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Marcus QDunn
Mar 26th, 2002, 07:08:02 PM
Hello,

I guess we have all heard about the attempted hostile takeover of TSE and the slanders that have been flying. Well, here's what I have found out - I'm not not including rumours, these are the straight out facts as I have found out in the last few days

Lady Mara Jade has been banned from here and just about every other roleplay group. It is her that was really behind the attempted takeover / destruction of TSE. She was motivated by personal motives, such as a dislike for the current leadership. She also believed it was her group and was prepared to go to lengths that were previously unimagined to take it over and throw out and IC kill the leaders. She manipulated people and most particualrily one other person, she has hacked a couple of roleplayer's computers and she has manipulated the passwords for RP accounts out of a few players for her own ends. these are not rumours, these are facts. She has betrayed the trust and friendship of a lot of people like myself. Now while these are not bannable offences at SWFans nor here, I sure think they should be.

Thence she is now banned and all known alias are banned as well.

I've been working with TSE peeps to get to the bottom of this and I think she is the ultimate culprit. The other person named alongside of her I think was screwed over like the rest of us and is not blamed, he is still welcome here.

As a sub note to this, I will make it clear that OOC nonsense I now regard as bannable. I know I have made my opinion very, very clear what I think of OOC BS, we now know how destructive it is. I dont know what the guidelines should be for that, I offer that as a discussion - what is acceptible and what is not.

I'm pleased to say peeps did band together and they did face this as one group. As a group people worked out the truth. This gives me some hope peeps really want the OOC bull -DO-NOT-SWEAR--DO-NOT-SWEAR--DO-NOT-SWEAR--DO-NOT-SWEAR--DO-NOT-SWEAR- to stop. I want GJO to continue to remain resonably unaffected, which is one reason Avalon is opened to all with Jedi characters. We have nothing to hide and we only want to roleplay. Keep the stupidity away from us should be one of our mottos <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)">


I guess you might hear Lady Mara Jade did worse than what I stated. In my opinion, yes she did. There is very strong circumstansial proof she did what you may hear. But as it's not 100% solid, thats not why she was banned. She has only been banned for what is proven.

I'm not sure what Chris and Shawn at SWForums will do or what action they will take. Whatever they do, give them your support.

Lessons to be learned? There is no group out to destroy or take over RP. It was only one, paybe two people taking us all for a ride.

On a personal note, I'm fairly deeply saddened it came to this. LMJ and I used to be good friends and RP partners, we did some quite excellent work together. Believe me, I take no pleasure from taking the action I now have.

Your friendly GJO Admin and fellow roleplayer,

Mark

Xazor
Mar 26th, 2002, 07:18:32 PM
Okay, I see now. I thought some things were going on (with circumstances that you mentioned). I did not want to say anything negative because I did not feel that it was my place. I have not heard to much more than that.....I did not have a name to put with the actions. Thanks for not keeping us in the dark, Marcus. We all appreciate it.

About the OOC stuff, I think a discussion is good. We need to prevent things like this, and the only way that we can is if people are aware. Awareness is key to stopping the OOC bs that goes on in RPing. Personally, I think it is ridiculous to take things OOC, though I have done it, I have learned. It is stupid and unnecessary. It totally takes the fun out of RPing and defeats the purpose: enjoyment.

I am glad to see that this has pretty much passed and that the GJO (as you stated) was relitively unaffected by this. If everyone sticks together, we can stop this OOC nonesense. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)"> Thanks for hearing me out.

Jedi Warrior and fellow RPer
~Xazor~

Nichos Marr
Mar 26th, 2002, 07:51:40 PM
Wow, thanks for keeping us informed DT. I just truly hope that everything is settled and we can all get back to roleplaying.

