Black Nebula and Black Sun report please?

[O.W. Outcast]

Black Nebula and Black sun members please report by stating your characters name and which group he is a member of. I'm trying to find out who the active players are for each group so I can get you involved some way in the final days of Black Nebula concept/ideas. Mind you right at this moment there is no set story in place but using allot of what was suggested here (http://sw-fans.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20517) and hopefully adding a new twist if my co-captain agrees we should produce a more full model of how this could go down.

I will present more of the Idea when well I have more. lol all I need to know right now is who is still members of the groups so I can try and fit everyone into the down fall of Black Nebula. Also if you have any ideas for a thread series name for this please share because I am at a loss and just calling it Black Nebula Falls pt 1 ect...

Oh yes and I will present the idea to LD get her okay after I find out if my co-captain likes or not and weather she has her own additions or corrections. Then I will post to the masses so it still maybe awhile yet.

O.W. Outcast - Black Nebula

(posting this here because it is more likely everyone will see it.)

[Chir'daki]

Depending on how things turn out with the KA, Chir'daki's involvement with Black Sun is a little bit suspect up in the air.

However, since the character is established as having done similar things in the past in some threads, would it be cool if we swapped in Atton Kira in his place, as the Black Sun / Bounty Hunter interaction guy? (That cool with you, Holly?)

[Irridia Solensis]

Black Nebula.

Or, more accurately, wherever Kalail is. *nod*

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Sasseeri is still around, sort of, and Kal Olorin as well. Black Sun, obviously. >_<

I don't like being in charge of Black Sun, really, though. I may take Sasseeri away and let the people who want to run the criminal empire. It just occurred to me that I could do that, so I'll need to think about it.

[Captain Untouchable]

Have you considered that, since Sass is effectively in Tear's pocket, he might be a good call to try and take over? Given his already unorthadox means and methods, I wouldn't put it past him. He'd be able to use the spice trade and all the other illegal bits and pieces to fund his armies and projects, by taking money out of the pockets of the Imperial citizenry; and there are enough thugs and petty criminals to begin actively undermining the Empire as well.

Might be fun for the thieves, thugs, and pyromaniacs to be tasked with trying to destabilize the Empire: similar to what the Rebel Alliance did when they were preparing for the liberation of Coruscant.

Besides, we all want to stick it to the man. This would make it a bit more official. :mischief

[Bette Davis]

Well we could just make it an NPC. I just meant that I don't care for 'being responsible' for trying to get people to RP in Black Sun. Its ridiculous (in my eyes) for me to own the whole Black Sun empire when I don't have the time to devote to drumming up support for it with others.

I can take Sasseeri, run her casinos and illegal activities, without it needing to be Black Sun. So, do what I'm doing without people wondering why I'm letting Black Sun languish, or something.

[Malick Raine]

(O.W)

Well let me run my current Idea by co-captain before any descion on this made. Because my running Idea wouldn't actually erase the Black Nebula it would still exist but have infiltrated the Black Sun while keeping it's self hidden. There is more to then that once I run it by co and see what she thinks I will run it by you LD and see what you think.

[Sasseeri Reeouurra]

jIf we decjide to merrrge the two bujisnesses, can't we just fjigurrre out how jit would be done OOC, and then use that IC as backstory and just RP them as one agajin?

jI got overrr LD's momentarrry lapse jin ambjitjion, and am myself agajin. Vjigo and not leavjing. :cat

[Malick Raine]

Well since I'm a co head I can't say yay or nah with out my counter parts vote.

How ever we could work it OOC no problem if my co will agree to it that is.

I kind of want to keep O.W. involved some how maybe as a behind the scenes guy trying to some how wiggle his way to the top.

[Captain Untouchable]

Like Holly suggests... working out the OOC first, and then worrying about the IC later, makes sense. Maybe it's worth working out how we want to end up, and then seeing how everyone will fit into that?

