been your point maker, not me.

[Vega Van-Derveld]

I don't think he was picking on you, just using the fact that Sejah is of an unusual (and technically non SW) species as an example.

And actually, I think Cizerack are an actual race in Star Wars EU. Thought correct me if I'm wrong (just think I saw something to do with them in a card game).

[Sejah Haversh]

Really, Hmm, I've just never seen the Ciz anywhere else at all, even when I looked them up. Oh well, perhaps I didn't look hard enough.

[Vega Van-Derveld]

http://www.madcoyote.com/renleg/race-ciz.html

:)

[Sejah Haversh]

Okay, I stand corrected. Thanks, that was most informative.

And I wasn't really offended, just, a little startled that I got picked.

[Loki Ahmrah]

Here's a vornskr:

http://www.andrew-milligan.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/misc/vornskr.JPG

Here's a Krak'ja:

http://www.andrew-milligan.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/misc/krakja.JPG

[Sanis Prent]

They are from SW tabletop

[Vega Van-Derveld]

Krak'ja look a bit feline

[Loki Ahmrah]

I just think they or a variant of that creature would be a much better choice than vornskyrs. I just think to be able to metamorph into a wolf is one thing; to turn into a wolf-like creature with extra force-sensing capabilities and a poisonous tail is a bit much.

[Vega Van-Derveld]

Surely not if it has drawbacks? It's not that big of a change.

As far as I know, Verse and Xazor already play it as if in wolf form they can already sense the Force/talk/etc - so for them it'd be a good change, as it'd be making it a notch more realistic.

[Sanis Prent]

why's that a bit much? If they're force sensitive, they can already sense force users. I mean....its not giving a ridiculous edge on anybody.

And as far as size differential, direwolf transformations have always been proportionally larger than normal wolves. So having creatures that can metamorph into a proportionally mimicable creatures isn't too much of a stretch. And who's to say that in such a state, that they couldn't have immunity to their own toxins?

[Korik Bannor]

Or that they are immune to the venom while in Vornskr form but as all can assume the venom glands and barbs are safely enjoined or near non-existant while in human form.

[ReaperFett]

]Let me put it this way - if it's possible to be closer to SW than I already am, I'd rather change.
I dont see how picking a SW creature to turn into makes it SWy.


I personally think it's a bit too powerful as well. I dont mind if you turn into a wolf or something, but you turn into this ultimate Jedi/Sith/force user killing machine?


I prefer Loki's idea.

[Vega Van-Derveld]

I dont see how picking a SW creature to turn into makes it SWy.

It's more SW-ish than turning into a non-SW creature. You can't always please everyone, but the least you can do is try and satisfy some.

How are we turning into an ultimate killing machine? I'd say that a Jedi/Sith with a lightsaber and the force under his/her control has a strong advantage over a wolf-like creature.

[Sanis Prent]

thank you, rational Vega.

Even without the Force on Myrkyr, Luke was able to kill one. They aren't ubermensch characters. Its just an angle.

[ReaperFett]

If dogs are SW, why not wolves?

[Korik Bannor]

Well, I stated this before and that is a wolves can fit into any RP universe. The natural distribution of vornskrs and Krak'jas is way too small, endemic to a single world that are populated and throroughly explored. The Garou are now forced to have some connection to Bothwui or Myrkyr. And many people would likely have a great disdain for either one of these natural creatures. A wolf has true mystique that the SW creatures lack and plus allows more creativity and inventedness.

[Gav Mortis]

Overall, this boom is really resembling the whole SSJ era and as such I am really skeptical about it.

[ReaperFett]

Even without the Force on Myrkyr, Luke was able to kill one. They aren't ubermensch characters. Its just an angle.
Luke is more powerful than almost anyone here.

[Vega Van-Derveld]

If dogs are SW, why not wolves?


I don't know. Are wolves SW? ;;shrugs;; I guess Charley just thought it would be interesting to be a bit inventitive.


Overall, this boom is really resembling the whole SSJ era and as such I am really skeptical about it.


sigh.

[Sanis Prent]

They aren't forced to do a thing. These creatures may be endemic to a certain planet. People aren't. Civilizations can blossom, migrate, die, etc. So who's to say that they can't do this?

[Sanis Prent]

Luke is more powerful than almost anyone here.

Without the force? Flying load of horse crap he is!

