Dance, yes dance...

[Sanis Prent]

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[Nichos Marr]

That's awful, they even have the children celebrating.

[Captain Tohmahawk]

Delete that post. We dont need deliberate hate mongering.

[Jedah Lynch]

Once saw a newscast in which one man was training his kid to shoot his AK47(?) and said he would celebrate if he killed some poeple as such.

Got to wonder what makes people think such things. Like to give them a good shouting at to knock some common sense in them.

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[Nichos Marr]

I can't even look at that picture anymore. It sends chills down my spine.

[Sanis Prent]

Not hate mongering....only a solemn promise. Their acts of hatred won't be appreciated or tolerated.

[Captain Tohmahawk]

Well I dont bloody appreciate it. These people didnt do it. They regard USA as a great Satan and they have suffered at the hands of Israel for years.

Yes it's sick they celebrate. But they didnt do it.

[ReaperFett]

it's sad how propaganda can influence. It's just like the Germans pre-WW2

[Sanis Prent]

Their feelings create Bin Ladin's Jihad soldiers....they are just as guilty as he is, I swear it.

[Gurney Devries]

You know what? I don't think that anyone in another country has the right to critiscize or codemn Americans for the way they're feeling right now. If you're not going to be supportive, then I think you should STFU.

It's not propaganda: It's a way of coping. You can give me all the moral rationalizations you want, and I'm going to tell you that they're utter crap. You try telling the families and friends of the dead that it's not right to want revenge on the people who did this. Anyone who celebrates the loss of tens of thousands of innocent lives is just as bad as the terrorists themselves, in my book.

The attack on the Pentagon is what's known as a valid military strike: The attack on the World Trade Centers is nothing but the slaughter of totally uninvolved innocents. If that's the game they want to play, then so be it.

[Captain Tohmahawk]

I listened to Stern this morning on my way to a job (I'm in Canada, BTW) -- now I know that Howard Stern is actually quite intelligent; he knows how to work the crowd and how to stay on the air this long. A stupid man would not have the success he is having.

But hearing him call for nukes and wiping out all Muslims... that sent chills down my spine. Not so much because he said it but because I know there are countless morons who believe he is right and help "spread his word" without thinking. While he may have been doing it for ratings and calls, there are too many people who'd take him seriously.

Listen up, people: the Muslims are not to blame. Nor the Iraqi's, nor the Afghanistans. This is not an attack by a race or religion: this is an attack by a bunch of crazed psychopaths and extremists, and indirectly by the governments who support and/or harbour them. The Muslims are scared shitless and it's disgusting that even here in Canada, death threats have been called in to Mosques and Muslim high schools. I've heard that tens of thousands of callers are reporting their mid-eastern neighbours as suspects because they're different.

Make no mistake: the people terrorizing the Muslim and other middle-eastern population are no better than the @#%$-eating scum who are terrorizing the United States.

The solution is not to wipe Afghanistan off the earth, and it certainly is not a nuclear solution. Many people living in Afghanistan cannot afford to move or evacuate, and I am uncertain as to whether the Afganistan goverment can afford to evacuate them. Regardless, the majority of Afghans are innocent civilians and retailiating against them is barbaric and useless. Bombing innocent people is wrong no matter where they are, and a nation as wealthy and powerful as the United States should know that!

What's the solution? I don't know. I would far prefer surgical strike(s) and occupation of the regions which are known to support these extremists. Cut them off at the source, but minimize the civilian casualties. That is honourable. That is noble. That is a civilized response. Not "Nuke the sand niggers off the face of the planet" as I have heard and read.

Another solution (additional solution) would be to put a eight or even nine digit USD price tag on known terrorist's heads. Obviously this idea needs more fleshing out but I wonder how loyal their followers would be?

Get it straight: Not all white people are card-carrying members of Aryan Nation or the KKK. Not all Americans are stupid white trash who can't see the world beyond their borders. Not all Muslims are terrorists and extremists. How would you like to be terrorized because of how you look or where you're from?


I dont believe anyone has said it better. Why are people stirring hatred - until those responsible are identified it could be your own American borthers who did this. Once you know who THEN go and wipe out who is directly responsible.

[ReaperFett]

Stern said that? Over here, our main Radio station (Radio 1) played nothing but music, except for news reports, as a mark of respect, as its wrong to have comedy (Chris Moyles is similar to Stern). But what he said is crap

[Gurney Devries]

Of course: If you're going to punish someone for a crime, make sure that you got the right person.

