New Group...

[Telan Desaria]

I have an idea...

I have an idea for a new group from my home planet of Centaur. They would don white tunics with green collar trim, Imperial rank plaques, and black trousers. They would use Imperial and Rebel technology and welcome all races. They would be located in the Inner Rim and a have a vast a diverse culture. Centaur itself would be a Prime-class planet, 250,000 kilometers in diamter-one of the largest known in that region, with a population of 12.8 billion. The planet is a forest world, with cities and homes amongs-not in-the trees. Offices would have plant life in them-picture Risa from Star Trek. There would be tall office towers reaching up from the canopy of a forest. The industry of the planet would be on orbital skyhooks so as not to desectrate the forests. Five of the planets seven moons would be populated.

The planet would be ruled by benevolent aristocrats with titles of Baron, Lord, Count, etc...

There is only one problem...

I don't know how to create the board...from scratch

I know how to RP its inception, but not create anything. Or change titles. I know I want it to look like the GMA board, but with Green on black.

IS there any interest out there...

Oh yeah, there IS a force talnet indicative to the planet's plant life. The Force wielding people draw strength from the botanical life.

What do you all think. One of the first things this civilization would do would be to form an alliance with TGE. ANy body willing to help me create it. My character's name would be Baron Gertallya

[Jedah Lynch]

Groups are five people.

Now I got a question.....you basically said you want to create a group. Assume you'll want some shipyards, either one or two. Now.....you got strong ties with GMA so whats to keep you from basically useing them for that group? You did say you wanted an alliance, whats to keep this from beng another cheap way to get more ships and to twist things to get their way again?

Not that your doing some havent done before you but really all the groups that spring up from people even with alt nicks is getting rather idiotic if not causing the greatest part of stagnant Rping on the boards IE: one of the major problems of the boards this place cant overcome because some will bitch it takes away from their fun.

Boo hoo.

But then how can anything get done or happen with the same people in various groups controlling things. Oh wait, guess it can be helpful for the mergers and building of fleets at least right? Nice tatic to get around the ship building rule.

Bravo.

Whats next? TBH getting a fleet? That would be ironic especially with all the fuss made before about it.

The RPing with only certain people....hmm you know that could be why just the same old people post under various alts time and time again and most others have been drifting away more and more. Its what is that called....oh yeah stagnant activity. As said its one of the biggest problems on the board. Next thing you know secret and locked forums will form with most of these people in their own little groups that are just cliques.

Wheels within wheels.

..............

Nah, not like any of that can happen......

:)

*hums to self and drinks some tea*

[Sanis Prent]

Jedah, that was pretty uncalled for, I think.

[Jedah Lynch]

Never said I was a saint

And honestly there could have been more brutal ways to put it. That was my edited re edited, and thrice more punched through the editoral process post.

But yes did say more then what he asked for I admit, that was indeed rude I confess.

[Sanis Prent]

I guess we can talk about other things just as serious, such as lack of trust. I mean, after RPing here for a few years, I should know that its not every person that comes through here that can RP decently. I try to be pretty open with who I RP with, but this can only go so far.

Its not a perfect world. There are bad RPers, sufficely to say. There are people who can't abide by rules. There are people who lie to their own benefit. There are people who translate OOC into IC, and vice versa. It really poisons the benevolent atmosphere here at times, and not suprisingly, it can erode a sense of good RPing trust, which is honestly the most important thing here.

You talk about a problem of certain people RPing with only a few people. You talk of cliques. Tell me why this happens? Likely that lack of trust is a big reason. Now, I've seen Telan RP with other aliases, and he's fair and partial to those that he represents. He comes here with an idea. Albeit, I would not advise him to pursue creating a group, as they are hard to manage. But, he comes with an idea nonetheless. I think we're entitled to disagree, as he presented it to the community for review, but to insinuate that he'd use that for GMA's gain, or to end runaround some shipyard rule...this is the lack of trust that creates the exact problem you complain about, Jedah.

I'm not even sure why you mentioned the TBH issue, as its nowhere near related to this. I know there's been bad blood in that realm before, but there are other venues to discuss it in, I'm sure.