[Vega Van-Derveld]

Oh and as for the whole "Oh well being able to change into a wolf makes you over powerful" line, I use it as more of a hinderance than an aide.

Vega changes involuntarily, and has no control over where or when. He has no mental control over himself whilst in his other form. He cannot use the force. He cannot wield a weapon. He cannot speak.

For all intensive purposes, he is a large dog. :|

[ReaperFett]

Luke once had a dog, he remembered so in the ANH novel.



I just see the point of the change. Vornskyrs come from one rarely gone to planet. I cant see how an evolution of them would end up on the outside.

[Gav Mortis]

I'm just being honest, I don't mean to offend or anything. I just have my doubts now.

[ReaperFett]

Oh and as for the whole "Oh well being able to change into a wolf makes you over powerful" line, I use it as more of a hinderance than an aide.
Wolf is fine. I like wolves. It's Vornskyr I say that about. I personally can't see how anyone can fully RP one either

[Chaos Alexander]

Ok. I was the first werewolf here so I will put my two sence in.




I don't allow Verse to change. I have played it off saying only select Garou are able to change. Sue to a 'sickness' Verse is not able to change, nor has he ever been able to (I did once, but only to piss teh other dude off because he was God-Modding.) I feel that shape shifting is not a fair thing. You can water it down, you can suger coat it, but it still really isn't fair. I may have been on teh otehr side of this argument when I first started, but I have switched sides. This is what *I* say about the Garou race I play.


That are a primitive race found on a Planer called Eden. It is found on the far outer rim. A Few GArou can shapeshift, but most that can are evil ones (They uses the Sith Art Shapeshift if you will). The Garou look human in all ways. They just have a really high regeneration ability, and due to there primitive nature, they have better hearing and smell. It is a adaptation. I don't allow Verse, nor Chaos, to shapeshift at all. I just say some Garou can that way if Sussy What'sHerName wants to be a Garou in all respects, they can. I dis use some Garou terms, like the 13 tribes to a certain point, but have stopped that as well seeing as though it is not SW. After I did all of this, I only have a stronger version human.

As for Mythical stuff, People are breaking down on the Garou because more people want to play them (I feel like a trend setter). We in fact have Warlocks, Elves, Dwarfs, Drow, Vamps, ect. To keep from falling into the "That's not fair" trap, I did what I had to do. Now you all know how I play my char. He isn't even a shapeshifter.

[Gav Mortis]

Originally posted by Vega Van Derveld

Vega changes involuntarily, and has no control over where or when. He has no mental control over himself whilst in his other form. He cannot use the force. He cannot wield a weapon. He cannot speak.

For all intensive purposes, he is a large dog. :|

That's fine. Metamorphosis is a big thing but when you are gracious enough to give yourself such limits then there's nothing wrong with it.

[Vega Van-Derveld]

I feel that shape shifting is not a fair thing. You can water it down, you can suger coat it, but it still really isn't fair.

Why?

[Korik Bannor]

Originally posted by Sanis Prent
They aren't forced to do a thing. These creatures may be endemic to a certain planet. People aren't. Civilizations can blossom, migrate, die, etc. So who's to say that they can't do this?



True but than Bothwui or Myrkyr would definitely had a huge impact on the history and genetical evolution of the Garou's natural shape-shifting ability. That it would come to define the Garou. Which would make for an interesting backstory.

[Chaos Alexander]

The real Garou shapeshifting ability:

Then in Crinos (werewolf) Garou can grow as big as 12 feet tall, they get very strong, and ungodly agile. There claws can rip almost rip through steel, and when they fully get into a rage, there is almost nothign that can stop them. That is a bit unfair to the common human. I am not saying people should not be able to play one, this is a free-playing RP, I just think being able to do that is not so cool.

[Sanis Prent]

Y'know...forget it :) Honestly. Keep your white wolf stuff as-is.

[Vega Van-Derveld]

No one on this board, that I know of, is doing that (except from Silverback, who is virtually an NPC and is only used for training purposes).

From experience, we are simply turning into actual wolves, not semi-man-semi-wolf creatures. You're putting yourself at a disadvantage in combat or any situation, not elevating yourself to some indestructable form.

Plus, I don't believe I'm Garou. Which means I'm not following the guidelines they put down anyway.

[Sanis Prent]

(shrug) I'd hate to bring any more SSJ into this place than I already have.

