Jonathan

[ReaperFett]

Get the riot teams in, Jon and Morg are at it :)


If anyone actually knows what the initials Morg said mean, can you say? I hate when people hide what theyre saying.

Jon was making valid points, and winning the debate, and then:


I will be one of the greatest film critics and film historians ever to walk this planet by the time I am finished, so I will let my actions speak for themselves. You, on the other hand, are not going anywhere in the film industry so who are you to level baseless accusations at me?
Ouch :)

[Lilaena De'Ville]

*stepped in* I hate to encroach on other mod's territory, but this wasn't really a constructive debate.

[ReaperFett]

Hey, np. All you did was talk :)

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Okies :)

[CMJ]

Yeah, thanks a bunch Holly.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Yeah good job, I wasn't around when that happened, hopefully Morgan won't respond, he could create a flaming war there. Hopefully he will learn from this but that may be mostly wishful thinking.

[JMK]

I was busy freaking out at work when all that went down. Thanks for covering our derrieres LD!

[Lilaena De'Ville]

;) Any time boys.. ;)

[ReaperFett]

I think we should consider closing that thread, or at least pruning it. jjwr has started picking on the fact he has a lot of money, and Sanis decides to insult the job he wants to do. If you did that to anyone else, you'd get an edit or deletion.

[Master Yoghurt]

I agree. The thread is not constructive in any form, and closing it would stop the flaming.

[ReaperFett]

TL, DR.
Does ANYONE know what that means?

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Morgan knows. :)

[ReaperFett]

heh


Im sure hes used that at me before now I think about it :)

[Jedi Master Carr]

I will go ahead and close it I think everybody has said enough, I am afraid Jon will come back and insult Sanis, JJWR or Jedieb. I think the point of the thread has been made, would you guys like me to move it here or would closing it be enough.

[Nupraptor]

Just close it, if you'd like. I just posted regarding Mulholland Dr. :)

[Jedi Master Carr]

Oh you said nothing wrong, I was afraid Jon posting again on that thread, hopefully that thread will go to the bottom fast.

[ReaperFett]

Oh, thats right, make a comment, THEN close it so I cant respond! :)



personally, I really think some people in that thread should get PMs about what they said.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I have already talked to jjwr. And Jedieb well he and Jon don't get a long because of what Jon said to him last year, and really Jedieb said nothing bad IMO. Anybody else well no comment.

[ReaperFett]

Eb didnt. Im looking more at Morg making (Im assuming) an insult, but using initials instead of just saying it, jjwr and Sanis to a lesser extent.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Morg I agree with it, jjwr is taken care of he said he got carried away. Sanis well I can't say more about that.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Oh no we need moderators for the moderators!

*calls in the admins to take care of their unruly underlings* :rolleyes

Good job over all, but you've got Dutchy up with a retort now.

[ReaperFett]

CLosed and PMs have been exchanged :)

[Jedi Master Carr]

I meant to tell you good job there Reaper, I noticed and was going to close it but you beat me to it :)

[ReaperFett]

Im good if thinking isnt required ;)

[JMK]

Geez, I go the gf's appartment for a couple days and there's all these thread closings! :p

[ReaperFett]

Want me to get someone to open one for you to close? :)

[JMK]

Nah, thanks for the offer though. :p

[ReaperFett]

Any time :)

[Sanis Prent]

Yes, sometimes late at night, I go to closed threads, open them, and close them...just for the thrill of it. The lights dim, while schoolchildren eerily sing in latin, in awe and subservience of my god-like power ;)

[ReaperFett]

lol! :lol

[ReaperFett]

Y'know, Im sure he was taking a break :)


Apparently, to make a film "Americanised" makes it good. Always good to see his openmindedness ;)

[Lilaena De'Ville]

*tries to set him straight*

Oh well.

[JMK]

Just give up. He's beyond our aid. Kinda like being stabbed with a Morgul blade.

[Nupraptor]

What on earth are you talking about?? America is the only country that can put out films worth watching, everyone knows that! We can also kick any other countries' rear! America rules, WHOOO!








;)

[Jedi Master Carr]

I knew he would say something stupid, sooner or later, I basically just ignored him there, that is probably the best thing to do until he starts calling people morons again.

[ReaperFett]

I part want to leave him, but part want him to continue and name a director is is actually not from the US or something :)

[Master Yoghurt]

What, there are directors outside the US? ;)

[JMK]

Ridley Scott is clearly American, don't you know.

[Taylor Millard]

I know I'm willing to ask if he ever saw 'Day of the Jackal' and recommend he see that.

Plus...did Jonathan like LOTR? Sure it has American Actors but Peter Jackson's New Zealand I believe.

[Master Yoghurt]

Yes, he loves LOTR. The thing is, he claims it is an American production. New Line is US owned

[Taylor Millard]

Yeah..but they just have the Distributing Rights...oh well I don't care really...I'll tell him to go rent 'Day of the Jackal' NOT 'The Jackal'

[JMK]

If the U.S. is somehow involved in a movie's production, according to Jon, it IS an American movie.
Lucas directs SW = American movie. Fine. Although they were all mainly filmed in England and Australia with English and British crews with alot of actors from said countries, I'll grant him that one for argument's sake.
Jackson directs LotR in New Zealand with mostly European & British actors, BUT New Line is American = American movie?
WTF???

[ReaperFett]

Just remind him who made Jaws 3 ;)

[Lilaena De'Ville]

*stabs Jon with a spork*

[JMK]

Why a spork?

[ReaperFett]

because theyre blunter than a fork? :)

[Lilaena De'Ville]

It fits my mood. Quirky, yet still willing to kill. ;) Hey, its less time consuming than stabbing him to death with a tack.

