I've deleted that who to RP list....

[Darth Turbogeek]

I'm sick of the flak I'm getting. I've done a lot of fence mending and I for one was rather enjoying not being flamed.

[Anbira Hicchoru]

I think that should've been discussed before deleting :\

[Darth Turbogeek]

See above answer.

Relations between groups are touchy enough without what others can see as provokation. I dont enjoy having the defensive discussions I have been the last two days.

[Anbira Hicchoru]

There's a time for peace, a time for war, a time for love, a time for hate, a time for compromise...


...and a time to tell somebody to STFU.

What happens in here is nobody else's damn business, and its really a fine line to walk between compromise and pandering appeasement.

[Jedi Knight Leia Solo]

I don't blame DT. There is a LOT of tension in groups as it is. I've been away and have found this to STILL be the case. It is best to not do anything like that. People feel its a popularity thing BESIDES...isn't that why we dislike the same silly polls that used to go on?! We got rid of those too.

Best not to create anymore tension. People do get touchy. Sadly enough.

[Morgan Evanar]

It was a @#%$ proposal, and its obvious some people can even handle that it was just that.

Some people need to keep their nose out of our bussiness, and I think most of us know who exactly I'm talking about.

Refer them to me next time, ok? It was my idea, and I think I'm more than capable of defending it.

[Jedi Knight Leia Solo]

Whooay I am lost here!!! Want to fill me in Morgan?

Honestly I have no idea when this started and such. As usual...I've been out of the loop.

[Darth Turbogeek]

What happens in here is nobody else's damn business, and its really a fine line to walk between compromise and pandering appeasement

I can see now htat creating that list would have a) Got out into the open and b) was just asking for trouble cause now it has. A lot.

We, as a group overstepped the mark. This not appeasement, this is simply the fact that that list was a form of outing and a backhanded banning or could have been seen like that, even if it is not our intention.

Edit - And yes, I am telling people to speak to you. No one seems to be listening and it's really trying my patience.

[Anbira Hicchoru]

So keep it out of the open, and keep it here? If they still wanna pry...their infiltrating mother-DO-NOT-SWEAR--DO-NOT-SWEAR--DO-NOT-SWEAR--DO-NOT-SWEAR-ers, and can kiss my southern-bred white ass for all I care. I'm tired of their @#%$, honestly.

[Figrin D an]

Was the list posted in a public forum, in addition to in Avalon? (Just curious, because I wasn't aware of in what locations it appeared).

Anyway... I know the list was an intent to inform GJO members of which RP'ers were good to work with... but it's also a good way to piss off the rest of the RP community. Considering that we're trying to improve GJO's image, a list like that could only serve to make us look snobby and elitist.

But, yes, I do agree that as it being only a proposal, and not official policy, people outside of GJO need to back off...

[Anbira Hicchoru]

Well...my personal view is that anybody who wants to discuss proposals that are in a locked forum that they shouldn't even know about anyways, but do due to the fact that they are prying sons of bitches...they need to place a stick of dynamite in their teeth, light the fuze, put their heads between their legs, and toss their own salads with TNT power.

Why the hell we have to alter whats in a locked forum due to outside influences is frankly beyond me. And I think we are compromising in the wrong way if we do so. This is very harmful as a precedent, and will only show that Avolon can essentially be ruled from Die Shadowtide Reich.

DT, I admire your peacemaking precedents of recent, and while my previous grievances with Dara and company from April were cleared...that doesn't make them pure as the driven snow. I know how they work, and I surely know that they try to corrode places like this with these kinds of complaints.

There ARE times to put your feet down...even in the name of peacekeeping. Frankly, these people need to know that what happens here is as much relevance to them as whether I have 3 peanuts in my next turd or two. Because prying into locked forums, like prying into toilets of others....is simply disgusting.

[Darth Turbogeek]

a) It was posted in the open.

That is bad.

b) It reflected badly on us as a whole.

What do you think the Jedi would do if they saw a similar list at TSE? They would have a collective spit and I would most likely be the loudest.

For once, TSE are I believe correct. Doing this would have set an extremely bad precident and frankly, considering that we have achieved a level of group peace not seen ina long time, I for one just cant deal with another BS argument. I've really had enough and it's only some sheer bloody midedness I just dont leave and this time really stay away. I was awfully close to it in October.

Now dont like the fact the list's existance got into the open. But even so, it would have one day and then we would be facing a GJO vs TSE boilover.

Now, weas a collcetive group made a msitake. I really believe that. And I emphasis WE, not one or two people. As a group we all have to realise some things we coudl do may be severely on the nose to other groups and we do need to be careful of that. I will use a really extreme example - if we as a group had some fantasy of sodomising someone at TSE in here... THE FACT IT IS IN HERE DOES NOT MAKE IT ACCEPTIBLE.

I will also point out, maybe Dara had the biggest fit... but she was not the only one. it is simply my belief that even if the list was hushed again, one day it will resurface and I will get the flamefest all over again. No. Thank. You.

[Morgan Evanar]

And you know what? I'd say "Dude, calm down, who cares?"

But everyone is so fuggin hyped about their image on a rpg forum.

Rama said the list was so laden with my personal opinion. Of course it was. I wasn't the only person with input on it, though.

Of course, whoever leaked the list didn't bother to include that it was simply A) An idea, proposal at the time, and was merely under consideration.

B) wasn't hard to get on the list at all.

Of course, those things were blatantly overlooked, as usual.

The list is dropped, but this kind of BS isn't going to stop happening if people don't stop looking at this sort of thing as a personal attack.

People need to grow up. I think I'm going to start spending my time elsewhere.

Edit: No, I'm not. I'm going to stick around soley because my presence and ideas seem to irritate the hell out them. I think I'm going to start taking pleasure in the fact that I make them miserable.

