OOC - 9.050 ABY Operation Shadow Strike

[Park Kraken]

As I prepare to return to active writing and reading, I need to know what all I've missed in the months that I've been inactive Star Wars-wise. I've been inactive for at least six months, with the last threads being completed being the Imperial attack on Sullust for my Empire character, and bringing Tempest Base fully online and manufacturing a new Assault Fleet with my Alliance character.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

If you've only been gone six months, then you probably haven't missed much. :)

I don t think there have been any major developments yet in the galactic war. There is a third party enemy showing up (Vanguards threads) and the Alliance fleet is slowly realizing there may be a Sith in Fourth Fleet.

[John Glayde]

...there was an Imperial attack on Sullust?

[Karl Valten]

....and Kashyyk....and Sarapin....

[Park Kraken]

Found the thread. While I had written a conclusion for the thread, since at the time the participants had disappeared, apparently I had never posted it myself. I'll try and find the written posts and get them added right quick, but here is the link;

http://www.sw-fans.net/forum/showthread.php?t=21710&highlight=Sullust

[Colonel M. James Hunter]

Ah, I see.

Honestly, I'm a little surprised that more fuss wasn't made of this. Sullust is one of the major Rebel homeworlds, and the fleet protecting it - the Fourth Fleet - is the same one that General Dan is part of: the Dauntless has been stationed at or near Sullust for quite some time as far as I know.

Did the Empire just conquer Sullust? Have we lost most of the Fourth Fleet? Have we now lost one of the major Alliance shipyards? Should the Alliance be reeling after a devastating strike against one of it's major worlds? It feels like something that we should have been reacting to - something that potentially has some noteworthy impacts on other characters, too - but it seems to have slipped under the radar somewhat.

[Park Kraken]

It wasn't an occupation, but a hit and fade attack on the Shipyards. In a Thrawn-esque move, multipule targets near the planet were hit to draw away major elements of the Fourth before the main raid itself hit the planet. In the conclusion which is about to be posted, most of the orbital yards were destroyed, along with heavy damage inflicted upon the planetary surface. As a consolation prize, a heavily damaged Imperial Star Destroyer, a Dreadnaught, and a pair of Carrack Cruisers were left in salvagable condition as the Imperial Fleet withdrew.

[Karl Valten]

And for the rebels reading this, the idea for this was discussed and approved by Reb representatives (Resh and Rhin):

http://sw-fans.net/forum/showthread.php?t=21674

No major concerns were voided and Resh stepped up with a board-wide message. No one made a note or comment on it so both parties went ahead with it.

http://www.sw-fans.net/forum/showthread.php?p=358478#post358478

[John Glayde]

Most of the Sullustans live on the moon or underground (the planet is mostly industrial) so at least that isn't much of a problem. However, if you've destroyed the orbital shipyards and caused extensive damage to the industry on the surface of Sullust, doesn't have some pretty significant rammifications for the SoroSuub Corporation?

I see that Task Force 42 was specifically mentioned in there (Charley, Dee, and myself are all members of that Task Force, but none of us seem to remember much / anything about this)... where was this discussed?

I'm a little uncomfortable that something that you yourself describe as "the first phase of what could be the breaking of the Rebellion" and that involved a force that was "perhaps not as great as that boasted by the Endor Fleet, but perhaps more competent in destructive capability" wasn't an event that involved more people on the boards. It seems like the kind of thing that should have been a really big deal, and should have left the Rebels reeling... but that didn't happen, so clearly something has gone wrong somewhere.

Edit:

I appreciate that this has been discussed, and I'm not calling foul play or anything. But maybe this should have been discussed with a wider audience, rather than just being handled as a fleeters only deal?

This is why I'm personally not a fan of our secular little faction discussion sections: it's far too easy for things like this to not get noticed.

[Serena Laran]

I'm pretty sure not just the fleeters knew this was going on. I remember it, personally.

[John Glayde]

Perhaps it would help to think of it in real world terms: the Empire just launched a successful bombing raid against Detroit. There aren't too many civilian casualties, but they've decimated the industry in the area: in particular they've practically wiped out the Ford Motor Company... a business that not only produces cars for the US, but also for the whole world.

