FINALLY seen The Godfather

[ReaperFett]

I'd seen bits, but I'd never seen all of it. I knew what was coming from "Jane Austin's Mafia!" though :)







To be honest, I was a bit dissapointed. At times it was great, but it dragged on in places. I found the parts with pacino in Italy very dull.


Having said that, the ending was beautiful, the way everything fell into place.


Brando was so-so though. I mean, his acting was great, but at times I couldn't understand one word he said. It was just....mumbling :)




I felt the film WAS good, but Goodfellas was far, far, FAR better

[JonathanLB]

"I found the parts with pacino in Italy very dull."

Well, yeah... I must agree with that. The film is a little bit slow and I prefer quicker pacing. Godfather better than Star Wars? Never. No movie that slowly paced could even have a chance at being ONE OF the 10 greatest, hehe, let alone divinely great :)

Goodfellas is a better film, I agree. That movie ROCKS. I love both Goodfellas and Casino, though (same director, same actors really).

Still I love The Godfather. I have to get around to part 2, but I love the maffia/ganster films, hehe.

[Jedieb]

Godfather I & II are two of the best American movies ever made. Maybe it's a cultural or age thing, but I loved every minute of them. The scenes in Italy were great. The "thunderbolt", Pacino's courtship, the car bomb, all good. That movie was the last time Brando was great. He's had good performances since then, but he's never been THAT good since. 3 doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath. Coppola waited too long to pick up the movies again.

[JonathanLB]

What are the Star Wars movies? Are they, umm, like Lucasian movies or something?

I believe they are American, and they are the best movies ever made. Hell Spider-Man is better than The Godfather. Only slightly, but it is.

[Jedieb]

Did you not see the words "of the" up there? It didn't say "the best". .:D As good as Spidey was, it's not even CLOSE to being in Godfather's league. Think Spidey is going to pull in a slew of Oscars and enough critical acclaim to sink the Titanic? Don't even try the B.O. argument. If adjust for inflation Godfather's first run comes in at over $400M. And that was for a rated R drama with loads of violence and language. Plus, it one of the greatest "guy" movies of all time. The kind of movie that gets qouted in OTHER movies. Francis and Co. knew their stuff.

[ReaperFett]

Quotable lines is nothing :)

[Jedieb]

From a quote slut like yourself that's hilarious. As I'm sure it was meant to be. :D

[ReaperFett]

quote slut, I like it:)

[Jedieb]

I'm glad, I didn't want you to take it the wrong way.:D We're all quote sluts whenever we spit out SW quotes. I use to love playing quote games in college. Ah, those were the days...

[ReaperFett]

Yes, those Monday Tuesday Happy Days....







there you go, worst shoe-horned in quote ever ;)

[JonathanLB]

Yes The Godfather is classic, and more acclaimed than almost any other movie, but I still think Spider-Man is a more enjoyable movie. On an intellectual level, The Godfather wins out without a lot of trouble, but I really was not BLOWN AWAY by The Godfather. It's just another four star movie, not one of the best ever in my book.

[JMK]

Different people derive satisfaction from movies in different ways. Sure Spider-Man may have a higher "re-watchability" factor than the Godfather movies, but as far as filmmaking goes, all aspects of it, Spider-Man isn't close. But if course, it's useless to compare the two because they are completely different types of movies.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I loved the Godfather it is a classic, one of the best movies ever, I also think it is way better than Goodfellas which to me copies The Godfather a lot, I guess it depends on which you saw first there. I just think its a great movie and I have to go with Jedieb here.

[JMK]

I ended up seeing Goodfellas first, and for me, that is THE mob movie. I may change my opinion after I take in the Godfather trilogy a few times more, but I just love Goodfellas.

