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Ron Thrawn
Sep 7th, 2001, 07:44:56 PM
Many peaoplemay have recognized a quote from Highlander in a recent post of mine.
I am here to answer any of your questions, after those answered in the FAQ, so here it is:

Q: How is Imortality different from Moding?
A: In moding, you cannot be hurt, but an Imortal can be hurt, made unnconciouse, etc., but can only die from a severing of his or her neck.

Q: How do I become Imortal?
A: You can make an Imortal Character, or die and be resurrected by another Imortal Character, who becomes your master, though that may change later on, and you will become enemies, because of the Only One stuff.

Q: Can Non-Force Users Become an Imortal?
A: Yes, but you will use a lightsaber.

Q: Are there limitations to being an Imortal?
A:Yes. You must leave all the Jedi and Sith, and you cannot battle on Holy Ground. Holy Ground are areas like the freaky cave on Dagobah, and the Sith Temples on Yavin 4.

Q: What happens if I battle on Holy Ground?
A: Bad stuff. Think exploding planets, that sort of thing.

Anything not covered here can be asked in replays to this message.

Ryu Warusa
Sep 7th, 2001, 07:51:36 PM
OOC-wise, the Jedi are on Yavin 4, not the Sith. Though, your character shouldn't know that.

Nupraptor
Sep 7th, 2001, 07:54:31 PM
That doesn't change the fact that there are Massassi Temples that have been on Yavin 4 long before the Jedi inhabited it.

Morgan Evanar
Sep 7th, 2001, 08:13:54 PM
Last I checked, Immortality was kind of out of the question, unless your corporeal body died an you became one with the force.

Force Master Hunter
Sep 7th, 2001, 08:15:41 PM
This is STAR WARS

Not Highlander.

If I ever fight one, then it's done on STAR WARS terms. GOT IT?

Fact is, read the FAQ. Star Wars takes precidence. No argument, that has been the way for a long time.

Ron Thrawn
Sep 7th, 2001, 08:21:22 PM
I mix things.
It could make sense for Imortals.
It is a realy interesting concept, so ta hell with the fact it is in Highlander, not Star Wars.
I meant the Temples.
They were built be Exar Kun's Slaves.
And, Imortals try not to fight regular people, only other Imortals.
And, it is not complete Imortality.
They can die of beheading.
What would the difference be from me adding Highlander stuff to MnT adding DBZ stuff?

Force Master Hunter
Sep 7th, 2001, 08:27:14 PM
Star Wars roleplaying. MnT actually puts all his stuff into Star Wars rules and is quite inventive about it. Immortal goes under the heading of God Mode. The only beings that could possibly fit as immortal are Jedi Spirits.

Ron Thrawn
Sep 7th, 2001, 08:37:43 PM
It is only CALLED Imortal!
It isnt truly Imortal!
You get Beheaded, you die.
You get hit by a blaster bolt, you go flying back.
God Moding is when you get hit by a blaster bolt, and nothing happens.

Gitane Blesse
Sep 7th, 2001, 08:38:32 PM
Ron... :| You just don't come into an RP with a sudden proclamation that Immortality is okay.

I frankly fail to see the glory of immortality. So you get to live forever, phsh.. Who cares? Just means you can watch those around you died.

Nichos Marr
Sep 7th, 2001, 08:40:31 PM
Sith Sorcerers also have the ability to sustain Immortality as spirits. It's shown in Tales of the Jedi: Golden Age of the Sith: Part 2 of 5. Sith Lord Marka Ragnos shows up at his own funeral as a Force ghost.

Ron Thrawn
Sep 7th, 2001, 08:50:54 PM
The point is to see people you hate die, and it is a realy cool thing.
What's the big deal? You can't kill another Character anyway, without consent, and an Imortal can be hurt, just not killed unless beheaded.
No one has yet said some reason that makes perfect sense why Imortality, with the rules I have stated for it, violates RPing rules.

Gitane Blesse
Sep 7th, 2001, 08:57:11 PM
It's beside the point, Thrawn. Immortality is immortality. You can get hurt, yeah.. But it takes away the point of this being a Star Wars RPG, and the fact that they can only be killed one way doesn't help.



EDIT- I know you don't run the board, but I also know that you know what you're talking about. Either way, you've proven the thought wrong.

Force Master Hunter
Sep 7th, 2001, 09:07:14 PM
Being only able to be killed in one way is GOD MODE. End of story. Not using the Force for your special abilities is more often than not God Mode.