[CMJ]

You guys are very entertaining. :D

[Jedi Master Carr]

Its wierd in one thread Jon is entertaining, in the other he is annoying what is going on with that.

[ReaperFett]

He is our own Harvey Dent :)

[Taylor Millard]

Which one? The Batman the Animated Series one or the 'Batman FOrever' one?

[ReaperFett]

Film, and TOmmy Lee Jones not Billy Dee ;)

[Nupraptor]

If anyone actually knows what the initials Morg said mean, can you say? I hate when people hide what theyre saying.TL, DR = Too Long, Didn't Read. :)

[Lilaena De'Ville]

ah HA!

[ReaperFett]

Ahhhh. Being as I've seen it used on me and Jon, I thought it was an insult :)

[CMJ]

Dutchy just unloaded one of the all-time great barbs at Jonathan...

[ReaperFett]

Technically, unloading a barb is trolling.

[Nupraptor]

Trolling is posting for no other reason than to get a reaction, start an argument, or insult someone needlessly. Posting a topical response, flamebait though it may be, doesn't quite fall into that category.

[JMK]

It's not trolling if its true! I thought that was perfect!

[Nupraptor]

Just read the post. Not nearly as bad as I thought. I doubt Jonathan with even get it.

[CMJ]

Kyle, I thought it was perfect too....but it could quickly go south.

I hope Jonathan is the bigger man and doesn't snap back.

Who am I kidding?

[ReaperFett]

Im sure youd be laughing if Jon said it about Dutchy

[CMJ]

I can't seem to recall Dutchy ever stating his opinion as a fact.

[ReaperFett]

You get my point

[Nupraptor]

No, I don't get your point. You see, if Jon said it to Dutchy, it would just make him look like a fool, since he's the one who does that frequently and Dutchy does not.

We wouldn't laugh because Dutchy doesn't do that.

[JMK]

Jon is taking offense to something that he does ROUTINELY, almost on a daily basis here. For someone to call him on it the way Dutchy did was terrific. I would almost go as far as to say that it was called for. I doubt Jon will understand the reality of it, and I fully expect him to say something.

[ReaperFett]

Silly me, I forgot. It is the normal posters job to mock others.


I thought the idea of being a Mod was to MODERATE? You know very well Jon could snap at that, CMJ even said that. But we dont do anything. And that comment was there with the SOLE purpose of to get a reaction. Why else say it?

And as Jon pointed out, he didnt even state things as a fact. So all the post now was is an assault on Jon.

[Nupraptor]

I thought the idea of being a Mod was to MODERATE?I leave the decision up to the BO mods - it's their call.
And that comment was there with the SOLE purpose of to get a reaction. Why else say it?
Jon is taking offense to something that he does ROUTINELY, almost on a daily basis here. For someone to call him on it the way Dutchy did was terrific.It's something Jon does all the time, and Dutchy was calling him on it.

[ReaperFett]

But being as it wasnt even relevent to the quote, is that right? There's at least one person here who I see as a miserable git who seems to only stay here to bitch at people, can I go and tell him that at random in a thread?

[Nupraptor]

A) Dutchy is not a mod, and so does not have to hold up the same standards as you or I.

B) Are we talking about just you thinking a person is a miserable git, or nearly an entire forum? Jon is a bit of a special case in that he's been causing trouble and upsetting everyone in the forum nearly since he registered his account. The fact that this thread exists proves that.

Was Dutchy's comment out of line? I don't see a huge problem with it. If it wasn't true, then it would be trolling and I might step in. As it is: If the BO Moderators don't feel it needs to be edited, then I'm not going to contradict them. Likewise, if they do, I won't stop them. They're there for a reason and they can make decision calls on their own.

[ReaperFett]

A) Well, I was using me as an example, but consider any person :)

B) I wouldnt say nearly an entire forum, but I know of others :)



Was Dutchy's comment out of line? I don't see a huge problem with it. If it wasn't true, then it would be trolling and I might step in. As it is: If the BO Moderators don't feel it needs to be edited, then I'm not going to contradict them. Likewise, if they do, I won't stop them. They're there for a reason and they can make decision calls on their own.
Well, I count this as being outvoted, so I wont touch it.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Two points, Personally I didn't have a problem with it because Jon probably deserved, second the thread is now dead, I responded to it, talking about tolerance and everybody went a way or I entered the debate too late, either one.

[Sanis Prent]

Obviously, I'm now a fool with zero understanding of the action genre, obviously ;)

[JMK]

And if you don't like the trailer, you're obviously a fool too.

This could escalate...

[Shawn]

Well, Jonathan once accused me of not being a "real" Star Wars fan. ;)

[JMK]

Well quite frankly if you don't carry a Star Wars avatar, you don't belong here, administrator or not. This is a Star Wars forum, and if you do not kneel to it's greatness and recognize it as being the greatest series of movies EVER, then you're a fool and not a real fan, and obviously have no taste in film whatsoever, lol.

[JMK]

Sorry, I had to say something this time.

See post #14 (http://www.swforums.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=442184)

[Jedi Master Carr]

JMK, thanks I am glad you said, I wanted to but let it slide. Jon really got me mad, he basically said I was idiot for not wanting to see, I try to telling him its not interesting to me but he seems to think I am stupid for not finding interesting. Also I am shocked he liked I thought for sure he would hate it, I know he disliked 2001, right? And 2001, is a similar slow sci-fi film. Also he has dished half the independent films that he sees and he likes this movie which George Clooney has even bashed, something is going on here.

[Taylor Millard]

You know I could care less about being PC on stuff and everyting but sometimes Jon needs to remember he doesn't have a Talk Show (that's my job :D).