If that happened in the real world, it'd be a pretty major deal. People in other cities would question the ability of America's military to keep them safe. There'd be panic, and all sorts of political backlash. Financially, the American economy would have taken a major hit. It'd be like New Orleans, only instead of being an act of god, an enemy nation is responsible.

Basically, it should have been a big deal, but it wasn't made into one. And if people knew about is like you suggest, Holly, but just didn't bother to chime in or react to it... I'm not sure that's any better than people not knowing, honestly.


I think maybe we've got a bit of Pre-Reset-itis with this. We used to have a huge New Republic, and we all used to live in our little faction bubbles; but the story we're telling now is much more intimate and interwoven. I'm not sure that the Alliance is big enough to have it's major worlds hit; and if it does happen, it's going to send ripples everywhere because the Alliance is so small. And I'm not sure it's smart for us to be planning things in our private little OOC forums - there's discussion about the Dan arc happening in Avalon, and in the private Alliance forums... but shouldn't we all be discussing that in the same place, so we're all on the same place?

[Park Kraken]

Well, the pair of threads (Imperial Attack on Sullust, Rebel Alliance Counter-Attack on Fondor) was planned to conclude with Sullust heavily damaged, but with the Rebel Alliance in full control of the Fondor system, with minimal damage to their shipyards and quite a few captured ships (including another three Imperial Star Destroyers).

[Loklorien s'Ilancy]

Owing to the current size of the thread, I'm sure the folks in the Fourth Fleet (Jace, Dee, Charley, and to a certain extent myself) would be happy to jump in.

[John Glayde]

Well, the pair of threads (Imperial Attack on Sullust, Rebel Alliance Counter-Attack on Fondor) was planned to conclude with Sullust heavily damaged, but with the Rebel Alliance in full control of the Fondor system, with minimal damage to their shipyards and quite a few captured ships (including another three Imperial Star Destroyers).

It's worth bearing in mind that most of us don't look at things in terms of the algebra. Sure, the Alliance may come out with a profit in the long run: but we still suffered a pretty hefty kick in the balls. From a character perspective, that's a loss no matter how much was gained.

Given that the thread isn't finished, we probably can still turn it into something that feeds the rest of the boards. One possibility - if the Admiral commanding the Fourth Fleet (an NPC, I believe) were to be killed during the attack (or moved to Fondor), it could lead to General Dan stepping up and taking over what is left of the Fourth Fleet, which would add some extra depth to the General Dan arc.


As for Fondor, that's a whole can of worms unto itself. Fondor is a major inhabited planet, which currently has no ties with the Rebellion whatsoever. Not only will we need a fleet to liberate the system, we'll also need a fleet to hold the system and stop the Empire taking it back... and since we need to rebuild the Fourth Fleet as well, that's a lot of ships out of nowhere. It's in the Colonies too, which is a lot closer to the Core than any of our other Alliance holdings. That's probably going to make it even more of a target.

And then, what about the population of Fondor? We've just conquered a planet that didn't necessarily want to be "liberated". Are we going to have to occupy it to stop an uprising? Are they going to retaliate against us? Or are they going to welcome us with open arms... are we going to end up with Fondor needing a representative on the Alliance Advisory Council?

It's not like Pre-Reset: every new planet for the Rebel Alliance is a big deal... but it's also a big drain on their already stretched resources.

[Tear]

Fondor! Burninating Imperials! Fondooooor. For what it's worth. (http://www.sw-fans.net/forum/showpost.php?p=323734&postcount=7) But I haven't had the time to pursue anything in a bit so... make of that what you will.

[Reshmar]

Rhinn was going to write this but he went inactive so then I stepped in and wrote a post which never got a reply post.

I was not aware there was to only be one more post.

I did Know that it was a losing battle but we were to get Fondor in the aftermath. A KDY yard in trade for a Surosuub yard is a good trade. At least tactically.

This was discussed for a few weeks and I think I even made a post asking anyone if they had any interest in the battle. But now that it has com to light I feel we can work in anything that any one wanted to do. it is still early in the battle. Yes we lose but we can all look good losing.

After all this and the attack to come on Courageous will set up a mass 3rd fleet assault on Bilbringi.

