Regarding: Escorting Service thread

[neo_sapien]

Sorry to drag a fleet onto your doorstep, DT :\ I know that's rather unkosher, but we're stuck between a rock and a hard place here.


In the previous thread (My own Life to Live, or something), it was mentioned that the Death Fleet armada went to Arcan IV, hence why we thought it was there. If we are mistaken, where has the DF armada been re-moved to? We could then RP out tracking them down, and gathering that info.

Again, I hope that this hasn't gotten you in any distress. We don't have any intention of invading Arcan IV.

[Telan Desaria]

It is in the best interests of all involved parties that we find that Fleet.

Would you-the NRSF-please do us the favor of telling us where the Death Fleet is so we can be saved the trouble of being FORCED to locate it ourselves...

Said on independent authority...

Telan Desaria

[neo_sapien]

Just to clear some things up, Telan:

DT is a friend. OOC, not IC. I told him on AIM a while ago that I wouldn't try to take over Arcan IV, because that's been his planet for about 2 years. No threatening of friends.

[Morgan Evanar]

Besides, the casualties you guys would suffer planetside would be obscene.

[neo_sapien]

:lol

I laugh at your snide footnote.

[Strider]

Really I'd like to see you try....

Gosh what fun ^_^

[neo_sapien]

*reads the title again*

Escorting service? o_O
What the hell was Khendon thinking! :lol

[neo_sapien]

Oh yeah, and people who want to beat the crap out of TGE in planetary combat don't choose to opt out of military RP :)

[Marcus Telcontar]

Actually Vis, I actually dont know where they are IC or OOC. IC, the person who might know isnt there and is rather dead. OOC, I dont know where any of the fleets are. All we have is a few Not To Be Used Agaisnt Other Players ships and since we withdrew fro fleeting, I honesty dont follow a thing.

Sorry man, I truly cant offer anythng better.. Gimme a hoy when I get on AIM

[neo_sapien]

Well..did anyone move them? Because if not, the death fleet armada is still at Arcan IV.

[Telan Desaria]

I humbly apologize for my comment. It was not aimed at Arcan IV or Herr DT, more at the New Republic leadership who probably also knows where the ships are, since having ana amrada of that size floating around space would pose a serious security risk.

Besides, I relish the thought of letting my men loose inisde the bountiful and seemingly endless New Republic. Actaully, we long for any combat. The Thyfera Sector Fleet's getting rusty. Luckily, I am being restrained my politics and my leaders, who are not merely warriors, but can take in the political scheme of things, as I cannot. I honestly have no diea how a war between the two major powers would affect the rest of the galaxy. Probably make shipping a lot harder, with debris and a firefight around every corner...

Devilishly grins...

Apologizing again, Fleet Admiral Telan Desaria

[Darth Viscera]

-_-

Everyone in that thread, link to a post where all fleet assets are placed. Do not put them directly in the thread.

http://pub24.ezboard.com/fgalacticmilitaryalliancefrm44.showMessage?topicID =68.topic

There's a thread that contains all ships in all nine divisions. Please link there, rather than clogging up the thread.

[Charley]

a force of more than 50 ships in a single system = stupid.

But thats my personal interjection in the matter. If you guys want to keep track of this, good luck with your Excel spreadsheets -_-.

[Marcus Telcontar]

Dont care where you do your fleet fighting, just keep it away from me :p


They must have been moved, cause Arcan IV is out of fleets. Anything the NRSF had that is legal would have to be legally handed over / scrapped / moved and as I dont care much as for the present staus of what's going on fleet wise, I have no idea IC or OOC where they are. All I know they are NOT around Arcan IV.

[Darth Viscera]

No problem there. The fleets have just now left Arcan IV.

[Sumor Rayial]

a force of more than 50 ships in a single system = stupid

I didn't add them all up, but I figure there is more than 300 ships there. Hope you got good helm officers Vis :b

[Darth Viscera]

I can think of 2 instances in Star Wars that leave the 50 ship/system assumption a festering corpse:

Katana Fleet
Jedi/Republic combined fleet (The Sith War)

precedent.

[Darth Vader]

The Katana fleet ships were 600 meters apiece, and there were 100. And they DID show that the idea was really really stupid, as the Katana fleet got lost for a helluva long time.

I don't know about the second example, but the ships there are likely similar-size

[Darth Viscera]

Not all ships in that fleet are 12,800km. In fact, only 9 are. You're forgetting how many 50m interdiction pickets there are. Based on my estimates, about 400km of ships are deployed. Divide that by at least 900, and the average ship is <~445m.