If I remember rightly, Kal is sort of the Vigo looking after the Casino business empire, while Grim was looking after smuggling. Why not make OW the Vigo looking after the legitimate businesses that Black Nebula handles?

Are there any other big crimes we want to get involved in? In the games (and pre-Reset, if memory serves) there was a fleet / military type aspect to Black Sun. Do we want to perhaps branch out and have a Vigo in charge of that - a force of Enforcers, who get mixed up as mercenaries, pirates, etc? We might be able to engage the interest of other characters and players on the boards with that too.

Are there any more big crimes that we might want to get involved with? Do we want to look into having an active presence on Cloud City, if the Empire is moving there?

As Holly suggests though... if we work it out OOC, we can worry (or not) about how we got there at some point later on. Best to just dive in and get on with it, right?

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Black Sun already is active on Cloud City. Its basically Kal's second home and we have a nice sparkly casino there, Cumulus (I think BN has one too, lol).

I think the way we segregated it before was that BN deals in weapons and stuff, while BS was more illicit drugs.

[Malick Raine]

Yes we have a Casino on Bespin and what ever else Arriana Rezner has got us into doing there.

BN runs allot of legit business and illegal gun trade as LD pointed out. We purposely avoided drug trade because Sorsha was strongly against it.

As for are a legit business.

Droid Factor's on Genosis

Banking on (I can't remember thank sorsha for never giving me the list so I have to this all from memory)

Legit gun trade on Rodia (we also run are illegal gun sales through there.)

Casino's both on bespin and Tatooine.

(A few others (but I have no list for) we where going to expand into legit ship building through Duros.)

(BN also has strong tie ins to the imperials threw Miranda but not even O.W. knows who there contact is only sorsha did.)

BN's strong hold is pretty much based out of Tatooine (jabba's palace and a sky hook we had rebuilt).

we also have a business office on curoscant mostly used as are corperation front for legit business.

We do smuggling and arms deals mostly but we had a few mercs/bounty hunters on the payroll as well at one point.

[Tear]

Not to speak for Miranda but I've discussed this with her over PM's already. So the merge should be considered as going through at this point.

I guess it's time to discuss the how and why, in OOC and then, like was mentioned, move forward IC as it's already happened.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Yeah it was already voted on in the BN/BS forums a month or so ago.

And I think we may want to consider getting rid of the forums. We don't really need them, and if Cloud City is moving to the Imp forums... The Bounty Hunters don't really need their own place either, to be honest.

There's nothing in there we can't do in the RPing forum or the RPing discussion forum. If we really want a private forum for stuff, then maybe we can hide it somewhere else?

[Malick Raine]

I would say we need at least an OOC or hidden forum somewhere at least so we can discuss what is or isn't going on in are little world.

With out cluttering up this forum and it will also serve as a place where new people who want to join can ask or realize there is a group dedicated to the crime side.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Well maybe we can stick a hidden BS forum in here, and a hidden Bounty Hunter forum as well. Or in the Dark Mosaic group?

[Malick Raine]

That could work. I would suggest Dark Mosaic just because it sounds shadier (channeled OW for that one).

Odd question but has anyone thought of putting the rebs group with the Jedi group since they are allies and all?

[Dasquian Belargic]

I don't see the need for a private forum personally, not if it's going to be th only forum you have - especially since then you will be footage at least half of the bill for annual hosting for the chance to talk in private with a couple of people that you could just as easily talk over PMs AIM or in this very forum with.

[Captain Untouchable]

Re: the forums thing... isn't it worth having a big ol' separate thread to talk about that? We've got a bunch of forums that can probably be kulled at this point, merged into others, or otherwise restructured... might be worth having a rethink about how the whole shindig is configured? :huh



Black Sun already is active on Cloud City. Its basically Kal's second home and we have a nice sparkly casino there, Cumulus (I think BN has one too, lol)

I meant "active" in terms of actually having players there doing stuff. From that perspective, we're relatively inactive. :mneh

To expand slightly, I'm wondering if there might be an opportunity to mimick the hub idea that the other factions have, or try to leech off the hubs that are being set up. Having offices and casinos all over the galaxy is all well and good, but we've not had very much success lately in trying to stir up interaction and activity between us.