[Park Kraken]

Well, as it turns out, only about half of the thread conclusion had been written, the other half never got out of my head it seems, or somehow got accidentally deleted on mah laptop. I'll draw a map so everyone knows where everything is.

Fondor could still be raided, with their orbital shipyards either destroyed, or (preferrably) captured and towed back to Sullust to replace the orbital facilities located there. That would slash the number of troops needed by a substantial sum, and the number of ships needed for an actual planetary assault.

As far as manufacturing goes, Sullust made take time to rebuild and recover, but Mustafar within the Tempest Project is still expanding its own manufacturing capability, with factories producing thousands of droids to build more factories and expand resource collection and processing, etc. Personnel shortages to keep up with the droids pace may require Sullustrian survivors out of work an opportunity to transfer to a similar world enviorement to work there.

There are plenty of thread ideas out there in the fallout phase from the battle(s).

[Reshmar]

Park, DO you have any objections to sliding this up in the timeline closer to the current timeline. This would help with any Conflicts other threads may have with Sorosuub being decimated?

[Captain Untouchable]

Park - would you be okay with bringing this battle forward in the timeline so it's happening "now", and then carrying on with it as if it's a current event? (Edit: what Reshmar said!)

If this battle takes place shortly (a month?) before the Jedi find out about General Dan, it could make for a juicier story: as one of the senior survivors of the attack, General Dan will be in a much more powerful position (and will thus be a more dangerous enemy for the Jedi).

That would also give us the opportunity to have the Alliance react to the attack properly. And it'll help keep the Alliance reeling, because we've just suffered a devastating loss on top of everything else that is currently going on.

Might even be a good jumping off point for any Alliance overtures towards the Cizerack, and could feed into the Salem / Onderon / Hapes stuff - maybe Salem chose this "moment of weakness" to put his plans into motion?

[Taataani Meorrrei]

I'm liking the timing of this. Keep talking amongst yourselves, but this would dovetail nicely I think

[Park Kraken]

I have no objections to moving this thread forward. Did you boys want to jump in before or after I respond to Reshmar? Either way, I'll be drawing up a map tonight of the battle.

[Captain Untouchable]

If you post up a response to Reshmar, I think Dee and I will definately be jumping in... I'll grab Charley later on and see if he'll be involved as well.

[Park Kraken]

A post should be up by Thursday, along with the map.

[Park Kraken]

Post is up, and map has been created;

[Captain Untouchable]

Is there a key to explain what all the circles and symbols mean?

Edit:

As I understand it, the "1" represents the group from Task Force 42 mentioned in Reshmar's post. That will be General Dan (Charley), Captain Terius (me), and Captain Grov (Dee).

"2" represents the forces of the NPC that Reshmar has been writing as in said post.

"3" represents an entirely separate force of NPCs.

That being the case, it's worth bearing in mind that the battle group at #1 will also have a Mon Calamari cruiser. It's also got a Munificent and a Vicstar-1, so it might not be quite so quickly demolished. ;)

[Park Kraken]

No, the picture represents what is happening at the end of my last post. #1/2/3 represents the three seperate groups of Alliance vessels under Reshmar's command arriving back from their deployment to the three planets under decoy attack. The other elements of Task Force 42 haven't arrived yet.

I didn't have access to Reshmar's post when drawing this map, so went with labelling only one of these as his, since our original plans had other people commanding the other two response groups before they went inactive.

EDIT: Oh and as for symbols, the double crossed lines are shipyards, the single crossed lines are/were the Golan Battlestations, and the triangle symbols are Star Destroyers. Green X's mean something's been destroyed/crippled.

[Captain Untouchable]

In that case...

- What is the composition of the three groups that Reshmar is controlling?

- What forces remained at Sullust during the feints? This should include any planetary fighter forces currently present... there should be some sort of Sullustan air force, not to mention the fact that Sullust is also Starfighter Corps HQ.

- What casualties did the Imperial forces suffer during the feints?

This information is essential to allow Charley, Dee, and myself to work out what TF42 will be doing when it gets there.

[Reshmar]

Ok Let me see if I can help out.

