REQUIRED - GJO FAQ

[Captain Tohmahawk]

We need to put together one, to summarise our locations, and what new Jedi should know IC about us.

For one, The Temple is not of Arcan IV. It's on the forest moon of Yavin IV. Yavin itself is defended like almost no other planet, it is ringed with defences and personell. What's there is a secret known by the the Jedi and some NRSF. As I remember what is needed to know, I'll add. Can others jog memeory, either by asking questions or adding please?

[Loki Ahmrah]

Just a question about those Yavin IV defenses - is there something other than Temple Avalon that is important there? Because if not, what is with the insane degree of defenses? After all, the Temple is indestructable from the outside anyway, so why all the defenses? Just a question of curiosity really.

[verse dawnstrider]

I agree with Loki. If only the Temple is here, why such stuff? What about a Jedi Fallout shelter? Liek when TSE hit us on Dagobah. we had nowhere to go for a while. We need a place to meet if something goes wrong. Wasn't there space mines around Yavin as well? What about shipyards? Ect....

[Xazor]

oops! okay, I told some guy the temple was on Yavin. Oh well....
Edit: Oh never mind, I was right.......I didn't read the post well. <img src=http://www.thegjo.com/forum/smileys/biglaugh.gif ALT=":D">

[Anbira Hicchoru]

The P's and Q's of Yavin's orbital defenses are rather pointless now, in the face of the new fleet rulings.

[Captain Tohmahawk]

IC The NRSF have interests there.

OOC : Yavin IV is a trap and a big one. Yog, Scorp, Boricua, and I set up the defences to make sure anyone wandering in would stay there and be pounded to atoms. Dagobah wont be happening again. The main point is that if the Jedi's real location was known, it would have attracted TSE, TSO and Imperial attention. The defences were set up to make sure even the Titan would be toast. Extreme paranoia after Dagobah.

[Loki Ahmrah]

To be perfectly honest though, when do the Jedi ever USE Yavin IV. Gav has a history with Yavin IV and I would like to roleplay as him there in the future, this insane amount of protection is quite literally preventing me from roleplaying there. It's more or less telling people they aren't allowed to roleplay there because we don't want you to, in my opinion that's wrong. These defenses have in essence quarantined a planet from the rest of the roleplaying community.

[Jedi Knight Leia Solo]

OOC: Leia & Luke had Daletheria/Navaria there once...trying to convince her that her true path was the Jedi. But..we kept it as though it was after ROTJ...that YavinIV was empty. Later on the Jedi built up that we did all defenses and such. Both were RPs. So, you can say Jedi (meaning Luke & Leia) were on Yavin IV before the Jedi moved there.

Correct me if I am wrong Nav. But I recall that was our RP

[Anbira Hicchoru]

you could always sneak in...a la forest moon of endor etc.

Just because you don't know about the Jedi being on Yavin IV, you nevertheless still KNOW about Yavin IV existing <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)">

[Loki Ahmrah]

I know that, but OOC I know Yavin VI is completely impenetrable, surrounded by mines, can anyone get on and off the planet? If so that's a different story; I don't mind sneaking on the planet, as long as it is possible.

[Navaria Tarkin]

The Fleet rules being revamped... might not need so much secruity but it is needed incase someone does wanna try and do something.

:: looks innocent about Dagobah ::

<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)"> =P

But I can understand Gav's point about it being realistic for anyone to RP something out at Yavin. There has to be a compromise for those that have no ill intent in taking out the Temple to be able to RP in the Yavin system. Maybe the Temple is also hidden on the planet? Course, how does that explain how recruits come here =|

Leia ~ Actually, Luke and Leia took Dale/Nav, since they were still in one mind, to Dantooine <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)">

Necessary for the FAQ for the GJO .. besides Yavin ... is

Arcan
NRSF
Rules of Swforums
How to get/make a sig
Staff at GJO Mods/Admins
Current Knights and Masters that can take on Learners
Current Council

Both the last ones should have email addy's near them incase peeps have questions or something perhaps?