How many times do I need to repeat... this is a Star wars RPG? You want to bring other elements into it, it better tee up with Star Wars powers, for that takes absolute and total precidence. Certainly other pwople bring other powers, but they also play them well. Are you going to?

Gitene, i dont run this board. I dont decide the rules. But when I see something that goes so far over the top, I'll say something. This is waaaaaaay over the top. No Immortals.

Liam Jinn
Sep 7th, 2001, 09:34:50 PM
You guys are over-reacting to the immortal thing. Though its not a good idea, I know, I tried it awhile back <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/ohwell.gif ALT=":\"> . And what does it matter if you can only be killed one way? You only die one time (cept for those clones..) If he chooses to be immortal, let him. Is it hurting anyone? Nope. Is it breaking the rules? Nah, its the same way with everyone else. They only die if THEY want to, not any of you.


Sorry if this sounds bad, but I don't get what the big deal is.

Cirrsseeto Raurrssatta
Sep 7th, 2001, 10:16:51 PM
bah...

Reysa Sashara
Sep 7th, 2001, 10:45:13 PM
we have sheep in the house??...Bah to you to dood

Cirrsseeto Raurrssatta
Sep 7th, 2001, 10:48:44 PM
Chomps Reysa in half

Burp.

Seth Darkserpent
Sep 7th, 2001, 11:19:03 PM
*Bites Cirr's arm*

Tastes like Chicken :D

Rock
Sep 7th, 2001, 11:23:40 PM
Liam, I was thinking the same thing. But then again, immortality is not Star Wars. I will have to go with FMH on this.

Seth Darkserpent
Sep 7th, 2001, 11:26:47 PM
Exar Kun came close to Immortality. He lived for about 4000 years. Immortality is possible for the most skilled of Sith Masters, but it has serious drawbacks. (Example; Being trapped in limbo)

Liam Jinn
Sep 7th, 2001, 11:33:35 PM
Yeah and, he can call himself immortal if he wants. It hurts nothing, and changes nothing.

Keerrourri Sarrtarroa
Sep 8th, 2001, 12:18:08 AM
Just as I can call myself Bill Clinton....Believe!!!!

Ron Thrawn
Sep 8th, 2001, 01:56:45 PM
You can only die with consent anyway, and you are not more powerful than a Jedi or Sith, so just say what would have to be changed, there is a small chance I will change it, but no chance if you just say this is a crappy idea that doesn't belongg here.

Vega Van Derveld
Sep 8th, 2001, 02:07:58 PM
If it's not hurting anyone, not allowing Ron to kill/maim anyone/thing and not altering the RPing of others, I don't see the problem really.

I'm getting away with turning into a wolf on occasion, although I'm RP it out fully to make lagomorphdom seem believable - and the Vamps get away with turning into mist and living for ever and such, so I don't see why this shouldn't be allowed.

:)

Ron Thrawn
Sep 8th, 2001, 02:52:41 PM
Exactly.

Rock
Sep 8th, 2001, 03:36:42 PM
there are vamps around here still?

Keerrourri Sarrtarroa
Sep 8th, 2001, 03:41:27 PM
They are around....just watching from the shadows :)

Jeseth Cloak
Sep 8th, 2001, 04:24:17 PM
I don't see a problem with it either, as long as it's done well and you give full explanations beyond the highlander crap. I get away with having wings, fangs, and completely black eyes, though I do go into great detail about my race and it's origins and history...

Ron Thrawn
Sep 8th, 2001, 08:27:22 PM
Here is the not-Highlander explanation:
Long ago, there was a powerful, force wielding race, that had evolved to a point where they were all able to use the force at levels above even todays masters.
They gave themselves Imotality through those powers, but the force gave them limitations.
One was that they can die from a sliced-off head, and another is they cannot fight in places where the force is extremely strong, like on thier planet.
While a few powerful warriors were off-planet, a war broke out.
They returned to find that the planet had been destroyed, and in it's place lay the Maw.
They began to vie for the legacy of thier race, and found that they could turn anyone killed by violent means into one of them.
Scince then, they have been fighting, sometimes in small groups, though following a stict code, so that no other worlds meet the same fate as thier beloved home.

Jeseth Cloak
Sep 8th, 2001, 08:38:59 PM
That exp;lanations isn't that bad, but try being a bit more scientific about it. The Force is all great and everything, but if you use it to that degree it's god moding. If the Force can grant someone immortality then you're just opening the gate way for anyone with force sensitivity to declare themselves immortal, no?