However, I balk when I hear people saying that it wouldn't be right to retaliate against an entire country for their actions. This is Pearl Harbor take 2, people. Just because the culprits are being more clandestine in their actions doesn't make it anything less than that. Right now, the Americans are a tightly wound spring. Once we find out for certain who is responsible, the Gates of Hell itself will be opened.

[Gurney Devries]

How would you like to be terrorized because of how you look or where you're from?Isn't that what has happened? All of those people died for no other reason than that they lived in America.

[Pierce Tondry]

If that's the game they want to play, then so be it.

And how far are you willing to go down that path, Devries? Do you plan to smuggle nuclear warheads into Palestine and Afghanistan and then torch them all simultaneously? Would you blow up a power plant in a country that supplies power to both a military base and a hospital? Can you strap a bomb to your child, brother, or parent, and send them over to give known terrorists a hug, then be the one that presses the button that will send them into oblivion?

Can you look a man you don't know in the eyes and shoot him dead?

How sure are you that you want to pick the dice up and play that kind of game?

Wanting revenge is wrong- we all know that and when the dust settles and the hurt fades to a dull ache that will be manageable in the future, we may regret taking rash actions that yesterday seemed like absolutely the right thing to do.

There can be punishment without revenge, but right now our goal should be not to focus on punishment, but to help heal those wounds created yesterday.

[Cerasi]

Hey, personally I like Prent's banner, way to go Prent! :D

[Sanis Prent]

Its less of a "lets get revenge" thing and more of a "we will stop the encouragement of this awful behavior" thing. That is something that NOBODY should ever do, much less encourage their children to do....the fact that these people find no fault in this is testament to what this crusade needs to accomplish. We need to teach right and wrong.

[FightingChance]

I'm ready to go over to Michigan and Afgan and blow their
#!$&% heads off. I mean it. They want to party when we lose women and children. We'll see who's partying when my AMRAM and Sidewinders smash into your house and kill your family. As Bush implied, we'll kick there @$$'s and whoever is harboring them, once we find out.

[Seth Darkserpent]

With that attitude, you're no better then they are FightingChance.

[Cerasi]

Right on! I say we nuke 'em.

[Pierce Tondry]

I agree with that, Sanis, but I think the teaching shouldn't be done at gunpoint.

Remember your history. Remember the American Civil War, the South, and Reconstruction. Following the path of excess punishment will only deepen and lock in the hatred and resentment that affects the U.S. even today.

[Captain Tohmahawk]

Cerasi, And you too are no better than they are. Didn't you read my post?

Jeez, just going and saying NUKING them is making things worse an aint going to fix anything!!!

[FightingChance]

I'm not saying Nuke them, anymore, but if they dance over our loss, it's our damned right to send a few bullets to whoever harbors them. I'm not saying go out of our ways to kill them, not really, but if they is hiding in a city, destroy the city. Make them feel the pain and anguish it is to have your family and cities destroyed and hurt. Police conflicts will get us nowhere, war is what must be done.

[Captain Tohmahawk]

Oh yeah, kill a few MORE innocent people. Great.

No more innocent lives? What the @#%$ is it with you people? And what happens when any government stupid enough to carry out this policy has to deal with chemical/biological/nuclear incidents on US soil afterwards?

Push yourself off the cliff, mister. I'm no @#%$ lemming.

[Seth Darkserpent]

. Make them feel the pain and anguish it is to have your family and cities destroyed and hurt. Police conflicts will get us nowhere, war is what must be done.

Again you're jumping from being just as bad as them, to surpassing them. What kind of sick human being wants war to see justice served?

Perhaps your time would be better spent, trying to heal the wounds that were caused, rather then causing more.

[Cerasi]

Yeah, I read your post, I ain't stupid, I know what you're sayin'. And last time I checked I still had the right to my own opinion. And it's my opinion that we nuke them. I didn't say anyone had to agree with me.

[FightingChance]

Fine. I'll listen to your opinions, when you have an uncle have a gas tank explode on him, cause of a plane hijacked by some asswipe, then I'll consider them. Until then, you're opinions on this topic mean jack%&#! to me.