This is in response to his comments on 'Drumline'. As my honor as a drummer...I had to defend it. :lol

Even if I havent' seen it yet. :lol

[CMJ]

Man he had few big time rants in that thread....

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I added a tiny one of my own. He'll probably insult my intelligence again.

[CMJ]

There's very few people he DOESN'T insult Holly. ;)

[Jedi Master Carr]

I see he hasn't changed since his little break, any ideas on what to do, at least other posters are calling him down for it.

[Taylor Millard]

Let him spout. Once he realizes that you can't go nuts like that when he does his film critiques he'll calm down.

Or get burned for it.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Well now he is becoming a sexist, he basically said all women should stay home or some crap, he is really getting on my nerves, I wanted to say more but kind of held my tongue and didn't say as much as I wanted to. He kinda of apologized in the Drumline thread. I still don't unerstand what he is was talking about the gay rape thing? Was that in the movie or something?

[CMJ]

Man, what a piece of work he is....

[JMK]

By now I think it's obvious that he is going to say what he wants, when he wants to say it, and its even more obvious that he is NOT going to think twice about what he's saying. The only thing that will EVER stop him is to get rid of him. Not even a self-imposed ban helped.

[Jedi Master Carr]

yeah suspending him wouldn't do any good. So the question should we ban him? I am really in favor of it now, he really gets me mad, its okay for him to insult me (the Solaris thread) or women, in general or Lebron or whoever but its not okay to insult the god of Critics, whatever. As you can see he has really got me mad.

[JMK]

I think if anything were to happen, I think we'd have to suspend him first. At this point I find it even hard to care. I'd go along with anything as long as we decided that something will be done this time.

[Shawn]

Well, I do think that a suspension was what was tried before, but it was handled in a little more friendly manner by "asking" him to "take a break". Or somesuch.

[JMK]

IIRC, he volunteered to take a break before Hollie could PM him his temporary suspension message. His self-imposed break lasted little more than a few hours. It actually seemed for a few days that he was going to come around, but he's back to his old self again.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I know and arrogant as ever. I have no clue what to do I am waiting for him to be rude to somebody again. If he is rude what should are course of action be?

[CMJ]

We should dust off Holly's PM that she didn't send. :p

[Jedi Master Carr]

That will work :) He was a little rude to me in the Box office thread I made a response and I am not sure how he will take. Holly might have to send that PM later tonight ;)

[Lilaena De'Ville]

If you want me to send the PM, then find it, update it with relevant links, etc, and I'll send it out before I leave work if I can. If I don't post back saying I have (if you want me to do it) then someone else will have to send it, as I'm only online on my breaks at work. :cry

[Jedi Master Carr]

I will wait for his next major outburst, that remark to Loki though made me mad, in the BTTF. And he didn't seem to like it either. Their is no reason to insult people.

[Taylor Millard]

OOOO Five points for Loki...whatta come back.

That British Wit is going strong there. :)

[ReaperFett]

I dont see how insulting him back is a good come back

[Shawn]

Fett, you are absolutely incorrigible sometimes. Loki asked a question, Jon insults him without provocation, and Loki tossed a comeback at him which pointed out that Jon's post had no point whatsoever.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I agree it was a good comeback and it wasn't a complete insult he acted like he could have said more. Hey Jon has been insulting me and several others lately and I have tried to remain calm about it, but it might get me mad if he keeps doing it, we might need to send out that PM.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Two wrongs don't make a right, Fett, but you aren't perfect either, and I don't think Loki was wrong in posting a comeback.

[Jedi Master Carr]

There was no need for that comment by Jon, he only said it because of his HP avatar and that was just wrong.

[JMK]

Why should people have to put up with his insults? That was totally uncalled for, and Jon doing something like that, COMPLETELY out of the blue just goes to prove once again that he's more of a nuisance than a contributor.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Pm time?

[ReaperFett]

Fett, but you aren't perfect either
You noticed? :)


But I bet had Jon said what Loki said, it'd be here.


One thing. If we banned Jon, what would Dutchy do with his time? :)

[Jedi Master Carr]

LOL Reaper, and as far as what Jon, Jon would have been worse, if somebody came on here and said Star Wars was awful, Jon would be calling the person a moron or some line like that. And as far as Pming, well this happend a couple of days ago so it might be a little late, we could wait until he makes another rude comment, and knowing Jon that could be very soon.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

ReaperFett, if Loki had outright insulted Jonathan and he had a witty comeback, I think we'd be happy he was able to defend himself. I would at least.

You keep acting like all we want to do is ban him and point out everything that is wrong with him. I see no evidence of that. When something is disturbing the members of the board and it is recorded here for evidence or for discussion, there is nothing wrong with that.

I do not think we are out to get him. If we were, he'd be gone already. I don't know if you're just trying to playa Devils Advocate or just plain trying to put speed bumps in the way of justice ;) but...argh!

[ReaperFett]

Did someone throw a knife at you at the end?:)

[JMK]

You're right on Hollie. I can't count the number of times I've wanted to get rid of him just because it was only a matter of time before he would do something. I'm not out to get him, but like I've said before, who else here has a thread of over 350 posts dedicated solely to their delinquency?

[CMJ]

That is great Kyle!:lol

[ReaperFett]

Well, Chase's is going strong :)

[Sanis Prent]

Grease up the skillet, and put the fire under his <smallfont color={hovercolor}>-Censored-</smallfont>. He's officially made me mad.

[JMK]

Is anyone here a student of psychology? He needs to be laid out on a couch and picked at for days.

I just *love* how he bangs on everyone who doesn't find a trailer as appealing and earth shattering as he does. I also *love* how he allots movies a certain number of stars and pretends they are factual figures because he said so.