Ron Thrawn
Sep 8th, 2001, 08:43:30 PM
These people can Only be Imortal if made Imortal by another Imortal, or a member of the Extremely Force Sensitive race. from the explanation.

Keerrourri Sarrtarroa
Sep 8th, 2001, 08:44:44 PM
So...what happened to all the people on the planet?

Ron Thrawn
Sep 8th, 2001, 08:45:31 PM
They were destroyed, because they broke the Imortality rules.

Keerrourri Sarrtarroa
Sep 8th, 2001, 08:48:08 PM
But....they are IMMORTAL :D

What happened?

Jeseth Cloak
Sep 8th, 2001, 08:59:00 PM
I don't know. That story just sounds really crappy to me. At least put a little more thought into it. It took me a good week to come up with the history and biological stats for my species, you're just coughing up something that is very non-descriptive and hazzey. :mad:

Admiral Lebron
Sep 8th, 2001, 09:03:48 PM
The people on the planet got sucked into the maw! And went to Kessel and became the spiders!

Jeseth Cloak
Sep 8th, 2001, 09:05:27 PM
And then they all had peanut-butter milk shakes. :D

Ron Thrawn
Sep 8th, 2001, 09:05:37 PM
The force destroyed them, for breaking the rules.
And, an Imortal can be killed by decapitation (head removal).
Also, if they break Imortality rules, they, along with a large chunk of a system, will be destroyed by the force.
They call it Holy Ground, and it is places where the force is realy strong, like thier home planet, or the temples on Yavin 4, or the cave on Dagobah, for a few examples.
Because the force powers Imortals, that super-conducted Force escapes, and if the place is already conducting the Force, it overloads.

<font color=green>Edited out broken code sig</font>

Keerrourri Sarrtarroa
Sep 8th, 2001, 09:12:22 PM
So we're treating the Force like...static cling, or something?

:x

Jeseth Cloak
Sep 8th, 2001, 09:15:13 PM
So if two "immortals" decided to destroyer Yavin IV, and then went to the Massassi Temples there on a kamakazee (spelling?) mission and started fighting, they could blow up a large chunk of the Yavin system, therein killing all of the RPers there and destroying the GJO? Do I have that right?

Ron Thrawn
Sep 8th, 2001, 09:16:27 PM
You could think of it that way.
The Force super-charges an Imortals body, so they can't die, unless you remove the cap, so to speak.
Then, that force power goes into the Imortal that killed him/her (it's always an Imortal, because no one else thinks to slash at the neck), making them slightly more powerful.
Unless it's at a Strong Force Location, then bad things happen, like blackhole fields popping up for no reason.

Keerrourri Sarrtarroa
Sep 8th, 2001, 09:18:27 PM
:x

Ron Thrawn
Sep 8th, 2001, 09:19:47 PM
Huh?

Jeseth Cloak
Sep 8th, 2001, 09:21:52 PM
I'm going to go make info on my species open to everyone in a thread... I always write about them in all of my RPs but I've never concentrated on them directly.

;; Walks out of the thread. ;;

Keerrourri Sarrtarroa
Sep 8th, 2001, 09:24:05 PM
Not a bad idea...

Force Master Hunter
Sep 8th, 2001, 11:20:44 PM
There is no way I'm going to let this slide.

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The Force super-charges an Imortals body, so they can't die, unless you remove the cap, so to speak.
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You exist in the Force. It can not keep your body going. You are a luminous being IN the Force. if the body takes mortal damage - any mortal damage - you die. Are you telling me you could step out a air lock and live? Get real. Are you telling me a X-Wing could crash land on yu and you live? Get real. This is a God Moding attempt. Not a chance Thrawn.

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Then, that force power goes into the Imortal that killed him/her (it's always an Imortal, because no one else thinks to slash at the neck), making them slightly more powerful.
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Then by that logic, Lounge Lizard and I can kill you with the mearest fart. Force Power is not transferrable like a ticket or shopping vocucher. I cant Kill someone and get their Force power. That's God Moding.

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Unless it's at a Strong Force Location, then bad things happen, like blackhole fields popping up for no reason
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So if I killed you, would my dunny refuse to flush? Is that the type of bad thing you refer to? Utterly implusable. I cant even begin to make it gel with Star Wars.

Admiral Lebron
Sep 8th, 2001, 11:23:40 PM
Go fight on Yavin 4!