[Gurney Devries]

How far do I plan to go? Nothing else than a reasonable military retaliation. If you want to hear someone saying that "Revenge is wrong", I'll go read a book. Revenge, properly directed, is not wrong. Because what else is "Justice" but a controlled desire for revenge?
And what happens when any government stupid enough to carry out this policy has to deal with chemical/biological/nuclear incidents on US soil afterwards?I agree that Nukes are an idiotic idea. I don't think the vast majority of the people have any idea what the usage of Nuclear Weapons entails. However, there are many other ways to handle this.

[Cerasi]

Sorry about your uncle dude, but it doesn't change how I feel.

[Seth Darkserpent]

Revenge, properly directed, is not wrong.

I agree with that. Properly directed, not flying over Afghan and obliterating their whole country.

[Gurney Devries]

I agree with that statement, but for different reasons, I suspect. If it turns out that the Afghani gov't was involved, then they have committed themselves to war and deserve what they get. In which case, you don't kill innocent civilians: You destroy their military and occupy their country.

However, I am not saying that they were involved: Just using this as a hypothetical situation.

[Sanis Prent]

Of course not....when in the age of smart warfare has the US carried attrition tactics out?

Why would we do that? We maintain a practice of surgical strikes, and this is something we should definitely use against our enemies.

Hell, even in the Gulf War, we were broadcasting to the Iraquis that we were about to blow their tanks up, giving them enough time to run away from their vehicles.

[Pierce Tondry]

Because what else is "Justice" but a controlled desire for revenge?

That's a good question. In my heart, I believe that justice is inflicting pain in equal measure to that which has been inflicted in a way that not only communicates the full hurt of what has happened, but also encourages the sentenced and others who feel the same way to recognize and respect the boundary they have crossed while not crossing that same boundary ourselves.

[Seth Darkserpent]

If the Afghani government was involved, may God have mercy on their souls...Whoever did this, stung America, badly. I have no doubt that once-discovered the terrorists won't even survive long enough to see the fly swatter smack into them.

[Gurney Devries]

That's a good question. In my heart, I believe that justice is inflicting pain in equal measure to that which has been inflicted in a way that not only communicates the full hurt of what has happened, but also encourages the sentenced and others who feel the same way to recognize and respect the boundary they have crossed while not crossing that same boundary ourselves.And isn't that the same as the desire for revenge? To inflict a wound of equal measure on someone who has hurt you?

[Pierce Tondry]

I don't use the word revenge that way.

To me, revenge is deeper. Revenge is inflicting equal hurt plus equal hurt, or equal hurt times two. Revenge goes beyond appropriate measures. Revenge would be, not just one Twin Tower disaster inflicted on the enemy, but two at least and more likely four or five. Maybe even ten if things were bad enough.

Imagine our current emotions and feelings times two. Hell, imagine them times ten. Then you will understand why some people here have been as outspoken as they have about the topic of revenge.

If you mean you want "eye for an eye" policy to be enacted, say justice. If you want to squeeze the people who did this until their hair bleeds, and then do the same thing to everyone they've ever interacted with because they didn't stop those people before this attack, say revenge.

[Gurney Devries]

That may be your definition, but I don't have to abide by it. In my mind, "Justice" is a nicer name for "Revenge", used because people have it in their head that civilized men and women don't seek revenge.

I think we basically stand on the same ground here, but we're just seperated by technicalities of terms.

[Pierce Tondry]

It is true that you don't have to abide by my definitions. If you don't, though, it is a good to make your own definitions clear so that people don't talk to each other in parallel purposes, like I believe we just did.

After all, I don't think we want to go around saying the wrong things to each other at a time like this.

[Gurney Devries]

When I said "I don't have to abide by it", I didn't mean that in an aggressive way. Only that, in my mind, it has a different definition. You told me that I should use one term for one thing, another another for something else. My response should be seen as "I'll use the term that I think is appropriate." Without getting into a much, much lengthier discussion on psychology, suffice it to say that I see the two words as nearly synonymous.

[Pierce Tondry]

Well, I think everything has been said that needed to be said then.

*Extends hand.* Still fellow Americans?

[Gurney Devries]

(shakes the hand vigorously)

But of course. :)

[Live Wire]

One of my professors brought up an interesting point today in class. You notice the pics of the people celebrating...they always show like the same 15-20 people.....but yet they make it seem like the entire country is celebrating. Kind of interesting how the media shows you just a little slice but we really have no idea what popular opinion over there is. I think it was in bad taste for the media to keep playing it cause all it does is insight hatred. And theres enough of that flying around.