OOC thread (http://www.sw-fans.net/forum/showthread.php?t=21674&highlight=gallant)

Attack Announcement (http://www.sw-fans.net/forum/showthread.php?p=358478#post358478)

4th fleet
402nd Defense Group
Sullust

Force 1 at the top of the map is Captain Nubba's Group lead by the Dreadnaught Cruiser Gallant The Nebulon B Firgate Torrent and 2 Dp20 Gunships (names in ooc link)

Force 2 on the right side of the map is General Rub Dabba and the Main Defense force lead by the Cal Cruiser Tiderunner with the Munificent Star Frigate Fortella and 3 gunships

Force 3 at the bottom of the map is Captain Tetania's group lead by the Nebulon Frigate Yammari with 4 gunships

The 4th fleet people will be taking this over. All I ask is that the Fortella survive. I am using it in something coming up.

This are 3 other battlegroups in bound.

One is commanded By Captain Rhinn Ikthoos.

Requiem Task Group

Modified Recusant Light Destroyer -- Starfire (FLAG)
Liberator-class Cruiser -- Paladin
Quasar Fire-class Bulk Cruiser -- Ghleshelm
Interceptor IV Frigate -- Vigilante
Interceptor IV Frigate -- Jackal
DP20 Corellian Gunship -- Krayt
DP20 Corellian Gunship -- Rancor
Modified Bulk Cruiser -- Harbinger
Modified Bulk Cruiser -- Liberty's Volley
Modified Bulk Cruiser -- Supernova
Fighters:
4 x X-Wing Squadrons -- Katana, Scimitar, Drake, Victor
4 x Y-Wing Squadrons -- Claymore, Saber, Hellcat, Anvil
4 x A-Wing Squadron -- Rapier, Screamers, Panthers, Sarlaac
2 x B-Wing Squadron -- Broadsword, Templar
3 x Headhunter Squadrons -- Phantom, Spectre, Ghost
Captured Ships:
3 x Action VI Transports Bantha, Thranta, Gundark
8 x TIE Fighters Mynock 1 - 8

Use it or not... dosn't matter.
I would say If you do don't kill off Rhinn or his ship lol. He may come back someday who knows.

The combined strength of the defense fleet and the 3 inbound battle groups was supposed to be enough to make the imps bug out.

[Meiers Brecklin]

Yes yes, Starfighter Corps. We will most certainly be throwing our dogs into the fight, so let us know when we are needed.

[General Dan]

Ok I think we're looking good in terms of figuring out the battlespace. Should be ready to begin counteroffensives today.

[Captain Untouchable]

If I remember correctly, Reshmar is NPCing the 424s (Requiem), and the rest of us are jumping in shortly after that?

[Cirrsseeto Quez]

Reshmar's got his defense forces in place, plus NPCing 424, and then we follow suit, yeah. Brecklin will also be involved surface-side, not sure when and how though.

[Reshmar]

I am working on the defense fleets reaction post now. I think It then another post by Kraken then a second post by the defense fleet and the 424th jumping in would be good.

I dont want to do it all in one post. I would like at least 2 posts.

So I guess if Kraken can knock another post out after mine then I will line up everything for the rest of the 42nd to jump in.

Sound OK?

[General Dan]

sounds good, as long as we can get it going this weekend. I prefer to write this while drinking :)

[Reshmar]

Posted.

Your up Kraken.

[Park Kraken]

Okay, I'll be working on my response tonight. BTW, at some point late in the thread, I should be jumping in with my Alliance character and her contribution to the party, that would be used to spearhead the counter-raid on Fondor afterwards (if we're still doing that, as a raid rather then an occupation).

[Nychus Antirr]

Fondor is not a viable option, as it's apparently not controlled by the Empire.

Is the counter-raid just a "you hurt us, we hurt you" situation against an Imperial target of opportunity (ie. can we just switch to another target), or was there a more significant reason?

[Park Kraken]

Counter Raid, mostly. I've seen where someone mentioned Duros, that would make a good alternative, IMO.

Okay, my next post is up.

[Reshmar]

The liberation of Duro would be a good choice. It would be difficult but freeing the duros population would give the alliance a lot of experienced naval recruits. And the planet itself is one big refrigerator. So the food would help feed the military and worlds under the alliance flag. We get hungry out in space.

SO I have posted. everything for the 42nd is set up. I think if you wanted, this would be a good time to bring in your group Admiral Kraken sir. Oh boy this will be fun.

