I'm in a Clique now? A statement [Archive]

Marcus QDunn

Mar 23rd, 2002, 10:29:24 AM

With Ogre, Dale, Sorsha and Morgan plotting the demise of TSE....?

Excuse me while I laugh at that one. Oh I love being lied that absurdly about. Not.

People, it's time to stick together. Someone is out there acticely trying to drive a wedge in our RP community. This is not a group or a clique, but I now believe one or at most three people. Most likely one. I've got reason to believe this person is out to slander and to sow suspicion and is actuivelly "trolling" TSE to achive this in part.

I know in all of this, we're the innocent parties, so lets not tolerate GJO's name slandered and dragged through the mud. Lets stick together and show these idiots that are persisting with OOC crap we're not going to be cowed.

As a group, I'm asking all of you to make a stand and show what type of people you are. I firmly believe the OOC poision isn't here. I also dont want to ever be here. We are here to roleplay and to have fun and I believe that is what GJO stands for.

I also believe the root cause, when found, should be banned immediatly. I know it's not one of us and that I am proud of.

Basically, I opened up GJO's Temple to all to make sure we can be seen to have nothing to hide and I truly believe that we dont. I want us to be a haven where anyone can be welcome and OOC nonsense is not tolerated for a moment.

And as I said before elsewhere, if you cant forgive and forget, then ignore. Dont spread the poison anymore.

I encourge everyone else to make their own statement. United, the roleplayers who just dont want to see, hear, or be part of OOC BS can win. Are you with me on this?

Dasquian Belargic

Mar 23rd, 2002, 10:35:46 AM

I most certainly am.

I've had my fill of the OOC rubbish that goes on around here. The level of immaturity of some people who are supposed to be adults here is pathetic, and it's sad that they need to try and destroy what we have here for their cheap thrills

... but if they are going to persist at that I think that we have to show we can't be broken.

<img src=http://www.thegjo.com/forum/smileys/biglaugh.gif ALT=":D"> Vive le resistance

verse dawnstrider

Mar 23rd, 2002, 10:49:47 AM

My thoughts are simple and sweet. I may play to active chars. One at GJO and one at TSE, but sence I starte RPing I have tried to stay away from OOC stuff. I will talk to you on aim, but look at the SWFans OOC board. Look how many times I have posted there. Very few. There is only one way to beat this. People talk and point fingars because we do nothing. It is time we start. I am not saying "Lets hunt the bastards down!" OOC. This is what I mean.

Soth destroied our bar. It is RP. Some may be pissed OOC (I am not one of them), but we need not bitch about it. The Coven and The Shrine are Vamp strongholds of evil. I think it is time we do something IC wise and go wipe out that evil or scatter it. We have been keeping to ourselves for to long. Lets push back the evils of this place IC and show them GJO is not dead.

Elieen Cross

Mar 23rd, 2002, 11:14:53 AM

I would back up Marcus' words. I know what he does as half the time I look over his shoulder. He doesnt even associate himself with this so called clique. I think the only person he even chats to is Morgan from the ones listed. Now, if that is the case, then I would have to call into doubt anything else said. Clearly, it's not true about Marcus, so what else is not true?

I have to admit, I have no idea in this case what it's all about. Which, considering I said I know most of what he is up to, that must say something as to the lack of truth in these allegations.

Morgan Evanar

Mar 23rd, 2002, 04:04:52 PM

To deny that I am perhaps in a bit of a clique (more like 2 or three.) would probably be fairly silly. I suppose you could label a tight group of friends a clique.

*shrug*

They are free to drown in their dangerous paranioa: I won't stop them.

Don't bother banding together. I'm fairly certain against people this wacko, its probably not needed.

Mark, when you get the chance, please, IM me. I may or may not be on. (got lotsa painting to do.)

Xazor

Mar 23rd, 2002, 04:07:30 PM

I see things like this going on too. Is there a question of infiltration? That is why I have not taken on a secondary Sith character. I have Xazor and one other Jedi character but that is all! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)">

Anbira Hicchoru

Mar 23rd, 2002, 05:07:39 PM

Amazing that my name is kept of that "clique" list. What, they afraid to mention me?

Probably because I'd make them think twice about it. Jeebus, I'm more of a fixture in irentios than Marcus is. Why's he in this?

This is frelled up crap. Kindof a paradox. On one hand, the person who leaked the information is a bad bad bad person. On the other hand, the information he leaked is equally as bad.