[Chaos Alexander]

I know. I never said you did. i am just sayin' why I choose not to shapeshift. I have the right to say why I don't shapeshift just as much as the next person saying why they do. I was just saying what I do as a 'Garou' char.

[Vega Van-Derveld]

Fair enough. Was just giving MO.

[Kregain Richtien]

Just killm all and call it a day

[Marcus Telcontar]

If the Garou want to change into wolves, I dont hve a problem with that - I did until AOTC came out tho. Changlings became quite canon then, didn't they?

If you want to play changelings, the only rule of thump would be conservation of mass (ie you can change size but you can never change mass) so I dont see chaging to a dog like creature is too far a stretch. HOWEVER, I would also say that other baseline attributes must stay over the change - ie, if your bite is poisonous, it stays that way, if you have a venomous tail, somehow has to be preserved, you cant just accquire one cause you changed.

One of the things I have noted about the Garou is that most play very fair, so the issue of what they do isnt a big one. It's not used to gain huge powers over and above a Jedi, all the issue seems to me is that your taking terms and words from White Wolf or whatever it is - and because I am totally unfamiliar with it, it makes no difference to me, especially given it's only terms and names, not powers.

Now if a changeling makes the change to a wolf in combat to a Jedi, well, I think they deserve the butt kicking they will get from the said Jedi. A Vonskyr or a wolf is simply unsuited to fighting a sabre bearing being, full stop.

So really, is there really an issue beyond names and terms? Does being a Garou give you Uber Undead 1337 skillz? Does it give you ANY mad skillz? If not, who cares then? Changelings are SW canon and a quite resonable one if preservation of abilities and mass is taken into account. If ripping off from wherever is such an issue, then just change the names. But then again, it matters little to me cause I had no idea where Garou concepts came from and it just seems like a fairly well designed race that is quite possible

[Sanis Prent]

This is the same "WHAT UTTER ROT" Mark I know? :huh

[Marcus Telcontar]

IF AOTC hadnt been made, then Changeling would be still Complete and Utter Rot. But the fact is, there is one in AOTC, so you cant go saying shapechanging is illegal now, can you?

So I still have to ask... what is a Garou, what Uber powers do they have, and where did they come from? I know not the answers to these questions. All I have seen is a few people saysing they may have the ability to chage to canines. I've only ever seen it once and I have never seen Garou user Uber powers. So..... *shrug*

[Sanis Prent]

I have no idea about Garou, seeing as I don't play one, and don't associate with them, nor have any interest in doing so.

[Seerrasseei Tsseerra]

honestly changing the Garou would not be a good thing....the ability to change into a wolf in a fight is not an advantage but instead works against them....if they were to change into a wolf with a venom tail, etc, there would be no end to the Godmoding fights....personally I would rather not see Garou go the way of the Saiya.....

[Kregain Richtien]

Ill remind you there are still a few sayia...

[Seerrasseei Tsseerra]

considering I was one, don't you think I know that? I meant I don't want to see the godmoding fights that used to be here when the Saiya were still in large numbers.....

[Kar'h'tzen Shaed]

This discussion has me all excited. I want to make a wererancor character, now.

[Morgan Evanar]

DING DING DING INCORRECT!

I have not seen a sayain in at least six months.

I've chosen to pretty much ignore lupines/whatevers, especially in the past ~5 months. They're too many of you for it to feel meaningful anymore.

[Leeloo Mina]

DING DING DING INCORRECT!
O_o o_O

You remind me alot of a guy I used to know back in 8th grade.. you look like him and act alot like him. Feaky.

DBZ people or "sayains" usually scare me. I dont like their rping/fighting styles.. there were some that were okay, but I mean in general.. back when they were really popular, alot of them annoyed me.

Thankfully, I havent seen any in a while

[Seerrasseei Tsseerra]

as far as I know of Miryan is the only one around that I know that still rps a Saiyajin..but as far as the Garou go, I respect them, the ones I see rp it pretty well and aren't going against the rules.....

[Sanis Prent]

Y'know, I might as well bring Hitler, or boy bands into this RP, cause I can't imagine a bigger stigma than "That SSJ guy" and I might as well go for broke!

[Kregain Richtien]

Originally posted by Sanis Prent
Y'know, I might as well bring Hitler, or boy bands into this RP, cause I can't imagine a bigger stigma than "That SSJ guy" and I might as well go for broke!