[Park Kraken]

I'll wait until the others post, then I'll post again as my Impy before I bring in my Alliance character, it'll make a little more sense that way (in my head). :)

[Captain Untouchable]

I have an occasional (laptop -> cell phone) internet connection, so I'll be available to post with TF42 if someone gives me a nudge.

[Anne Phoenix]

Okay, I'm posting the composition for Task Force Tempest so it'll be handy when I jump in with my Alliance character.



Task Force Tempest

Vindertan class Dreadnought Vindertan
Vindertan class Dreadnought Derfflinger
Vindertan class Dreadnought Leviathan

MC40a Light Cruiser Liberty's Fire (Fleet Flagship)
*X-wing Squadron HighDivers

Loronar Strike Cruiser Tyrant's Bane
*A-wing Squadron Quickdevils
Loronar Strike Cruiser Providence
*A-wing Squadron MoonFlashers
Loronar Strike Cruiser Endurance
*A-wing Squadron SpeedTraps
Loronar Strike Cruiser Constellation
*A-wing Squadron FastBlasters

Nebulon-B2 Frigate Mon Mothma
*X-wing Squadron LowRiders
Nebulon-B2 Frigate Admiral Ackbar
*X-wing Squadron CrissCrossers
Nebulon-B2 Frigate Luke Skywalker
*Y-wing Squadron Sky Weavers

CR90a Corvette Witch
CR90a Corvette Warlock

DP20 Gunship Bravado
DP20 Gunship Glory
DP20 Gunship Courage
DP20 Gunship Hardy

[Captain Untouchable]

Huh. That's quite a sizeable force for a Fleet Captain. All of the other fleeters at that level of seniority are commanding Battle Groups within a task force.

What fleet is Task Force Tempest part of?

[Park Kraken]

Brevet rank of Rear-Admiral, pending confirmation of Alliance H.C.. T.F. Tempest is just a temporary designation for a scratch force, but I believe I fall under jurisdiction of whatever our training and acquisition fleet is, the 7th?

[General Dan]

Nevermind I think I figured this out. The skirmish line and interdiction group are the massed concentration of Imperial pickets and support vessels.

In which case, what formation is Task Force Hunter assembled into? Chevron still?

[Captain Untouchable]

I don't think we ever gave that an official designation. That probably falls under Ordnance and Supply though, since they deal with shipyards and acquisitions - that'd make Tukphen (me) the Admiral you report to.

We only have five fleets... but since we use 40, 41, 42 etc as the numbers for Task Forces in fleets, I guess we might want to reserve 6X and 7X for use by Support Services (transports, freighters, etc) and OaS if they need it? Technically the Wheel is "Bothan Sector Group 75" at this point... That's presumably either a) an old Bothan military designation, b) administratively part of Task Force 57 (ie. Battle Group 575) or c) another name for Task Force 75 in OaS.

Alternatively, Mustafar probably falls under the Fourth Fleet's protection responsibilities. Task Force 43 would probably be the defense force there (TF40 = Sullust, TF41 = Sluis Van, TF42 = commerce raiding), so Tempest could hypothetically be TF43 or TF44 as an alternative.

[General Dan]

Babby's first fleeting post (http://www.sw-fans.net/forum/showthread.php?t=21710)

[Captain Untouchable]

Can I call dibs on the next post? I have something in mind that pretty much follows straight on from Charley's post, and should give you a little more than our sudden arrival to react to. :)

Re: Tempest - just had a long chat with Reshmar. We reckon a 43 or 44 designation would make the most sense at this point. We're planning for the "Sixth Fleet" do be largely support and non-combat; as a combat unit, Tempest would fall under the local Fleet, which is the 4th. Mustafar would definately have a Task Force there to defend it: maybe that's Tempest, or maybe there's a separate unit to protect the planet, up to you. :)

Command of the Fourth Fleet is currently NPC'd, but I believe the plan is for General Dan to take over in the aftermath of Sullust, with another character eventually replacing him at the end of the "Dan = Sith" arc.

[Park Kraken]

Sure, post away. =D

[Soto Terius]

Posted. Not quite as long or detailed a post as I would have liked; just wanted to make sure that at least part of the plan was in action ready for an Imperial response.