[Anbiraa Hicchoru]

What about the flag-burners and chanting mobs screaming "Death to America"

We've seen these idiots since the 70's....surely they're not the same 20 people.

I'm not saying its the majority, but its DEFINITELY a popular conception over there...and that has to END!

[Captain Tohmahawk]

That's where freedom of speech and freedom of expression bites you on the butt.

They have every right to express what they think, sick as it is.

[Cirrsseeto Raurrssatta]

Actually...there is such a thing as a "clear and present danger" clause, that draws a line between free speech, and speech that spreads seditious acts of terror. Study legal precedents, its a common misconception.

Truth be told...you are NOT free to say anything you want to say.

I can't go into an airplane and say "BOMB! BOMB!"

[Lady Vader]

That's a good point, LW.

I saw some attacks today on mosques here in the States (not sure if it was here in CA or somewhere else). Those news reels and PICTURES don't help in calming people's rages down towards what has happened.

Innocent American's with Arab decent are being targeted due to what people are seeing happening in the Mid-East. They've been forced to shut down elementary and high schools run by Arab communities for fear of lives being threatened, or worse, taken.

I for one say we shouldn't encourage the visuals of the people over there celebrating our loss and damage. It doesn't help in the cause towards healing and just retribution in the US.

[Cirrsseeto Raurrssatta]

(declines to comment)

[SAURRON]

This is what I see.

Some of you preaching.

Some of us venting.

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. So save your telling me being angry at those idiots passing out little cakes and dancing around is wrong. OK?

You can't bottle anger it just makes it worse.

On a more calm note: I do want to say thank you to those of you who are not Americans who have taken the time to post with your condolences for America. It does mean a lot.

I guess when your the big boy on the block you have to expect to be targeted. Bigger they are the harder they fall right? Well, this big boy always gets back up. Then hits harder.

See it's not really revenge per say. It's just us saying don't @#%$ with us or its your ass. A deterrent if you will for the next time they are sitting around thinking of a way to send us a message. We got your message and there is some return mail coming your way.

Like I said, it may not be a massive military movement (which about 80 percent is in favor for) but you know we have people over there, we have people everywhere, something will happen. If my country decides to retaliate against a war declaring attack such as the one on the Trade Centers and the Pentagon, then I will support it.

Yes, more people will die, (that is why we have the military we do) but the flying of two jumbo jets into two of our largest buildings is no different from launching military missiles into them. It is an act of war. Plain and simple. No, it is not just a few madmen running around. It is far more complex. They had support of a government. All we have to do is figure out who we go after first. If it is Afghanistan then so be it. We rolled over Iraq and we will them too. See, even if Pakistan gets a little froggy we will handle them too.

BTW word is, all of NATO will support the US.

These views may make your stomach turn my friends, but just remember every thing happens for a reason and imo is the will of God. If there is a war to be fought...it is the will of God. If many, many, innocent people are to die by by the hands terrorists...it is the will of God.

Now that I've done my preaching all you other preachers out there let us deal...all right?

Thanks :)

[Lady DeVille]

Why cant we all just get along?

American military and covert actions all around the world (mostly hidden from the American people by the controlled media) have caused many countries to hate the US and the actions we take. Try to see a film called "Life and Debt" which shows how we destroyed the economy of Jamaica through IMF and World Bank loans. That film just details a small example. Last week we bombed Iraq twice. Civilians died. I didn't see that on the mainstream media.

I saw the whole thing from my window which directly faces what used to be the World Trade Center. We're approx. 15 blocks north. We're OK.

Rhio

<< Im glad you're ok..
I am so depressed.. it just is such a horrible day. and I'm so far away from all the chaos.... still, I feel it.

R: Imagine to see it with your own eyes. We're going to walk down there today, at least as far as they will let us go. What else can we do? - give blood. Pray. Hope that there is no military retaliation against innocent people. (Not likely with those in power right now.) Pray for sanity and PEACE.