It only confirms my belief in refusing to RP with TSE as a group. There are people in power with paranoia streaks that would humble the KGB or STASI of Cold War eras. I refuse to be a part of that, and I've adopted a live and let live with those people. They do...whatever...on Monto Codru, on their own little board. What? Hell, I don't know. I don't care. They do not concern me. I speak for the aforementioned parties as well. We aren't affected by TSE, well...not until they start playing these paranoia cards, and accusations of such start flying. THAT affects people adversely, and you know, its really a poison and a reminder why not to RP over there IMO.

Individuals at TSE, depending on whom, I get along with well. Vegz, you're a fun person to RP with, and I enjoy our stories. Same goes for a bunch there. Athena, Miryan, Chaos, etc. Been there, done that. But for some reason, there's this huge detriment to doing anything with TSE on the whole, and its just so incredibly unpalatable to me that I avoid it. Unfortunately that means I'm having OOC affect me IC. I simply don't get involved. I can imagine it would be fun to have Sanis start a contract over there, or do something. Yet, I ask myself if its worth the OOC insinuations and headaches. I know the last time I tried, there was this big stink of "OH LL IS TRYING SOMETHING." It gets old, so I drop all attempts to RP with them.

Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe I should give them another chance. Then again, people say I forgive too often. I'm sick of insinuations. I'm sick of paranoia crap. I'm about to write them off, aka the Marzullo Clan.

Loki Ahmrah

Mar 23rd, 2002, 05:38:03 PM

I'm just having nothing to do with this. And I suggest all you people do the same.

Figrin D an

Mar 23rd, 2002, 05:48:44 PM

As soon as I heard of this supposed coup at TSE, I put my AIM on 'Away' and found other things to occupy my time... I didn't want to hear any of the details, because, like Marcus, I don't want anything to do with the OOC attacks that have permeated though the boards.

I agree with the belief (and hope) that these problems are essentially non-existent at GJO. As long as we respect each other enough to extend some mutual feelings of trust, we can avoid the kind of garbage that has plagued other groups.

And if anyone needs an experienced Jedi character for an RP, let me know (AIM: NDKroken). I would be more than happy help out.

Anbira Hicchoru

Mar 23rd, 2002, 06:14:09 PM

Thats well and good Loki, but some of us don't have that luxury.

Nichos Marr

Mar 23rd, 2002, 08:11:00 PM

LL, I couldn't agree more with that statement.

Not three months go by before some TSE member confronts me on AIM and accuses me of plotting against the Sith Empire. I've been told time and time again, "I have reasons to believe that you and Jeseth are planning to attack TSE." It really bothered me the first time and continued to bother me for a long while.

The last time it happened I swore that I'd just shrug it off like it was nothing. It wasn't like they were accusing me of anything serious like infiltration, just false rumors and lies that had no relevance. They can insinuate and accuse all they want for I care.

I am with you on this Marcus, 1,000%.

Loki Ahmrah

Mar 23rd, 2002, 08:30:35 PM

What I mean is I've had my fair share of the same type of crap. But now I refuse to let it affect me, ever, because they are OOC problems. Who the hell do people think they are to cause anyone else such grief due to such unbelieveable ill-founded rumours.

TSE presence at TSO during the alliance was evident because behind the scenes you could literally feel the bad vibes leeching their way inside. I say let them wallow in their den of suspiscion and paranoia. Perhaps when they realise no-one cares about their petty issues then they'll snap back into reality.

I'm getting myself annoyed now over this, and I promised not to - so I'm gonna close here. I really wish we didn't need to have these types of discussion. :(

Morgan Evanar

Mar 23rd, 2002, 08:30:37 PM

I'm doing my best to get to the bottom of this. I'll be calling the company that this was posted through on Monday morning.

Hopefully they will have logs and be cooperative. Still, I can make absolutely no gaurntees of any postitive identification, or any real results.

verse dawnstrider

Mar 23rd, 2002, 08:34:28 PM

Maybe we are looking at this from the wrong way. Maybe the lack of GJO and TSE RP's cause this. Me and Jedah were going to (and still will if the people that wanted to still wish to) a RP with the two groups. Rumors start from the unknown from what I can tell. Maybe we should try and do more joint RP's of Sith?jedi so that they have no reason to say people are plotting.

Anbira Hicchoru

Mar 23rd, 2002, 08:52:34 PM

In all due respect, that is pointless and will do nothing.