If he didn't have a sister I would say that he's so bull-headed from being an only child, but apparently that's no good, so I can't figure it out.

[Taylor Millard]

I know a few people he coudl talk to. I've taken a few classes myself but I can let then psychoanalyze him.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Or how about a movie, I remember I said that I didn't think Solaris looked that good, he about ripped me to shredds, it got me really mad. I would love to get rid of him, but I am hoping he does something for us to do it.

[ReaperFett]

My problem with banning him is this. I just saw a few threads in there. And I quote:


You're missing the point of a trailer then, Captain Limitless Funds


Z is the average amount of disposable income available to your average working joe (ie. not you)

Point 1: If Jon started making comments like that about people without much money, people would complain.



Jon, you need an enema of the brain.

Jon duzn't know fun if it bit him in the bum.

Therefore:
http://www.casalecustomsbroker.com/misc/jail.jpg
Both criticising his opinions.


Now, they might not be so extreme, but that's still just what he's doing in my mind. Stop people doing that, and THEN you have a case for banning Jon, IMO

[JMK]

The big complication is that this has gone on for so long how hard would it be to keep people from getting on him? I agree that those types of comments don't help at all (as funny as they may be) but Jon is reaping what he's sowed. :\

[Jedi Master Carr]

Well its not me, I bit my tongue when he chastized me that time, but there are other, and a certain moderater that are doing it. But I agree with JMK it is Jon that is caused all of these comments, people get tired of him and then they come back at him, there has been a few threads where it got bad, if it happens again one of us would need to step in and tell both of them to stop it.

[Sanis Prent]

I've bit my tongue to the point of needing stitches. If I make comments, its because I've lost hull integrity of the mouth, and it can't be helped anymore. The jackass deserves it, and I've spared him the rod far more than whatever leeway he deserves.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Well I admit there has been times that he pissed me off where I wanted to say something but didn't that is just the way I am. I don't want a flame war because of me. Also it wasn't you I was saying stepping in, I was speaking about the incident with Morgan he and Jon have gotten into it a few times here. JJWR doesn't like him either and has said a few things. What I am waiting for him to do is explode on some member, if me or whoever than we can act.

[Shawn]

But I agree with JMK it is Jon that is caused all of these comments, people get tired of him and then they come back at him^ Ditto.

If people have made nasty posts to him, it's hardly ever without reason. He just generally pisses everyone off.

If you look back in this thread, you'll see that I was initially in favor of trying to "straighten him out". I thought that maybe a stern warning would be enough to make him realize what he's doing is aggravating other posters. But it's obviously not.

[ReaperFett]

But what Im saying is that two wrongs dont make a right. So next time, say, Morg insults me, I can go Guns of Navvarone on him?

[JMK]

Bad comparison. Your reputation is not aggravation and pissing others off. Well, not like Jon anyway. ;)

Out of all the 2000+ posts he's made here, a significant percentage is probably of the flaming/arrogant/argumentative fashion. People automatically sharpen their claws when they know Jon has posted because there's a good chance that he's insulted someone...again. IMO, he deserves what he's getting because he's got no one to blame but himself.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I wish I had more time online :(

Firstly: Jonathan HAS made comments about people being poor. Check the roommate thread for an instance of that. Oh, I'm sorry that living with another person in the same room is substandard living. I dont' see HIM shelling out the money to rescue all the people in the world from that horrible fate.

Ugh.

He makes me sick.

[ReaperFett]

Bad comparison. Your reputation is not aggravation and pissing others off.
Maybe Im just subtle ;)

[JMK]

At least you show a little tact. He's just a pig-headed elitist.

I agree with you Hollie, his crap about "poorness" is just disgusting. Not everybody has millionnaire parents and mansions with names like "Everlasting Oaks" or whatever his is called. Also his opinion on "being your own boss" and becoming a zillionnaire or you're a failure is totally over-the-top offensive as well.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Read his crap about US is center of the World, I would love to attack his opinions but I don't have the time and I don't want to start a flame war with him.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Ok, maybe I'm alone in this, but I think the Jon bashing in the Nemesis thread has gone on long enough. I dunno who Princess Sunflower is, but she only has ten posts, and I don't think her 'contributions' are....constructive. Well, either are Jedieb's. He's making me bust a gut, however.

[ReaperFett]

But how can we say anything to Sunflower? Everyone else is doing it, all she's doing is following suit.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Who is this Sunflower? She/He seems to know a lot about Jon's activities he/she an alias of a mod or an alias of another member?

[ReaperFett]

Her IP is just hers

[Jedi Master Carr]

I guess not then, maybe she just lurks a lot here, not sure if she is just a lurker or a troll, have to see if she makes any other posts.

[JMK]

I'm sorry, but I'm fed up with him telling others whether or not they are "true" fans because they don't blindly believe that the SW movies are the greatest things ever created. I just want to know why he thinks he is qualified to make those claims.

[ReaperFett]

Yes, and then you get everyone else in on it, and you get people like Princess, who are obviously gagging fora fight, joining in.

[JMK]

Well I think he owes everyone an explanation. Maybe if he backed himself up once in awhile, especially on why he thinks he's such an authority on who is a fan and who isn't, then people would lay off. Fact is, NO ONE is an authority on that.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I was surprised that CMJ told off Dutchy, sort off, though I do admit Dutchy only has been coming here to rag Jon of late. I kind of told everybody to stop it in the Star Trek Thread down there if it keeps up I might just close the thread. The best thing to do I think is tell everybody to stop bickering. I finally agree with you Reaper here because now people are starting to flame Jon (that Princess character) and it is not something we should be allowing, IMO. Let Jon do himself in we don't need other posters to help us because they are just being as bad as him.