The people of New York are so brave, the firefighters. One of them road down with the building (from the 82nd floor) when it collapsed and is still alive.
There is hope that many are still alive in the basement and sub basements. I think there are five sub basements. But it is a slow process digging them out and of course there are many, many dead. And now another building has caught fire. We see the smoke billowing again. Also, someone called the
radio station and said that he had worked on those builldings thirty years ago when they were built and he knew for a fact that the cabling was insulated with asbestos so in all the rubble, dust and smoke that has come out there is also asbestos dust that people are breathing. We are about 15
blocks north directly in front. The wind has not brought any of the smoke to us, at least not discernibly and we have five air filters at work and the air conditioners are off, but that's the best that we can do. But what about others?

Yeah.. I know America is full of self-centered-ness.........

I just fear that this is only the beginning.. And I was really hoping that I would never have to experience war in my life time.

R: But there has been war in your lifetime; we've just been so
insulated against it. We don't hear much about it. And generally we only hear the viewpoint that the government wants us to hear, unless we dig deeper. Below is an editorial that someone sent me.

Rhio


Libertarian Party's 2000 Presidential Candidate.

www.antiwar.com/orig/browne2.html (http://www.antiwar.com/orig/browne2.html)


When Will We Learn?

by Harry Browne

September 12, 2001

The terrorist attacks against America comprise a horrible tragedy.

But they shouldn't be a surprise.

It is well known that in war, the first casualty is truth -that during any war truth is forsaken for propaganda. But sanity was a prior casualty: it was the loss of sanity that led to war in the first place.

Our foreign policy has been insane for decades. It was only a matter of time until Americans would have to suffer personally for it. It is a terrible tragedy of life that the innocent so often have to suffer for the sins of the guilty. When will we learn that we can't allow our politicians to bully the world without someone bullying back eventually?
President Bush has authorized continued bombing of innocent people in Iraq. President Clinton bombed innocent people in the Sudan, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Serbia. President Bush Senior invaded Iraq and Panama. President Reagan bombed innocent people in Libya and invaded Grenada. And on and on it goes.
Did we think the people who lost their families and friends and property in all that destruction would love America for what happened?
When will we learn that violence always begets violence?

Teaching Lessons

Supposedly, Reagan bombed Libya to teach Muammar al-Qaddafi a lesson about terrorism. But shortly thereafter a TWA plane was destroyed over Scotland, and our government is convinced it was Libyans who did it. When will we learn that "teaching someone a lesson" never teaches anything but resentment ,that it only inspires the recipient to greater acts of defiance.

How many times on Tuesday did we hear someone describe the terrorist attacks as "cowardly acts"? But as misguided and despicable as they were, they were anything but cowardly. The people who committed them knowingly gave their lives for whatever stupid beliefs they held.
But what about the American presidents who order bombings of innocent people ,while the presidents remain completely insulated from any danger? What would you call their acts?

When will we learn that forsaking truth and reason in the heat of battle almost always assures that we will lose the battle?

Losing our Last Freedoms

And now, as sure as night follows day, we will be told we must give up more of our freedoms to avenge what never should have happened in the first place. When will we learn that it makes no sense to give up our freedoms in the name of freedom?

What to Do

What should be done? First of all, stop the hysteria. Stand back and ask how this could have happened. Ask how a prosperous country isolated by two oceans could have so embroiled itself in other people's business that someone would want to do us harm. Even sitting in the middle of Europe, Switzerland isn't beset by terrorist attacks, because the Swiss mind their own business.

Second, resolve that we won't let our leaders use this occasion to commit their own terrorist acts upon more innocent people, foreign and domestic, that will inspire more terrorist attacks in the future. Third, find a way, with enforceable constitutional limits, to prevent our leaders from ever again provoking this kind of anger against America.

Patriotism?

There are those who will say this article is unpatriotic and un-American, that this is not a time to question our country or our leaders.

When will we learn that without freedom and sanity, there is no reason to be patriotic?

(THIS IS ME NOW!! DE'VILLE)

I got these comments and article from a friend of mine in CA. And although I like Bush, I have to admit this made me think. But all my previous comments still stand, and I will stand by them.

[ReaperFett]

the BBC reporter over there said that it is a lot less than half celebrating.

[Captain Tohmahawk]

And what hatemongers who post pictures like this arent showing or saying...

There are far more people in the Middle East mourning for the USA. Praying for you. They feel the pain of the USA. Lebanon, Jerusalem, Syria, Even Iran and Pakistan. They cry for you too.