Just using the Cloud City example: what if we tried to turn the casino we have there into the "Quarks" if the Deep Space Nine analogy? Not only would that give the manager and the staff the opportunity to interact with Imperial characters, but we can also use it as a front for other things. We've no doubt got smugglers running through the area, causing problems with the Imperial patrols. Are we funding (or directly operating) any of the pirate groups in the sector?

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Cumulus is a high class casino catering to high rollers, officers, and people who want to spend a lot of money. It is not Quarks. :colbert

I'm not getting rid of Sassy's casinos or other assets, if that's what you're asking. Her main HQ is on Coruscant by her main casino, The Nabooian Queen. We don't RP at all her casinos, they just exist. Don't get all crazy with this 'hub' thing - the nature of her business is that its all over. I have excuses to RP her just about wherever I want, and that goes for all Black Sun members. Our business is vast, so we can be anywhere we like, just about.

edit: of course everyone is welcome to RP at Cumulus. Its just a little higher class than your example. ;)

[Kalail Rotas]

Black Nebula.

Or, more accurately, wherever Kalail is. *nod*

<3 I already got her hooked

Ahem

Yes we do need to talk about stuff Mac, but I believe that with the lack of activity of the forums of the various factions there, a merger makes the most sense strictly OOC.

IC it also makes for a good story and since we are consolidating and relocating, so to speak to Cloud City, it would serve a good vessel ( XD ) for plots.

As for holdings, I do want to add that BN also has the Kasajian Exchange - a chain of bank/holding companies for whatever is needed (Think shadow Depository from Farscape) that Kalail now owns and runs I suppose since Kal is Sorsha's cousin ( and I was told by Kitty I could do whatever I wanted). Kalail is a nut case but to the general public at large she is a well mannered accountant and brilliant. I am sure we could figure something out leaderly wise for what is needed between the three/two of us depending on who wants it.

[Malick Raine]

As for holdings, I do want to add that BN also has the Kasajian Exchange

I knew there where a system of banks. :) *shakes fist* I wish I had the dam list. lol

[Captain Untouchable]

I'm not getting rid of Sassy's casinos or other assets, if that's what you're asking.

That's not even remotely what I'm suggesting. I just think it might be constructive to actually try to keep Black Sun characters in the same place for a change, rather than scattering us all to the far flung corners of the galaxy. Y'know... so we can actually do some RPing, rather than just endlessly discussing stuff. :mneh

Plus, is that it might be fun to get up to some illegalities on Cloud City, given that the Imperials might actually be bothered enough to do something about it. Interaction between criminals and law enforcement! *gasp*


Cumulus is a high class casino catering to high rollers, officers, and people who want to spend a lot of money. It is not Quarks. :colbert

edit: of course everyone is welcome to RP at Cumulus. Its just a little higher class than your example. ;)

Did someone say there was a Black Nebula one as well? Maybe the BN one is Quarks, and yours is the "Officers' Lounge". ;)


As for holdings, I do want to add that BN also has the Kasajian Exchange - a chain of bank/holding companies for whatever is needed (Think shadow Depository from Farscape) that Kalail now owns and runs I suppose

I watched this episode the other day. Awesomeness! :lol

You say a chain... is there a specific list of planets where they are located? I have a Rebel SpecForce team that I now want to attempt to steal something from one of your depos at some point. :mischief

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I just don't think its necessary to say "the Criminals have a hub". Criminals go where they want, like smugglers.

I'm not saying we're not going to RP on Cloud City, I think we will. I just don't think we have to get all crazy with infrastructure for the 'fringe' elements. We just fill in the gaps.

Right now we have just enough active members to fill a tiny crack somewhere, so its not like we need to corral in a bunch of widespread activity. Right?

[Captain Untouchable]

You misunderstand what I mean by "hub".