RP's are already done between Jedi and Sith, and even between the "cliques" and the "paranoid freaks". They're out on page one or two even. It doesn't change a damn thing.

Some people are just so convinced that somebody's out to get their precious pile of crap, that they'll do anything to stop it. Even if its illogical, insane, and what have you.

I have had my problems with TSE before, and the people within the group. They questioned my character OOC, and thats something I won't even let a family member get away with. I've since made peace (at least I think so) with these people, but I'm not turning deaf ears to whats still going on. Its becoming less paranoia and more overt harassment.

Nevertheless, we can't forget whoever orchestrated this leak. Their wrong isn't validated by exposing a wrong. Definitely a moral quandry we're looking at.

Marcus QDunn

Mar 23rd, 2002, 09:06:03 PM

Well, I think that someone is playing to the paranoia. I dont actually hold TSE responsible - someone is playing TSE like a lute and doing it well. I'm now pretty sure who is the root cause of this, especially when I go back through my memory and think about a person's past actions.

There is a name and it is one person who is the root cause.

No, TSE are paranoid, but in some ways they have reason to be. Someone is out to bring them down and is willing to pull hacking stunts and infiltrations to do it.

That same person has in the past accquired a GJO admin password, has tried to get mine, has tried to manipulate others to their own benifit. After chatting to Chris, it's much clearer what's going on.

Anbira Hicchoru

Mar 23rd, 2002, 09:16:16 PM

I know who you mean...and yeah, she's prime suspect material. Unfortunately, all we have are suspicions. She's also about the only valid target of all the paranoia TSE is venting to dozens of other honest people.

Thats what sucks, they're trying to smear everybody. Like swatting a fly with a bazooka, and writing off the collaterals as acceptible loss.

Jedi Knight Leia Solo

Mar 23rd, 2002, 11:56:21 PM

OH BROTHER!!!!!

<img src=http://www.thegjo.com/forum/smileys/let_it_all_out.gif ALT=":grr">

I've been accussed of the CLIQUE thing too well, in the past! Suggestion:

IGNORE STUPIDITY!!

verse dawnstrider

Mar 24th, 2002, 01:18:08 AM

I meant no harm in what I said LL. It was just a shot in the dark. I do not wish there to be conflict in the boards. It ruins The Game. I feel bad for both sides. 'The clique' for that being posted, and TSE for being hacked. Can't we just forget this even happened?

Morgan Evanar

Mar 24th, 2002, 02:14:09 AM

No, because some serious sjit is up. And my guns aren't aimed at TSE at all.

Like I said, I'm content to let them wallow in whatever bizzare consprital deliusions they are free to draw up.

No, I want to find out who pulled this.

Marcus QDunn

Mar 24th, 2002, 06:53:58 AM

People, if you have anything on any of this, contact Morgan or myself with your information.

We have a name and with any luck, we'll have this 100% proven in a day or so.

Keep the faith. We're nearly there.

Anbira Hicchoru

Mar 24th, 2002, 08:48:29 AM

Verse, no offense taken. Just being a pragmatist I guess.

I want this crap over. Its obviously not a healthy obsession for those involved at TSE, and its hurting those being accused, while the one doing it is getting away scot free.

Marcus QDunn

Mar 24th, 2002, 10:23:27 AM

Well, I for one am satisfied with the proof now. They will be banned from here shortly.

Aura Allei

Mar 24th, 2002, 01:16:29 PM

**Aura and Zena get a headache**

Yes, as I have told Marcus and Eileen, and a couple others, I rp Dark Lady Zena at TSE as a Sith Apprentice to Jedah Lynch. I rpd both sides of the star wars realms for 2 years now. I know there are accusations flying about. I dont believe in OOC bickering, never have, even in the OOC infested pool of talk city.

I havent heard much of what is going on, since I am without an AIM, and am rather new to the boards. I have no knowledge of these attacks, just what I view at the boards. Jedah Lynch and Dara I know to be true dedicated rpers, who are also not into these OOC attacks. Jedah declined to talk to me about it, just to spare me from the bs. I dont know the other Council leaders well, but I am gathering they feel the same way and detest these attacks as well.

Please dont be biased against TSE. Whomever is instigating these OOC bombardments, obviously holds a vendetta against TSE. Hopefully the culprits shall be apprehended in the near future so these attacks will be nullified.