[JMK]

I guess I should have pm'ed Jon about his classification of fans. I still think it takes a truckload of nerve to tell someone at a Star Wars fan forum that they aren't a real fan if they don't share the same opinion on a movie as he does. I'd still like to hear why he thinks he can do that though, but I won't push it any further.

[CMJ]

Sorry...it's just Dutchy hasn't contributed anything other than bash Jonathan stuff for months now. Hey remember...I'm not a big fan of Mr. Bowen either, but if he's(speaking of Dutchy) gonna rag on him(speaking of Jonathan) so badly..at least contribute something else to our community.

[JMK]

I've been pm'ing him all day (Dutchy). I think I got him to cool off with regards to jumping on every single one of Jon's posts. I said that he could disagree if he chooses, and debate it, but it's preferrable not to start an argument on purpose, or throw things back in Jon's face.

[Jedi Master Carr]

That is what I did JMK I told Dutchy to just debate him still he hasn't said as much as some people :rolleyes Won't say names, some of the posters do it to rag him on (not Jedieb as I think he is just being sarcastic).

[JMK]

Jedieb means what he says about Jon, and could care less whether or not Jon answers. When he says dumb things, he's going to comment on it, guaranteed. If Jon leaves it alone, then eventually people will stop. But ideally, Jon has got to stop saying ridiculous things.

[Jedi Master Carr]

It seems most of the time it flies over Jon's head because he never hardly answers him.

[CMJ]

1/8/03 "JLB wouldn't know a real woman if she handed him a rubber." Jedi Master Kyle

Relayed over an IM convo. Too hysterically funny...I laughed for a good 10 minutes. :lol

[ReaperFett]

Got a problem with someone not knowing a real woman?








:)
But be gentle. He has more chance than me :)

[JMK]

Glad to be of service. :D

[CMJ]

Reaper..it wasn't being critical of that aspect of Mr. Bowen. We were just in a ripping Jonathan mode.

Don't complain...it was a private chat. ;)

[ReaperFett]

but it rips me! IT RIPS MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!





:)

[JMK]

We can make up some lines especially for you if you'd like. We will be gentle if that's what you want. :p

[ReaperFett]

I dont want gentle. Give it to me straght :)

[JMK]

Dang. You called my bluff. I'll have to think of something. :\

[ReaperFett]

Be brutal :)

[Sanis Prent]

God, somebody give me an asprin. I'm gonna start calling headaches "Jons"

[CMJ]

:lol The first half of that post was pretty obtuse. The second was actually damn intersting I thought.

It's hard to believe, but 3+ years ago the kid was worse(IMHO).

[Sanis Prent]

Very true. I was there :)

[Jedi Master Carr]

Exactly which post are you guys talking about he has so many rants going I have lost count :p

[ReaperFett]

The War one I think.

[JMK]

He still may sound like an idiot at times, but at least now he's seemed to cool it with insulting everyone. A couple of his posts (aka novels) have been worth the hours to read.

[Jedi Master Carr]

LOL yeah, he doesn't insult as much just rant, like that basketball thread he just insulted my team not me :p I don't have a problem with that I insult certain teams all the time :p

[JMK]

Some teams need to be insulted. Like the Bengals and Jailblazers.

[CMJ]

Man, Bowen is on the edge today...

[Jedi Master Carr]

I noticed in that BAFTA thread I guess that Raider lost really got him upset :p

[JMK]

Is he so blinded by the SW light that he can't tell the difference between Gollum & Jar Jar? :rolleyes

I haven't been around much since last week so I don't really have a good grip on what's going on in there...

[ReaperFett]

Ah switch the roles and you get Marcus. We need to get the two to slug it out over CGI :)

[Jedi Master Carr]

LOL that would be funny, I honestly can't tell the difference they both look good to me.

[ReaperFett]

Carr, Jon and Marcus arent CGI, they just talk about it ;)

[Jedi Master Carr]

LOL that came out wrong, I was referring to Gollum and Jar Jar.

[ReaperFett]

Okay :)



Although, Jon being CGI WOULD explain a lot..................;)

[JMK]

It would explain why Jon seems to have so many sides to his personality. You know these CG characters with their 12 animators or so all with input into the character...

[ReaperFett]

his name is the first letter of all their surnames ;)

[Shawn]

http://www.swforums.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=481443#post481443

This amount to racism, IMO.

No, I have not read the entire thread. But this apparently irked someone enough that it was brought to my attention.

[Sanis Prent]

I disagree about racism allegations. The French aren't a race. Its just ignorant, ultra-right rhetoric that inflames easily.

[ReaperFett]

French are a race, hence is racism.


Having said that though, I'm getting sick of Marcus' attitude. He's insults people worse than Jon, he makes his opinions be told like fact and he does that annoying thing of making a reply that just bashes a person rather than contributing. And there was him saying Beaver :)

[JMK]

French is a culture and a language, not a race. Caucasian, oriental, those are races IMO, but what Jon said amounts basically to racism. They are despicable comments.

[Jedi Master Carr]

He isn't the only one what about Hadrian Invicta
I saw his crap last night but was too tired to do anything about it, some of his remarks were very bad, of course he edit the worse stuff now. I am not sure about Marcus, he obvisolly feels he was insulted. Also who is this Senator guy? Is he a an allias for another mod? I ask because he keeps warning people.

[ReaperFett]

He is.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Well that is okay but I wish he would go into mod mode before warning people, warning people as a regular poster to me just doesn't work people have no clue who it and will just ignore it.

[Sanis Prent]

Well, only because Marcus knew who I was. The computer I was on last night was a terribly slow dialup machine. Switching accounts would likely have taken 10 minutes.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Well I didn't know that I was just wondering who it was but since Marcus knew who you were its no big deal.

