Intra-galactic war coming soon

[Darth Viscera]

There's much talk about people wanting action around Swfans.net, and I was going to keep this a secret until the fact, but I had a discussion with Charley, and if there's
anyone who could convince me to stick my testicles in a blender because a little girl in Somalia is dying of a protein defficiency, it's probably Charley. I have always trusted his judgement and envied his wisdom, and I most likely always will. Hopefully this
coming action will prevent some of you who are fed up with the system from leaving, and focus some thoughts upon RPing in this RPG.

On Saturday, January 12th, 2002, there will be an attack made upon The Sith Empire by the Galactic Empire. This attack is meant to start up a galaxy-wide war, and no party should be left unaffected. The reason for the attack is still being discussed in the 31 days we have left. I was thinking that the existence of a TSE with its armed forces at its current size would be viewed as an impediment for later Imperial expansion, but Charley says this is not feasible. I'm open to suggestions, perhaps we could make the cause of the war an RP in and of itself.

The purpose of this war is not to destroy a group OOC. I promised Charley that it wouldn't be a blitzkrieg, so it won't. The war will last many, many months, so everyone will have a chance to enjoy it.

Please put on your RPing shoes, and make sure you have a comfortable keyboard for 1/12/02.

[Live Wire]

Oh thank god that clears up a lot of this mess floating around!

[Vega Van-Derveld]

>D Exxxxcellent.

[Varlon Konrad]

I hope you've dug your grave already, Viscera, because TSE isn't going to be taking any Bondsmen from the Galactic Empire.

[ReaperFett]

and if there's anyone who could convince me to stick my testicles in a blender because a little girl in Somalia is dying of a protein defficiency, it's probably Charley



Now THAT is a convincing person :)

[Rama]

Im gonna kick your ass!


















no.......not you Varlon.....the other guy.

[Darth Viscera]

Oh thank god that clears up a lot of this mess floating around!

I still have no idea what that means.


I hope you've dug your grave already, Viscera, because TSE isn't going to be taking any Bondsmen from the Galactic Empire.


Im gonna kick your ass! no.......not you Varlon.....the other guy.

That's gratitude for you.

[Live Wire]

you dont need to know what it means. If you need to know what it means then you already do!

[Darth Viscera]

you dont need to know what it means. If you need to know what it means then you already do!

I'm not going to say it. Prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence, prudence. It's not prudent.

[Sanis Prent]

Well I think its a really good thing to bring that forward and discuss it. Kudos to you Mr. V.

[Rama]

Doesn't Prudence give you the runs? :|



Or am I thinking of something else?

[Gav Mortis]

No, they're called laxitives. There's a slight difference. :)

[Sanis Prent]

or prunes....but I think those just make you pee. Or is that prune juice. I forget :(

[Jedah Lynch]

The why its been posted is not lost though.

This is a good tatical move with all thats been going on.

Vis, since this is suppose to be a war between TGE and TSE does that mean you're going to try to sneak your NR character into this?

Or do "you" just want TGE in this and actually make it a one on one war.

[Sanis Prent]

Jedah, this was posted to alleviate the second-guessing, paranoia, and general goddamned stupidity of the whole situation. Please don't insinuate otherwise. He's trying to play the game without the other garbage getting in the way. It took a lot for him to lay all this out on the line and in public, and I think its a big thing of him to do.

[Darth Viscera]

*sigh*

The New Republic is not related to this attack at all, thus they won't be backing any play whatsoever.

[Jedah Lynch]

All needed to know.

Thank you for you co operation.

:)

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

It's just TSE vs TGE, with no involvement from TSO, right?

[Darth Viscera]

that would depend on TSE and TSO, I think.

[Live Wire]

that is something tso has to discuss......

[Sanis Prent]

Well keep in mind that this is an OOC revelation, and to keep such OOC information as such :)

After all, no point in a sneak attack if people can't keep that separate?

[Varlon Konrad]

Sanis, chill your jets. Jedah asked a perfectly legal question (as Visc is known for pulling fast ones). I found nothing wrong with him inquiring about something that was a possibility, even if it was rather blunt.