LoL, thats soooooo Italas Star Wars RP these days

[Sanis Prent]

>_< I know

[Kregain Richtien]

IMO, Gauru could be as easily explained as vampires. If your willing to accept one, then your going to let a whole host of other things you didnt want in. Just a thought...

[Morgan Evanar]

Oh. Miryan. Sorry I forgot about yah. =p

He's toned it so down that I don't even count him into the SS catagory thingy. Good RPer too.

[Sanis Prent]

<img src=http://www.bama.ua.edu/~hicks020/pics/grenade.gif>

[Chaos Alexander]

I used to want another Garou to RP with...now there is one for every mood I have. My wish came true......all to well. There is more Van Develds, and Dawnstriders, than I can shake a stick at. I don't know if I should cry for joy or sorrow. We are breeding like cockroachs.

[Sanis Prent]

I'm no Garou, nor is any other Van Derveld, to my knowledge :\

[Jehova Eaven]

Ah well, my two cents for this semi-popular thread...

I don't respect any vampires/vampyres/dwarves/garou, basicly D&D and whitewolf stuff on this board. I tend to ignore those rpers which is a shame because some can write really well. Oh well, to me it just doesn't belong. Anyways, time for a shotgun.... party.

[Kar'h'tzen Shaed]

I thought you were going to say "shotgun.... wedding", and was getting nervous. Thank goodness.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Originally posted by Kar'h'tzen Shaed
This discussion has me all excited. I want to make a wererancor character, now.

:lol:lol

One thought: if you were to become "vornskyr" type lupines or what-have-you, then you would be able to sense Force users EVEN IF THEY HAD A YSALMIRI! That would be a cool ablity.

And I RP a changeling, although I tend to not let her change into much of anything. ^_^;

[Kar'h'tzen Shaed]

She has to wash her everyday clothes SOMETIME, De'Ville. Come on. You're being cruel and unusual to her.

[Diego Van Derveld]

Oh and every time I change, I ruin a perfectly good set of clothes! :(

That, and I end up laying down, disoriented and naked, with mystery meat bits stuck in my teeth :cry

Hows that for a disadvantage. Oh yeah...and mobs with pitchforks and torches....because in a world full of evil Sith and power-trippy Jedi...somehow *I* am a monster!!!

And fleas (scritch scritch)

[Diego Van Derveld]

And dont even get me started on staying changed for too long! Sure, senses get keener, and I can run faster, and all that. But seeing in monochrome gets boring, not to mention, getting a bit stupid in the head...

<strike>...and if you're in that position, and a nice looking German shepherd crosses your path...it will make you think about a few things! Then again, bitches like that are only for sex. No personality there</strike> ^_^;

:uhoh

(strikes from the record!!)

[Lilaena De'Ville]

:eek

[Nasseeri Haalleerraa]

That jisss wherrre jyou arrre missssssjing out, Djiego. We feljinesss arrre sssoft, clean and love to purrrrrr when we'rrre happjy. ;)

[Diego Van Derveld]

I've had my share of bastards already, but even I'm not stupid enough to mix cats & dogs!

[Jhyx]

*jumps up on Nass' head, then reaches down to pet her ear*

[Nasseeri Haalleerraa]

*thinks about eating the little critter on her head for dessert but is enjoying the light scratching*

Jyou arrre sssuch a tjypjical canjine! ji thjink jyou could do wjith a rrrolled up newssspaperrr acrrrossssss jyourrr hjindquarrrterrrsss! jy wasss meanjing that jyourrre missssssjing out bjy not bejing a feljine! :rolleyes

Ahh, jyesss. A ljittle to the rrrjight, now. Thatsss good!

[Marcus Telcontar]

:: Picks up kitty by the scruff of the neck and thorws her outside ::

Bad kitty! Bad!

[Jhyx]

*is thrown out with the kitty* :(

[Nasseeri Haalleerraa]

*uses Marcus' speeder as a scratching post* :mischief

[Marcus Telcontar]

:: Gets out firehose and give kitty a good spraying with water ::

[Arya Ravenwing]

:lol

[Nasseeri Haalleerraa]

*crouches behind the speeder, happy that shes simply being sprayed instead of spayed :D

[Marcus Telcontar]

Who said that wasnt next?

:evil

[Diego Van Derveld]

(notices fire hydrant next to Marcus)

:)!

[Kelt Simoson]

I im sticking to what i said earlier in the thread... and i side with Loki and Fett on the subject.