The Katana fleet got lost due to its prototype slave rigging. Your argument is not really relevant, as this fleet is not using prototype slave rigging.

I'll post more info, as well as shots from the comic, about the fleet that was in the Empress Teta system in the Sith War.

[Admiral Lebron]

Another instance of many ships in one stop is the Battle for Yevetha. Like 400 or 500 for the republic if I remember and enough to hurt the Republic for the Yevethan.

[Charley]

Its still quite ridiculous and having 900 ships in military engagement in one star system is like taking the manpower of the Normandy invasion and assaulting Aachen bridge.

[Darth Viscera]

-_-
If it's quite ridiculous, why has it occured so often in the star wars galaxy? I daresay it's not so ridiculous as you believe it to be.

And stop clinging to the concept of one system. I repeat: the fleet will be spread out in more than one system, to do maximum damage. Think Sherman's march to the sea.

[Admiral Lebron]

If it ain't over killing, it's under killing.

[Nichos Marr]

One more instance of more than fifty ships in a system is in the novel Lando Calrissian and the Starcave of Thonboka. 500 Carrack class cruisers were blockading the Thonboka nebula.

[Charley]

If you can adequately RP that much hardware in unison...then I have no problem. The problem is inherent in the fact that even if a fleet battle works to resolution its like this:

Fleeter 1:

I destroy x amount of ISDs, y amount of Dreadnaughts, z amount of other in this post

Fleeter 2:

" "

Fleeter 1:

" "

etc...

You really can't work the detail work into that. No problem having a drawn-out engagement with attacks happening in a series of threads, over time. That way you CAN get that detailwork. But in this case, you spend more time in an excel spreadsheet than you do thinking about the story.

(shrug)

but whatever. What do I know.

EDIT: Moving to Fleet forum

[Adm Garm Bel Iblis]

I can't believe this is still over your delusion that we "stole" those ships. Though I'm glad you're at least being honest about it now and not wasting mine and others' time with the pretense of diplomacy.

IMO, this isn't really about stolen ships ... this is about you being bored and wanting an excuse to have a big fight. It's really kind of sad.

On a side note...

There is no precedent for 9-HUNDRED ships on any campaign. It is utterly ridiculous ... retarded ... laughable ... silly ... it's stupid. And if this mysterious precedent was in a comic or somewhere, well that's why I don't read the DH comics.

Let's look at another aspect of this logically...

Remember how in RotJ, the Empire knew that the Alliance was massing their fleet near Sullust?

And in the books, the New Republic has its own intel division that knew where the Empire was moving their fleets during the war?

If 9-HUNDRED capital ships were massing anywhere, we would know about it. We would have mobilized on such an act LOOOOONG ago. Wars are not just about taking random ships and blowing each other up.

If you were so convinced that we had those Death Fleet ships and needed to know where they are ... you could have tried asking. The people involved might have been able to work together to create some good RP material with ... *gasp* ... a plot.

And why haven't you answered what systems are being abandonded by this half-baked "strategy"?

Some day if you learn the concept of constructing a story and cooperative writing, I may acknowledge your actions. Until then, please take it elsewhere. TGC or any number of other boards would probably welcome you with open arms.

[Darth Viscera]

I'm sorry, but I don't have to put up with that. You have personally insulted me about a dozen times in that post alone, and that's just very much over the border. If I wanted to take verbal abuse, I'd speak to others. Please do not speak to me again until you can learn to compose a post that isn't so personally insulting.

[Gav Mortis]

Garm. Started reading your post, got bored. I'm fed up reading spiteful posts (as are most people here) you're being personal and tactless. There is absolutely no need for it. Heed your own advice:


please take it elswere

:|

This discussion has bugger all to do with me but that sort of thing is beyond annoying now, you didn't need to throw in those personal shots to deliver a decent argument(argument in the discussion sense.)

[Shawn]

I hardly think that we need yet another flame war here, especially since this thread is trying to resolve something. Please try to be a little more civil, Garm.

[Adm Garm Bel Iblis]

I'm sorry. I forgot that the policy is to protect behaviour that intrudes on other people's RP ... but frowns on calling a kettle black in public.

Let me pick out the (hopefully) neutral parts to focus on the point I was trying to make...


There is no precedent for 9-HUNDRED ships on any campaign. ...

If 9-HUNDRED capital ships were massing anywhere, we would know about it. We would have mobilized on such an act LOOOOONG ago.

If you were so convinced that we had those Death Fleet ships and needed to know where they are ... you could have tried asking. The people involved might have been able to work together to create some good RP material ...

Why haven't you answered what systems are being abandonded?