[Daiquiri Van-Derveld]

How can you even begin to compare Spiderman and The Godfather? Its like apples and oranges. Yes, The Godfather is slow paced but it is telling a story about a family and how they came to be they way they are. Spiderman is completely visual with little thought integration in it. Jedieb is correct when he said that Godfather 3 shouldnt be included with 1 & 2. Coppola did wait too long to make it and the storyline itself left way too much to be desired. A total let down. Goodfellas was good but nowhere near being in the same class as The Godfather.

[Saarrreeaa Meorrrei]

I haven't seen either. I feel like I am missing something in my life.

I hadn't seen the Lethal Weapon movies until number 4 came out. Then I sat down and had a LW 1-3 party with myself, and watched all three in one day.

I need to try that with the Godfather, but I understand that they're insanely long..maybe I'll take two days. :D

[Daegal Murdoch]

Godfather = Greatest Movie of all Time

[JonathanLB]

Star Wars = the greatest movie(s) of all time.

I saw The Godfather about 5 months before I saw Goodfellas. I liked Goodfellas better, though. It's funnier, it's faster paced, it's just a more exciting film. It's the ultimate mob movie, I agree, it's awesome.

I still love The Godfather, I'm not dissing it. It's just not that awe-inspiring. I saw Gladiator and I was blown away, it was so well done it gave me goosebumps, like any Star Wars film (or like The Count of Monte Cristo, The Matrix, etc.), but The Godfather has no such effect. It's extremely well done, and it's easily four stars, I loved it, but it's not one of the top 100 best films of all time to me. I can think of so many better movies.

Spider-Man, as I said, is not intellectually comparable to a film like The Godfather. They are not even comparable films, I realize, but yeah if you asked me, "Would you rather see Spider-Man 10 times or The Godfather 10 times," I would say Spider-Man before you even finished your sentence. Jesus it would be painful having to watch The Godfather more than a few times in a lifetime.

Any movie that is way more rewatchable is going to stand the test of time better to me. It doesn't make it a better film, though. I think Resident Evil is more rewatchable than, uhh, say The Shawshank Redemption, but Shawshank Redemption is 100 times the movie Resident Evil is...

Nonetheless I have to say the quality and craft of Spider-Man is more impressive than The Godfather. It just was almost perfectly done. Spider-Man definitely blew me away and I was expecting a lot from it, so that was impressive.

The Godfather, I was expecting a lot and, well, I got about what I expected maybe a bit less, but it was still great.

[Saarrreeaa Meorrrei]

Shawshank Redemption is a GREAT movie. I'd watch it over and over again, if I could. Well, plus the fact that I've only seen it once, and only saw the last half of it. but it was great. I need to watch it again.

And I thought that you typed:


"Would you rather see Spider-Man 10 times or Godzilla 10 times,"

when what you actually typed was:


"Would you rather see Spider-Man 10 times or The Godfather 10 times,"

^_^;

[JonathanLB]

Nah, LOL, I wouldn't want to see Godzilla 10 times but I'd probably rather see it 10 times than The Godfather just because I couldn't deal with seeing a movie of that nature 10 times.

At least with eye candy like Godzilla you can have something that you wouldn't mind seeing over and over again, even if the movie does suck hard.

I love The Shawshank Redemption, probably would make my top 50 without a problem.

[Quadinaros]

The only cool thing about the elbow surgery I had in March was that during my recovery, I was able to watch my Godfather DVDs and listen to all three commentary tracks. I tell ya, my brain was hurting more than my elbow. These movies are very detail-oriented and I think they are very re-watchable.

I've seen the first one about 10 times, and I still learn new things each time I watch it.

An offer you can't refuse, I will make. :D

[Ilyn Pyke]

My favorite movies of all time would be ...

Long Riders - A movie about the James/Younger gang starring the Carradines as the Youngers, the Keaches as the James brothers, and the Quaids as the Ford brothers. Must see movie especially if you are a western buff. Best damm western ever made.

Platoon - A movie about the Vietnam War. Tom Berrenger is absolutely AWESOME in this flick. You will never meet another platoon sergeant like SGT. BARNES. WOW! Also starring Willem Dafoe and Charlie Sheen.