If you wanna help Telan out, disagree. Tell him that creating "just another group" might be a bad idea. He asked you for that much. But from what you said, you all-but accused him of using this as some kind of insidious plot for TGE's gain, and thats the kind of distrust that is only going to widen the rift and create more cliques.

Its not a perfect world, Jedah, and I know this. I know above all others there are some less-than-honorable people who are in it for the wrong reasons. But unless there is due cause, I think it best to give the benefit of the doubt.

And Telan, for my $0.02, I really don't think this is a good idea. Groupmaking is difficult at best, and very taxing. I've seen more than one person try it, only to get extremely burnt out when the member roster fades or the idea doesn't really perform. Take it from somebody who's tried...it'll give you more gray hairs than grins.

[Telan Desaria]

Sanis, I thank you for your help in warding off Mr Lynch. All added defenses are welcome, as any Admiral knows.

What do you think of the group idea though. I want to see if there is any interest from some people. I would be using a different character, to confront Jedah's concern, my Baron gertallya character. So My ties would be non existent. An Alliance with TGE is just to cover my but while we form and to protect us while we build a fleet.

There would be no ningling of Fleets between TGE And the Centaurian Sovereignty

Fleet Admiral Telan Desaria

[Sanis Prent]

Telan, I think Lynch was saying that the same person behind a character was a liability.

Okay, so you are confirming you intend an imperial alliance now?

Well, that does create a problem, even if it is to "cover your butt" while you develop. I find that to be an ill-gotten luxury, as no other new group is guaranteed such protection when they develop. So in those circumstances, I would definitely say this is a bad idea.

[Jedah Lynch]

Perfect world?

Nah....if it was a perfect world I doubt many of us would even be here in the first place.

Yes there are bad RPers, yes there are bad people who do things for their own gain or ego. Likewise there are the good RPers and the people who do things for their friends and group they belong with. Then again also bad RPers who are salt of the earth people and good Rpers who are jerks. Can go either way.

Trust. You know if things were black and white it would be so easy. Things would be so easy to deal with, however life never is easy nor always black and white. The boards are a reflection of real life in part if not by the attitudes and personas of the people who post and often more then enough their attitudes and moods boardwise are reflected in how they post or how they react towards some people. Yes people do bring OOC into the RP, we all do. You yourself have at times. Its not a bad thing, not at least when there is no malice or harmful intent. After all, look at when the board rallied together not so long ago after the tragedy that happened.

We even had our RP characters band together in one thread to reflect, to remember, to pray and to stand together. Some needed that and was glad to stand among those call friends and fellow RPers. Times like that makes me wish we all couldn't get together for a party. Sure that would be intresting. Talking to someone on the boards and meeting them in real life is really intresting and fun. You and I both know that:)


You talk about a problem of certain people RPing with only a few people. You talk of cliques. Tell me why this happens?

Why?

Number of reasons really.

Some band together because they share common goals or interest. For friendship. To achieve something. To talk and discuss. There are other reasons or purposes. As in anything it can be bad or good. Depends on the people really and what they wish to achieve. We both been here on the boards for a long time, and we've seen how it is. On the boards. What goes on behind the scenes and everything between.

Trust is something some people on these boards dont even give to people they call friends. Same as in RL. Understandable.

As RPers for the most part wo do try to get along together, not too many times do large scale flame wars happen on the boards or go out of control. I think that is a credit to the community here if nothing else.

Did I insinuate Telan would use such a thing to aid GMA?

Judging from his comment maybe I should have said it the other way around. But obviously you see why its a bad reason so shall not go into why myself.

Like I said, we've been here for a long time. We know the game and the players and how some act. There is a thin line in many aspects on what goes on, on how people act and who they deal with and why.

Benefit of the doubt....heh. Its about all we can give each other, this is the net. All there is words and those words can pull together people as easy as rip them apart. In those words as you say we do give benfit of the doubt in every day aspect of posting. Be it in RPing or other net activities.


I'm not even sure why you mentioned the TBH issue, as its nowhere near related to this. I know there's been bad blood in that realm before, but there are other venues to discuss it in, I'm sure.