I know it is effecting alot of rpers with their posting. Zena hasnt beeen trained in a couple weeks. I cant blame Jedah. He is a nice guy rl and a true rper, as is Dara and a host of others at TSE.

Morgan Evanar

Mar 24th, 2002, 02:45:17 PM

A lot of what you said is very easy to say when you aren't being labled as a conspirator.

I've changed my mind about them: they're very very way to serious about this sort of thing, and are paranoid. But they're also obviously misguided. I'm more than halfway convinced we're all being played the fool.

Edit: Didn't see the post we're referring to, did you Aura?

Marcus QDunn

Mar 24th, 2002, 07:24:02 PM

Oh yeah, we have all been had.

The person resonsible for this and a lot more is now banned here, at TSE, soon at TSO and I bet SWFans shortly too

Aura Allei

Mar 24th, 2002, 07:49:41 PM

Like I said, I dont know about all this. Have the logs? I dont know what has been going on between the groups.

**gets another headache**

what post?

Marcus QDunn

Mar 24th, 2002, 07:59:32 PM

You really dont want to know Aura, you really dont. What was posted blew open a plan by one person to take down TSE. There was also a lot of lies and false accuaations circulated by this person against a few players as well.

Aura Allei

Mar 24th, 2002, 08:05:49 PM

Yeah I want to know, lol. I came from talk city. OOC insults are not alien to me, though I tried to steer clear of the verbal projectiles. Can you PM me the situation?

Ryla Relvinian

Mar 24th, 2002, 08:09:02 PM

IMHO, just let those people accuse and accuse until they are blue in the... until they realize they are being pathetic. The main reason I went awol for a while was because I didn't like people who took advantage of other players. I don't know the inner workings of what is going on, and personally, I don't want to. I'm just saying that there is no law (at least here in Oregon, that is) against being stupidity. People will bring themselves to the surface to be swept away all on their own, both in and out of character.

</rant>

Aura Allei

Mar 24th, 2002, 08:27:28 PM

Seems there is a severe case of ego clashing being the root of this nasty business. It is a shame anyone has to be subjected to this nonsense.

If everyone hugged a rabbit, maybe they would see how crazy and wasteful all this OOC bickering is.

**Now has '4' house trained wabbits, and introduces the new female bunny rescued by a certain 'careless' pet shop owner, "Spook" to the RPG community.** <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)">

Salemn Lysce

Mar 24th, 2002, 10:32:02 PM

I have some Sith characters myself, but just the thought of infilitration disgusts me. I merely play several characters just for the joy of RPing, as several of you can relate to. Whoever this person is, I merely ask, do they have no morals or conscious ? :|

Ugh .. Another thing that bugs me is the OOC bickering. I mean, it's amazing at how childish people can be.

Anbira Hicchoru

Mar 25th, 2002, 12:27:19 AM

:: eats the rabbit ::

I am unabashedly me. If I say something that steps on your toes or you don't like it, then go bitch to your psychiatrist. People already tell me I'm too nice. Maybe its time I took advice, and stopped sugarcoating my personal interjections.

Aura, it is impossible for you to make an inferrence on this matter, sufficely to say. Just stay away from it. Alot of folks have been smeared by allegations in an unjust manner, and I'd say its about equally as wrong as what the infiltrator has done. Yes, I will help those at TSE fix this issue.

But I don't forget. And I can only forgive so many times when this issue repeats.

Aura Allei

Mar 25th, 2002, 09:42:06 AM

Well I do know bits and pieces from 'hearsay' by numerous accounts, so can deduce a logical presupposition on the causations, but you are correct, I havent viewed the entire panorama of the episode.

I meant no offense to any involved by my statement of 'egos clashing', but there does seem to be an epidemic with them on the boards.

**Aura does the heimlich maneuver on Anbira, and the rabbit is ejected from his interior unscathed, as the Force is with the innocent creature.** :P <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)">

AmazonBabe

Mar 25th, 2002, 03:07:08 PM

Well, I for one back you DT, and will inform you and/or Morg if I run across anything.

To say when I saw the original thread gave me a migraine would be an understatement. <img src=http://www.thegjo.com/forum/smileys/blah.gif ALT=":-|"> And I for one want to see this BS stopped. And if that means dealing with one situation and one person at a time, so be it.