Wall Street - A powerful drama involving the stock market and corporate corruption. Starring Charlie Sheen, Martin Sheen, and Michael Douglas.

Unforgiven - An retired hired gun comes back out to help a brutalized Madame and her gals. Clint Eastwood, Morgan Freeman, Richard Harris, and Gene Hackman. All four give an awesome performance especially _Gene Hackman_ as a brutal sheriff with his own brand of law! Hackman rules! Do not miss it.

Heat - Great bank robber capper starring Robert DeNiro, Al Pacino, and Val Kilmer. Do not miss it.

Goodfellas - A great mafioso flick, Joe Pesci takes the film by storm as a tempermental, murderous mob boss. Do not miss it.

Once upon a time in America - The movie follows young thugs as they ascend up to gangsterland. Starring James Woods, Robert DeNiro. Do not miss it.

River's Edge - Dark and disturbin tale of lost alienated teens and murder. Takes place in Oregon. (Hehe- LD and Jon) Starring Keanu Reeves and Dennis Hopper. Disturbing yet a great film.

Drop all your dvd or tapes and watch these movies please!!!

[JonathanLB]

Funny thing is, I think I saw both Unforgiven and Goodfellas in the same day, or at least the same couple of day period. I loved both of them, Unforgiven really gets you thinking, at least I thought so. It's one of the best films I've seen on the AFI top 100 list so far.

I don't care for Heat. Long, boring, it drags, not a good film even. Maybe 2.5 stars.

Wall Street ROCKS, I love that film. Best financial type of movie ever. I also love Barbarians at the Gate and recently, I enjoyed Boiler Room, but it doesn't hold a candle to either of those. Wall Street is so great.... actually Boiler Room has references to it, hehe.

[Ilyn Pyke]

Forgot one...

Fellowship of the Ring - Tolkien, Tolkien, Tolkien.

Other mentionables is The Matrix; Princess Bride; The Usual Suspects.



On another note many people liked Gladiator but it disappointed me. It was too cliched, too hollywood, and too inaccurate. The movie was all glitz and flair promising great things but in the end lacked true substance and sensible story depth. The characters did not draw me in and I lost interest half way through.

:: Ducks any bad tomatoes thrown his way:: :lol

[JonathanLB]

Good thing you ducked because I just threw like 100 tomatoes at you.

Gladiator is the greatest non-Star Wars movie ever made, in my opinion. It's simply fantastic. The director is the greatest ever, I think, besides Spielberg perhaps, but when that guy is on, his work is simply better than anyone else (except Lucas's Star Wars). Gladiator's main character alone was plenty enough for me to love it.

It's such a masterpiece. Not Hollywood at all, just awesome. Historically inaccurate, haha, well it's a movie, not a history book. I don't ever see how historical accuracy has anything to do with the quality of a film.

[Serena Laran]

Princess Bride! :love I love that movie! There is a Princess Bride quote for every and any occasion. :D

[Ilyn Pyke]

Originally posted by JonathanLB
Funny thing is, I think I saw both Unforgiven and Goodfellas in the same day, or at least the same couple of day period. I loved both of them, Unforgiven really gets you thinking, at least I thought so. It's one of the best films I've seen on the AFI top 100 list so far.

I don't care for Heat. Long, boring, it drags, not a good film even. Maybe 2.5 stars.

Unforgiven is one of my favorite westerns ever. Gene Hackman steals the movie IMO! The other performances are excellent too.

Well I put Heat on the list because DeNiro's character is very absorbing. While Pacino's character can rack the nerves and that is no fault of his but the script's.

[JonathanLB]

I will give Heat another chance... It has been a while. Perhaps I'd appreciate it more now.

I thought Unforgiven was amazing all around, but it was the end of the movie that made it more than just excellent, but a true masterpiece. The ending is quite shocking really, not to spoil it for anyone, but it had me thinking for a long while. I was just in disbelief, hehe. I think Eastwood is great in it...