[Alpha]

YAY! A war!!! :) :crack :rollin :D :smokin >D :evil

[Severen Morkonis]

let the games begin is all i can say mate....and in rick flairs words..."WHOOOO"

[Admiral Lebron]

Yay! A chance to slaugther innocents and get medals for it!

[imported_Firebird1]

Hehehehe....

I know something.....

[Varlon Konrad]

I know quite a few somethings, Firebird :) As does everyone else. Although what somethings we all know may not be the same as someone elses. And here I go getting all philosophical again.

[Zorak]

Can I snack on their heads?

[Anbiraa Hicchoru]

Well the point of this thread guys is to come clean with this OOC cloak and dagger crap, so this paranoia stupidity doesn't impede on the RP or the RPers behind the accounts. So if this "something" falls under that category, it would be constructive to submit it.

And my jets are cool enough as it is, thanks.

[Moltar]

Awww.......

*Goes off to watch Chips.*

[Anbiraa Hicchoru]

Eric Estrada and the Unknown White Guy! :)

[Moltar]

That is correct!

Funny how something so cool like a TV show can bring people in different universes together.

Come on everyone, lets go Beat Up Space Ghost!

[Khendon Sevon]

Bah, I would've only given TSE a weeks warning... now they can prepare and basically state they would have been doing it anyway.

My opinion is that this wasn't a wise choice, but I support the Empire in every way, as I always shall, in whatever course it, and its leaders, see fit. So I won't continue screaming over it.



Plus;
more black projects :)
(goes to think up new technologies)

[Live Wire]

you only say that because you dont know how destructive OOC secrecy can be. I unfortunately do and its a VERY good thing that DV came clean and I respect him for doing so.

Gives DV a *hug*

[Arya Ravenwing]

Viscera I'm glad that you had the balls to bring this out in the open. Hope Charley doesn't convince you to put them in a blender. What a mental picture THAT was. >_< I tried not to picture it. Honest. I tried.

(I hope that TSE will not take advantage of this, and remember to keep OOC OOC, as should ALL RPers.)

Now, as to the cause of the war: Were there any ideas what TSE could do to piss TGE off?

[Jedah Lynch]

We wont attack yet dont worry.

And you need an IC or OOC reason?

*Grins*

[Lilaena De'Ville]

*smacks Jedah* IC of course! Geez! :p

[Jedah Lynch]

I know.:D

And really there isnt a reason IC, even when Vis got up in arms about something and blew up some buildings at his planet or some planet that was suppose to had some TSE people in there we didnt do anything.

We didnt even know we had people there.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

That only proves how stupid you Sith are. Oh wait a minute.... :p

[Lady Vader]

Vis, thank you sooooooooo much for posting this. I think my aspirin is actually helping my headache now. :)

Ah, all is clear now. Yes, I do feel better.

As to keeping my calender clean for 1/12/02, will do. Besides, I got some ppl on here that would kill my roomie if she decided it was her turn. ESPECIALLY on that day. :rolleyes

[Darth Viscera]

Well, I've had some ideas the last week revolving around the Darth Vader character. Vis doesn't yet know what's happened to Anbira, only that he won't return his calls, so to speak. If he finds out all at once that Anbira is now a Jedi, and Darth Vader is really Anbiraa, a clone of Anbira, he would view Darth Vader/Anbiraa as an abomination, and basically release every bit of anger that's been building up since before Endor. He would view this as a "My failure is now complete" sort of thing. You would too if all your masters met some horrible demise during your training. He would go even further over the deep end.

This puts Vis in a mood to pick a fight. I'm guessing that somewhere in his conversation with Darth Vader he'd discover that his master/creator is none other than Jedah Lynch, which gives him a target. And since DV isn't the type to adhere to stricly 1-on-1 duels, he'd drag several hundred ships with him-into TSE space, most likely, looking for Jedah Lynch.

[Darth Viscera]

N/M, I'm told that's impossible because Darth Vader wouldn't reveal his identity.

[Darth Vader]

Well...not that it wouldn't be....but it would take a long time to arrive to that. He's not just going around telling everybody

[Khan Surak]

Since Death Fleet is basically part of TSE, we'd be inclined to fight against TGE. However, 1/3rd of our Fleet is off attempting to do battle with the NR. If anyone would friggin respond! 2 months!! >_< So, if we do finish this op..