[JMK]

Well I agree with both sides on that issue.
I get that it's a pain in the rear to continually swap accounts, but for the sake of "running a tight ship" I think it would be better if everyone saw mod-like remarks coming from a mod, but whatever, this topic doesn't even need to be spoken about, that's just my 2 cents.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I agree. *adds her 2 cents*

When possible.

[Shawn]

Is anything ever going to be done about JLB? :p

[ReaperFett]

We need to give the Jon inspectors more time to find Idiotic Comments of Mass Distraction ;)

[Lilaena De'Ville]

*shoves them into another room* Ok now you can come in and inspect.

I wrote a letter to be sent to him, but it was never used. :cry

:p

[ReaperFett]

Send it anyway ;)

[Sanis Prent]

I must object. Where's the proof that he offends people! I see no proof!

(cashes check from JLB Media under the table :mischief)

WHERE'S THE PROOF!

[Jedi Master Carr]

LOL, problem is most of the time he doesn't offend anybody really I would rather him hang himself at this point, we can just ban him or suspend when he hasn't done anything.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

we can just ban him or suspend when he hasn't done anything.

We can? Awwwwesome! ;)

[CMJ]

He's been fairly low key lately. I was all for banning him about 6-7 months ago. You guys lost your chance. ;)

[Jedi Master Carr]

whoops I mean't can't sorry to burst your enthuasism, LD :p

[Lilaena De'Ville]

:(





;)

[CMJ]

And he slams public Universities. I'm rather mad at his tone in that post. In fact "rather" is an understatement.

[Sanis Prent]

I'm tempted to tell him exactly what I think of his future degree in "film science" or whatever, and exactly how it will correlate to how well he operates the fry vat at Micky D's.

[CMJ]

Don't totally slam Film majors(I was one). ;) But he'll be working for his dad within 5-10 years.

Ask Kyle, I'm PISSED.

[JMK]

I can vouch. Court's pissed with a capital P. And why not? If that's not the mind set of the world's largest elitist, then what is?

[Sanis Prent]

In a year, I'll have a finance degree from one of the top five business schools in the nation. I don't care if Jon gets a private school degree in "Gold bullion sniffing", I'll still look down my nose at him :mneh

[CMJ]

:lol Hopefully you won't look down at me TOO much.

I'll look down my nose at Jonathan as long as he puts up his 7 foot tall shield. The kid must be the most insecure person I've ever met, because I remain convinced the majority of his crap comes from an inferiority complex.

He's just TRYING to mask it with his superiority crap.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I agre with you CMJ that was awful what he said, that was one of the worst post, he acts like you have to be lazy to go to school. I like to tell him don't and try to find a job, of course he has got his rich daddy, well if his daddy lost all of his money next week where would he be?

[Sanis Prent]

More power to us state university guys who pay our way through our education :)

[CMJ]

Oh hell yes. My folks helped out some, but I had to work my way through college. I think you appreciate it more when you have to.

I sure as heck didn't like wasting 300 bucks for a class I didn't do well in. :p

[JMK]

Everything seems to fall in that kid's lap. And if it doesn't suit him, he bashes it. Remember the thread about bars and partying?

[CMJ]

He's had all sorts of winners. :p

[Jedi Master Carr]

He is being a problem in a two seperate threads in one of them he is getting really offensive he said some really bad things, IMO and I put a warning on the thread, hopefully he will shut his mouth.

[ReaperFett]

I dont think what he said was THAT bad. I would like to point out though that if Marcus tells us what to do again, Ill remind him we can think for ourselves :)

[Sanis Prent]

ZING! Point for Fett.

[ReaperFett]

Is that a good point or a bad one?

[JMK]

Good point IMO. That being said, I don't think Marcus was telling us what to do more than he was trying to get our attention.

[Sanis Prent]

It was a good point, Fett

[Jedi Master Carr]

More people are getting tired of him, Jinn PM me complaining about him. Figirin complained about what was going on in that thread as well. I am keeping that warning on there though nothing has happened since, I really didn't like it the way Jon said I was off topic with my warning, he is really pushing me too far there.

[imported_Eve]

I caught some complaints about him last night. I read the threads and was offended myself.

I can't believe you all have been stewing over this since July.


***** Lemme talk to him. *****

Maybe this is just my personal way, but why walk on egg-shells for him? He doesn't for you.

The rules specifically say, "... you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws."

According to Jon, I'm not good enough to be president because I bleed every month and can't control my mood swings. Last week I was a dumb jock. Usually I can't possibly know what I am talking about when it comes to movies. This is small in the insults he's dealt to many people. None were specifically targeted to me.

I'd say that's pretty hateful, sometimes vulgar, and that first one was sexually oriented.

This is clear cut to me.

He has his right to opinion, but he has a problem with constructive conversation. His posts incite negtivity to the T, and negativity isn't something the staff condones.

I can type up something and show you all later?

[CMJ]

Go ahead, I'm interested with what you come up with.

[ReaperFett]

Thanks Sanis :)



Can I point out one thing about that thread about the kidnapped kid though? He DID say that was good news. Note how few others did, and went in JUST to bash him. If we're going to get tougher on Jon, can we get tougher on that too please?



Oh, and irony alert:

In Usenet usage, a "troll" is not a grumpy monster that lives beneath a bridge accosting passers-by, but rather a provocative posting to a newsgroup intended to produce a large volume of frivolous responses.
Poster by Marcus, who if you check back posted in the Elektra thread that a spinoff is the worst idea ever, despite NEVER showing any indication that he had ever even read about Elektra. Jeez, I should pay Steve Buscemi to modify his "Define irony" quote :)

[imported_Eve]

I thought someone posted something once on peeps being sensitive? Had something to do with Wei Wu Wei, I think. Some thread where someone made a comment and he went on about attacking his emotional problems.