How to get started and where to post so you can ask to get trained ...

Something about the Way of the Warrior ... there isn't much there so how about explaining it in the FAQ so that way maybe you can get more Jedi joining and ...

not related but ... is there a lot of forums on this board or is it just me @_@

[Morgan Evanar]

The needless forum issue has been brought up before, but now isn't a bad time.

Way of the Warrior should go. It hasn't even managed 250 posts in almost a year.

Gen Assembly could easily be combined with Avalon since we instated the new access policy. I think a little simplification would help.

[Jedi Knight Leia Solo]

Good points Morgan. Unless Way of the Warrior is going to be used it should probably leave, be dropped. And now with the helpdesk and all access to avalon...general assembly can be dropped too.

Ummm..Nav..I forgot. LOL..that Rp has been awhile ;) <img src=http://www.thegjo.com/forum/smileys/biglaugh.gif ALT=":D">

[verse dawnstrider]

Those forums need to go bad. I tried to post at Way of the Warrior, but no one replied.

I still favor the idea of honors beging given. People like Yog, Morgan, Myself, Leia, and Sage have been here with the same Char for like over two years. We are surviver of the Dagobah attack and stuff like that. I wouldn't mind #1 GJO flirt back beside my name. Ah..the good old days.

[Navaria Tarkin]

My own Master doesn't remember trying to save me from the Dark Side =(

=P

Yeah, Morg, since everyone has access here, might as well discuss issues here with all the Jedi.

To avoid having something important overlooked, could have a tag in the title or something so that way it can get our immediate attention.

The way of the Warrior could be done in the academy just as easily.

[Marcus QDunn]

I know that, but OOC I know Yavin VI is completely impenetrable, surrounded by mines, can anyone get on and off the planet? If so that's a different story; I don't mind sneaking on the planet, as long as it is possible.

Nothing is impassible. I would imagine a single small ship could find a way in. As long as the sneakage acknowledged and dealt with the defences, it's cool

I'd agree , General assembly can be combined with Avalon.

Warriors is about to be revamped and pushed now I'm IC back.

I'll get to work on a ver 0.1 of the FAQ tonight

[Anbira Hicchoru]

I agree. With the new ruleset, the totally overboard defenses are really not needed.

[Morgan Evanar]

Jerk mode = on


Warriors is about to be revamped and pushed now I'm IC back.

Which you've said perhaps three or four times before. I'm sorry. You should just carry the idea out in threads. Eleven months have passed and it hasn't even ammased 250 posts, which is frankly pathetic.

Edit: I agree with Charley on the defenses... which isn't news. I objected to those defenses in the first place.

[Navaria Tarkin]

I think honestly, that Jedi are to be working together for a common goal.

We are all Warriors, Philosophers and healers in our own ways. We are unique in how we do it.

To have a Warrior Guild goes against the Jedi being an entire entity in my eyes and there isn't enough activity to keep it. I really think it should be done in the Academy or even Arcan, for these sessions about the "way of the warrior".

If there is more of a need for it after the resurrection then we can always make the forum again.

[Jedi Knight Leia Solo]

Hmmm....I do understand Morgan & Nav's points. Afterall it has been stated:

Wars do not make one great!

Obi happens to have that in his sig. Personally that is a belief of the Jedi. We are suppose to be peace keepers and defenders of the galaxy..not so much warriors. Warriors sounds so much like looking for a fight.

Sorry Marcus, but I agree with the rest. :(I know that this concept was your baby. But do we really need this? I am not attacking it, just questioning like the rest the concept behind it.

[Marcus QDunn]

<a href=http://pub56.ezboard.com/fgjofrm7.showMessage?topicID=49.topic>Not true Leia, Wars CAN make one great. Let's not go through that discussion again, I've already shown Jedi Warrior's existed, even if they were rare.</a>


/stubborn mode one

If nothing really has happened, then I will agree to the forum going in three months. I am intendign a morphing that will make it's existance quite necessary. I'll place what I have forward when I have finished working out the final ideas with the better half.