I'm not suggesting we need to focus ourselves on a headquarters. I'm not talking about "crazy infrastructure" for the fringe elements. Like you say, we have just enough active members to fill a tiny crack somewhere.

You say "tiny crack". I say "hub". Same thing. :)

I'm just talking about a plot / location / whatever that we can all realistically be, to interact and what-not. A hub for the roleplayers, not for the whole dang organisation. A common cause. Whatever. You're saying the exact same thing. :mneh

[Malick Raine]

Yes we do need to talk about stuff Mac, but I believe that with the lack of activity of the forums of the various factions there, a merger makes the most sense strictly OOC.


When ever you are ready kid you know my handle.

[Captain Untouchable]

Jumping back to the Cloud City question:

I want to get Atton Kira back into the information broker trade that he was involved in before Endor: make him the sort of person that, if people have questions or have problems, they can go to Kira and he'll either find the answer, or point them in the direction of someone that can help.

A good cover for that sort of thing would seem to be a barman; and Cloud City seems as good a place for him to be based as any. Rather than try to set up a bar all of his own, fitting inside the existing Black Sun / Nebula structure seems to make a lot of sense.

Obviously, Cumulus is too high-brow and Monte Carlo to be suitable for the kinds of clients he'd be catering for; but what is the other Cloud City casino like? Is there scope for it to be the "Quarks" of Cloud City, where the pilots and army types can come in, get drunk, and gamble away their earnings?

Is anyone established as running it / overseeing Black Sun stuff on Cloud City / etc, or are things quiet there on the PC front?

[Serena Laran]

There is a seedy type bar and grill established already - Cloud 9. It does not belong to Black Sun, but it is on Cloud City. Mu Satach was the proprietor, but she is MIA.

[Captain Untouchable]

There is a seedy type bar and grill established already - Cloud 9. It does not belong to Black Sun, but it is on Cloud City. Mu Satach was the proprietor, but she is MIA.

I'm aware of that - it's the absense of Mu, and the lack of Black Sun connection that makes me wonder if there are alternative options. :)

Since it's such an iconic part of Fans et al, I wouldn't feel right screwing around with it / changing things / etc. :uhoh

[Travis North]

MIA along with Bruce Campbell. :( Who was fixing a character of mine's ship.
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[Dasquian Belargic]

There is another casino which Sorsha Kasajian gave Arriana Rezner control of. I can't recall the name right now but Arri is a smuggler by trade so I don't imagine that casino is as highbrow. Plus, having the Imps play dirty there would give me something for Arri to do :D

[Arriana Rezner]

Holiday Towers, in Port Town.

All pilots, and their credits, are velcome :D

[Atton Kira]

No one warned me m' new boss was gonna be such an exotic wee beauty.

Why hello there, Miss Rezner. :smokin

[Arriana Rezner]

Vell hello yourrrzelf, Mr. Kira :cat

[O.W. Outcast]

As long as it still brings in the green, no not me, it will remain under ther proctetion of um I guess it's Black sun now.

As for my part I would gladly handle the legit business side of things. I love social parties it's one of the fringe benifits of being legit. Not to mention on the legit side you don't have deal with hutts for the most part or people trying to kill you.

[Atton Kira]

Vell hello yourrrzelf, Mr. Kira :cat

Please, call me Atton.

*peels off his sunglasses, and offers a playful twitch of his eyebrows*

How you doin'? ;)

[O.W. Outcast]

I will gladdly take out this trash for you Miss Rezner?

[Arriana Rezner]

As long as it still brings in the green, no not me, it will remain under ther proctetion of um I guess it's Black sun now.

As for my part I would gladly handle the legit business side of things. I love social parties it's one of the fringe benifits of being legit. Not to mention on the legit side you don't have deal with hutts for the most part or people trying to kill you.

You'd like to have a little green hand in the Holiday Towers? You can be the maître d’ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%C3%AEtre_d%27), keeping our customers happy, if you like ;)

[O.W. Outcast]

*Glares at Arriana with small child like grin on his face*

That's a good one. I would so out maitre d any other that got in my way. Shoot them down with my trust old hold out I would.

