RE: TSO Training Mission The Raid

[Dalethria Mal Pannis]

This added effect stuff needs to be discussed and discussed now. To have a weapon that can instantly do the moves of ANYONE on the boards seems godmoddish to me.

I have Navaria that has that ability through the Force... and needs to be RPed out if she gains that ability. (Which was actually a clone ablitity that was granted to her through backstory and weirdness)

It does not happen instantly and requires her to practice it before she can even do it. Granted, she can learn martial arts move faster but if it comes to an ability, she must mediate and focus until the intricacies of the power can be obtained.

An actual gaunlet giving instant power does not seem fair to me

will provide link in a second

http://www.swforums.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22020&perpage=20&pagenumber=1

last post is what I am talking about.

Now these are my opinions on the matter. Now I wish to hear all of yours and the person that holds the weapon as well

[TheHolo.Net]

An excerpt from the post that got my attention the most about this "added effect" was "far superior". :x

[Admiral Lebron]

What if its a robot?

[Dalethria Mal Pannis]

That has nothing to do with this thread Lebron, and besides, last time I remember a robot can't access the Force anyway. Please stay on topic of the gaunlet since that needs to be addressed.

[Admiral Lebron]

Delete this and last post then.

[TheHolo.Net]

Saying a character has "far superior" abilities no matter how gained is the very definition of god mode.

[Diego Van Derveld]

I long ago had a character with mimic's abilities...but it took a won fight in order to access this.

[TheHolo.Net]

But they were mimic abilities, not something that granted instant "superior" abilities. This character is only 6 days old. Seems like its in a rush to get the big Force guns to me. O_o

I mean, I have a mimic character too, but am very selective in how and with who I use it.

[TheHolo.Net]

BTW: My mimic character is almost two years old since registration on ezboard and only been used here on Fans twice in that time. So when I say selective I am not kidding.

[Dalethria Mal Pannis]

Same applies to Navaria/Daleethria as well. I actually have never used my ability yet. But I am planning on RP around it with a fellow swfans poster.

[Diego Van Derveld]

>_< (remembers Ogies mimic)

[Yasashii Mikan]

Explanation of Added-Effect

It is a technology, worn as a bracer on the wrist. It goes halfway up to the elbow. It has a screen used to check the programming of the bracer for virus and errors. Yasashii wears his on the right arm, Oishii wears his on the left. It works like this. A solid blow with the bracered hand will copy the ability of an opponent. No nicks or blocks, it has to connect good. An ability is taken from the opponent and copied. Right now, Yasashii and Oishii are about as strong as a padawan/disciple with no training, so the Added-Effect is really, really REALLY weak. It gets stronger as they grow, and becomes superior only after we become stronger than the person who used it originally. For our Added-Effects to defeat Dyzm, we'll have to be stronger than him (This will take a LONG time, I assure you, so don't worry). A few drawbacks to Added-Effect:

1)Only one ability at a time.
2)An ability stays for the duration of one thread. After that, we can't use it without recopying it.
3) unless we're stronger than the opponent, its considerably weaker.

Hope this clears it up, but once last time in all caps:

WE ARE NOT SUPERIOR UNLESS WE ARE STRONGER THAN YOU. WE ARE THE WEAKEST NON-FORCE USERS ON THE BOARD AT THIS TIME, THE BRACER REALLY ISN'T HELPING US, ITS JUST A UNIQUE LI'L THING THAT KEEPS US FROM BEING ANOTHER GUNSLINGER OR REGULAR SWORDFIGHTER. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.

[TheHolo.Net]

Yup, one of his characters was one it was used with. :lol

Waits to hear from the poster with the new one since an explanation may very well clear this all up :)

[Yasashii Mikan]

See above.

[Diego Van Derveld]

(Applies ion cannon gratuitously)

Game. Set. Match. :)

[TheHolo.Net]

Originally posted by Yasashii Mikan
Explanation of Added-Effect

It is a technology, worn as a bracer on the wrist. It goes halfway up to the elbow. It has a screen used to check the programming of the bracer for virus and errors. Yasashii wears his on the right arm, Oishii wears his on the left. It works like this. A solid blow with the bracered hand will copy the ability of an opponent. No nicks or blocks, it has to connect good. An ability is taken from the opponent and copied. Right now, Yasashii and Oishii are about as strong as a padawan/disciple with no training, so the Added-Effect is really, really REALLY weak. It gets stronger as they grow, and becomes superior only after we become stronger than the person who used it originally. For our Added-Effects to defeat Dyzm, we'll have to be stronger than him (This will take a LONG time, I assure you, so don't worry). A few drawbacks to Added-Effect:

1)Only one ability at a time.
2)An ability stays for the duration of one thread. After that, we can't use it without recopying it.
3) unless we're stronger than the opponent, its considerably weaker.