[Anbira Hicchoru]

I'd rather cause a boilover than let what Dara and company think influence matters in Avolon. Thats total bull-DO-NOT-SWEAR--DO-NOT-SWEAR--DO-NOT-SWEAR--DO-NOT-SWEAR-.

DT, you say we as a collective group made a mistake. I think then, we as a collective group should decide how to rectify it. Deleting it out in the open is fine. I agree with that. But not from here. It has every right to be here, as a proposal that is worked on. And those morons out there have no right to know, care, etc anything about it. But whatever course, you're right...WE have to be solid on it. Action's good to be taken, but do discuss it next time before just doing it.

I'm damn sick and tired of getting run over due to their bitching. For once, we really need to inject some backbone and tell them to piss off when it comes to our internal affairs.

[Darth Turbogeek]

* sigh *

I give up. If I dont get burnt by them, I get burnt by people here.

[Navaria Tarkin]

I think the biggest problem was that before this "idea" was commited to, it got posted too quickly outside this forum and that is what really caused the meltdown.

Gotta keep things inside here until everyone agrees.. Had alot of problems like that before -_- and no deletion either... stupid things happen sometimes and no matter if it was bad, good or indifferent, you always have something to fall back on. If enough people said forget it, the list is causing too much problems ( which it was because of my first point) then have the person who posted it edit and move on.

For DT's sanity, someone has to put the hammer down about people bitching at him. I saw Morgan's thread at swfans OOC and it never should have escalated like that. He doesn't need it and nor should anyone else in here -_- gets so stupid, so I can understand why DT did what he did, not saying it is right but I be angry if I was hounded like that... and I do know what that is like.

[Jubei SaDherat Vader]

I'm not trying to burn you or whatever DT...just saying that if we're in it as a consensus here...we need to work by that consensus. If it was out in the open, yeah, that should be canned and I agree. But I disagree on canning it here. Just a differing opinion on logistics here, tis all.

I'm not mad at you at all, not in the least. I know what kind of crap you've gotten from this mess, cause I've gotten it tons of times before, and its stupid @#%$. Thats why I think we just gotta spit back in those peoples' eyes. Their bitching should be on deaf ears within this sphere of influence. If they wanna whine about Avolon, let them try and get access here, and turn away as we laugh them off. I've seen what this crap has done over and over again, and yes, you're doing a great job trying to keep the peace, and I totally praise you for that, but there are somethings that shouldn't be compromised to keep the peace. Avolon's sovereignity is one of those.

[Master Yoghurt]

DT: I have to agree with your decision here. To be realistic, although the idea behind it was no doubt well meant, that list was going to cause a load of trouble sooner or later, in one form or the other, no matter how it was handled. Your points reflects my thought excactly.

Anbira: Although I disagree about the list, I agree it is of no outsiders business commenting what we do in this forum.

For now, I suggest everyone involved take a deep breath, calm down, forget about the whole episode and move on. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)">

[Morgan Evanar]

Mark, I'm sorry. I did screw up. I admit that. But it doesn't change the fact that those people have no business what goes on here.

It was a proposal.

It was a bad proposal.

Its dead.

If they give you any crap, tell them that.

[Figrin D an]

I'm not sure we can just ignore this and pretend it didn't happen. I'm inclined to agree with Charley on this... we (GJO) needs to make some kind of statement about this. If it is a consensus that the list was an 'internal affair', we should make that clear, and point out:

1) It was a proposal which was being considered.
2) The list was not definitive.
3) It fell under internal GJO jurisdiction, and was thus a private internal matter.

Either that, or we need to apologize for the incident as a group.


Basically, I don't think all the flak for this should fall on a select few people. We need to stand as a group on this. We always talked about getting back to being a powerful and respected group within this community. We can start by getting some backbone and shouldering this together.

[Morgan Evanar]

I think that we should appoligize that it got out in the open, but since it was none of thier bussiness, they can suck me off, in polite terms, of course.

Feel free to quote me verbatim.

[Darth Turbogeek]

My backbone is presently riddled with knives and scorchmarks.

First thing we can do is tell some people to @#%$ off and stop abusing me and pushing the blame for anything in my direction. I am fed up with the DT is the bogeyman syndrome.

Even AFTER being told to see the right person, they still set the flamethrower in my direction until blocked. Rama was the only one to actually speak to Morgan and Lynch apologied. The last two I would have expected to actually show me some respect and curtosy and they did.

This is what is truly not on. The unjustified flames and OOC bull-DO-NOT-SWEAR--DO-NOT-SWEAR--DO-NOT-SWEAR--DO-NOT-SWEAR- people have to put up with. THIS is what we should stand for, the full and total cleanup of the last bits of rubbisk OOC wise.

I'm doing my best to do so. How about the GJO makes it clear we wont tolerate it any longer and SAY IT LOUD and then protect our own. OOC idiots will get the message quick if committed RP'ers stand up for a decent area where they can be free of the BS. We all hate it and thats the real reason that thread got canned, so how about making a stand on that issue first?

[Figrin D an]

Very well then. Let's consider making that clear. The wording may be a bit tricky, but it can be done. We'll need to detail it extensively, clearly stating our position on all of this (the list, the flaming, the clear definition of 'internal GJO matters', the protection of our board and our members, etc.)

Everybody... state your opinions on this and possible things to include.

[Morgan Evanar]

I really don't think I should be writing any of this, because I'm known to brew up really offensive content, whether I mean to or not.

[Darth Turbogeek]

I could think of ways to out it, but I dont think they would be acceptible.

I'll cool and revisit topic.

EDIT : This was EZBoard account Turbogeek post 9900. I'm on the home straight!!

[Master Yoghurt]

Are people still bothering you about that list? If you like, I could formulate a statement.