Now, Maybe the new ruleset MAY make Yavin defences obsolete or unneceesary, but the fact is I and others like Yog and Scorpion have put one hell of a lot of hours to design and implimentation. There has been a lot of RP bringing these defense into being, esp. at the old GJO board. Yes I am being a stubbborn Qui Gon type jack ass, but when you've spent the time IC and OOC bringing together a lot of things and even spending three months RP'ing the possession of a world so that the Jedi could have a safe and secure base - would't you be a touch miffed if people want to simply put that work aside? Maybe I am not IC an known Jedi, but I have done a lot of work to make sure Viscera in the past and who knows in the future dont stamp on our setup.

That is the reason that the Warriors and more specifically the NRSF came about. So I and the other memebers of NRSF would worry about that and the defences and setup be our problem and no one else had to be involved if they didnt want to be. I mean, see it from my point of view. Would you want your RP work partially or fully cast aside? If I insisted the same on someone else, I would get shot and rightly so.

Look, if the Jedi feel this strongly, I will point out it became the NRSF's resposibility to defend the Jedi against warfare well over a year ago. The actual defences of Yavin and Arcan are in the hands of the NRSF IC.

I hope you guys can understand where I'm coming from at least. I do see your POV, but can you also see mine?

/stubborn mode off



If you want some forums gone, then the Asylum would be a better target anyway, as well as the link forums. That can be changed to somehting else more suitible

Even with stubborn mode on, I will add if I get completely voted down, I will abide. But I will ask for the chance to really porve what I have in store for NRSF/ Warriors. Three motnhs is what I want.

[Jedi Knight Leia Solo]

O_o Ooooh...was afraid she was going to get panned for that comment!! <img src=http://www.thegjo.com/forum/smileys/bash.gif ALT=":pan2">

Well, I do understand that NRSF does need a home, agreed. I just wanted you to know that I am not against Jedi Warrior, just wanted it to be open for discussion.

Sorry Marcus. I didn't mean anything bad by my comments. They were just my opinon and I was questioning the motive behind it.

[Anbira Hicchoru]

Compromise - ONE month to turn the Way of the Warrior around. In the year its been here, if it was gonna be made into something, it would have happened, but I'm open to at least some kind of trial period. One month is more suitable than three.

As for the defenses, yes I know that you, yog, and scorpion worked hard on those. However, I would say that Viscera has worked 5 times as hard on his forces, and yet him and every other fleeter at SWfans are complying with the ruleset. The overboard Yavin defenses were NOT designed to repel a sane attack force. They were designed to repel the kind of 2000 ship super-attrition nightmare we all knew was possible under the old rules. It had a purpose then. Now, the heightened defenses simply don't have such a purpose. I mean, even if you had a pop gun in orbit around Yavin, it can't be given up without permission. I'm not saying ditch all defenses, but make it sane. Cut that stuff down by a factor of ten, at least. Hell, reserves can be pulled in if need be. Thats what makes these things fun. The US and Russia also worked very hard on building weapons in the Cold War, but they both disarmed a great deal when that insane crisis was over.

[Morgan Evanar]

The NRSF has its own board, which is under-utilized. It makes more sense for it to be under the umbrella of the NR board, Home One, or act fully independently.

Way of the warrior? Old frelling hat. Every time you've said you were going to do something with it, it never materialized. Do something with it in the coming month.

Those defenses were a knee-jerk to what happend at Dagobah quiet some time before, and even if the new fleet rules don't swing, no one is moving, and GJO is fleetless as it stands. So what are we so worried about? I already explained that in my opinion the defenses made were obscene and uneeded, and that hasn't changed.

