Teleporting Jedi

[Navaria Tarkin]

Okay, anyone else besides me and Anbira think this is wacky? We have one of those new Jedi with a list of abilities that far exceeds anyone here and now there is a Jedi in the bar and grill that claims he can do that to.

I also have no validity of Jedi every doing that @_@ nor ever heard of it being possible

Uh .... before we start excepting these people, shouldnt we be all clear what Jedi can and can't do in our universe so that way we can say here, you want to RP here, this is how we do it?

Like I said, Anbira began the OOC debate in the thread I am in... wanted to discuss it here since it is now more then just one guy.

Oh and obviously i don't agree to their abilities -_- forgot to mention that =P

[Loki Ahmrah]

I don't think it is for us to decide what someone's character is or isn't capable of doing. However teleporting, if I remember correctly, appears somewhere in EU and is used by only a certain type of Jedi, very rare. As far as I am concerned, if someone wants to have their character teleporting, such an ability should be given justice and they should not just start roleplaying with such abilities. I'd say it would take a master years of intense training to accomplish anything like teleporting. On a scientific level, it would be too complex to do but I do have to remind myself that this is Star Wars not Star Trek.

As it stands, I disagree with anyone having such abilities without roleplaying very hard to get them for a long time. It's not impossible in the Star Wars universe but should never been dealt with lightly, to break down and reassemble ones atomic structure would be unbelievably draining, it would leave a Jedi Master weakened for quite a while and would take a while to reassamble at least.

Just remembered something as I was writing this, in table-top roleplaying there is an ability called Corporeal Translocation (http://www.roleplayinggames.net/starwars/common_files/power_list.html#Corporeal_Translocation) - check that out.

[Anbira Hicchoru]

I really hate whoever thought up the Aing Ti....cause they made something in Star Wars even more -DO-NOT-SWEAR--DO-NOT-SWEAR--DO-NOT-SWEAR--DO-NOT-SWEAR-ty than the Vong.

But...since it is EU apparently, it cannot be helped. Nevertheless, I don't think padawans with the ability of INTERPLANETARY TELEPORTATION should be allowed at all here.

Teleportation? Maybe. But its gotta be very taxing on the person involved, and its got to be limited. A padawan who winds up learning it should only be able to move a few meters...IF AT ALL. Maybe a little farther as Knight, and farther still as Master. But c'mon...interstellar teleportation? Not even Star Trek can do that, and they are weirdos over there!

I really don't like it, but I will go along with it, within reason :\

[Loki Ahmrah]

Well apparently, according to what I've read in the past, interplanetary teleportation is not unheard of - but there are factors affecting the difficulty of the teleportation. For example, if one wishes to go from one building to the next, but has never visited that building before and has only had it described to them, then it really raises the diifficulty - hence to attempt to travel to a planet you have never visited before, is suicide basically.

I wont agree with Padawan's being able to teleport at all. The degree of control and whatnot is so unreal, a Knight wouldn't even be able to do it. It's like saying a Sith apprentice can create a really small Force Storm or throw a bit of Force Lightning around, but not much.

[Anbira Hicchoru]

Exactly. Its a MAJOR force power to use, and should not be given to people with low rank. Hell, even Anbira has no major force skills. He just takes basic physical manipulations like force push and force pull, and masters those to a very high degree. There's no room on his learning curve for such advanced capability.

[Navaria Tarkin]

I still do not agree with it. Not everything that comes out of the books is a good thing. I remember when the Vong first showed up around here and posted at the Fighting Reality board. Basically, they are new and show up and try to destroy Ogre's base with asteroids within two posts -_-

The same thing is happening here. These players have abilities in the same light. I don't care how well a person can write and play their character, teleporting anywhere in the universe is just well ... lame. Gav pointed out the reasons quite well <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/laugh.gif ALT=":lol">

That might work in the books but not here. I am willing to concede if the power has some serious limitations and is learned through RP's here. No Padawan starts off with ANY knowledge of this power and even then, if they perform the skill, they have not much energy to do anything else.

Also, Padawans should not be coming here and knowing a ton of abilities that even Masters here don't know.

[Loki Ahmrah]

I think we should hold a party in celebration of the Aing Tii Jedi, invite them to the Bar & Gril for the celebrations and then fill the plavce with Ysalamiri. So when they all try to teleport inside, they kinda disappear...like forever. <img src=http://www.thegjo.com/forum/smileys/biglaugh.gif ALT=":D">

[Morgan Evanar]

I think they just might get stuck in the wall.

WAIT A SECOND!

