Possible Idea on Council.

[verse dawnstrider]

This is Just a thought mind you. Why not have the eight person with the most votes be a reserve/fill-in member? I know not all the memebers can be here at once. Some times people take breaks or hav eto be away for a while. This would help with that. If I am on Council, but can't be on teh Comp for a week, teh fill-in can take my place till I return. That way we would have less chance of a 3-3 vote. Just an idea.

[Marcus QDunn]

Actually, many moons / years ago, when I first stood down from Council, I had the right of casting vote. It's A) never been used and b) like a few traditions, newer people dont know and c) never actually recinded.

Also, traditionally, the person with the most votes and not on the Council does indeed / should fill a replacement role as you suggested.


Maybe with GJO growing, nine on the Council is justified.

[Gurney Devries]

And this would have nothing to do with you currently being in 8th place in the voting thread, right?

[Xazor]

Maybe we should make ten places....no, seriously. (I am not saying that either because I happen to be in ninth place <img src=http://www.thegjo.com/forum/smileys/biglaugh.gif ALT=":D"> ) I am serious. There are a lot of new people at the GJO and it is growing quite a lot. I think that with ten active members, we should be able to get a ton done, in a less amount of time. Maybe you could even make like, a task list. Certain things that council members should do and things like that. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)"> Of course, these are only ideas, but I thought it was a good proposal. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)">

[Loki Ahmrah]

I don't think ten members are neccessary to be honest, but I do agree that a stand-in, as it were, would be ideal. Although I don't think that can be applicable now. Just like the other proposal regarding Padawans after a month, I think it should be implemented for the next Council Vote - after all, people have only been giving in seven votes. It would only mean we'd have to backtrack and edit our votes once again.

[Xazor]

We could always have a re-vote. It would clean up the thread anyway and make things more understood. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)">

[Navaria Tarkin]

Then if that is the case, a re-vote should have started after the discussion of Padawans had the right to vote or not.

No... this dicussion of how many council memebers and how long a padawan needs to be here before voting is for the next vote. You can't just start changing things in the middle of a vote as Marcus said in another thread.

As for the council. There is no reason to have more then 8 in my mind, with having a stand in. I like that idea. Had to be done when Leia stepped down and Akrabbim needed to take her place. TSE is huge in its own right and they have 5 Council Members so needing a bigger Council is not necessary. Vote for people that are active and you know can do a good job.

I am not liking how some look here. It is like they want to add Council Seats so they have a better chance of getting on the Council.

Being on the Council is NOT the end all, be all of a Jedi. Look at Qui-Gon <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)"> Numbers do NOT matter, it is who is on the Council that matters that are active that does. That is why it is the responsibility of the voters to make an informed decision. Then most of the issues brought up in this thread are taken care of.

Also, the big Council didn't work which is why we are now back down to the 8 person Council.

And it isn't like no one has a say in here. Avalon is open for all... just the Council Members have the last say on things. the world doesn't end if someone takes a break people. And I like to add, being gone for a few days isn't detrimental to the RP. RL takes prescendence over the RP.

It's one of the reasons I came here anyway, to the GJO. More laid back and free.

[Xazor]

Okay...I really wasn't suggesting more seats so that I could be on it. That isn't the case at all. I just see that when things are being voted upon and such... take promotions. There needs to be a good majority of votes, and with recent promotions there was like, one person voting on Monday...then Tuesday..someone else, then by Thursday there was another. I was just suggesting that so in the case of something important like a promotion, there are plenty of active members available. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)">

[Dasquian Belargic]

I think as long as the people on the Council are performing their duty with some regularity and are fairly active, 8 members is well over enough. Adding to the Council seats would only create more people to vote on things really <img src=http://www.thegjo.com/forum/smileys/magtongue.gif ALT=":p"> Also, I think if you start to add to the number being elected to the council will be cheapened. I like to think of it as a goal of sorts, though it's not really that important. Striving to become a part of the Council is a long time aim, one that shouldn't be so easily achieved.

Take TSE, look at all the available Lords who could be on the Council (I'm not being bitter here, no <img src=http://www.thegjo.com/forum/smileys/magtongue.gif ALT=":p"> ) - but they limit it to 5 people. This makes for more of a drive amongst the members.

[/end useless point] <img src=http://www.thegjo.com/forum/smileys/biglaugh.gif ALT=":D">

[Navaria Tarkin]

<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> at Dasquian... not bitter <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/laugh.gif ALT=":lol">

What he says reinforces my point about too many people on the Council. Like I said too, it didn't work hence it being tone down to eight.


I was just suggesting that so in the case of something important like a promotion, there are plenty of active members available.