:: Points to Lebron ::

Yo mine, biotch! >D

Well, perhaps not.

[Rama]

But since the real Vader is dead...everyone would know this wasn't the real deal. So it'd bring up the question who is it?

[Darth Viscera]

Would anyone have any problems with the Jedi being involved? It seems unclear at the moment whether or not TSO and GJO will be able to have a role in this, and it would be nice to get maximum participation. The NR seems relatively kaput, according to Khan Surak, so I very much doubt that they'd be able to participate anyhow.

So, could we get TSO and GJO in on this?

Note: For any of you pundits out there, I'm not implying that GJO would be allied with TGE. Don't want that rumor mill getting going again.

[Gav Mortis]

A little something that has me stumped here. This battle is meant to be for everyones involvement and for everyone to enjoy, it's only being started with TGE attack TSE. As Viscera stated:


This attack is meant to start up a galaxy-wide war, and no party should be left unaffected.

The purpose of this war is not to destroy a group OOC. I promised Charley that it wouldn't be a blitzkrieg, so it won't. The war will last many, many months, so everyone will have a chance to enjoy it.

Therefore, what is going on here?

Jedah asks:


Vis, since this is suppose to be a war between TGE and TSE does that mean you're going to try to sneak your NR character into this?

To which Viscera replies:


The New Republic is not related to this attack at all, thus they won't be backing any play whatsoever.

Does this mean the NR wont be involved at all and in that case, doesn't that nullify the original purpose of the supposed "Galaxy-Wide" War? Isn't this for everyone to enjoy?

Then Viscera, when asked:


It's just TSE vs TGE, with no involvement from TSO, right?

Is generous enough to reply:


that would depend on TSE and TSO, I think

So let me get this straight, NR aren't allowed to participate but TSO are if they wish? Isn't that a bit unfair?

A Galaxy-Wide War which excludes certain factions is a bit far-fetched. I'd imagine an all-out war to be completely open to whoever feels they have a valid reason to get involved and contribute.

So this Galaxy-Wide War is either closed to only TSE and TGE or it isn't, there's no mid-way point that can allow certain factions surely.

So can someone explain this please, as there seems to be a great deal of contradiction taking place in this thread already.

[Jeseth Cloak]

Originally posted by Gav Mortis
So let me get this straight, NR aren't allowed to participate but TSO are if they wish? Isn't that a bit unfair? I believe what Viscera meant about the NR not being involved is that he is not using his NR character to influence the outcome of this war in his favor. What the NR does (as allies or enemies of the Empire) is it's own business, and not anything to do with the Empire's strike against TSE.

[Darth Viscera]

I'm trying to make sure more people can be involved if they wish. See my previous post.

[Jedah Lynch]

Crap.

I could have been a target.

But at least I'm creating abominations

Thats a big plus, wait till you met the other abominations heh heh

[Lord DarkStar]

wait till you met the other abominations

why does that worry me?

[Darth Viscera]

Are your new series of abominations 12,800 meters in length?

[Jedah Lynch]

Not unless they've been chugging down the viagra like there is no tomorrow.

[Darth Viscera]

*Accidently lands an SSD on Jedah's abominations ala the Ghorman Massacre*

Whoopsie doodle. Must have been that bean I ate....

[Zorak]

I want to fight in the war.

[Moltar]

Well thats one SSD that we won't see again!

Seeing they can't land and all...

[Jedah Lynch]

:lol

[Darth Viscera]

Don't worry, I'm assuming that Jedah's abominations live on a moon with no atmosphere, and that a styrafoam SSD parking lot has been conveniently built nearby.

[Darth Viscera]

Originally posted by Zorak
I want to fight in the war.

What group are you with?

[BrantCairn]

He's with Ghost Planet Industries :)

[Harvey Birdman]

BIRDMAN!



Oh wait thats me.. :x

I knew that. I was just testing you. ^_^;

[Darth Vader]

Originally posted by Rama
But since the real Vader is dead...everyone would know this wasn't the real deal. So it'd bring up the question who is it?

