A New Sith Order

[Baralai Lotus]

Ladies and gentlemen! Too long have the Jedi gone unchecked and with so much power. Too long has the Empire and it's Inquisitoriate ravaged and beaten us Force users into dark corners of the galaxy.

I say, it's time for the Sith to rise up again, and show the universe what real power looks like.

But. . .I can't do it all on my own. I figure it's been a long time since the TSO was around, and it's time for a new Order. A new look, a new planet, a new group leading and new apprentices.

So, what I need are some eager characters that would like to see the resurrection of the Sith. I've got an idea rolling around in my head on how to get it started back up and solidify it's little place in the boards, and I just would like to get an idea of who might be interested in such a thing.

Any takers?

[Salem Ave]

I'm intrigued... go on.

[Kassandra Distorith]

I am also intrigued.

[Firenne Khapst]

As am I, for what my presence is worth.

*kneels with her head bowed*

[Reginald Nil’vak]

I am also intrigued. I go with her. It's a two for one deal, you can't miss. Someone's got to bring some respectability to it all.

[Abarai Loki]

I'm looking for a reason to make a new character, especially a dark-sider, so i'm up for this.

[Vega Van-Derveld]

Look at them all.. crawling out into the open. Like... maggots to rotten flesh.

>D

[Firenne Khapst]

*looks up, wide-eyed*

Ohh my.

[Leliel]

:|

...

:wings

[Ourania]

The stars... do you hear them too? Our time is coming.

[Kassandra Distorith]

There you are, my dove.

[Darth Decepis]

That which you seek is available. You need only call me your one true master, and I will grant you power that such charlatans can scarcely imagine

[Reginald Nil’vak]

There you are, my dove.
Why must I be a dove? They're such filthy creatures. Scarcely a step above pigeons! >_< Vile disease ridden things...

[Kassandra Distorith]

You do not have to be a dove, darling. I was speaking to Ourania.

You are far too magnificent to be a simple bird, Reginald. *purrs*

[Baralai Lotus]

So many. . .children, eager to learn.

I'll be contacting each of you shortly, with details as to what I've got in mind. But, I'm glad to know that so many interested.

[Droo]

Have you a planet in mind? And if not, does anyone have any suggestions?

[Ilias Nytrau]

-refrains from suggesting Korriban-

Ruusan :uhoh or maybe Cularin?

[Droo]

I'll bring Dromund Kaas (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dromund_Kaas) to the table!

[Ilias Nytrau]

Ooh, touché. :rolleyes

[Emelie Shadowstar]

-refrains from suggesting Korriban-

Ruusan :uhoh or maybe Cularin?

Yeah... not so much with Ruusan. :P I really don't want a band of Sith at my neighbors, thanks.

Dromund Kaas sounds badass though!

[Drin Kizael]

Ladies and gentlemen! Too long have the Jedi gone unchecked and with so much power.
Unchecked? So much power? Uhhhhh... you heard about that whole purge thing that happened about 20 years ago or so right? There's like 30 Jedi alive... total... in the whole galaxy... and most of them are kids. Might want to rethink that part of your pitch.


Too long has the Empire and it's Inquisitoriate ravaged and beaten us Force users into dark corners of the galaxy.
Yeah okay now I'm with you. That would make life more interesting.

[Tarsis]

I believe I could bring Tarsis out of retirement for this. His thirst for power has yet to be quenched, not to mention there are Jedi to cull and new sithies to corrupt >=)

[Ivan Fortinbras III]

Sign me up as a doomsider plz

[Baralai Lotus]

Thread up.

If you're interested in following the story. . .please, check it out:

http://www.sw-fans.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20416

[Ourania]

We hear you, Lotus...


There you are, my dove.

Will you show us the way?

[Baralai Lotus]

I will show you the way to true power, Ourania. I will show you the path of the Sith.

[Kassandra Distorith]

*toys with a lock of Ourania's hair*

Among other things, my dove, I most certainly will. Do send me a PM if we are to arrive together to Baralai's thread...we should plan our meeting.

Baralai, I shall do my best to post this evening. Its not entirely easy to wrestle control on the keyboard from the blasted rebel pilot that lives in my writer's head.

[Baralai Lotus]

Completely understandable, my dear. Indulge the pilot, but remember that the dark side is calling. :)

[Karl Valten]

So many dark souls come out to play. Some many dark souls come to pay.

Saves us the trouble of hunting you heretics down.

[Reginald Nil’vak]

Heretics?

Heretics?