[Ryla Relvinian]

Personally, having no experience/like of EU at all, I think it is a bunch of poo. It is one thing to have one character with a very rare skill, who has mastered it over a lifetime of dedication. It is totally bogus to think that a whole group would be able to do all these things with little training. For example, I think that having a Jedi with natural healing abilities is totally ok, since that is a small ability that most Jedi do have. Teleporting is a different ball of wax. And don't even get me started about crossovers... :]

That said, do we disallow these powers here? What do you all think?

[Anbira Hicchoru]

I'd say allow, but only as a master ability. Teleportation just seems too damn advanced to be given to padawans or even knights. Also, it should strain them severely, so they can't multitask and teleport-bounce all over the place repeatedly.

Things like that. If its in EU, I'm willing to at least give it some breathing room, but not much.

[Morgan Evanar]

I completely agree with Charley. There must be balance in the Force. Its completely a Master only ability, and to move your mass, and displace/replace other mass would be totally draining.

[Helenias QDunn]

Aing Ti are in the Extended Universe.

Unfortunantly.

I tend to think this is nothing more than a power grab by inexperienced players, to bypass our rules and expectations.

[Navaria Tarkin]

Ew... that is an ebil truth ... both points there Helen

Alright ... so far I see this... more people are leaning towards letting the power exist only as a Master power. Also, serious training and side effects will occur is said power is focused on?

Anyone have anything else to add?

[Figrin D an]

I completely agree that the teleportation ability is something that is extremely difficult and is, by far, only possible for a Master.

FYI, this isn't the first time that someone has brought up the Aing-Ti... a couple of years ago, I RPed a little storyline for my character in which he sought out the Aing-Ti to learn about them and their abilities. As a result, my character learned limited teleportation abilities, but we're talking nothing like trans-galactic travel or anything. I bascially set things up so that Figrin could teleport himself, a moderately-sized object (like person-sized), or another person a short distance (about 10 kilometers or so). But, to do so is extremely taxing on the mind and body, and requires multiple RP "moves" to set up and execute.

If you want to use that as a guideline for discussing this issues, that's fine. I just wanted to give you some perspective on what I did a while back. I felt it was okay to use that kind of ability, since the Aing-Ti are EU material, just not in excess and not as something as an insanely powerful as moving planets across the galaxy or something.

[Jedi Knight Leia Solo]

Eww...EU! Well...you all made good points. Does seem a bit much for one to do that unless a Master, but then again its an EU character...Hmmmm...up to you how you handle. Maybe do what Figrin said..discuss it. **shrugs*

[Morgan Evanar]

We have dicussed it:

Master only, takes a long time to set up, draining.

[Marcus QDunn]

Agreed with Morgan and Figrin I do.

[Navaria Tarkin]

I second that... I rather not have the power but if it has to be, Master level only and draining.

[AmazonBabe]

And, I believe from the sources online (and what I have read in the past), it is exactly that, Nav. Only wieldable by Masters, and taxing on energy.

I also found what the Aing-Tii Monks (http://www.starwars.com/eu/feature/20000817/img/aing_tii_bg.gif) looks like.

"Although still part of the galaxy-proper, the Kathol Rift had its share of the unknown. This was perhaps best exemplified by the Aing-Tii monks. Strange chitin-skinned aliens, the Aing-Tii haunted the outskirts of the Rift in their strange streamlined starships. Xenophobic and mystical, the Aing-Tii have the strange ability to navigate even the most difficult areas of the dense Kathol Rift. While dangerous, the Aing-Tii are not so much diabolical as they are enigmatic."

The Aing-Tii Monks are first introduced in West End Games' The DarkStryder Campaign, a series of game books chronicling the adventures of the FarStar, a New Republic corvette and its intrepid crew. (1995)

They are also mentioned, but only briefly (if memory serves me), in Timothy Zahn's Vision of the Future (1998).

I shall retrieve more information from my source books when I return home.

[verse dawnstrider]

Ok, I will be the strange one....I love EU. Thank you for letting me say that. I still think the teleport is WAY to advanced for a padawan though. I really don't like the move at all. I am not saying it should be allowed. I don't like pie, but my mom still keeps it for my bro and dad. I would keep it on a master level.

[Organa Solo]

May I venture to ask just whom proposed this whole idea?


(Just curious, depending on who it is I may have input or not)


*shrugs*

[Anbira Hicchoru]

Vonta, in one of his/her many aliases

[Organa Solo]

<img src=http://www.thegjo.com/forum/smileys/blah.gif ALT=":-|">


I thought so. Vonta has been pestering me over at TRF(you may know it, may not) about resurrecting the same Jedi powers and ways as mentioned here. I don't really embrace the idea all that warmly.


His latest creation is a Noghri Aiing Ti. I thought the idea absolutely absurd, given none of his chars have achieved Knight status and in addition his OOC person is not always the most credable.