Hope this clears it up, but once last time in all caps:

WE ARE NOT SUPERIOR UNLESS WE ARE STRONGER THAN YOU. WE ARE THE WEAKEST NON-FORCE USERS ON THE BOARD AT THIS TIME, THE BRACER REALLY ISN'T HELPING US, ITS JUST A UNIQUE LI'L THING THAT KEEPS US FROM BEING ANOTHER GUNSLINGER OR REGULAR SWORDFIGHTER. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. Sounds reasonable to me. :)

[Val Torre]

Personally, I am not a fan of mimic abilities at all. It's not like a character can watch someone use some sort of intricate force power then be able to mimic it off the bat, something like that needs to be roleplayed to explain. But then you have the question: When does it stop being a mimic and become the characters own adapted move?

As far as I am concerned, the ability to mimic insinuates instantaneous effect and anything other that requires practise is nothing more than a regular practised ability. The ability to mimic is god-moding. As is this Added-Effect nonsense.

[TheHolo.Net]

Originally posted by Diego Van Derveld
(Applies ion cannon gratuitously)

Game. Set. Match. :) :lol

[Dalethria Mal Pannis]

side note, yasashi - sig needs to be shrunk. that is too large needs to be around 30k. Yours is 36

I also agree that those limitations are pretty good. Tis why I made this thread so you can explain your gauntlet thingy :)

[Dalethria Mal Pannis]

So are you saying that Navaria/Daleethria's ability is god-moding Val?

Also, they said the effects of the added effect are weaker, can only be just one at a time and cant be duplicated at all. Once the thread is over the gauntlet holds no power.

[Yasashii Mikan]

Diego--Not to say we have no natural skills, we are considerable hand-to-hand fighters. But for situations where the opponent has monstrous Force skill, it helps. Against Non-Force users, we should be an even match unless they have some heavy weaponry.

[TheHolo.Net]

Originally posted by Val Torre
Personally, I am not a fan of mimic abilities at all. It's not like a character can watch someone use some sort of intricate force power then be able to mimic it off the bat, something like that needs to be roleplayed to explain. But then you have the question: When does it stop being a mimic and become the characters own adapted move?

As far as I am concerned, the ability to mimic insinuates instantaneous effect and anything other that requires practise is nothing more than a regular practised ability. The ability to mimic is god-moding. As is this Added-Effect nonsense. That very opinion is the reason for my reluctance to use my mimic character unless its with someone who I know will work with it, and also knows I will not go too far overboard. Its more or less planned in a sense and not random really.

[Diego Van Derveld]

Hand to hand eh?

>D

Yes, punch me! Do indeed! :lol

(SNAP!)

[Yasashii Mikan]

Hey, Dalethria, while we're doin sigs, check Oishii's for us, if you would. As for Val, if we had it be stronger no matter what level we were, I'd understand why you think its godmoding. But the one I used on Dyzm in that thread (the electric strikes) probably will tingle him a little. He'll laugh it off and throw me aside, I'll bet. Which is the reaction I'm expecting anyways, so...:lol

[Val Torre]

I will apologise for this comment.


The ability to mimic is god-moding. As is this Added-Effect nonsense.

I was typing this post before the explanation for the Added-Affect bracer had been supplied and as such retract my comment about it.


So are you saying that Navaria/Daleethria's ability is god-moding Val?

Well, like I said; one has to ask: "When the ability to mimic requires your character to, as you said, 'practice it before she can even do it' then doesn't that just make the ability a regular, practised and developed ability?"

Because I don't see what you describe as a mimic but rather immitating and developing, like a child would it's parents. If that is the case then in comparison a mimic would be instantaneous. As for martial arts manouvers, how would one explain an instantaneous ability to mimic a move that reuired them to use muscles they don't usually rely on?

When people say their character mimics, it seems to me that it is a more impressive way of saying immitating and practising/developing.

[TheHolo.Net]

Originally posted by Yasashii Mikan
Hey, Dalethria, while we're doin sigs, check Oishii's for us, if you would. As for Val, if we had it be stronger no matter what level we were, I'd understand why you think its godmoding. But the one I used on Dyzm in that thread (the electric strikes) probably will tingle him a little. He'll laugh it off and throw me aside, I'll bet. Which is the reaction I'm expecting anyways, so...:lol It was just the part of your post that read "far superior" that caught my attention iand started me thinking it god moding really. :)

[TheHolo.Net]

Originally posted by Val Torre
I will apologise for this comment.



I was typing this post before the explanation for the Added-Affect bracer had been supplied and as such retract my comment about it.



Well, like I said; one has to ask: "When the ability to mimic requires your character to, as you said, 'practice it before she can even do it' then doesn't that just make the ability a regular, practised and developed ability?"

Because I don't see what you describe as a mimic but rather immitating and developing, like a child would it's parents. If that is the case then in comparison a mimic would be instantaneous. As for martial arts manouvers, how would one explain an instantaneous ability to mimic a move that reuired them to use muscles they don't usually rely on?

