Lightsabre Forms

[ReaperFett]

This is in OOC because it has RP uses :)


Basically, the EP2 Visual Dictionary has a section about Lightsabre Forms. Using this, I have compiled a list of the forms, complete with known information, definate users and possible users (No confirmation). Any additions/Suggestions? Say! :)



FORM I
Nothing known.


FORM II
This is an ancient technique that favours long elegant moves and incredible deftness of hand.

DEFINATE USERS
COUNT DOOKU studied archive records to construct a lightsabre standard in the heydey of this style.

POSSIBLE USERS
AAYLA SECURA ignited her sabre in a way that did seem to be a good stance for Form II.


FORM III
This maximises defense protection. Invented ages ago when blaster weapons first become common in Jedi enemies, Form III began as high-speed laserblast deflection training. Over the centuries, it has been refined into an expression of nonagressive Jedi philosophy.

DEFINATE USERS
OBI-WAN KENOBI specialises in this, focusing on this after the death of Qui-Gon.

POSSIBLE USERS
JEDI OUTCAST MEDIUM STANCE is very similar to Obi-Wan.


FORM IV
This is known for its power.

DEFINATE USERS
ANAKIN SKYWALKER has started studying this.

POSSIBLE USERS
JEDI OUTCAST HEAVY STANCE is knwon for its power.
QUI GON JINN fights like the JO heavy stance.
DARTH VADER


FORM V
Nothing known.


FORM VI
Nothing known.


FORM VII
Only high-level masters of multiple forms can achieve and control form VII. This dangerous regimen cuts perilously close to the Sith focus on physical combat ability.

DEFINATE USERS
MACE WINDU is an instructior in this.

POSSIBLE USERS
KIT FISTO (Oh come on, look how he fights!:))

[Loki Ahmrah]

I was thinking about this yesterday, thanks. :)

But surely more information is available, I'm dying to know more about the styles and for example, what style does Yoda use. That's without doubt the fastest and most spectacular.

[Charley]

I think Vader also uses IV.

[ReaperFett]

Well, here is a list of people we have seen fight properlywho don't appear in my present list, who use a single Lightsabre:


TPM Obi-Wan Kenobi
Yoda
Darth Vader
Luke Skywalker
Jedi Outcast Light Stance









EDIT- Actually, that maes sense, being as ANakin is starting to learn it, if he kept with it. I'll add it:)

[Loki Ahmrah]

Form II is a space age fencing.

[Charley]

and form VII is nearly pure kendo

[Vega Van-Derveld]

Hmm... interesting, and useful..

[ReaperFett]

Would be more useful with forms I, V and VI :)

[Morgan Evanar]

I think the visual guide to ep2 has something about lightsaber styles.

[ReaperFett]

That's where I got all that from

[Kar'h'tzen Shaed]

Heh...

Anyway, I'd say put down Darth Maul for Form VII. Although, really, it is impossible to say for sure - perhaps having two blades requires an altogether different form of its own.

As for Yoda, he has a form all his own... ;)

I recall the swordmaster guy for Episode II saying something about making up a whole bunch of fighting styles for the movie, I'll try and remember where I saw that, and I'll check and see if he said anything useful to this thread in the same place.

[Shawn]

After learning that Mace Windu uses Form VII, I just called it the "badass mofo" style. :)

[Marcus Telcontar]

Form VIII

Onnly small green beings are capable of this style, being compared to a monkey on acid. Much spinning and jumping required

Known users

Yoda
Master Yogurt

[ReaperFett]

lol:)

[Kar'h'tzen Shaed]

Well, this is of no help, but it is what I was thinking about... from "Ask the Jedi Council".


Q: I believe you said that you developed twelve positions for the Jedi fighting style. Traditional theatrical combat has eight. What are the other four?
A: The extra four positions in "Jedi" style fighting are d7th, d8th, v3rd and h3rd. However, during Episode II, I had to add two more. These are h1st and dv7. I hope this clears up any problems.

Heh. Well, I imagine one of those is Yoda's. Anyway, about the only useful thing this adds to the thread is that there are, possibly, fourteen Forms. Only ten more to find any information at all on left! :)

[Shawn]

I'd say put down Darth Maul for Form VIIFrom what I understand, these are Jedi lightsabre styles.
This dangerous regimen cuts perilously close to the Sith focus on physical combat ability. IOW, the Sith have something that's even more aggressive.