Actually, thats the ingeniuity of it. Everyone DOESN'T know :) The only person who really knows his fate is Luke Skywalker. He's the only one who's seen the man behind the mask...the only one who's seen him die. You'd be left with rumors....sketchy, unconfirmable rumors from untrustworthy rebels intent on a propaganda win.

[Zorak]

Originally posted by Darth_Viscera
What group are you with? The one that wins.

[Severen Morkonis]

Zorak..umm..the point in that post was???

ANYWAY!!!

There a little prob..well not a prob but...a little skethcy thing im a little hecked out about now...call me a nutball if you like but here goes, most of TSE are ground fighters..IE we dont use our fleet as much as we could do...now..if Vis here plans on attacking us straticily with 800 born and bread made in the good old Empire-of A...that kinda takes the biscuit, beileve me ive been under his flag of ships before and it aint a happy thing...

Back to my point however.Now since ive been at TSE for over 9 months nearly 10 now, i aint seen one mission from TSE's fleet...i know this aint the point and Adolf hitler didnt say "Hey Brits and the US peeps you got enough ships to fight aainst us..or shall we wait another month or so??"...BUT id Vis is gonna use all out Shaips its not realy gonna be a war...just pure blood baths and no TSE grounds guys like the warriors Knights..ETC will have not a chance to partisipate proboly a silly point but thats my two cents...

[Darth Vader]

The point in war is to match your advantages to your enemies disadvantages. TSE can hurt TGE in separate venues as much as TGE can hurt TSE.

[Traest Kre'fey]

Doesn't TSE have like 600 some ships though?

[Varlon Konrad]

To give you a correct, but rounded number, between 600 and 700. :)

[Traest Kre'fey]

That can still hurt us. Us being TGE.

[Zorak]

Besides, TSE is fighting a defensive battle. Similar to the Ewoks defeating the Empire on Endor... Except I think some Sith lack the intelligence to be on par with Ewoks. :p

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

*Smacks Traest*

The point of this battle is to have fun, hopefully involving a number of groups. Sure there will be losses, but if you want to make an omelet, you gotta break a few eggs :)

[Traest Kre'fey]

*Gnaws of Thrawns hand.*

What's an omelet?

[Anbiraa Hicchoru]

Kre'fey...if I recall, you're still a "political guest" of the Cizerack, right :evil

[General Harrsk]

I do not like omelets :x

[Traest Kre'fey]

That thread died, so umm. the NRSF came and got me. Patched up m'ship and I am operating with them now. :crack

[Anbiraa Hicchoru]

Nice try. Fat chance.

[Varlon Konrad]

Originally posted by Zorak
Besides, TSE is fighting a defensive battle. Similar to the Ewoks defeating the Empire on Endor... Except I think some Sith lack the intelligence to be on par with Ewoks. :p
Sith like Viscera, perhaps ;)

[Darth Viscera]

Har dee har har.

[Rama]

Tactics will be a big factor in this as well.......Tatics can make 600 ships seem like 1,200

[Darth Viscera]

That would be highly inadvisable, seeing as how the Empire has a pool of around 2,200 warships to commit.

Let's keep it smaller in scale than that, shall we? If the Empire sees 1,200 warships in Sith space, it's going to respond with enough force to defeat those 1,200 ships, rather than enough force to defeat 600 ships, which would not be good for TSE.

So yes, you might want to avoid a tactic a so utterly detrimental.

There are GOOD tactics, however, like positioning lancer frigates and small pickets, SPC's, escort transports, which are good at picking off starfighters, on your flanks and basically in a box pattern around the armada, to avoid starfighter penetration. If you have a fleet of 50+ ships in place, you'll need to set aside a ship or ships as a dedicated communications platform, as in the Battle of Endor, where they used a ship larger than an ISD2 for communications.

There are several little tidbits of tactics that can be used to make your fleet more effective, and everyone has 29 days to study :)

[Khan Surak]

Perhaps a few good ground battles too, eh?

Let my armies be the rocks and the trees, and the birds in the sky... - Charlemagne

[Darth Viscera]

Yes, ground battles. However, for ground battles, we have to change our perception of how a battle is fought from relatively 2D to 3D.

Imagine Coruscant in Episode I. This could be a good template for war on a populated planet. Buildings extend kilometers in height. Taking this into account, you have to move your troops by air, and it's possible to flush them out by actually flying divisions of troops above or below your enemy's position. It's like 3D chess rather than regular chess.