Which is why you vote for people that ARE active like I said... problem solved <img src=http://www.thegjo.com/forum/smileys/magtongue.gif ALT=":p">

[Xazor]

<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/laugh.gif ALT=":lol">

Okay, it was just a suggestion. I see some very non active peeps (whom shall remain nameless) being voted upon. There should be some kind of rule about that... <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/laugh.gif ALT=":lol">

Maybe we should have ambassadors and such things *is hit over the head with a pan* okay, I'll stop giving my senseless suggesstions... ;)

[Navaria Tarkin]

Acitivity is part of it...so is experience and trust. I thought I was clearer on that. Each part is important <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)">

[AmazonBabe]

Actually, the whole amassador/diplomat isn't such a bad idea. But I think, in general, that's what jedi's are anyways (in a sense of the term).

And as to the number of Council members, I thought 8 was a good number, and upping it one wouldn't be bad. What I don't want to see is this overly huge Council. It really isn't neccessary for the points already given (i won't repeat them).

Just my two cents.

[Marcus QDunn]

As long as the Council memebrs are actually active 8 will be fine

[AmazonBabe]

People do their best. And that's all I expect from them.

[Gurney Devries]

Really, people vie for council positions far too fervently for their own good. I mean, what exactly does the Council vote on, usually? Padawan promotions (almost all of which are approved, since a Padawan is hardly ever suggested for promotion prematurely).

I mean, it makes sense from an IC-standpoint to have a council, and it's good to establish a hierarchy and all, but some people get it in their heads that it gives them some sort of power. Let me tell you: It doesn't.

I know one person who was genuinely bitter because he kept getting passed over for a seat on the Council. As much fun as this is, let's try to keep in mind that these are make-believe characters in a make-believe world. And, above all, it's not about "winning" or achieving a higher rank than someone else... it's about having fun.

[Xazor]

Yeah, an ambassador/diplomat thing did sound cool, to take care of "legal" issues or things with the government. That is what I took upon myself in the thread with the Senator. <img src=http://www.thegjo.com/forum/smileys/biglaugh.gif ALT=":D"> I thought that would be kinda cool. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)"> *votes for self as a Jedi Ambassador* <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/laugh.gif ALT=":lol">

[Anbira Hicchoru]

I disagree on the ambassador idea. I think ALL Jedi should be ambassadorial in nature, to some extent, and the council should appoint them to ease a crisis at will.


Oh and as for council size...has anybody else seen the show "Eight is Enough"?

Nuff said <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)">

[Jedi Knight Leia Solo]

8 is Enuf! LOL..Anbira<img src=http://www.thegjo.com/forum/smileys/biglaugh.gif ALT=":D">

Well..I go back to 8 or 9 max. just my 2 cents

[Navaria Tarkin]

throws in another penny and makes it 3 cents <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/smile.gif ALT=":)">

[Figrin D an]

*** Points to personal title ***

Being an ambassador is something that is expected of a Jedi, regardless of rank... we're the "Guardians of Peace and Justice in the Galaxy." It's all part of the job, not just pummeling the bad guys.

The Council size:

We can look at the size of GJO now compared to the size at the last Council votes, and determine if a size increased might be warranted, but for the NEXT council vote, not this one.

[Sage Hazzard]

I am certain that for the next council, or perhaps the one after that, we might need 10. They'll be a flood of new people who are worthy and people getting more active, this is because of the movie. I bet Warren and Nichos will come back after the movie, as will others. It'll be too hard for me to nail down 7 after more people get active, so I'll be asking for 9. 10th is Yogy.

I don't really care about being on the council. Sure, it's an honor, but like someone said here, it's not that big a deal. I think I'd do a good job, but I don't mind if I'm on it. Of course others might not feel the same way, but that might be because I'm a Master and have some say in matters anyway.

[Oriadin]

For me, eight counsil members are ample. As for having a stand in im not so sure. Maybe have a stand in if people are going to be off for some time but as for having someone to make a deciding vote, I strongly disagree. If a situation arises where the councils decision is split, then it should be discussed amoung themselves until someone changes their mind. If there is a split decision then its obviously a difficult choice and shouldnt just be decided by an outsider because its a tie. It has to be discussed to determine whats best. IMO

[verse dawnstrider]

I never really said we need more, only maybe one/two fill-in(s) in case people have to go MIA for a little while. I personal hope the council will do more that vote on just promotions. I will bring up the idea of missions again when all is done with in this vote.

[Navaria Tarkin]

Ah missions ... with new people that would be good, especially the Padawans

:: hint hint ::

When they are ready of course. Gotta learn how to RP at swfans sometimes.

(grumbles about irentios thread taking too long -_- ...)

[verse dawnstrider]

::grumbles as well.::

"We should just move that bad boy on. Ok, we are attack two Jedi. Chaos wants to kill things..hehe <img src=http://www.thegjo.com/forum/smileys/evil.gif ALT=":evil">