This terrible act is bringing the world together. The world prays together so that this type of hell never happens again

[Live Wire]

thats all that I was trying to say earlier...that the media is very one sided. Something pretty much everyone admits until they see something that they want to believe. So Im just encouraging a little objectivity.

[Dyne Darkforce]

You have to step away from all that is being said and done then take a look at it calmly. Being swept up with the media and all the anger can lead to more problems.

[Cirrsseeto Raurrssatta]

Objectivity, yes.

Action, yes.

In no way do we win in attacking civilians. We win in destroying weapons, communications, the will and means to carry out these acts of terror.

I'm sorry DeVille, that article you posted was quite slanted. Yes, civilian casualties were reported due to military strikes, but these were NOT strikes on innocents. Attrition assaults are not the policy of the modern US forces. They attack military, intelligence, information infrastructures....command & control of an enemy. They blind them, paralyze them, pluck out their fangs and claws, before these evil empires can hurt American servicemen, or their own people. Don't forget...these are the types of people who will protect missile batteries with human shields. They have done it before, and no doubt used these same casualties to claim that we deliberately bombed their innocents.

War is death, unfortunately. Unfortunately again, refusing to engage in this war is sure to be a far higher cost. The terrorists do not target command and control...they do not believe in loss minimalization. They practice mass murder, and body counts matter to them.

You ask me if I support war....YES I SUPPORT WAR!!! Two-hundred marines would line up to die for their country, rather than have two million people in Los Angeles vaporized by a backpack MIRV unit....maybe the next time!

I know I've been on a FMJ kick, but this quote is quite relevant:


Marines die. That is what you are here for. But the Corps lives forever. And that means YOU live forever.

I'm sure if you could ask any rough-neck who fought at Iwo if they didn't support the war. Even if we could ask the spirits of the fallen...if they were for the war that cost them their lives.

Do you honestly think they would be regretful? Would their families? Friends?

I don't think so.

I've said it before...war in the name of righteous anger is a tool of God. This does not mean the killing of innocents, but the righting of wrongs, and the fixing of problems.

Look at Germany. We took a genocidal militaristic nation bent on global armageddon and mass-murder, and with American military might, and then later our compassion, hard work, and money (with the Marshall Plan), we picked this evil empire up out of its own ashes, and helped Germany to become a good, prosperous, and compassionate nation once again.

THIS is the righteousness I seek in the coming actions.

No peace will come from our turning the other cheek.

[SAURRON]

Oh I wouldn't call it being a hate monger FMH. Like I said just venting. I believe you are right about most of the world though it is really nice to see.

[Lady Vader]

Thank you, FMH, for reminding us that there are those that also mourn with the US.

Out of the ashes of this tragedy the world will unite. At least, that's the way things are shaping up right now.

[SAURRON]

You betcha :)

[Sasseeri Reeouurra]

Cirrsseeto- I know it was slanted. But it was slanted from a different direction than most of the comments here were slanted. I didn't post it because I agreed with it all, I posted it because its a different point of view.

I don't believe that the USA planned attacks on innocent civillian targets.

On another note, a more personal note, my brother-in-law (not the one I live with now in OR, but the one in CA, Nate) is an inactive reserveist with the Marines. Right now he's just back from graduating from the California Highway Patrol Academy, and is pulling 12 hour shifts with no days off until sometime next week (in Santa Ana, California).

He's just spent six months away from his wife, my sister, who was pregnant, and gave birth to their daughter, Anna Marie, while he was still in the Academy. They are finally together again, but it looks like his unit (those who are still active reserves) may be called up soon. They will find out tomorrow.

When and if that happens, he is considering volunteering to go with them. It would be better to go NOW with people he's trained with for 6 years than to be called up later in a unit full of strangers.

So that is what my sister Jenny is dealing with now. They need wisdom to know whether he should go or not. Its hard, because when he came back, his daughter wouldn't even know who he was. IF he has to go. Or if he choses to go now. So, if people could please be praying about this, I'd appreciate it, and I know that they do too.

Its a hard time for us all, on so many different levels.

[Sergeant Tyle]

His family is in my prayers....that is a hard decision, I know.

[Lady DeVille]

Thank you Charley.

[Lady Vader]

He will be remembered in my prayers, LD. God will grant them the wisdom on what is to be done.