Just to clarify - it's our understanding that only the Star Destroyers from TF Hunter are out there: everything else has been moved into your skirmish line. Is that correct?

[Dou'lesa Grov]

Ok! Next post is mine - I will be there as soon as I make sense of my notes. *nods*

[Cirrsseeto Quez]

I'll follow you, then :)

[Meiers Brecklin]

You wouldn't mind if I snuck in a post between yourself and Dee, would you?

[Sanis Prent]

Go right ahead

[Meiers Brecklin]

Posted. It's a terrible cop-out intro post, but it works. Threw in a Marianas Turkey Shoot reference for kicks ;)

[Reshmar]

Just for reference purposes in the future. Sullust is set 8.070 ABY

[Karl Valten]

Wow, you guys sure got a party going there. Well done!

Need an Aurora for planetary assault?


































Kidding, kidding, there's more than enough traffic. I just figured I'd give Resh a heart attack.

[Reshmar]

I know better than go toe to toe with one right off the bat. Ill send in something to clean out the torp bay then pounce on it

[Karl Valten]

Sending in the pawns to soak up the bullets? How unlike you, sir.

[Reshmar]

Ol Resh is getting cautious in his twilight years

[Anne Phoenix]

So is there anyone else left posting for the Alliance, or is it my turn?

[Sanis Prent]

Lemme get a Cirr and a Dan post in, then I think that settles the balance

[Cirrsseeto Quez]

Ok that should sort things out now :)

[Park Kraken]

Okay then, this should be a rough representation of what TF Hunter is now facing;

1xMC80 Star Cruiser
1xVictory Star Destroyer
1xMunificent Star Frigate
1xAssault Frigate
2xDreadnoughts
2xLiberator Cruisers
1xVindicator Heavy Cruiser
1xMC30 Light Cruiser
1xArquitens Light Cruiser
3xNebulon-B Escort Frigates
1xAssassin Corvette
3xMarauder Corvettes
4xCR90 Corvettes
2xDP20 Gunships
35xSquadrons of Star Fighters

It appears Hunter might be slightly outgunned. :lol

I'll be posting next, but my Alliance character will follow with an immediate post, and I'll go ahead and throw up an updated "Sensors Map" so hopefully no one will get confused along the way.

[Sanis Prent]

I figured she was outgunned, but I never realized how badly until you summed it up in one list. It's like we're landing a prizefighter haymaker on a baby, damn.

[Anne Phoenix]

Went ahead and updated the Wiki to add Task Force Tempest and other odds and bits;

http://www.sw-fans.net/wiki/index.php?title=Task_Force_Tempest#Task_Force_Temp est

[Park Kraken]

Posts are coming. The Imperial response is finished and ready, but I'm waiting until I finish my Alliance post afterwards to get them up.

[Park Kraken]

Okie Dokies. Other Alliance peeps are now up! Not sure a particular posting order is needed.

[Reshmar]

I will post later today.

[Cirrsseeto Quez]

A minor quibble - Right to Rule is not being proton bombed. If she's taking any fire, it's aft-quadrant at-will turbolaser bombardment, but the vast majority of the firepower is on Indomitable and Merciless, the latter of which was the target of the bombing run.

[Park Kraken]

Confusion can run rampart when it seems like you're being attacked from all sides. :lol

[Reshmar]

Ok so Requiem Battle Group came out of hyperspace on the left and is moving into assist the Dauntless cruiser and attack the skirmish line. If I understand it right.... The mass of the Star Destroyer formation is coming right at me?

[Park Kraken]

Correct, with the three Bulk Freighters having already been destroyed from massed turbolaser fire.

[Reshmar]

Ok NOW I have a grasp on things I will post tomorrow morning.

[Reshmar]

Posted

So who's up next?

[Cirrsseeto Quez]

I'm up. Will get a post in tonight

[Cirrsseeto Quez]

Jace & Dee you're up, respectively

[Tukphen]

I'll see if I can write something via my cell, but I can't promise it'll be long or pretty.

(insert penis joke)

[Park Kraken]

:whip What's our status with this thread? Don't want the finishing touches to be forgotten in the wake of planning for Duro/Corellia/Atravis threads.