Xazor

Mar 25th, 2002, 03:11:29 PM

I am getting bits and pieces of this story, Marcus could you PM me so I am not in the dark?? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)">

verse dawnstrider

Mar 25th, 2002, 07:44:35 PM

I have a pet bunny named Belle. She is a dwarf ruby eye one. Grey and white with red eyes, yet is only the size of my palm.

Marcus QDunn

Mar 25th, 2002, 07:48:14 PM

Morgan and I dont worship a bunny named Bun-Bun.....

When we hear KA-KLICK, we run!!

Aura Allei

Mar 25th, 2002, 08:40:49 PM

Cool Verse. I own a pure dwarf, 'Gizmo' and 3 mixes.

**shakes the hand of a fellow bunny owner.**

Go to
www.rabbit.org (http://www.rabbit.org)
to learn how to train and other info. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)"> welcome aboard.

Rabbits rock!

Anbira Hicchoru

Mar 25th, 2002, 10:53:24 PM

They destroy crops, and taste like chicken.

Navaria Tarkin

Mar 26th, 2002, 12:04:21 AM

One reason my lack of presence has been around here has been because of this. I took a few days off to get away from this insanity and honestly, seeing your name slandered doesnt help -_- especially since i had nothing to do with this. Also, I do have a test coming up so I will be back in action wednesday, thursday. I need time to be away from all.... this

:: points to entire thread ::

Anyway, I got two bunnies ^_^ Jean-Paul and Marie. Zey are me french bunnies. Black and white cuties.

AmazonBabe

Mar 26th, 2002, 12:31:40 AM

I used to have five rabbits, one of which was the stweetest grey ball of fluff with floppy ears and big brown eyes you ever saw. But, alas, all five have gone to that big carrot patch in the sky.

*Imagines a bunny with angel wings.*

<img src=http://www.thegjo.com/forum/smileys/spock.gif ALT=":huh">

Estelle Russard

Mar 26th, 2002, 01:46:01 AM

The whole idea of a conspiracy by those mentioned to take down TSE is mindboggling in its outlandishness.

I know its not true.

You all know its not true.

Eventually, hopefully, those in TSE will realise its not true too and we can put all this rubbish behind us.

Aura Allei

Mar 26th, 2002, 10:33:51 AM

French lops Navaria? They must be huge. More to love..<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)"> I own a French Lop mix..Lots of bunny owners in here. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)"> 5 bunnies Amazon? ^_^ Unfortunately, the one female hates the new other female=separate, and both males hate one another=separate. Ever see rabbits fight? They put Sith duels to shame. >_<

As for Anbira's statement, we rabbit owners do have feelings.

We are talking about 'domestic' rabbits btw, who are as loving as cats and dogs, and intelligent animals.

Everything takes like chicken.

I really have nothing else to say on the OOC war, except...

"Why cant everyone just get along?"

Also..I recall a feud between 2 major Dark groups in talk city, almost the exact thing happened there, I should know, I was in one. IPs were banned from talkcity due to lewd statements posted in the room. A few even went as far as to threaten others rl 'via' email. There was jealousy, heavy insults, accusations, slandering, gossiping, just like here.

I came to the boards because I thought it was different here, a place where true role players reside, but I see the same mayhem is plaguing the boards, where a few select rotten apples spoil the whole crop.

If I can help with any of this, I will be glad to offer any aid. I really dont think its fair new ppl are kept in the dark, like Xazor and myself, as well as others. Im older than most of you think, and will not 'break' if given a chance to maybe help iron things out if I can, as I have experience with this from talk city.

But I guess newcomers arent trusted by the veterans, or maybe feel its none of our business. *shrugs* The fact I play a character in the Sith Empire, and am willing to get my hands dirty, may be a liaison you all could use. I doubt this will end, as ppl will always hold grudges, and personalities will clash. If something isnt done, it will only remain a festering boil, and worsten over time.

If you want my help, I will give it. :/

Navaria Tarkin

Mar 26th, 2002, 02:55:32 PM

But I guess newcomers arent trusted by the veterans, or maybe feel its none of our business. *shrugs*

It has nothing to do with this at all, at least for me. I rather those not involved stay that way because the situation is stupid and ridiculous to begin with, I am keeping those away from this utter crap.

People who are involved and need to be are helping to resolve the issues... how that goes, :: shrugs :: dont know... but it is a step.

You are brave to offer assistance tho <img src=http://www.thegjo.com/forum/smileys/crazya.gif ALT=":b">