My cander aside ... the fact remains that you keep conducting these major campaigns without the slighest attempt at cooperating with the other side. No one on the NR has mentioned you approaching them about this.

To the mods and those who complain about me, but suffer Viscera...

We have a player who shows us no respect, yet demands it in return. I either have to like it and stay quiet, or take it elsewhere while the mods support this apparant right to do whatever he wants. Fine.

Since it is the admin's policy to protect and encourage this behaviour, I officially withdraw my character from this arena of RP. I never should have tried this in the first place. I hope someone else from the NR steps up to give Vis someone to beat on. But I don't care one way or the other anymore.

You all keep complaining about how fleet RP sucks and needs to change ... yet you refuse to address the painfully obvious problems that keep those changes from happening. Have fun.

And for the record... There are no unwarrented personal attacks made in my posts. No one slapped Morgan for saying that 900 ships was stupid. And Vis's claim about -stealing- ships -is- delusional because it's 1) based on his own imagination and 2) only an excuse for a war ... which he's now proven by dropping the faux-diplomacy thread and just attacking without even pretending to involve us in the decision to start a new RP.

And I'm the bad guy? Whatever.

[TheHolo.Net]

I’ll be completely honest here and hope that no one takes it as flames or me taking sides based on anything beyond my position as a part of the staff, because that is the truth, this is only my opinion.

I find the idea of an armada of 900 or so ships, a majority of them being of capital class, moving into a single sector, far fetched by several miles. It would most likely take several weeks to muster a force of that size into one sector (if not months), and would definitely attract attention during the process, even if they had all been in a single place to begin with, which I highly doubt is the case.

The impression I get of this is somewhat vulgar, but it keeps slapping me in the face when I look at the thread. Its like the guys are gathered together around the table gloating about the size of their “junk” and trying to outdo the other.

Strategically I find it to not be the least bit interesting, compelling, or believable even in our fantasy world. A story type RP like ours tends to be in regards to fleet combat as well as the majority of personal combat needs more room for mystery, reaction, surprise, and suspense than “Poof!! There are 900 ships threatening such and such area of space. What are you going to do now?”

Just because I am part of the staff here does not mean that my personal opinion makes this thread valid or invalid, but I thought I would share my thoughts on what I see. I’m not trying to demoralize any individual or run any one off, just stating how I see it.

[Admiral Lebron]

Actually most of the ships we use are under 300 meters long, and space has no ups nor downs so we can stack our ships all on top of eachother with a mile inbetween each one and still have plenty of space left out there. It's indefinate.

Now, manuvering around a planet is somewhat tricky, with the gravity, but they can form one nice big line and stack themselves again. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

With the grouping, galaxy is a big spot and I know there is more than one space lane to places. All they would have to do for a quick mobilazation is jump from Point A, down to Point B, where they group with more ships and from B to C, where they group with more ships, then C to D, where they group with more ships, then D to E, which is the final target.


I appologize if I don't make sense or contradict stuff, but I haven't slept more than 5 hours in the last 70 hours. So I'll probably be heading off to sleep soon enough.

[TheHolo.Net]

Originally posted by Admiral Lebron
With the grouping, galaxy is a big spot and I know there is more than one space lane to places. All they would have to do for a quick mobilazation is jump from Point A, down to Point B, where they group with more ships and from B to C, where they group with more ships, then C to D, where they group with more ships, then D to E, which is the final target. Why not do some of this in the thread to start and slowly build it up, actually being fair to the other side and providing some realistic build up and backing to what is happening?

Where is the fun in the fact that a sector of space is instantaneously swarmed by an overwhelming force of such magnitude with no build up or suspense, just “Walla! Here we are, deal with it.”? I sure don’t see it, and if I were a member of the NR, I would be tossing my hands in the air and saying “forget it” too.[/personal opinion..not staff opinion]

[Admiral Lebron]

I would to. But I've been in a situation like it. I'm sitting back minding my own business and big fleet comes outta nowhere. Deal with it the best you can.

[Sanis Prent]

I share Dot Net's sentiment.

Large forces = generally cumbersome. Paying a little more than lip service to this at the very least is a good idea.

[Strider]

Uh, guys I hate to break this to you, but if there were a way to get 900 Capital ships into a thread and then somehow get them from not crashing into each other then we would still have the gravity problem.

If any of you have ever watch Lexx?

Well to finish off one of their seasons, the crew went up against a man with more arms then is humanly possible. To beat him they made his arms all go to one place in that galaxy and destroyed a universe...

[Darth Viscera]

Telan, please don't post in that thread.

And answer your PM's.