*Pats his hip where the blaster should be but it's missing. Looks down with a confused look.*

Crap where did that dam thing run off too?

*shakes and get's back to the right train of thought.*

I was Talking the Legit side of Black Sun not the Casino. You know the guy that pays guys to cook the books. The guy that looks over everything Legit like your Casino get's you the right protection you need when you need it. The guy who pays the guy to pay off the imps so they don't ask questions.

Example you would be the boss I'm the guy you or anyone else who runs a legit business under the protection of Black Sun would call if you need certain help. ;) what ever that may be.

[Dai]

Dai is not a member, but a problem. In his past he's moved amid through the lower ranks of both organization, only to come out taking drugs, and turn into a bounty.

[Atton Kira]

Forgive me for my ease of confusion, but it helps me to wrap my head around things if I 'talk' them out. :)

Here's things "as I understand it", based on FAQs, comments in the above threads, etc:


The head honcho is Sasseeri Reeouurrra. Beneath her (sometimes literally :mischief) are a number of Black Sun Vigos, who look after the various aspects of Black Sun. For lack of a better comparison, they are the "Board of Directors", and Sassy is the "CEO".

Currently, there are a number of Vigos:
Kal Olorin looks after the various Casinos owned by Black Sun, which I believe are on Coruscant (Nabooian Queen), Tatooine (Dragon's Pearl), Kuat (Ringling), Carshoulis Prime (Twilight's Delight), Nar Shadaa (Glorious Feline), Chandrila (Morning Star), Thyferra (Peasure Center), and two on Cloud City (Cumulus, Holiday Tower).
Grym Kandle (who isn't around right now) looks after the illegal spice trade, liaising with the Hutts to procure shipments, and managing Black Sun's distribution network.
Okar (the FABulous!) is our power broker, looking after the work that Black Sun does to manipulate and influence politicians and governments, through bribery, blackmail, extortion, and through other fabulous means.
Kalail Rotas oversees the Black Sun "military", for lack of a better comparison - the pirates, smugglers, and enforcers. In addition, she also looks after a network of heavily fortified banking installations and depositories.
O.W. Outcast looks after the remaining legitimate business ventures of Black Sun, including investments in the droid factory on Geonosis, and the shipyards on Duros.In addition to their galaxy-spanning roles, the Vigos also look after affairs on a specific planet. For example, Kal Olgren is the go-to guy on Coruscant; O.W. Outcast meanwhile oversees the Black Sun operations on Tatooine. There are more systems riddled with Black Sun activity than there are Vigos however. On worlds where there isn't a Vigo in charge, a Black Sun Lieutenant looks after the organisation's operations, in lieu of a Vigo.
Arriana Rezner is the Black Sun Lieutenant on Cloud City. She personally owns and managed the Holiday Towers Casino, as well as conducting and facilitating a lot of the Black Sun smuggling through the Greater Javin region.
All of the other members of Black Sun are usually on the payroll of one of the Vigos or Lieutenants, depending on what they do, where they work, etc.


That's pretty much the situation as I understand it. Is that a resonably correct aconsolodation of what everyone has been saying?

[Dasquian Belargic]

I think OW has technically been on par with Sassy, but I'm not sure if that will be the case once they hammer out the new hiearchy. Otherwise, that all looks about right. Vigo's have multiple Lieutenants to do their dirty work.

[Captain Untouchable]

When you say "Lieutenants to do their dirty work", are those Lieutenants geographical, or are they by role?

Long story short - on Cloud City, is there one Black Sun Lieutenant (Arri), or are there several, with Arri looking after one Casino (and smuggling?), another Lieutenant looking after Cumulus, a separate one looking after blackmail and extortion, etc?

I assume "geographical", but I could well be wrong.