[Loklorien s'Ilancy]

Jace is hopefully able to get his internet today, and if so he is next up. If not, then Dee and I will post.

[Meiers Brecklin]

Jace said he'd pass, so Dee and I are up next I believe. I will post something up hopefully in a little bit. If not, then I will tomorrow morning.

[Park Kraken]

So I'm just waiting on a final post from Dee then? I already have the final post more or less written, just need to make a few adjustments, plus edit to accomodate whatever Dee does.

[Cirrsseeto Quez]

Dee, then me, yeah

[Reshmar]

I would like to get a post in with Rhinns group before we put a bow on this.

[Reshmar]

OK so I would like to get a post in tomorrow with the defense group and rhinns group before the imps jump out.

[Park Kraken]

Everything is still proceeding according to my design. Very few modifications needed for the final post so far. Ironically a lot of what's going on right now will be very telling for what happens in the next fleeting thread (Duro).

[Reshmar]

Ok I got my last post in. Have fun

[Park Kraken]

Okay, final post has been made, topic tags changed on both this thread and the RP, with this thread name changed as appropriate in case anyone needs to search for this thread in the future. 'Bout time too, as there are already aftermath threads going on, lol.

[Cirrsseeto Quez]

A 15 degree re-orient isn't enough explanation to rationalize that second destroyer escaping, when those skirmishers still have better maneuverability and orders to crowd the enemy's forward vector. They'd easily adjust to counter that, which is the point.

[Park Kraken]

Okay, went back and perused through the thread from the point of TF42 entering the system and picked up on a few points that I'd previously missed. Take another Gander and see if the Goose is more to your liking.

It makes little difference to me if Indomitable or even Right to Rule survives, as both ships are planned to be captured by the Alliance while undergoing repair at Duro, lol. I'd just like to stick to pre-agreed losses for the thread, although I know not that many people were around for that discussion.

[Moff Joran Greth]

Indeed.. but when we discussed losses we did not have the 42nd coming in too. Losing the ships at sullust makes sense, They took a beating and the 42 desurves a bit of a payday for it. But so does capturing them at Duro. Thing is you went to Eraidu. Im assuming The Imp III's needed a better Drydock cause they got the bejevis whipped out of them. Either way The Imp III's have seen their last days with the Empire.

[Cirrsseeto Quez]

Repositioning Right to Rule in a way that her guns can be brought to bear against the flanking skirmishers would require a 180 degree traverse, which is something that would take a whole lot of time to do in a star destroyer. Further, you're gunning down two (fresh) frigates in one post with your guns split up between them? That's highly unlikely. If R2R was in position to bring her guns to bear like that at the outset, I'd probably understand it since the skirmishers have their defenses buffed towards the destroyers they're engaging, but at this point, R2R is in partly the same tactical disadvantage that the other ships are in, which is to say she's got guns at her back. The one thing R2R can do, of course, is maneuver in the open, but like I said, that's arduous, and at best you can get a partial shoot on one flank if you're committing to a turn.

I'm trying to be pretty fair here, but also pretty realistic. Hunter doesn't have a screen to prevent what's happening to her, and the Alliance ships had the intel to call their own local slice of the battlespace in a way that made it as advantageous as possible to not only attack, but also make it inconvenient to be attacked.

[Park Kraken]

R2R wouldn't need to turn at all. The Frigates she's targeting are the ones out ahead of Indomitable and Merciless, blocking the latter two's escape. Even though they are fresh Nebulon-B's are still fairly weak against ISD's, even ones reduced in offensive firepower.

Personally I thought that launching a precise hyperspace attack that destroyers one ISD III and heavily damages another, while wiping out about 26 Squadrons worth of TIE series Starfighters, in return for minimal losses, in the span of five minutes or less to be a very excellent victory on the part of TF42. Do recall that the ISD III type sacrafices energy weapons for stronger shields again then what the ISD II had over the ISD I.

But if you want I can edit appropriatly. In the situation she's in Indomitable would probably surrender, while R2R escapes, meaning the Alliance gets it's hands on one of the two ISD III's sooner rather then later.

[Cirrsseeto Quez]

That's amenable. I'm cool with it going down like that