Eldrak Gruuhl
Mar 26th, 2002, 08:50:22 PM
Just as an informative thing let me clarify for those who may not know who I am.
I'm not sure what Chris and Shawn at SWForums will do or what action they will take. Whatever they do, give them your support.Chris would be me...SWFans.Net/Ogre. And for further clarification, the whole of the SWfans staff is working on this issue as a team not just Shawn and myself. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)">

As for details about the situation; at present I am not at liberty to give any, since the issue is still being investigated thoroughly and deliberated amongst the whole of the staff before final decisions are reached. Conclusive proof has been found in regards to some of the issues, but more questions are being raised in regards to other aspects.

I wish I could comfortably say that any actions taken here at GJO, TSE, SWFans and other boards would end all the OOC nonsense, but I can’t. I’m not going to name any names or point any fingers, just try to reassure you all that the staff at SWFans is working as a complete unit to try and resolve as much of this as possible.

AmazonBabe
Mar 26th, 2002, 08:59:22 PM
Thanks for the update, Mark. It's upsetting it had to come to this, but LMJ brought it on herself, sadly.

I too thought of her as a friend, but various things she did to some of my friends, and in some instances, to me and my sis, well, it just hurts. It hurts to know that someone you considered a friend would come around and basically back-stab you.

I just want to see all this OOC crap put behind us. I'm just sick of it.

Luckily, it hasn't affected GJO, or any of the other groups, save for maybe TSE. They're hurting right now from all the lies and whatnots.

I say this an an OOC statement: Don't look at the TSE peeps to be mean and evil. They're hurting worse than all of us put together (though I do understand how some were brought out in a bad light in this whole fiasco). They were directly wronged by the actions of one or two ppl. This shouldn't have happened in the first place.

I just want to see peace, and good ol' RPing. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)">

Navaria Tarkin
Mar 26th, 2002, 09:05:38 PM
I say this an an OOC statement: Don't look at the TSE peeps to be mean and evil. They're hurting worse than all of us put together (though I do understand how some were brought out in a bad light in this whole fiasco). They were directly wronged by the actions of one or two ppl. This shouldn't have happened in the first place

and I do hope TSE realizes this too ... so that way some of the OOC animosity can stop. I am sick of it as much as anyone here at the boards.

And yeah.... what Chris said <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> Still a long and tedious process but we are getting it done <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)">

Estelle Russard
Mar 27th, 2002, 12:46:16 AM
Good news.

edit: clarification- progress = the good news <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)">

Jedi Knight Leia Solo
Mar 27th, 2002, 11:40:38 AM
Great Job Mark <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)"> Kudos!!

Hugs..Dani, Chris and Jenn. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)"> Guys I may have been away for awhile..but you know I have been aware of all this stuff for a long time. You guys are all great rpers and close pals of mine and I hate the bad OOC stuff. Right now..I am biting my tongue about Liz. I am...its hard. I could say some things. I rather not stoop to that level. I am just glad all this is finally over and everyone can relax and enjoy the games.

**Hugs to all you guys**

Lori aka: Leia

Navaria Tarkin
Mar 27th, 2002, 02:33:16 PM
:: huggles Lori again ::

^_^

That is the right attitude to have anyway. Just let it lie, its done with and move on (Which I hope is possible) =\

Jedi Knight Leia Solo
Mar 27th, 2002, 10:48:42 PM
::Huggles Dani::

I totally agree with you. It would be nice if things chill out for now on <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)">

Navaria Tarkin
Mar 28th, 2002, 01:33:19 AM
:: soaks in a tub full of ice cubes and chills ::

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Gurney Devries
Mar 29th, 2002, 05:31:53 AM
Ok, not like it's a huge surprise to anyone, but I'm Nup/Shawn/whatever other names you can come up with for me.

And I'm truly sorry that I haven't been around to do much on this issue. Frankly, I'm still trying to piece together exactly what happened.

First of all, I'm still reeling over everything. LMJ has never personally done any wrong to me. But the evidence, in this case, is irrefutable. I need not emphasize this any more or reiterate the case against her.

At any rate... I'm really at a loss as to what else to say. Once again, I'd just like to thank Chris (Ogre/SWFans.net), Dave (Champion of the Force/Atreyu) and the rest of the staff at SWFans for their hard work. This could have been a lot worse.