Jeseth Cloak
Sep 8th, 2001, 11:46:46 PM
;; Kills Ron again by lopping his head off. ;;

I sure hope the OOC forum isn't "holy ground." :)

Keerrourri Sarrtarroa
Sep 8th, 2001, 11:49:17 PM
Uh oh...you've opened the gateway of Hell, and the Marzullos are coming back now!

All because we decapitated Ron in the OOC forum!

Admiral Lebron
Sep 8th, 2001, 11:53:30 PM
LoL..

IM me on AIM!

Gurney Devries
Sep 8th, 2001, 11:53:58 PM
FMH brings up a good point there: Are you saying that an "Immortal" can have a ship crash right on him and live through it? Or (cough, cough) jump into lava and live?

Ron Thrawn
Sep 9th, 2001, 11:07:30 AM
The ship would crash, he would live, but be so hurt, he can't move.
But, if he stepped out of an air lock, his head would explode from no pressure, and kill him, and the Force Power in him would just disipate.
And, with power absorbtion, it is an ability of an Imortal, but only from another Imortal, so they couldn't absorb from a Jedi or Sith.

Seth Darkserpent
Sep 9th, 2001, 11:50:44 AM
@_@

Sorry...but I MUST do this.

It's spelled...<font size=7>IMMORTAL!

Marcus QDunn
Sep 9th, 2001, 06:33:25 PM
The more I read of this attempt to bypass god moding, the more perplexed I get.


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The ship would crash, he would live, but be so hurt, he can't move.
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And if it was say a Star Destroyer? Why dont you just see how totally illogical your statment was

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But, if he stepped out of an air lock, his head would explode from no pressure, and kill him, and the Force Power in him would just disipate.
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No, his WHOLE body would explode. And didnt you say the only way a immortal can die is a headacetamy?

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And, with power absorbtion, it is an ability of an Imortal, but only from another Imortal, so they couldn't absorb from a Jedi or Sith.
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In other words, rot. You cant absorb another Force power, full stop.

Morgan Evanar
Sep 9th, 2001, 06:59:07 PM
WE SAID NO. NOW GIVE UP.

Sanis Prent
Sep 9th, 2001, 07:00:19 PM
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Jeseth Cloak
Sep 9th, 2001, 08:11:02 PM
You've been set up the bomb, sucka'.

Nichos Marr
Sep 9th, 2001, 08:11:22 PM
ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US! MAKE YOUR TIME!

Miryan no Trunks
Sep 9th, 2001, 10:12:34 PM
Funny funny. He's comparing his god-moding, to the vast amounts of DBZ I use in my posts /=) (You know, those huge energy blasts I'm always attacking people with, and the whole Oozaru bit, yep, I've killed more people just using That...)

No comparison Ron, I have only used Ki to actually attack a person once since january, and that was when sparring against a Sith Master /=) And I mean, I even asked him if I Could before posting it.

Secondly, and off the topic, I was mistaken Vega, Lagomorphs are a species of rodents with fangs >_<

The proper term for half/halfs is Lycanthrope >_<

And Back On the topic, Ron, if the admins say you can't use it, you can't use it :) Fairly plain and simple right there. You can't make the people who uphold the laws around here bend to you.

"No No Officer, If you don't give me a Tiny sentance, or just a slap on the wrist, I'm not going to jail at ALL for shooting your partner"

Nupraptor
Sep 9th, 2001, 10:16:33 PM
I got one! If you were hit by Turbolaser fire, would you survive? Right.

Miryan no Trunks
Sep 9th, 2001, 10:33:11 PM
Or, if someone hit you really hard in the head with a big fat anime sledgehammer, it would crush your brain.. Would that kill you?

http://thatryanguy.clanpages.com/mnt-big_fat_anime_sledgehammer1.gif

:evil:

Admiral Lebron
Sep 9th, 2001, 10:51:53 PM
What if some extracted your head and brain stem along with bits of the upper chest and lungs from your body.. would you still live?

Ryu Warusa
Sep 9th, 2001, 10:56:49 PM
How about if a Cizerack eats you? Or I drain all of the fluid from your head? Or, land my ship on you and crush your body to a pulp, or pop your heead like a pimple? Or make you swallow a grenade?

Nupraptor
Sep 9th, 2001, 11:00:01 PM
How about if a Cizerack eats you?Actually, that already happened. :p

Ryu Warusa
Sep 9th, 2001, 11:27:09 PM
Good, then why is this thread still going?