Is that right?

I was searching for rules and regs. I only found that brief statement (I quoted above) on the terms when registering. Do we have this stuff somewhere else? I looked. I thought I found something elsewhere before.

[Taylor Millard]

I made a comment about Emotional vs COntent and that thread kinda spun outta control.

:rolleyes at the 'Emotional vs Content thread'

Don't remind me of it.

[TheHolo.Net]

I think there is something about it in the SWFans.Net General FAQ topic in the FAQ forum.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I think that is a good idea, Eve. Having somebody else talk to him, I think is a good idea, I get tired of his crap, really. I am afraid he is going to push posters away, if he hasn't already. Too other forums have banned him too, CC.net and theforce.net, if acts like this over there I am not surprised.

[Shawn]

Note how few others did, and went in JUST to bash him. If we're going to get tougher on Jon, can we get tougher on that too please?Let me clarify: A "troll" is someone who posts just to get a reaction; to garner negative responses. That's exactly what Jon does. The fact that he does get reactions only justifies the fact that he IS a troll.

[CMJ]

Well IMHO Jonathan doesn't post to get a negative reaction...he just gets a negative reaction. Personally I think he's amazed that his posts stir up all this emotion.

Of course that calls into question his intelligence, but that's another subject. ;)

[ReaperFett]

he posts to get negative reactions either. He just has strong opinions. And my point about the others is this. Why do threads get warnings? It isnt because of what Jon says. It is what Jon says, and then what the basher says, and then Jon defending himself, and then....

Basically, what I'm saying is that they're as much to blame for a thread getting warned/closed.


Here's an example of people needing to learn to settle down. A person I wont name IMed me, asking if they could get in trouble for sending a harsh PM to Jon. I cant remember my exact words, but I basically said yes, thatd be bad, and that is harassment were they to complain (Ironically, said person replied with "Oh yeah, he would whine", as if sending a PM to them is staying calm :)). And the basic end was "I'll ask Ogre". Basically, I told them dont do it, they went for another answer (Or, were going to). Now Im sorry, but when you ask a Mod and he says no, surely that means..........NO!

[Shawn]

Well, I do have to agree with one thing... once a Mod says "no", it's "No". You shouldn't seek a second view.

But, IMHO, pretty much anything can be said over PM.

And my point was: If Jon gets negative reactions, it's his own fault. He's the one stirring the cauldron... other people just happen to bubble in response.

(sorry if that was a poor analogy, and if my spelling is a bit off.....)

[JMK]

His reputation is such that people are now attracted to all of his posts and will look for, and eventually find something inflammatory to bang on him about. He's brought this about himself. No one else gets this treatment because no one draws attention to himself in such a negative way like JLB.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Actually I put the warning on that thread because of Jon he was the one being offensive people were mad at what he was saying and they had every right to be nobody was really bashing him, not like in other threads. I don't know I am getting so sick of Jon that I would like to ban him but I am willing to let somebody talk to him first.

[TheHolo.Net]

Originally posted by Jedi Master Carr
.... Two other forums have banned him too, CC.net and theforce.net, if acts like this over there I am not surprised. If that is really true then there must really be something about him, unlike what Fett seems to be arguing.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I don't know the reason for his banning at CC.net, could ask Darth or Mu, but at theforce.net he claims it was because of some joke he made. Have no clue if that is true or not.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Good grief can't we use the PM I wrote up already?!

;)

The timing is never right. :p Eve, I'd be interested to see what you come up with. :)

[JMK]

May I once again point to the fact that we now have a thread that is creeping up on 500 posts about someone who may or may not be trouble? I think those 500 posts are pretty indicative of what his status is.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Ok next time just ban him and email him the reason.

:D

[ReaperFett]

If that is really true then there must really be something about him, unlike what Fett seems to be arguing.
Nice to see you see my opions so highly.

[TheHolo.Net]

Don't read more into it than what is said.

[Jedi Master Carr]

LOL Kyle I know this is a lot of posts from one person. Jon is not a very liked person on this board it is because he offends most of the posters with his jokes and scarcastic remarks. To me this is a problem, the best thing to do is let Eve talk to him. Maybe somebody who doesn't know him very well can talk some sense into him. If not I am not sure what the next step should maybe LD's PM?

[JMK]

Jon says:
"Jon that is not funny"

Of COURSE it's funny! Don't be a PC bore dude, jesus christ. That joke is a classic.

The French suck. Put it on record -- I HATE FRENCH PEOPLE. They are a bunch of cowardly pieces of crap who cower behind their sickening politics and can't be bothered to do what is right. I hate France, I hate the French, they are the worst allies imaginable and not allies at all.

*spits on the French*

My criticism only does not apply to the VERY few French people who go against their society and government and know what is right. Also, my criticism doesn't apply to French filmmakers from the French New Wave because they all admitted American movies were better than French ones and set out to change that by making quality films. The French New Wave directors are awesome. As for the rest of the French people -- WORTHLESS

Eve pointed out:

The rules specifically say, "... you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws." He specifically said that he HATES the french.

Do we need any more ammo to ban him? Can someone here please give me a good explanation as to why that's tolerated? Is there any reason why or how he can get away with that? If that wasn't the most hateful post ever, it's right up there. Does he get away with that because no one here is from France and hasn't specifically taken offense?? No wait, 2 of us already have. Layton has taken offence to it, he's 60% french. I'm as comfortable speaking french as I am english. I'm pretty freaking offended. Even if I didn't speak french, or grow up in a french culture, that's an utterly reprehensible post by someone equally as "cowardly". I hope something can be done this time. I'm pretty much in favor of an all-out banning right now.