[Navaria Tarkin]

On the defenses, I agree with Anbira. I mean, I completely understand why they are there because of Visc and the insane fleet rules. Depending on what happens with the discussions at Fleet Forum... there should be talk of what we really need as defenses.

As for the Forum, honestly... it has been around awhile and now you want to revamp it? What you are proposing to do really should have been done previously but ... I will compromise of course. Everything does deserve a chance. Time limit of a month? Seems harsh to me. Some RP's take forever so 2-3 months makes more sense to me.

I do understand as well, the NRSF is imporant and it is your baby DT. Trust me ... I understand well ^_^ Just for different personal reasons

Lastly, the links are good. Keep them. new people here see them and can go to places we RP at and where our enemies are. Taking that away is bad for they newbies.

Fett's place can go down. I agree and forgot to mention that actually. I don't think anyone uses that.

[Gurney Devries]

The GJO is fleetless? If so, that basically renders you invulnerable to fleet attacks. Drop the defenses, forget about fleets, and just keep RPing the way you want to - not the way some meglomaniacal rule lawyer with set of ships wants you to RP.

[Navaria Tarkin]

Yes, but if NRSF is protecting GJO and they have fleets, kinda makes that point null and void yes?

[Gurney Devries]

@_@

ack... too complicated! <img src=http://www.thegjo.com/forum/smileys/magtongue.gif ALT=":p">

[Navaria Tarkin]

OMG <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> I confused you!!! See, that is why I don't get into fleets .. confusing ...

Hope that changes ^_^

[Morgan Evanar]

NRSF is fleetless.

At least it should.

[Navaria Tarkin]

Okay ... cuz I was confoosed about the NR and NRSF since they are all under the New Repbulic

[Master Yoghurt]

About defenses, I am lazy, so I will just copy and paste my convo with Anbira:

VaderLoungie: so what do you think?
Master Yoghurt: Not finished reading, but I think Sith should be allowed to roleplay on Yavin IV.
VaderLoungie: I mean its a different era now
VaderLoungie: we don't have to worry about TSE pulling a 1000 ship invasion fleet, etc
Master Yoghurt: They could evade the minefields by a small fighter. Being Force sensitive they should be able to maneuer through. Recruitment center would be based on Arcan IV, and the initial training would take place there. But yeah, I agree the circumstances are different now.
VaderLoungie: new rules, new war, etc
Master Yoghurt: The only reason those defenses are there is, we actually intend to stay there.
VaderLoungie: yeah
VaderLoungie: it was do defend against a viscera-sized fleet
Master Yoghurt: Yes
VaderLoungie: which the new rules kinda eliminate the need for
Master Yoghurt: Hmm.. you might be right
VaderLoungie: well think about it
VaderLoungie: the only reason Vis or anybody would send a fleet that big is to prevent it from being squashed by another party using their whole fleet to defend against it
VaderLoungie: thats why reasonable sizes couldn't be reached
Master Yoghurt: Visera might not do it anylonger, but I am not sure that is the case with everyone. The Jedi are not actually very interested in fleet roleplaying. Are personal fleets still allowed?
VaderLoungie: they will be, but its all done on the consensus now. Nothing can be done with a big fleet without permission anymore
Master Yoghurt: I see your point, however, even if permission is requested to overtake a planet, that does not prevent a fleet from attacking a group that mainly does not want to get involved in fleet roleplaying. Scenario: NR members are away, a fleet attacks, and there will be OOC mess. The defenses were also meant to discourage from penetrate the system.
Master Yoghurt: * preventing fleets entering the system I mean
VaderLoungie: yep
Master Yoghurt: I think it would be reasonable to lower the defenses to accomodate non-fleet players a route to the planet
Master Yoghurt: But not necessarily remove them
Master Yoghurt: This could be included in the FAQ, explaining the possible routes to the planet.
Master Yoghurt: Of course, the optimal thing is removing those defenses alltogether, but I am not sure how realistic it is.
VaderLoungie: well I would say maybe 1/10th the defenses would be necessary
Master Yoghurt: I would think, either there is a need for defenses or not. If there is, I would concider how clever it is lowering them. I have a feeling some might exploit it. Do I sound paranoid, lol
VaderLoungie: hehe
Master Yoghurt: Sorry for bein slow replying, lol. Chatting with Nup. I would have to think about it. You are right Yavin IV should be open for roleplay.
Master Yoghurt: It is more a question how to go about it really
VaderLoungie: yeah :-)