Your right it doesnt have anything to do with this. So why did I say that? Easy and a most diabolical reason behind it.

It was a sarcastic comment. :)

In addition to what was originally going to post before the board went down for a moment.


Telan, I think Lynch was saying that the same person behind a character was a liability.

It depends on how the preson acts and their intentions. If its honorable, no problem. Otherwise, we all know how it goes.

[Sanis Prent]

Fair enough take on it. Besides, I think due to Telan's prior statement, the discussion is moot at any rate.

I guess all that needs to be said is lets remember to be considerate. After all, suspicions are only that, and don't do anything for damnifying evidence.

No harm, no foul, I suppose...but then again, its my job to make sure it doesn't come to that in the first place :)

[Jedah Lynch]

And a fair job you have been doing so far.

For that you get a gummy Catwoman<img src=http://shadowfacility.clanpages.com/smilies/laugh.gif alt="This is your face on gummies">

As for considerate...always a first time for everything.....<img src=http://shadowfacility.clanpages.com/smilies/jesus.gif alt="This is your face on organized religion">


An Alliance with TGE is just to cover my but while we form and to protect us while we build a fleet.

........but never let the predictability of some ever catch you unguarded. Ironicly enough a TGE person got away doing a similar thing by working out a peace treaty with his own NRSF/republic character. Oh well....cant blame some for trying to protect their rears since they are so paranoid of attack.

You know a final thought on the matter.

The way some people put a strong outlook on fleets for their group or on several groups they have that are rather fleet based maybe only those groups should be penalized/downsized next time since its really the same people with virtually nothing to really set them apart since the smaller organizations are mainly backdrops for backgrounds of various stories yet they continue to build fleets at a rate that is often questionable. Not much to stop them from using their fleets in an battle once someone has already attacked or defended one of their various groups. Most would have commone sense to not do that since it would violate any concept of fair play.

Yet not everyone has a definition for the concept of "fair play".

Not hard to tell who is allied with who and how some have their own little alliances. After all....even with their downsized numbers they always tend to have a vastly overlarged fleet due to mergers and other methods of building so no matter their number that far exceeds most groups capabilites to deal with.

Especially since again many are in the same groups and wouldnt let anything happen to their "other" precious little organizations be harmed in the first place....at least the ones that give them the most benefits.

Board politics...don't you just love it?<img src=http://shadowfacility.clanpages.com/smilies/smokin.gif alt="This is your face when you know your right">

I'll work on the considerate thing....

[Keerrourri Feessaarro]

Gummy catwoman! :eek :eek ^_^; ^_^; oh my!

As for the Empire / NR thing, its a cease-fire agreement...which actually makes sense in the scope of a superpower-scale mutually-assured destruction concept. It mirrors a lot of the cold war kinda stuff, an interesting take on the situation I think, with the ability to carry out cloak & dagger "fake wars" and such. Just wanted to clarify what existed between the two.

As for mergers, such things probably shouldn't be brought up...that whole "speck in thy brother's eye, plank in mine own" thing. No foul was cried from RSO and TSE's merger, and even if its ancient history, I don't think the double standard is something we should bring into play.

Yes, the Empire's got a helluva lot of ships. However, the people who have worked on this have been mind-numbingly dilligent in their production....consistently and relentlessly. I'll do a lot of things as mod for the people here...but I won't penalize a group based on their success.

As for alliances...they can be made, and they can be broken. Just remember, if you're close enough for a handshake, you're close enough to stab somebody. There are enough active imaginations to shift the balance of power, given time, involvement, and resources.

As for how people in multiple groups separate their actions, this is a delicate situation to govern, as no verbatim rule can be conjured to stop this. We're not going to deny players the chance to roleplay alternate characters, but at the same time, we're not going to allow Diktat Schreiger's fleet to pounce on whatever faction just because they may have attacked Sarrtarroa (I play both, if anybody missed the obvious :)). Another reason for moderators to assist in fleet matters. Some things deserve to be reviewed, and put under the microscope of conjecture. Hell, I know some people like to pull fast ones. Neither Tondry nor myself are dumb. We're pretty keen-o, and such...and we've got nice enough boots to wade through BS. So, I'm sure your fears of such things can be addressed quite adequately should the eventuality arise.