Nupraptor
Sep 9th, 2001, 11:30:47 PM
Because he's claiming to be immortal. :|

Sanis Prent
Sep 9th, 2001, 11:35:31 PM
LOL :evil:

Liam Jinn
Sep 9th, 2001, 11:36:22 PM
I thought he was claiming to be 'imortal' :)

Miryan no Trunks
Sep 9th, 2001, 11:39:23 PM
Thought he was claiming to have been Ressurected by an immortal, thereby making Him an immortal.

*Takes out his sword and lops his own head off*

*Random Immortal #20039 walks in and ressurects him*

And now, I Too, am Immortal :)

Sanis Prent
Sep 10th, 2001, 12:34:47 AM
Can the Cizerack eat you, Miryan? :)

Jeseth Cloak
Sep 10th, 2001, 01:03:40 AM
The secret of immortality is that one attains it through traveling through a Cizerack's digestive track... Shh... ;)

Firebird1
Sep 10th, 2001, 01:52:23 AM
Good God! He's Leftovers!!!! LOL :lol:
Now the Ciz shouldn't play with their food!!!

Miryan no Trunks
Sep 10th, 2001, 02:32:53 AM
Well, one Could.. but I'd still rather they didn't, it's that whole ending-up-leaving-a-Colon-somewhere bit that kinda turns me from the idea.. ¡^_^

The Real question to ask Ron though.. He was half-eaten by a Cizerack, and left to die in a cage, correct?

How the hell'd he get to an immortal/have an immortal come and ressurect him? Also, How'd the immortal know where to find the Rest of his body?

Edit: Ooh, Ooh, More

Alllsooo.... Ok. He can't go certain places, he can't take force power from anyone else, cause there Are no other immortals, and if he made some to take their power and suppossedly grow Stronger, that'd be god-moding or illegal in Some sense, If I'm correct.

He gains no extra power from being immortal, can't use the light side or dark side of the force, because he can't be sith or jedi, or anything But immortal.

What DOES he gain from immortality? A title that labels him "god-moder", and the ability not to die unless he wants to.

...

Wait... no, RP'ers around here can't die if they don't want to Anyways.. But on the Upside for the rest of us, that essentially means we can chop off his arms, legs, lower torso, peel off his skin and muscles, and smash all the bones in his body, so long as we don't stop the functioning of his brain, be it from beheading, or just destroying the organ.

And we've got little to worry about, cause he can't die, and can apparantly ressurect/heal himself to being as good as new, with no problem :)

Cirrsseeto Raurrssatta
Sep 10th, 2001, 02:36:58 AM
...and does he come back as a stump?

Jedi Neo
Sep 10th, 2001, 02:58:39 AM
Well this is unpleasent busness....
::Begins to set up a Grill.::
Now I need 50 gal of BBQ sauce.... A 7 foot skewer, and about the whole RP community here to be hungry for some Ron BBQ.... UNless of course you don't want to eat him then I'll need something to do with 50 gal of BBQ sauce.

Cizerack Hunter Forces
Sep 10th, 2001, 03:09:55 AM
We prefer raw meat. Blood is the best sauce of all =^,,^=

Jedi Neo
Sep 10th, 2001, 03:16:16 AM
Then you all can have his blood as a nice refreshing drink. :)

Cizerack Hunter Forces
Sep 10th, 2001, 03:29:40 AM
mmm

Juniper Obelisk
Sep 10th, 2001, 12:17:53 PM
:lol: :lol: !! Okay, Ow... Note to self, laughing hurts...


But, seriously.. :| Ron, your explination makes no sense. One, I thought you said the 'imortals' were destroyed. So how would one make you immortal? Two...What rules? I've never known there to be a strict set of rules that would give the Force a mind in order to destroy people on it's own.. Supposedly immortal people at that.. And three, you can't have a character that is relatively weak, and now without limbs, and suddenly have an imaginary, NON EXISTENT character make you "able to use the force at levels above even todays masters" Which, to my understanding, is how you get to be immortal.

Unless I've misread something, your explinations are very rough, lame, and above all, count as god-moding. You've dug your grave. Now die in it. :p

Seerrasseei Tsseerra
Sep 10th, 2001, 03:51:40 PM
*sighs* somebody just needs to put this boy out of his misery.....immortality is just not allowed by the rules of these boards period....

Ryu Warusa
Sep 10th, 2001, 03:53:31 PM
You know, theres one problem with being able to chop off parts of his body. The problem is this annoying little rule called 'No Maiming'. Though, when the time comes I probably won't follow that rule seeing as people can heal and get robotic parts, like Luke! So, what I'm saying is, I have dibs on his Heart, I must eat his heart....