[Khan Surak]

Yes, Urban warfare makes things a bit more difficult for the invaders and helps out the defenders, ie. Stalingrad. However, seeing as how Coruscant is one big city, and at some parts the "bottom" is a junkpile and at others a huge street, some parts will need repulsorlift personnel carriers while others could use half-tracks or whatever is handy. There are certain heavy armor elements that excel at urban combat. That's where the AT-ATs and FFs come in. The Ubrikkian Floating Fortress is a joke. It does have good armor and the TIN tracking system and all that... but only two heavy canons? That's why I have designed a new one with improved armor, weapons, speed, and all that good stuff. :D

[Severen Morkonis]

I like the idea of groud fighting with TSE members for instance rather than "normal old" ship battles, some Black Ops stuff can be arranged, decent saber battles between 6-10 ppl at a time...should be a good concept....

[Varlon Konrad]

I hope you're also ready to face non-textbook material, Viscera ;) Seeing as what's in the books is the easiest to stop.

[Darth Viscera]

Depends on how dubious the non-textbook material is. If you try to pull a Gue, for instance....well, don't try and pull a Gue.

[Varlon Konrad]

Originally posted by Darth_Viscera
Depends on how dubious the non-textbook material is. If you try to pull a Gue, for instance....well, don't try and pull a Gue.
Viscera, I'm not you. I think the mods will have to be more careful in reviewing your posts over mine and my associates ;)

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

If everyone plays fair and has a good time, we can avoid having the mods to view the posts in the first place.

It's just a game anyway. The ships aren't real ^_^

[Admiral Lebron]

Or are they?

[Rama]

That would be highly inadvisable, seeing as how the Empire has a pool of around 2,200 warships to commit.

Let's keep it smaller in scale than that, shall we? If the Empire sees 1,200 warships in Sith space, it's going to respond with enough force to defeat those 1,200 ships, rather than enough force to defeat 600 ships, which would not be good for TSE.

So yes, you might want to avoid a tactic a so utterly detrimental.





Well thats nice and all.......but that isn't really what I meant at all.


I more meant it takes more then just a lot of ships to beat someone. And not to get cocky just cause you got us outnumbered. You shouldn't just take for granted that you could "whipe us out" cause it may be a lot harder then you think.


I didn't mean we were gonna head on attack you.

[Admiral Lebron]

Actually it means a lot. Say we each lose a ship per skirmish. You'll run out of ships before we do. Personally, I think it'll be a rather hard war to win.

[Darth Viscera]

The cockiness isn't entirely a one-way street.

[Varlon Konrad]

Originally posted by Darth_Viscera
The cockiness isn't entirely a one-way street.
Nope, it's a dead-end street.

[TheHolo.Net]

Now now boys, put em away, we don't need a pissing contest here in public.

[Ryu Warusa]

Yeah, now then down to business. Would anyone like to hire the Vagrant Order on their side?

[Master Yoghurt]

Edit: Never mind, will have to think this one over for a bit. Since it is a Galactic war taking place over many months, and many parties are going to involved, New Republic will no doubt be involved somehow. Need to think over excactly how.

[Varlon Konrad]

Originally posted by Master Yoghurt
Edit: Never mind, will have to think this one over for a bit. Since it is a Galactic war taking place over many months, and many parties are going to involved, New Republic will no doubt be involved somehow. Need to think over excactly how.
By sitting out the war between TGE and TSE, allowing the NR fleets to mop-up if they so wish afterwards with pristine ships as compared to the battered fleets of the warring states, like smart tactitians perhaps?

[Darth Havok]

I really like how you brought this all out into the open Vis, something I’ve been trying to push silently myself, is just this, in so that so many wouldn’t feel like some attacks are a complete surprise (ooc) and that things were unfair, and the like..

Any who, that’s all I really have to say about this right now..
:)

[Khendon Sevon]

*shakes head* What would force users do in fleet combat if they didn't have the force?

I'd like to see that.

Sadly, don't think I will.