[Nasseeri Haalleerraa]

>_<


*throws kitty litter at Marcus* >D

[Diego Van Derveld]

Y'know Sieken. I don't rightfully care anymore. :) Do whatever. My ability to give a damn seems to have waned today.

[Kelt Simoson]

:\

Also Jenny Silverback is Siekens alt form at to be honest i aint had a chance to playhim in a decent RP to make him be a wolf, in which you have made your own accoutn for him at Meras....Silverback is not a NPC...

[Korik Bannor]

This semi-off-topic, but with this character I am going to introduce a human race called the Haruchai. It is just me paying homage to a set of trilogies I love and enjoy. Everything has been modified to fit in the SW Universe and even changed the details of the subjects pulled from within the trilogies themselves. His homeworld is Melenkurion but will remain indefinitely absent physically in his RPs. For obvious reasons! ;)

And in this RP version, they will remain ordinary, mortal humans however they did have a ancient warrior caste called the bloodguard whom in very ancient times fought for the most part without weapons.

[Vega Van-Derveld]

blahblahblah. obviously no one gives a crap, so forget it.

[Seerrasseei Tsseerra]

:lol

[Korik Bannor]

:lol

[Levi Argon]

Originally posted by Vega Van Derveld
blahblahblah. obviously no one gives a crap, so forget it.

I think that statement is really unfair. I'll remember not to bother contributing in the future. :|

[Seerrasseei Tsseerra]

mew? was meant to be funny me thinks.....

[Levi Argon]

I fail to see the humor in it. I think Vega's a bit pissed because the discussion has degraded somewhat. I'm not sure but in any case her remark was rather ham-handed. :\

[Seerrasseei Tsseerra]

dunno honestly... :\

[Jehova Eaven]

I would think that she would be pissed.

[Seerrasseei Tsseerra]

about what? I must've missed something there....

[Diego Van Derveld]

I think she's referring to the way the original idea went...not to the post prior to hers. At any rate, I echo her sentiment in that regard.

[Levi Argon]

What exactly is stopping you from roleplaying you character as one who can turn into a vornskr? You guys don't need our blessing for it. I was honest when I said I'm skeptical about it, but then, this is concerning Lupine characters - the only Lupine's as far as I know are the Van Dervelds who are roleplayed well - so yourself and Vega like the idea, Vega being the creator of the lupine race is entitled to alter it's backstory and characteristics as she sees fit.

As long as it is roleplayed well, which I'm sure it will be I have no problems with it but I will hold my tongue to see how it turns out before I give my approval or condemnation of it. Either way, it doesn't matter because you are free to roleplay your characters how you want. What you have proposed is not god-moding so by all means, do it.

[Diego Van Derveld]

What exactly is stopping you from roleplaying you character as one who can turn into a vornskr? You guys don't need our blessing for it.

Precisely. It was never in question as far as whether or not we would do it. What we were trying to do was kinda bring the Garou folks into something that was somewhat uniform and didn't seem like a white wolf carbon copy. That failed, so I can't really help those people. But yeah, I'm doing what I want.

[Levi Argon]

Ah right. Then if you both turned into vornskrs then the difference between Garou and Lupine would be almost non-existant. As far as I know, there is only one type of vornskr, those form Myrkr as for wolves in general, earth has a variety of wolf species alone. I'm quite sure that in the SW universe there's plenty for the garou to choose from but I understand the benefits of having characters who change into well-known SW creatures as opposed to those that turn into something less colourful and cannon I guess you could say.

My advice would be to not concern yourself with Garou characters, same goes for the Garou and go about your own respective businesses. That way, both can focus on themselves and their own place in the SW Universe, improve and enjoy and never the twain shall meet. By that I don't mean don't roleplay with them, I mean don't concern yourself with their "culture."

Lupine = original and unfortunately, Garou = WW clash with SW these days. :\

[Eris Alexiel]

Originally posted by Diego Van Derveld
Precisely. It was never in question as far as whether or not we would do it. What we were trying to do was kinda bring the Garou folks into something that was somewhat uniform and didn't seem like a white wolf carbon copy. That failed, so I can't really help those people. But yeah, I'm doing what I want.

:mneh still don't like the barbed tail one.

[Diego Van Derveld]

Then don't frelling do it. Case closed. Don't pass go, and don't collect 200 dollars.

[Kelt Simoson]

Were playing monopoly now? im having the car!