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Unforgiven is GREAT. Tombstone is GREAT as well. I think I like TOmbstone better though. :)

[JonathanLB]

I think I would actually have to agree with that. Tombstone is unbelievably awesome. I LOVE that movie. I got that two-disc DVD set now too, hehe, I still haven't watched the DVD though. That movie is so cool. :)

"SO RUN YOU CURR, RUN, AND TELL THEM I'M COMING! TELL THEM I'M COMING AND THE LAW IS COMING WITH ME! THE LAW IS COMING WITH ME!" lol, something like that ;)

[Ilyn Pyke]

Originally posted by JonathanLB
Good thing you ducked because I just threw like 100 tomatoes at you.

Gladiator is the greatest non-Star Wars movie ever made, in my opinion. It's simply fantastic. The director is the greatest ever, I think, besides Spielberg perhaps, but when that guy is on, his work is simply better than anyone else (except Lucas's Star Wars). Gladiator's main character alone was plenty enough for me to love it.

Yes, Maximus was fabricated in the movie. However Emperor Aurelias and his son, Commodus were real figures of history. Emperor Aurelias succeeded in passing the Empire to his natural heir before dying of ailments or natural causes. But because of civil war and Commodus' inept misrule, his mistress and some of his closest advisors conspired and plotted to have Commodus killed. After one failed attempt, Commodus eventually was strangled at the hands of Narcissus, a personal friend and trainer. He did not die in an gladiatorial battle.

Anyway that is besides the point, I think the film failed with it's characters. Not engrossing enough and they held no emotional stimuli IMO. The film did not grab me because it lacked originality and felt too familiar. I need to rent it and give a second look. Then post my view afterwards here.

[JonathanLB]

"He did not die in an gladiatorial battle."

NO $H1T?!?! Wow. I had no idea... I thought he really did die at Maximus's hands ;)

Well I found it entirely engrossing personally, saw it 3 times in theaters. I loved it.

[Ilyn Pyke]

Originally posted by JonathanLB
"He did not die in an gladiatorial battle."

NO $H1T?!?! Wow. I had no idea... I thought he really did die at Maximus's hands ;)

Well I found it entirely engrossing personally, saw it 3 times in theaters. I loved it.

Yep, Maximus never existed.

Neither did Commodus suffocate or even kill his father, Emperor Aurelias. Aurelias freely gave the Empire to his rightful heir. If my memory serves me correctly, Commodus was strangled while bathin with his friend Narcissus. Interesting isn't it!

I am going to rent the movie this weekend and give it a second chance.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Tombstone! "I don't think poker is your game...lets have a spelling bee."

Doc Holiday is THE best character EVER.

[Ilyn Pyke]

Originally posted by Lilaena De'Ville
Tombstone! "I don't think poker is your game...lets have a spelling bee."

Doc Holiday is THE best character EVER.

LD, check out The Long Riders. Incredible ending and the most realistic portrayal of old west outlaws I have ever SEEN in a movie. Rent it.. please!

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I would if I HAD A STUPID VCR!!!!!!

*stomps around in frustration*

And I need to balance my check book. Curses!! :mad

[JonathanLB]

Man I thought I was behind still not using HDTV ;)

[Ilyn Pyke]

Originally posted by Lilaena De'Ville
I would if I HAD A STUPID VCR!!!!!!