Ah, well. Anyways...

[Marcus QDunn]

Vonta, I remember from ages gone by.....

[Navaria Tarkin]

Well AB, it may say that in the books, but that ain't how the newcomers are playing it up -_-

[Anbira Hicchoru]

Thanks for the perspective, Organa. It does help to hear from his/her master at TRF.

<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)">

Now, lets feed Vonta to Cirrsseeto <img src=http://www.thegjo.com/forum/smileys/biglaugh.gif ALT=":D">

[Navaria Tarkin]

<img src=http://www.thegjo.com/forum/smileys/biglaugh.gif ALT=":D">

[Akrabbim]

I have an idea that may differ with yall's. Basically, I see it being ok to give even a Padawan an insane power... if that's ALL they have. For example, Akrabbim can pull off some insane illusions. Course, he has virtually no telekinesis. He can't do a basic Force Push. Honestly, he can't do much of anything except illusion and average Force Reflexes. He has control over his sword and shuriken. That's really it. Thus, I have an insane power, but it levels out. I'm going to make a new character soon sorta like this.

So, the way I see it, sure, let the Padawan teleport. But as a Padawan, teleport about 50 yards, max. Maybe 2 or 3 times a fight. And he's slightly disoriented on the re-entry, so that he can't teleport and swing his saber in one move, as a Padawan at least. And if he misses a teleport, he's shocked into unconciousness. How about that for fair? That way, he could use it creatively to fight. Seem an acceptable compromise to everyone?

[Marcus QDunn]

With some of the evil suggestions that happen in here , you wonder if some of us are Sith in disguise.



:: wink ::

[Navaria Tarkin]

Eh ... teleporting in general, that power alone, is just so abusive.... illusions you can control and I could see a Padawan having limited ability... but teleporting ack ...

What sith? where O_O

=P

[Marcus QDunn]

Akrabbim's suggestion isnt bad tho.

For myself, i have more or less picked out Telekineses as my real power and then understaning fundamentally how matter is connected and it's relationships.

I could like with Akrabbim's suggestion

[Navaria Tarkin]

But it needs to be RPed out big time ... if it is agreed on. I am still adament about it being a Master power.

[Anbira Hicchoru]

Akrabbim is such a thinker <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)">

Kudos, sir <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)">

[AmazonBabe]

A Guide To The Star Wars Universe, third edition (2000)

Aing-Tii

Alien monks who spend most of their lives near the Kathol Rift. Aing-Tii monks hate slavers and believe that while not all events are predetermined, they are all somehow guided. The Aing-Tii have an understanding of the Force, but a different one from the Jedi. They also have a different type of technology, one that includes a star drive that does not employ hyperspace. Instead, their ship makes instantaneous jumps to whatever point in space they want to go.

(Source for material: Vision of the Future, by Timothy Zahn, 1999)

I'm still looking for that Westend Games RP book that the website said these Monks were mentioned in. But as of yet, I haven't really found any mention of the actual beings able to teleport just on a whim.



((Sith? Here?? Surely you jest. <img src=http://www.thegjo.com/forum/smileys/magtongue.gif ALT=":p"> ))

[Helenias QDunn]

If you disallowed most everything in the roleplaying games, I would be a happy woman. Most of it is nothing short of nonsense.

I just cant see how teleporting can be done and I would be lying if I could say I would be able to support it in any form. I know others say that restricting yourself to the movies is narrow and restrictive, but I dont find it so. In fact, I dont believe the rich potential of what could be done as seen in the movies is done yet. The only canon I can accept is the moives and (after some argument with Marcus) StarWars.com. I know I sound like a broken CD, but I for one just can't in all honesty say somethig is marginal or fine, when in my heart, it isn't.

I do think though, my view is the minority one and an unpopular one. Be that as it may, I will continue to say that. I'ts always been a pet annoyance of mine and I guess it always will be.

[Xazor]

I agree with Helenias. Teleporting is kind of a ridiculous thing. If it were to be done at all, I think it should be for Master rank only. I wouldn't see Xazor doing something like that anyway, there are better things to do in battles, fights, etc....

When I came in, I had a past and such, and I could connect to the Force...but I had used the Darkside to access it, I didn't come in with outrageous powers and such. Nothing like, "I can take out a Sith Master by smashing him with my elbow!" <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> And too, like Marcus, I have focused on one thing: illusions. That is my forte and that is what I am best at. I do not try to be a super hero in every field! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)"> I think that some of her abilities are a bit wacked...for a padawan, and she needs to have this explained to her. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)">

These are just my opionions, throw them out the window if you like! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)"> <img src=http://www.thegjo.com/forum/smileys/hideing_behind_computer.gif ALT=":hiding">