*goes back to working on black projects*

[Varlon Konrad]

Originally posted by Khendon Sevon
*goes back to working on black projects*
Gee, Khendon. Still have that big mouth of yours, eh? :rolleyes No wonder everyone knows what TGE's often doing.

[Darth Viscera]

Havok-I appreciate that :)

Var-Could you please *NOT* keep posting for the sole reason of snide remarks? Sure, the first few are funny to an extent, but this is a serious thread. There's still a cause that needs finding.

[Varlon Konrad]

I am being serious, Viscera. :p I would only think that someone would not want the outside world knowing every move of your group. If you don't care, eh, your fault.

[Darth Viscera]

I would only think that someone would not want the outside world knowing every move of your group. If you don't care, eh, your fault.

Believe me when I say this: had I had my way, on 1/12/02, 2,200 ships would have smashed TSE, perhaps more OOC than IC, from what Charley tells me. By getting this out in the open, TGE is saving YOUR ass, not ours. We are going way, way out of our way to see that TSE can survive OOC squabbles, and a little reciprocation would be nice. I'll thank you to show a bit of gratitude to me and mine, rather than displaying your childish "No good deed goes unpunished" slop.

[Darth Viscera]

Vis, since this is suppose to be a war between TGE and TSE does that mean you're going to try to sneak your NR character into this?

Speaking of that, the "General Dodonna" account no longer belongs to me, and I have no idea what the new password is. It's Yog's account now, to assign to whomever he pleases.

[TheHolo.Net]

Originally posted by Darth_Viscera


Speaking of that, the "General Dodonna" account no longer belongs to me, and I have no idea what the new password is. It's Yog's account now, to assign to whomever he pleases. The "General Dodonna" account does not even exist here (SWFans.Net Forums) at this point.

[Darth Viscera]

That's right; it's an EzBoard account.

[Jedah Lynch]

Believe me when I say this: had I had my way, on 1/12/02, 2,200 ships would have smashed TSE, perhaps more OOC than IC, from what Charley tells me. By getting this out in the open, TGE is saving YOUR ass, not ours. We are going way, way out of our way to see that TSE can survive OOC squabbles, and a little reciprocation would be nice. I'll thank you to show a bit of gratitude to me and mine, rather than displaying your childish "No good deed goes unpunished" slop.

Actually if you did have your way and smashed TSE or any group with the full ships that would have got hell on your ass and guess what?

Just about every group would get hell on their ass for doing such a thing unless mistaken. Remember the one thing DT did always preach and did hold true? Fair play. Its one thing to attack a group but its getting to be another to take them out entirely especially with larger numbers alone. TSE had a chance to do that to the Jedi, we didnt some months ago. As Sith we are evil. As Roleplayers we know enough that we wont do something to others that will hurt many and chances are end something we consider fun. Guess you could say we care......alittle....its certainly a distinct possiblity....

TSE can survive almost anything, it has up to this time. TSE was never meant to be one of the big groups or much of anything when it first started especially when TSC was around and they were the main Sith group. But thanks to people like Ogre, Havok, Rama, Nuri, Sums, Renegade, LL and so many countless others TSE was made great and was made into something.

Even if TSE lost everything it would survive and regroup one way or another. It always has, it probably always will until swfans itself dies too. Believe that holds true to the Jedi and TSO too in their own ways. It might even hold true for TBH if they play their cards right, might not always agreed with those there but if they play their part wisely. They can do it too.

Imps though. TGE and all its incarnations is another matter entirely. YOu've been extremely lucky your career so far but luck runs out. Watch out for the dagger in your back fly boy. Its going to get you one day. When your at the top your nothing more then a target.

BTW you say about showing gratitude....whats the point to show it to someone who had enough ships to attack before a certain merger but only did so when he had way more ships to save his own tail from defeat?

Gee...I wonder.....

[Master Yoghurt]

Originally posted by Varlon Konrad

By sitting out the war between TGE and TSE, allowing the NR fleets to mop-up if they so wish afterwards with pristine ships as compared to the battered fleets of the warring states, like smart tactitians perhaps?

lol, no matter what I say, I am pretty sure it is going to be read over multiple times with magnifying glasses. But that is allright, I kinda expected that. :lol

[Varlon Konrad]

I never really could see the New Republic getting involved in a war between two of its enemies. Especially since it would make the New Republic seem, politically at least, like it's in favour of one over the other. Don't have to take the suggestion into mind, though, Yog :) But I thank yaz for at least taking the time to read it.