*stomps around in frustration*

And I need to balance my check book. Curses!! :mad

Darn Smitchasprag! Well I hope you can look into those movies soon.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Yeah me too. Sheesh. I still haven't seen Spy Game. :( but I have a DVD-Rom coming soon..so that will help me a little. :D

[Ilyn Pyke]

Originally posted by Lilaena De'Ville
Yeah me too. Sheesh. I still haven't seen Spy Game. :( but I have a DVD-Rom coming soon..so that will help me a little. :D

That's a bummer but at least you have the incentive of the DVD-Rom. :)

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Yesh. :D :D

[ReaperFett]

Heat is one of the movies DVD was made for. At the moment that if you've seen the film is obvious, you shut the curtains, and turn the volume loud enough that other countries can hear you :)

[Sanis Prent]

Gladiator is weird in how its set up. Its part history, part myth, kinda woven in from a span of about 500 years apart. Maximus' character is based on the myth prevalent in the time of the Roman Republic, of a man named Cincinnatus. The soldier/farmer/citizen archetype that instilled a sense of duty-bound "virtus" in men of Rome. There was no such person as Maximus.

However, Marcus Aurelius, Commodus, etc....all very much real. Emperor Aurelius was the last in a line of "Five good emperors", which set about a series of fundamental changes in the much later Imperial Rome. However, Marcus Aurelius actually did appoint his son to succeed him. Commodus was pretty inept though. How inept....not sure.


Oh, and as far as the Godfather...I would say it goes toe-to-toe with any other movie series ever made. I tend to prefer the third one, cause its kinda this last gasp attempt to cleanse the blood from Michael's hands. So tragic.

And Goodfellas is based on a true story :)

[ReaperFett]

AND, it is the inspiration for the Gangsters in the Simpsons :)

[Jedi Master Carr]

Yes, Maximus was fabricated in the movie. However Emperor Aurelias and his son, Commodus were real figures of history. Emperor Aurelias succeeded in passing the Empire to his natural heir before dying of ailments or natural causes. But because of civil war and Commodus' inept misrule, his mistress and some of his closest advisors conspired and plotted to have Commodus killed. After one failed attempt, Commodus eventually was strangled at the hands of Narcissus, a personal friend and trainer. He did not die in an gladiatorial battle.

You are mostly right Commodus was poisoned first. The plot was hatched by his lover and the head of Praetorians. He Quintus like saw Commodus as destroying the Empire and he and his lover gave him poison, well like Rasptun later on it didn't work so they sent in Narcissus into strangle him, and that was the end of the evil Commodus. Also that was my main beef with Gladiator everytime I watch it I get a little upset with the historical changes. First off they make Marcus Aurelies look like a saint, saying he wanted to go back to the republic, that was bullcrap right there he was an Emperor and had no thoughts about going back to democracy, second was the whole crap about him eliminating the gladiatorial games, well that is false because under his reign more Christians died in the Colusseum than under any other emperor. My other problem was how they made Commodus reign look so short in the movie he ruled what 2-5 years maybe, but in real life he ruled almost 15. I liked the portrayal better in Fall of the Roman Empire which is an older film that is kind of ripped off by Gladiator in some ways but in the same way it is just as historically flawed (showing Commodus kill his father, etc)

[ReaperFett]

What gets me is if you dont follow history, why use history?

[Sanis Prent]

because its only a historical/mythological fiction.

[Jedieb]

Wow, someone who liked GF3, there's something you don't see everyday.:huh

I loved Goodfellas, but I'd rank it behind GF 1&2. I enjoyed Gladiator a good deal but I actually liked some of Heston's gladiator epics even more. When you get Hollywood and historical fiction together you're not going to get an accurate product. But if the movie works, then all is forgiven. The last two big histoircal fiction pics that I've seen have been The Patriot and Gladiator. While BOTH of them played hard and fast with the facts, I was much more forgiving of Gladiator than The Patriot. The Patriot just glossed over so many facts and went out of its way to make caricatures out of the British and the French. I guess what bothered me most of all was the death of Gibson's sons. I just found their deaths to be very disturbing. Those scenes make the Patriot a movie I don't like watching very often. Gibson's victory at the end is just plain hollow to me, especially after everything that he's lost. It's probably the parent in me, but those scenes cloud the whole movie for me.