Morgan Evanar
Sep 10th, 2001, 04:45:29 PM
You can maim and kill with permission.

Miryan no Trunks
Sep 10th, 2001, 05:39:46 PM
Ryu, he's immortal, and can bring himself back with his body perfect again :) Maiming doesn't really count in this case, IMO.

Sanis Prent
Sep 10th, 2001, 06:22:16 PM
(Waves the "I got permission" card)

:D

Admiral Lebron
Sep 10th, 2001, 06:44:20 PM
Can I have his kidneys and ears?

Seerrasseei Tsseerra
Sep 10th, 2001, 06:52:13 PM
hehe.....

Ron Thrawn
Sep 10th, 2001, 07:16:27 PM
Only ORIGINAL Imortals are that pwoerful, but they are all dead.
Also, most of these what if things are stuff that would only happen in an OOC joke thread.
Also, Miryan, copping off a your head makes you ineligable for Imortality.
Also, I was only partialy dismembered, so i can replace missing part.
Instead of just thinking up things to block me, or just saying it can't happen, why not help SWize the concept?
That way, I will shut up, and this will not become an endless cat-fight.

Ogre Mal Pannis
Sep 10th, 2001, 07:22:16 PM
Immortals, if played by the correct person could be an interesting and reasonable facet of the game. However, I see no way that Ron could accomplish that(from what I have read here and other threads) and agree that his methods and rationales for using such abilities are nothing more than attempted god mode.

Seerrasseei Tsseerra
Sep 10th, 2001, 07:23:24 PM
the point is Thrawn that rules were made after someone broke the rules and did something they shouldn't....no immortality became one of those rules....

Ron Thrawn
Sep 10th, 2001, 07:27:03 PM
The reason I posted here is so the methods and rationals can change, with some help, but because I thought it up, and have been an @#%$ in the past, people just either veto the idea, or put insane what if's to put a kink in negotiations.

Seerrasseei Tsseerra
Sep 10th, 2001, 07:29:01 PM
well in case you hadn't noticed, rules don't change simply because one person wants them to.....immortality only causes problems in the long run.....

Ogre Mal Pannis
Sep 10th, 2001, 07:29:21 PM
Actually, immortals being here is not an original idea. I recall several players doing that in the past and none causing the response you have.

Perhaps moving a little slower into things would be better for you than jumping in with both feet, without proper preperation and consideration.

Ron Thrawn
Sep 10th, 2001, 07:36:48 PM
Still, afew mistakes and just because I think up a nice idea, at least 85% of the population denounces it, thinking that anything that came out of my mouth has to be a bad idea?
That is some sort of unclasified ism.

Miryan no Trunks
Sep 10th, 2001, 07:53:08 PM
Actually, 85% of the population are recognizing Immortality as a cheap way to not get too badly wounded, or ever dying. I mean, if you could think up and explain how the force causes the person to never die, and live forever, if you could properly explain just what it is that Makes them immortal, and causes power to be siphoned from one immortal to another when one dies, if you could actually think up believable reasons for the things you're saying, to happen.. Then we might really consider it.

And don't complain that we're trying to shoot your idea down just cause it came from you.

We're shooting it down cause you can't defend it, aside from "cause I say so"isms. If you can explain it in a way that makes it seem believable, according to the rules (fighting in a certain place causes the system to go boom? riiight...) you'll be a LOT more likely to get positive responses..

Ron Thrawn
Sep 10th, 2001, 08:00:47 PM
The originals evolved the ability, the non-originals can pass the ability, like a copy and paste, andwith the system going boom, only a little of the power is siphoned, somewhat like how a wet sponge picks up more water than a dry sponge, but not a ton of water, so the rest of the power leaves, and if it's in an area that has a lot of force power in it, it overloads, and the force just rips apart at the seams.
And, i know there are some people who genuinly think it's a bad idea, but there are others that think it's bad becuase I thought it up.

Miryan no Trunks
Sep 10th, 2001, 08:15:42 PM
So why should anyone be given such tremendous power?

Basically, you're saying that cause an "immortal" revived you, you have power that far exceeds that of anyone else here. Not even the strongest of Sith or Jedi can cause the Force to rip apart like that.

Realistically, the most realistic scenario I can think of, where an Immortal would be ok here, is if you made up a new character, not human, new species, who's immortal. All he'd have is the title Immortal, cause you can't die if you don't want to Anyways. What being Immortal would do, would simply provide a certain personality/set of traits for your character.. Like only using swords, cause that's what they do, or having exceedingly long hair, or some such junk.