[Navaria Tarkin]

I am with Yog. I am paranoid. When I was at TSE, I was paranoid too ... and then Visc came along and said a war was going to start -_-

With the rules being revamped, there are those that might exploit them ... so being highly cautious is still good <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)">

I really like the recruitment center on Arcan. Easy enough to take a shuttle to Yavin.

[Anbira Hicchoru]

With the new ruleset there is little/no firm rules to actually loophole. You can't invade a planet without permission, just like you can't kill/maim without permission. And it will also put fleets on a consensus system, and free fleet RPers to comfortably RP with reasonable-sized attack forces.

To be blunt: there's no risk involved in it. Period.

[Master Yoghurt]

You can still blocade the system, blow up the Temple and causing all kinds of nasty stuff we dont want though. We (the Jedi) are not interested in fleet roleplaying, so why should we write invitations for fleet visits? Lets concentrate on the original issue here; how to make Yavin IV a location people can roleplay. Those defenses are our insurance policy against future OOC mess.

I would be more than happy to reduce the defenses, providing the above scenarios did not happen. Like I said earlier, it is more a question of how. Small ships like fighters, would be able to sneak through with some modifications.

[Anbira Hicchoru]

Thats even simpler. The Jedi are a non-fleet entity...and such things simply can't happen...period.

[Master Yoghurt]

So what you are saying here, Yavin IV would simply be declared a non fleet zone?

[Navaria Tarkin]

But what about the NR .. they are allies with the Jedi. Doesn't that make us a target because of it O_o

[Anbira Hicchoru]

No, I'm saying that since the Jedi have been declared a non-fleet group, that even having hardware to deter a fleet here is dumb. And quite frankly, this rule might go the way of the do-do anyways, once the new ruleset is in place.

I mean, an enemy fleet could only blockade, invade, destroy targets on planet etc with permission. So I really don't see what the fuss is about, even if its decided to allow Yavin IV as a fleeting zone. Either way is risk-free, and no need for the ridiculous defenses here.

[Master Yoghurt]

Well, actually, it was the NR who set up the hardware (equipment is highly automised). The Jedi never really were that much involved in fleets anyway, partly because of lack of interest, partly because it makes little sense IC. Call me old fashioned, but I think it is the NR and the Empire who should play with ships.

About fleets not allowed to blockade or attack a planet without permission, I did not read that anywhere in the fleet rules proposition. I thought only invasions were disallowed in order to prevent planetary take over. It might be a good idea stating that specifically to avoid confusion.

[Loki Ahmrah]

That it should be, but the entire concept behind the new fleet rulings is common sense. The same that applies to other roleplays, meaning fleeting in the SWFans Universe as a whole has completely abolished the old way of having all kinds of rules and stipulations laden with loopholes and instead now exists the policy that if one of the involved parties doesn't want something to happen, it wont. It really is as simple as that, there is absolutely no more need for fear or paranoia now. Roleplaying assets ranging from lightsabers and limbs to temples and planets fall under the same insurance policy.

As a result, such insane planetary defenses are completely unneccessary and keeping them there is pointless. They were put in place to make sure that Dagobah didn't happen again as there was no insurance policy that exists now. But that era has ended; you want Yavin IV to go untouched, it will. It can't be more black and white, and I say that with a huge sigh of relief after witnessing many OOC atrocities regarding fleet roleplaying in the past.