[imported_Eve]

I'm working on my post/PM to him. I'm brain dead the past couple days (and today I'm just plain hung-over).

I will show you all though. I'll either get it today or tomorrow.

________________________________

I don't think he needs to be banned. However, I don't know the history of the staff's dealings with him. It would be useful to know this when dealing with him now.

Have y'all ever PMed him before. I couldn't tell whether you had just thought about it, or had actually done it.

What's his rap sheet look like?

[ReaperFett]

He specifically said that he HATES the french.
How's that different to Charley?

[Shawn]

Well, this thread is bordering on 500 posts... pretty big rap sheet, if you ask me.

[JMK]

A couple mods have pm'ed him, and basically he's never really accepted any responsibility for what he's said. He usually says we missed the joke, or that someone attacked him first. His rap sheet is pretty long. Take a look at the beginning of this thread. That will give you a good idea.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

(and today I'm just plain hung-over)

Poor girl :(

:)

Jonathan is a donkey. If only we could ban people for being asses.

[ReaperFett]

Only if I choose who is one of them :)

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Oops I set off the censor...:o Sorry wasn't thinking, obviously :cry

[ReaperFett]

It's better now, we have an image of Jon going "EEEEEEEEEEEEE-AWWWWWWW!!!" ;)

[Jedi Master Carr]

LOL Reaper. Well I was offended, but I don't know if we should ban him over that, because that might set a bad precident. Lebron basically said that he hated though for a different reason (Jon really didn't give one or at least one I can't accept) also the way French bashing is now, we might catch some flack for it. I would rather have Eve send that PM first it would be a good first step. If he keeps up his offensive jokes though we need to either suspend him or ban him.

[JMK]

I still haven't heard a good reason as to why he was able to post something so hateful if that is so against the rules. Sure it can be funny to poke jokes at the French for bending over and taking it from the Germans, or make jokes at their gov't, but did he have to say that every person that is from France aside from 'new wave' directors were "worthless"? If someone of another nationality came in and bashed America for policing the Earth I'm sure something would be done. Or at least paid some attention to.

[imported_Eve]

Alright, this is what I have. Please make corrections asap so we can deliver some notice to him today. In my industry, we usually give people something called a "Demand for Compliance or Possession" when they violate community standards. Hence, they comply (with the standards), or they deliver us Possession of the service we provide.

They get a certain time to cure their violation. If they then violate standards again, they go bye-bye.

I applied the same rules here. Jon complies, or leaves.

3-16-03

RE: Notice to Ban

Hello Jonathan,

We have received several complaints regarding the manner in which you present your opinions in your posts. While each person is entitled to their opinion; opinions are just that: an opinion. You generally seem to state your opinions as fact, become hateful, harassing, and disrespectful to those who disagree with you. This kind of behavior doesn't promote a positive atmosphere. You have so many people loathing reading your posts, that they have started avoiding the BO forum, your posts, and more importantly, this board. This staff can not allow it's members to be alienated in this way.

You can not deny that several members have commented to you on your rash and rude remarks, whereas you usually shift your original meaning to become something less threatening or hateful. However you explain yourself or deviate from your primary intentions, your initial posts invoke resentment from posters, and leave an impact.

The terms of use to SWForums.Net specifically say, "... you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws."

You have violated this term of use on several ocassions.

You have also been previously warned about the same issues by the staff. The staff is in full agreement that your manner is a problem, and you have done nothing to cure your manner and negativity, despite previous warnings to do so by us and other posters. If things continue, SWForums may lose valuable posters either by your manner, or by our lack of action against you.

Thus, this is your final warning: If you can not contribute to this community in a postive way, this staff will have no other choice than to ban you.

We suggest you have tact when posting. Perhaps you should walk away from threads, for at least 24 hours, that involve tense or political issues, or statements involving posters who may not share your opinion on a film. This may help alleive rash and shallow posts (on your part) that have a potential to offend other posters. Also, this may help you to not feel so threatened by a difference in opinion that you choose to belittle other people.

Please consider our suggestions to remedy the problem, as this issue is very serious and needs to be solved immediately. The problem will cease either by your compliance with community standards, or by your membership to this community being cancelled permanently. We leave the choice to you.

If you have any questions, please feel free to PM me, and I can respond on behalf of the SWForums staff.


Thank you.
- SWForums Staff

[ReaperFett]

I think it's good, but I think it needs a name otherwise from "Notice to ban"

[TheHolo.Net]

I'm good with it.

[Taylor Millard]

I got no problem with it. Worded very well.

[CMJ]

Man that's gonna incite him something fierce though.

[imported_Eve]

Well the way I see it, he does it to people every day.

If you're going to lay down a warning, you better be serious, specific, and stern. Otherwise, he keeps going, just like he did after you talked to him nicely before.

[TheHolo.Net]

Originally posted by Eve
Well the way I see it, he does it to be people every day.

If you're going to lay down a warning, you better be serious, specific, and stern. Otherwise, he keeps going, just like he did after you talked to him nicely before. I agree. I know Dave tried talking to him a few times in the past and it made no difference.

[Sanis Prent]

How's that different to Charley?

If you'd read what I say, you'd see the difference.

[ReaperFett]

Sorry, but I dont. People can still take offense. I mean, you're hardly think skinned when people make Alabama jokes.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I have to say what Charlie says is alot different, I mean I disagree with your opinion on the matter but I have never been offended by what You says not really :p Jon is different that post and a lot of his are offensive. I like what you wrote Eve, I have no idea how he will act though.