[ReaperFett]

I still refuse to see the film:)

[JMK]

U-571 was historically innaccurate too, but I still love it. :)

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Yeah well, so was Titanic. Wait... :mischief

Yes the worst thing about the Patriot was listening to my brother in law explaining how Gibson's character IRL was nothing like that. He was a slave owner, etc etc so wouldn't have accepted a black man in his little band...generally not a sweet family guy like we see in the movie.

However, I didn't watch the Patriot for an exact history lesson. Anyone who WANTS the real truth should watch documentaries on the History Channel, not movies.

[ReaperFett]

Yeah, but why make a slave owning rapist the hero? Why not create a new character?

[Ilyn Pyke]

I am running out of time here, well just posted to say I will be back much later to share more thoughts... lol.

[Sasseeri Reeouurra]

:lol I don't know Fett! Maybe because they couldn't think up a good name, so used one from history? *shrug*

[Daiquiri Van-Derveld]

I didnt expect Long Riders to make an appearence here but... Oh Yeah! LR is a great shoot-em-up movie and one Ive watched several times. It and Lonesome Dove and my two favorite westerns. I love the arguements between Tommy Lee Jones Robert...(not Redford, not Stack, not De Niro..gods I hate it when I go blank!!)....the dude who played Tom Hagen in The Godfather.
Thier friendship lasted throughout thier lives and beyond death. I still cry when Captain McCall is finally buried.

But then I used to cry when Dorothy was saying goodbye to the Scarecrow in the Wizard Of Oz, too! :lol

[Lilaena De'Ville]

:lol I watched the Wizard of Oz this year for the first time. I was like...eh. :)

Still haven't seen Grease either, but I know the songs. Sadness! :lol:lol

[ReaperFett]

Duvall I presume:)

[Daiquiri Van-Derveld]

That would be him. :huh It happens once you have kids, lol.

[ReaperFett]

What, you forget the surnames of famous Roberts?:)

[Darth23]

The Godfather does NOT drag in places. The whole Sicily sequence is what really makes the movie an epic.

[Figrin D'an]

The Godfather, Parts 1 and 2, are two of the greatest films ever made. 'Nough said. With all due respect to such films as Goodfellas, Casino, Scarface, etc... they all are a notch below the story of the Corleone family. I loved Goodfellas, it's a classic in it's own right... but I still have to give the nod to The Godfather.


That said... one only has to take a look at my avatar to figure out what my favorite all-time film is. :)

[JonathanLB]

The Godfather DOES drag in places. It's still a great movie, but it's hard to sit through more than a few times because it simply progresses too slowly. I can take Ben-Hur. That's an epic film that would make my top 50 easily and it never drags. It's amazing that a 3.5 hour film could have such great pacing, but it does. The Godfather does not, nor is it even close to as good as Ben-Hur.

I don't get why everyone acts like nobody likes Godfather III. Is this another one of those Phantom Menace type of deals? Godfather III received a BEST PICTURE nomination -- it obviously is a movie most people enjoy. I don't think you'd find many people who would call it better than the first two, which are seen as the masterpieces, but Godfather III wraps up the trilogy, even if it is considered a slower film, it's still a necessary conclusion and, as I said, it got a Best Picture Nomination. It's not exactly Waterworld here. It's an acclaimed film that just isn't as acclaimed as its two predecessors.

[Daiquiri Van-Derveld]

Yep! :) You forget the surnames of famous Roberts, your own name, your IQ and how to yodel! Its kind of like being Rose Nyland from St. Olaf in "Golden Girls". :huh :lol :huh

[JonathanLB]

Only one last comment.