[ReaperFett]

IOW?

[Loki Ahmrah]

Darth Maul couldn't use any of the current lightsaber styles with the double-bladed saber; it was completely different style by necessity, as for his single blade combat, it will be a Sith variation of a Jedi style.

[Mu Satach]

IOW == In Other Words

[ReaperFett]

Gotcha :)

[ReaperFett]

Okay, here is a question for y'all.


II is faster than III is faster that IV is faster than VII


WOuld you assume that Form I would be the fastest style, like the TPM Obi Wan?

[Loki Ahmrah]

No, not like TPM Obi-Wan style, I'd say that if it is the fastest, then I'd say more like AOTC Yoda style without doubt.

[ReaperFett]

Bear in mind that would bea hard form to actually train someone in :)


IMO, that would be an adaptation of a form, NOT a form

[Admiral Lebron]

Episode I Obi-Wan was form III still. Instead of bolts against maul, it was his saber. Still, it was a quick movement in defense, which makes it my favorite fight ever.

[ReaperFett]

But Lebron, the Vis Dic says he started learning it AFTER Qui Gon died.

[Admiral Lebron]

Oh. Well, I don't buy that. Unless there is another style close to it.

[Taataani Meorrrei]

Shawn, then why does Count Dooku (a Sith) use Form 2?

Also, I would estimate that Yoda's style would be probably form I...seeing that it would likely be the one he learned all those hundreds of years ago. Just a guess though :)

[Admiral Lebron]

Dooku was trained a Jedi.

[Taataani Meorrrei]

and in TPM, Qui-Gon refers to Maul's martial combat as "the Jedi arts"

[ReaperFett]

Thinking about it, I feel TPM Obi and Yoda are BOTH form I. Think this way. Yoda HAD to do all the jumping and stuff, he's tiny. Obi Wan didn't. But they were both fast styles, light shots and the like.

[Kar'h'tzen Shaed]

Yeah, I'm with you on that one.

As for Maul, it would indeed make sense that he was not even using a Jedi form - for either the fact that his lightsaber was not fit for any of their forms, or simply because some Sith form was better. And yes, Dooku was trained as a Jedi before he became a Sith, and he didn't change his fighting style any.

Wonder if Palpatine even HAS a form. I'm beginning to wonder if he'll ever be shown with a lightsaber - I doubt he needs one.

Lastly, on an unrelated note, I've been wondering if Darth Maul had a real name. The Darth names always seem to be titles, their bearers always have other, and true, names. Maybe I should read the Darth Maul book. Anyway, ignore me.

[Mu Satach]

You have to remember too that the first Sith were first Jedi... and all great masters of any fighting form ultimately adapt what they have learned into their own style trying to achieve something greater. (a la Bruce Lee... for one)

or in a different area but still the same concept Picaso, he was trained in art and could rival anything painted by say Rembrant but he broke out and created his own style...

So Maul most likely was trained in the Jedi forms but then moved on and developed his own style to work with his saber staff.

[Charley]

Or did anybody think that perhaps the double bladed style was yet another form? :)

[ReaperFett]

No, I didn't, and wont ;)

[Lord Gue]

Form VIII
Lucha lebre style
lotsa jumpin and spinin by short people

[Loki Ahmrah]

I read up on it yesterday and discovered that Maul couldn't use any of the known fighting style's to accomodate for his double-bladed weapon and the way he applied it. His sideways stance was very powerful and allows full manouverability (as far as possible) for the weapon with less risk to himself.

[Shawn]

and in TPM, Qui-Gon refers to Maul's martial combat as "the Jedi arts"Because he had never seen a Sith before? All he knew was that his opponent knew how to use a lightsabre. That it was a Sith was not the first thing that came to mind for him, seeing as how there hadn't been any Sith in over a thousand years.
You have to remember too that the first Sith were first JediNot entirely accurate. The first Sith were just that: Sith. Then some exiled Dark Jedi came along and started learning the Sith arts.

[ReaperFett]

See Tales of the Jedi TPB #5 and #6 :)