Yes...keep working on the considerate thing ;)

Oh...and trust me on the sunscreen :lol

[Jedah Lynch]

Adequate response.

Not bad..

You'll have the life size gummy by morning.....but you got to pay for the shipping.

[Rama]

Might have been uncalled for.........but that doesn't make it any less True. =\

[Saarrreeaa Meorrrei]

Hey, Jedah...thought you quit? Welcome back? Sorry, this is off topic...I tried to delete, but it won't let me .....*hides in shame*

just to add to my embarrassingly off topic comment, Telan, it seems that you want to fashion Centaur after Ithor...is that what you had in mind?

And creating groups.....talk about a head ache. I would advise no, esp. if they're going to argue about it like this.

[Telan Desaria]

On Ithor, the people live in herd ships that fly above the forests-here, they live amongst them.

I would like to create the Group, if there is some interest. The group would be begin over the course of the first few months by building a fleet, then attacking defenseless planets and grwoing into an empire.

Until later...

[Jedah Lynch]

HHey, Jedah...thought you quit? Welcome back?

IC yes I'm pretty much out of the game.

OOC wise...different story.

There needs to be a voice of reason around here that knows the game and how those who play it who isnt a mod or admin and isnt afraid to put his voice in he mix even if it doesnt help popularity wise and is in direct opposition to those who normally would not be opposed due to their board popularity. But speak and be heard was always my motto, intend to keep true to it. As long as its just of course:)

[Rama]

And I here I thought that was my job......



Well be prepared to be about as liked as a Kenny Loggins album. =\

[Telan Desaria]

Anyway, what do you all think of ym idea of the group. SI it plausible. Is there interest? Would any of you be interested in creating characteres for it? PLease, I welcome all feadback...

[Rama]

Eh...im pretty much a one Charcter man. Never saw More Charcters as equaling a better more intresting Rp..........just a more crowed and confuseing one.

[Pierce Tondry]

Jedah: And Sanis and I will continue to melt gummies shaped in your image over burning flames in retribution for the irrationality and antagonism you incite. :evil

[Jedah Lynch]

Heh.

Ah my dear Pierce, just consider me the keep you on your toes person. Someone needs to watch the watchers. Dont worry, shall not do anything wrong or stage some action unless for a good cause. As for irrational, to each his own view point. One mans truth is another mans lie. And vice versa.

Oh yes....and Rama, popularity vs individualism. I rather be an individual compared to those who lick the boots of others. Besides, you know I never do anything unless its usually for a purpose or if I got a trick up my sleeve. :)

*Gets a red gummy and grins*

The red ones make the best voodoo.

[Rama]

Well if you don't have at least one trick up your sleeve around here something is wrong with you..........but I agree haveing my nose covered in a brown stinky stubstance doesn't sound to appealing.

[Telan Desaria]

Back to my diea...what do you think of the premise of the group...do any of ytou have any help on how to get it started...is it a good idea...


How can I create it?

Are the uniforms good? Would you like to hear more of the history I have created?

[Sanis Prent]

Well, I can only give advice, and that is to not create this group, simply due to the fact that creating a group from scratch takes an insane amount of time, and usually doesn't work. Albeit if you got the members, board, and everything, yes...you could do it, and would be within legal bounds to do so. I just don't know if it would work out in the long run.

But if you're motivated, and you get enough members, there's nothin in your way I guess :)

Just watch out for grey hair.

[Seerrasseei Tsseerra]

from experience, unless you have several friends to help you with this, it isn't worth the time....I've moderated a few forums that have died simply out of lack of interest from ppl except those who created it....:mneh

[Telan Desaria]

I have two members-myself, and a friend, who would be the founders of the board. Would either of you be willing to help. I just need three more people

[Sanis Prent]

I think my psychiatrist forbade me from creating any more characters. I'm schizo enough :(

Sorry man.

[Seerrasseei Tsseerra]

*has too many aliases already as well* hehe, I'm too busy most of the time to start up with another group....