Greatest Movies Ever Made: Star Wars. 'Nuff said. :)

[Jedi Master Carr]

Personally I liked The Patriot better than Gladiator, I am more picky with Gladiator because it really made a mess or Roman History, I also found the Patriot more accurate except for that Church burning scene the only one that really bothered me. The stuff about Taverton did not because the real person's nick name was Bloody and come on to me that say he was bloodthursty, its not like the British have always been gentleman, do I need to mention, the 100's war (Joan of Arc's burning at the stake is the highlight of that affair), the toturous executions of several kings, the killing of the twin airs at the Tower of London, everything that has ever happened at the tower of london, William Wallace being torn limb from limb, Queen Mary's brutal execution, and Henry beheaded a few of his wives, so I really don't have a hard time believing that there could be one brutal person in the British forces at the time, hey they existed on both sides and will always exist that is part of the horrors of war. I do admit they went to bit over the top with the church, I would rather had them burned the church with nobody in and Gabriel's love die in the cross fire it would have made more since. As far as the end well, he did have to go on, what was he do to kill himself, I think that is the point there regardless of what we lose we must try to move on but hey this is just my opinion.

[ReaperFett]

Carr, the thing with the Patriot was that they made the British to be evil and a slave driving rapist to be the hero. The makers had to make an apology to the City of Liverpool for dragging one of the British names through the dirt you know :)



I remember Gofather III. It was alright, but that girl was TERRIBLE. Sofia Copola was it?

[JonathanLB]

The British are evil!!!! The Patriot just finally got it right ;) lol, j/k

I thought The Patriot was a great movie thought, I saw it several times in theaters.

[Sanis Prent]

I didn't really like the Patriot all that much. It seemed some of the personal interactions were almost an afterthought.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Yeah but the guy they ruined was pretty nasty, he had surrendering soliders killed all the time, this is according to historians, and he did a few other dishonorable things to I think one his bands killed some civillains. Now I am not saying there isn't people like him everywhere, the US has had people like that too, heck there were those fighting in the same war that were like that. As far as Mel Gibson's characer, I guess you refer to Francis Marion, well he defentely owned slaves the rest of its debatable, I have heard of historians defending him, I think partly its recent PC history has tried to make him look worse, its hard to say what kind of person he really was because documents about his homelife just don't exist.

[Jedieb]

I have to echo D23 and Figrin, Godfather does NOT drag in places. Just because someone isn't getting shot or having a knife driven through their hand doesn't mean a film is dragging. ;) The Scily scenes were great because they helped to show the changes Michael was undergoing. He was becoming more and more like his father right before our eyes. His courtship and marriage to an old fashioned Scilian bride could have been a replay of his father's courtship. Plus there's that great shot of Michael and bride walking with an entire entourage chaperoning them. Great stuff.

Godfather 3 was simply forgettable. The film suffered tremendously from the absense of Duval. Throw in the horrendous casting, (George Hamilton!, Sophia, and the actor who played Pacino's son was just as bland and wooden), and you've got a sub par movie. The Oscar nomination was more a courtesy nomination for Coppola because the first 2 each won best picture Oscars. It had NO shot of winning and everybody knew it. If I remember right, the movie had a meager B.O. reception as well. It was especially poor in comparison to the first 2 which were blockbusters. I bet many who bought the DVD box set rarely, ir ever, watch GFIII. Most people think it just plain sucks.

[ReaperFett]

Yeah but the guy they ruined was pretty nasty, he had surrendering soliders killed all the time, this is according to historians, and he did a few other dishonorable things to I think one his bands killed some civillains
Yeah, and who didn't? Are you telling me everyone else in that war from all sides was honourable and good?



Just because someone isn't getting shot or having a knife driven through their hand doesn't mean a film is dragging
Oh, stupid me, that must be the reason I found it to be dragging. Sorry for having a different view.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Well for the British that was considered dishonarable, the movie showed this that it was act unbequenting of a gentleman, now I bet the American side did that more often in that war, sure that is probably accurate (heck the movie showed it) but they were mostly ruffians and backwood hicks (I am talking about the ones fighting in the south because that is the way it was at time) anyway while Taverton was doing stuff that British soliders weren't suppose to do because they saw themselves as more civilized.

[Jedieb]

Oh, stupid me, that must be the reason I found it to be dragging. Sorry for having a different view.
There's no need to apologize for being stupid. ;) "Lighten up Francis."