Plus, you'd have to explain Why they're immortal.. Say their kind doesn't have an afterlife, and as such, their soul won't leave their body, no matter what, rendering them effectively alive forever (Body can be brought back to a lab, and new parts could be added, or whatever. Course, you'd need someone to Want to bring them back, for some reason.) Of course, you'd need a better and more thought out reason than That..

You can't bring in a type of being, that would do nothing for the RP, other than give your character a huge boost in force power, and the ability to ignore trying to RP out of bad situations, by saying your character can't die.

Finally... if chopping off your head makes you ineligable for Immortality, does being half-eaten by a Cizerack make you Eligible?

Ron Thrawn
Sep 10th, 2001, 08:35:37 PM
No, they cannot conciously rip the Force apart, they actualy try to avoid that.
Also, as long as the haed is attached to the body, they can be revived.
And, they wouldn't dual a Jedi or Sith, they would leave, but they would fight in space battles, or with Infantry.
And, I have explained why.
An Immortal has the abbility to infuse a corpse with the Force, so they came to life, much like how the Force itself revived Luke Skywalker in The Courtship of Princess Leia.

Sanis Prent
Sep 10th, 2001, 08:38:40 PM
I see no problem in a race that has an "infinite" or "near-infinite" lifespan.

However...having a being that simply cannot be killed by any means minus one....its a bit much. No, its a lot much. You might say that it doesn't matter, cause you don't have to let your character die anyways, but what it does is remove certain factors from the RP.

For example, if I pointed my shellgun at somebody, and said that they should get me a beer or I'd blow a hyperspeed shell through their chest....they would probably comply with that, as....their character at least recognizes the possibility for death.

What you are suggesting absolutely destroys that aspect of RP, which makes it all very bland.

I'm not shooting down this idea because of you. I am shooting down this idea because it just plain bites. If Ogre thought it up, I'd tell him the same thing. In fact, I've had talks with LV and Akrabbim, whom I am very good friends with...basically telling them that one of their ideas simply wouldn't float at all.

Its not something that I relish in doing....but I try to be objective.

Ron Thrawn
Sep 10th, 2001, 08:40:53 PM
You are also an exception.
Immortals try to blend in, so an Immortal would comply.

Sanis Prent
Sep 10th, 2001, 08:45:21 PM
You wouldn't comply if it were something more important to your character...aka, maybe a hostage situation, or the like. When the stakes of the decision rise, you'd change your mind, as you don't have to worry about consequences from being attacked.

Ron Thrawn
Sep 10th, 2001, 08:47:09 PM
Yes, but Immortals keep a low profile, and appear normal to normal people, and act normal, they even pretend to die.
All to stay out of the spotlight.

Cirrsseeto Raurrssatta
Sep 10th, 2001, 08:49:22 PM
|I .....then what is the POINT?

Miryan no Trunks
Sep 10th, 2001, 08:50:21 PM
So what's the point of having him Be immortal?

All it does is extremely limit what you can do in the RP, with no real benefits.

Ron Thrawn
Sep 10th, 2001, 08:54:15 PM
It doesn't limit it much.
It only banns me from duals, except with other Immortals.
The point is, it's an interesting concept, and I want to go on after my unfortunate visit to TSO so long ago.
(to the tune of Omabolasiera)
I got into fight with a Cizzerak, and was dragged back to Carshoulis,
I was eaten, and badly beaten, but the would not let my through,
What could I do? Become Imortal to.

Miryan no Trunks
Sep 10th, 2001, 09:01:15 PM
So you RP an escape =/

They got bored of having you around, took your near-dead carcass and flushed it down the toilet or something. You get out, make a distress call through the force to another character, who takes you to a hospital, and you spend a few months in a bacta tank getting healed. You're still missing limbs, but have a few spare cred's in an account, which you use to pay for Cybernetic limbs to replace them with.

Then, you challenge someone, or start up an RP, Prove to everyone here that you've learned from your mistakes, and are a worthy RPer, and try to join a group, or whatever you want to do from there.

You really haven't explain being an Immortal in a way that would make it a useful part of the SWfans community, or even one that follows the rules that have been set For SWfans.. As such, no-one's going to accept it..

Ron Thrawn
Sep 10th, 2001, 09:03:35 PM
I also think Immortals are a very interesting concept, and who would answer my Force call?
Vertually everone would like me better as Cizzerak crap.