[Zorin Hexes]

Actually, TGE is committing an IC act of war, and nothing other than that. I don't think that any group would do something IC that would be to their disadvantage. You should be grateful that he's giving you several months of time, and not only a few days. I don't see how anything that he's doing is wrong.

[Darth Viscera]

BTW you say about showing gratitude....whats the point to show it to someone who had enough ships to attack before a certain merger but only did so when he had way more ships to save his own tail from defeat?

Gee...I wonder.....

o_O *gets a team together to decrypt that message*

First of all, what merger are you talking about? TGE (original), SIN, Guild, TIR? Would you rather we had attacked you in October 2000, instead of Itala? Probably not. TGE, TIE, and GMA attacking you at that time would have resulted in the existence of only a TSE remnant now.

Second of all, if you had read my posts pertaining to this thread, you could at least infer why some gratitude would be appreciated.

Third of all, could you leave the insinuations at the door and try to add something productive to this thread?

[Jedah Lynch]

You should be grateful that he's giving you several months of time, and not only a few days.

Dont make me laugh.

I find it extremely amusing that TGE had to wait until they had a vast number of ships until they attacked. They apparantly didnt have faith in their own group until they had several times the amount of ships than their opposition.

Rather pathetic if you ask me.

Shows how much faith you have in your own group.

You have my pity.

So dont ask for gratitude any more it'll only result in a fair amount of mocking and I have yet begun to mock. This is being extremely civil.


Third of all, could you leave the insinuations at the door and try to add something productive to this thread?

Actually there is one thing you can do and I'll let you do it to help prove yourself even if alittle.

Many times during space battles people tend to post travel times it takes to get from place to place. However they usually do not use the same way to measure the speed or use their own judgement while traveling be it at regular speeds or otherwise.

So in this war we might as well use an agreed based on speed for traveling between place to place so there are no arguements. If you got a fair idea on how would like to do that feel free to do so.

[Rama]

Leave him be.....He has already revealed his weakness. No amount of ships can make up for it.

[Darth Vader]

Please stop bemoaning the fact that TGE has tons of ships. OF COURSE they have tons of ships. Its their forte'. You don't go to Mama Mia's Pizzeria and ask for a burrito, and you don't go to TGE to find a sect of brooding sith. Maybe you'll find one or two....but TGE = ships.

TSE = Sith. Pretty simple. Sure, you got ship guys at TSE, but its essentially Varlon and a few weekend warriors.

It could be that TGE has 3 ships and you have one. You'd still gripe about it. But when you have a whole group of shipbuilders with more resources allocated to shipbuilding....chances are they are gonna have an attritional advantage, too. They didn't have to wait for this....they'd have it no matter what happened.

[Jeseth Cloak]

Also, this attack would have occured with or without the merger, it just so happens that the merger took place before hand. When you plan to wait a few months before doing somnething a lot can change...

[Jehova Eaven]

Right, so a few of you, stop turning this into an OOC war. This is all IC, remember that. Though... I wouldn't mind seeing a little blood....:)

[Darth Viscera]

In this thread, I'm going to be unresponsive to anything I perceive as inflammatory or just plain rude from now on.

Regarding the transportation issue: Can an expanded hyperspace ETA chart similar to Darth Varlon's please be posted so we can have an illustration to help plan this out?

[Varlon Konrad]

Just FYI, Viscera, that was Gue's chart, not mine. I haven't located the expanded one I know exists yet.

[Darth Viscera]

Ah, my bad.

[Jesu Milan]

Oh for f*ck's sake - grow up, the lot of you!

I'm drunk at the moment - hence I shall take the opportunity to be brutally honest...

Most of you guys are acting like a group of kids, end the pissing contest - one of the two groups will get your ass kicked...end of! So stop whining - it really is laughable (even from the perspective of an intoxicated person!) - stop whining!

Who cares who has more ships? Use your opponents disadvantages against your own advantages!

for Christs sake - it's only a a game! :zzz

[imported_Firebird1]

And that is an understatement....