When people say their character mimics, it seems to me that it is a more impressive way of saying immitating and practising/developing. My mimic character's ability is a natural talent, but the character is only used as a carefully inserted plot device. It doesn't really learn its mimics, but doesn't really fully understand the powers it wields until it uses them after mimicing either, and actually sees it. But as I said I am very reluctant to use it as more than a plot device because the character is labeled a Demi-God by me which is pushing the limits for sure. But I don't drop him in random threads with people who have vnever seen him before and start busting heads either. Only special occasions. Winks at Hera :)

Dale's character's mimic abilities are like what you describe IMO though, learned and practiced, at least thats my opinion. :)

[Yasashii Mikan]

I saw that, SWFans, and I made sure to address it in my explanation. Val, don't worry about it, I have a knack for saying/doing things that cause me trouble...:lol At anyrate, does Added-Effect pass muster? No problems with it?

[TheHolo.Net]

I think the general consensus, so far, to your explanation is its acceptable. :)

[Val Torre]

It all depends on what is actually being mimicked I guess. After all, anyone could immitate someone's super-secret kick-to-the-nuts! But it seems the people who choose to roleplay these characters are the type to understand and respect the boundaries of fairness too. I could just imagine this ability becoming the "in-thing" sometime and every Tom, Dick or Harry suddenly is able to throw around lightning like there was no tomorrow.

[Admiral Lebron]

There will still be people out there that perfer a good blaster to some hokey pokey religieon.

[Yasashii Mikan]

The lightning Yasashii copied from Dyzm could probably be put to better use energizing a battery-powered remote control car. And even if we were at Dyzm's level, I doubt if he could throw it. With the big abilities that are generally applied only to Masters, it'll always, always be much wimpier. The more common abilities like Force push/pull/boost will probably be what they acquire in their Force user fights.

[TheHolo.Net]

Here are the links to my mimic character threads, His mimic abilities go very far in what they can mimic...very far.

http://www.swforums.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11204

http://www.swforums.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11158

Its really a special case I think. A carefully used plot device for special occasions used responsibly IMO at least.

[Elena Van Derveld]

Lightning is meant to be a Sith Lord and above move only, as far as I know :\ I don't think you should be able to create it at all without being at that rank, sort of cheapens it for the people who did work through training to get it

[Zeke]

Ahem...he just said the lightning copy was a one shot deal, he probably wouldn't do it again. If you've seen Dyzm use any other abilities in that thread, point 'em out.

[Salem Ave]

It doesn't matter that he only used it once. That's like saying "Ohh yeah, he only massacred the whole of the planet once, it's no biggie."

You need a lot of force power to be able to pull off lightning, its not something you can just conjure out of mid air with a magic glove

[Yasashii Mikan]

So the problem now isn't Added-Effect, but what it copies. Any OTHER powers we should be denied access to?

[Dalethria Mal Pannis]

Yes, Navaria's abilities are only seen and then practiced on later, providing an easier way of learning them through meditation :)

As for physical manuvers, considering her 'past' with Dalethria, Navaria can learn things easier because of that, not only her talent.

And .. to clarify, I have had this power with the character for like what? A year and a half maybe :lol maybe a year :)

[Dasquian Belargic]

So the problem now isn't Added-Effect, but what it copies. Any OTHER powers we should be denied access to?


I would say stick to powers that would be accessible to a force user of your calibre. Simple things. Just MHO tho.

[Oishii Sakana]

Might I add that the Added Effect technology aquires a random skill from the person that is attacked.

Dyzm's lightning skill is a very hard move to master. Therefore, there is a slim, slim chance that Yasashii was able to aquire that skill. The bracer "reads" a person's skill level, then picks some useful skills and chooses one. It all depends on the situation. And also, the way in which we implement our newly aquired skill will be different from it;s original user.

[Navaria Tarkin]

btw- I forgot to add this ... Oishii, your sig is too large as well and needs to be shrunk :)

[Bobby Gara]

Um, just MO in this......

But the force lighting would be all that great by Yashi's explination, it be the equilavent of a static shock, and if it were full blown Master/Lord level it'd most likey blow the un-trained user to itty-bitty pieces.....

But that's just my conclusion.

[Yasashii Mikan]

Got my sig shrunk Nav. Better?

[Navaria Tarkin]

:thumbup

[Oishii Sakana]

Here is my sig...I hope it fits...I didn;t make it, so I can;t help it's size....

(nervous laugh)

[Diego Van Derveld]

:thumbdown

Execute him! >D

[Master Yoghurt]

Oishii, that one is still too large. I will see if I can make a compressed version for you with no visible loss in quality.

[Master Yoghurt]

Would this work?

<img src=http://www.thegjo.com/users/oishii/weinew2.jpg>

[Diego Van Derveld]

:thumbup

[Oishii Sakana]

Ok. I had a friend make my sig for me, so I had no clue how big it was. Looks good, Yoghurt. Thanks. Now just oen question. How do I put it in so that I get the smaller one, not the larger one?

[Master Yoghurt]

Well, I changed it for you. Should be working now. :)

[Oishii Sakana]

Really? Thanks, Yog. So, do Yasahii and I pass the test? Are we fit to fly now?

[Master Yoghurt]

Yes, you should both be set :)

[Yasashii Mikan]

Thanks Yog.