Miryan no Trunks
Sep 10th, 2001, 09:04:52 PM
So make up a character for that purpose =/ It's not really god-moding if its only reason for existing is to stop your character from dying when you don't want him to.. (I don't Think so, Anyways..)

Ron Thrawn
Sep 10th, 2001, 09:06:00 PM
Well, Mhalbrecht the Magician is a made up character there to recue my body, an ressurect it.

Miryan no Trunks
Sep 10th, 2001, 09:09:14 PM
Immortality and Ressurection are essentially god-moding... Getting to a hospital and being brought back from the brink of death, is not.

Ron Thrawn
Sep 10th, 2001, 09:10:32 PM
I am WAY over the brink of death.
If you havent noticed, I'm the main course at a dinner party!

Miryan no Trunks
Sep 10th, 2001, 09:13:09 PM
You were half eaten. Lost a couple of limbs.

Amazing the things they can do with a pool of bacta, and cybernetics nowadays.

Liam Jinn
Sep 10th, 2001, 09:17:30 PM
bah, this @#%$ is still going on? I would've thought that Ron would get the point by now. Isn't this discussion over then?

Miryan no Trunks
Sep 10th, 2001, 09:20:02 PM
Has he got the point yet?

SAURRON
Sep 10th, 2001, 10:28:04 PM
For example, if I pointed my shellgun at somebody, and said that they should get me a beer or I'd blow a hyperspeed shell through their chest....they would probably comply with that, as....their character at least recognizes the possibility for death.

Grabs him a beer...

Remembers having a problem with the bullet himself...


BTW Yes there still are Vamps and I don't believe one of us has turned to mist at sw fans.

Daemon Hyfe
Sep 10th, 2001, 10:36:15 PM
I didn't read this whole thread, only the first post. My comment is:

Go to a @#%$ Highlander board.

Liam Jinn
Sep 10th, 2001, 11:09:10 PM
Daemon, shush. If you're gonna say something like that to him, you might as well say it to all the other things brought into this RP. Aye, his explinations are @#%$, but I still don't think chasing people off is a good answer.

Gitane Blesse
Sep 11th, 2001, 09:30:30 AM
Ron, do you even bother reading what people spend time writing? Because, at least in my point of view, you're just spitting out the same @#%$ over and over again. It's God Moding to have a character suddenly only be able to be killed ONE WAY. True, there are some races out there that are actual Star Wars races that may seem to live forever because they live quite a bit longer than any human

*but* they can die just like anyone else!

Therefore, even though they may have a longer life expectancy, they can be killed. What you're trying here is to, first, after acting like a total idiot while RPing with the Cizerack, suddenly have a ship know where you are and rescue you out of the blue by simply bursting into an *inclosed structure* and plucking you up off the spot. You then go and, without RPing it out even, say that you've been changed into an immortal. What person with even the most open mind would accept that?

True, the idea may be intresting, but you're also saying that you could only battle people who you make up, since there are no other 'immortals' in SWFans. Hmm... Rather an easy win when your opponent doesn't exist, neh?

Vega Van Derveld
Sep 11th, 2001, 12:19:40 PM
I'm not sure if I missed them, but could you please list the disadvantages/drawbacks of the Imortals Ron's, just so I'm kinda clear on the limitations you've given yourself?

Ron Thrawn
Sep 11th, 2001, 06:03:59 PM
Miryan, all the bacta and cybernetics in the galaxy can't help a dead guy.
For the rest of you:
I can only not DUAL a non-Immortal.
Also, without concent I can't die anyway, and as part of Immortality, I will try to blend in, by acting normal, except in the prescense of only other Immortals.

Gitane Blesse
Sep 11th, 2001, 07:40:55 PM
Your attempt has not been accepted, Ron. Go bug another RPG with it. They may let it pass if they don't know you.

Ron Thrawn
Sep 11th, 2001, 08:48:23 PM
I won't drop this yet.
On a side note, this is almost the longest thread I ever started.

Darth Turbogeek
Sep 11th, 2001, 09:14:52 PM
Drop it.

What part of the word NO dont you understand?

Ron Thrawn
Sep 11th, 2001, 09:16:31 PM
I will not drop it until I get 10 pages on this thread.
That will break my personal record.

Darth Turbogeek
Sep 11th, 2001, 09:23:43 PM
Fine, I'll close the damn thing then

Ron Thrawn
Sep 11th, 2001, 09:24:19 PM
j/k