Plus, the Greater Javin is a pretty major smuggling and piracy zone; perhaps Kalail wants to base herself out of Cloud City as well? Maybe she's looking after Cumulus while she's at it?

[Arriana Rezner]

From my experience, the Lts just went wherever the Vigo's sent them. It wasn't as if they were confined to one place, unless it was necessary for their role. Arri previously was based out of Rodia, but IIRC Sorsha had Lts who went with her depending on where she travelled... so it varies from Lt to Lt.

[Atton Kira]

So... it's a glorified title for "Vigo's bitch"?

Guess we need to work out who it is that has Arri whipped, then. :mischief

[Arriana Rezner]

No one has this pussy whipped :colbert

[Atton Kira]

:whip Yet.




:mischief

[Kalail Rotas]

So ... am I to presume that myself and OW are in charge of Black Sun? I am trying to get this straight XD and Sass and Arri are ze Vigos?

[Arriana Rezner]

Arri is still a Lieutenant, as she always was.

I thought you, Sassy and OW were going to work out who was in charge (or share the burden between you :mneh)

[Atton Kira]

Seems that Black Sun is distinguishing between a Vigo, and the Vigo, if that's where the confusion is arising?

But yeah. You guys are supposed to be arm-wrestling over who the boss is, or some such. :uhoh

[Kalail Rotas]

Oh I missed the post where she posted as Sass, damn Ciz language frells up my eyes.

Ok the three of us... running Black Sun is fine as it always was.

[Tear]

Seems that Black Sun is distinguishing between a Vigo, and the Vigo, if that's where the confusion is arising?

But yeah. You guys are supposed to be arm-wrestling over who the boss is, or some such. :uhoh

If we look at the American mafia in comparison the ranking system was generally,

Boss
Under Boss
Captains
Then Soldiers and Associates beneath the captains.

I think the Star wars parallel could be,

Boss
Vigo
Lieutenant

Something like that? We could stick an Under Boss in there too depending on what sort of power sharing there could be? Which I believe depends on how everyone wanted the merger to happen. The last thread discussing this topic was leaning toward a hostile take over. If I remember right?


Kallum can still betray Black Nebula in some way, Sass/Tear and then Miranda off the side get involved, shit his the fan, merger?

The details need to be worked out but I don't see why everyone can't have a part to play.

Is everyone deciding to make it a more amicable merger now, or?

[Kalail Rotas]

I honestly think it would be easier ... Sorsha is out of the picture now, unfortunately, and that was the biggest source of contention. Kalail is her cousin, but having some inside knowledge into what was going on with her cousin might sway her differently.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I thought we were going to have Sasseeri be the big boss, and ya'll BN formers under her.

With Tear as her backer, yada yada yada, we merge the two again...?

Sasseeri won't merge (she told me so) unless she gets to be the big boss.

*I* don't care, but I can't really make her go against character. >_< If we go for three big bosses (call Kalail, Sass and OW Vigos) and make the others Lieutenants, that sort of fixes it though.

Yes?

[John Glayde]

I think it makes sense to have a singular leader; but even as Vigos, OW and Kaliel would have a lot of sway. The Mafia parallel that Tear summed up for us works quite well.

Is Okar a Vigo or not? The FAQ in our forums lists him as such, but there is a distinct lack of Charley from the proceedings...

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Someone will probably have to get a stick and poke him to see if he's still interested in doing it. When we first started talking about merging a month or so ago he was game, but I dunno now. :p

[Kalail Rotas]

I personally don't care as long as Sass holds no grudges :P

[Lilaena De'Ville]

All is forgiven you backstabbing expletives!

lol

Of course, no grudges. Well perhaps a few personal ones but she won't take it out on anyone I promise.

[Miranda Tarkin]

Just for the sake of having a cohesive group to start with is the only reason, not saying their can't be in-fighting I mean we are criminals XD but at least there can be a new foundation to work off of for new characters etc.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Yes well I meant, no grudges being acted upon without checking OOC with characters involved. ;) We can still have fun being dysfunctional.