My word... you sound an awful lot like my brother. |I

[Desmond Nil’vak]

:| You are all nothing but recreants! Have you no idea what it is you are doing? Not only are you a danger to those of civilized manners, but you unruly lot are a danger to yourselves! We are not meant to be such things! You must atone for these actions, turn away from the Darkness now and perhaps not all is lost...

[Reginald Nil’vak]

*shoves Des out of the thread*

No one asked you, you dismal-dreaming moldwarp... :rolleyes

[Kala'ndryl Ryj]

*arches a pale brow* Charming relationship you two have.

[Inkara Liet]

Heretics?

Heretics?

My word... you sound an awful lot like my brother. |I

Have faith, miscreant. He is nothing alike to your brother.

Pray that your path shall never cross mine, lest I be tempted to show you just how unalike me and mine are from you and yours. >D

[Kassandra Distorith]

*smiles*

Ohh, if only you would cross our paths, little one.

I would find it rather enjoyable.

[Tarsis]

I didn't realize there were this many people interested in joining the thread. I would have never guessed =P

[Carré Inirial]

*pets Tarsis*

All good things come to those who wait. And Kass, I dare say, is...well, maybe not good in the traditional sense, but worth waiting for.

Really it all boils down to me not giving her the keyboard the past few days - I was busy, you see. She'll have it today though :)

[Darth Gravis]

This is interesting.

[Kassandra Distorith]

Gravis...good to see you, my dear.

*smiles*

There...I have posted...my apologies for the delay. I shall filet the rebel bitch for it soon.

[Malice Draclau]

once I can get my rank transfer approved i'll be glad to be a part of a new TSO.

[Carré Inirial]

Malice, it'll be damn good to write with you again.


(tis Kass :))

[Dasquian Belargic]

Looks like being evil is really in fashion all of a sudden :lol

[Darth Bacillus]

Ive decided I will turn this Sith Faction into a Jehovah Witness styled sith faction. First I will seduce whomever the leaders are that way I can convince them to do door to door ministry instead of planet to planet conquest!!!

[Rossos Atrapes]

There will be great sport in this hunt, I wager. But perhaps some of these can be turned to the Empire...

[Karl Valten]

Indeed, brother Inquisitor. Perhaps some of them aren't complete misguided fools.

[Andana Callax]

I, for one, am not misguided. Nor a fool.

[Malice Draclau]

I shall teach my fellow sith, and the young sithlings the old ways....the ways of the true Dark Lords.

Sith Sorcery shall grant us the power we need to crush the galaxy.

[Darth Gravis]

Pfft. Sith sorcery is overrated. It is no match for my harry potter powah!

[Malice Draclau]

heh bring it muggle.

did I spell it right?

[Darth Gravis]

Oh no you -waves finger around- diiiiiiin't

[Baralai Lotus]

Sith Sorcery you say? Perhaps we can find something interesting for you. Sith Alchemy and Sith Sorcery joined together.

And as for you Inquisitors. . .

Enjoy your spot while you have it. Because when the new Order is established, you'll be staring down the blades of Sith Sabers. May the God's have mercy on you when that day comes.

As for you Sithlings out there, so glad to see your interest. Let's keep the ball rolling!

[Anubis Starkiller]

I believe you can count me in as well. Nothing like an Ancient Sith Master to show the path to power beyond your means.

[Leliel]

*giggle*

...*goes back to playing on Rishi* >D

[Dante Richter]

Interesting.

[Tarsis]

So many self proclaimed Sith Lords...Tarsis shall rule you all!!!!!

[Victor Crestmere]

Sith Sorcery you say? Perhaps we can find something interesting for you. Sith Alchemy and Sith Sorcery joined together.

And as for you Inquisitors. . .

Enjoy your spot while you have it. Because when the new Order is established, you'll be staring down the blades of Sith Sabers. May the God's have mercy on you when that day comes.

As for you Sithlings out there, so glad to see your interest. Let's keep the ball rolling!

So says the man with the metal tongue and one eye that we gave you. No worries though. We have many other...things, we could do to you. To all of you! None should feel left out. The Inquisitoriate does not discriminate

I for one would love to have you on MY table Baralai. Let me see what goes on in your head and I promise you'll never be the same

[Anubis Starkiller]

Sorry about my post...had to break it up into 6 parts, hope you guys like it...

[Tarsis]

So is every Sith a vampire now? Just wondering if I need to re-vamp (hehe get it?) Tarsis to fit in better

[Victor Crestmere]

It was good Anubis. I look forward to taking over your life and living it out for you

[Garith Darkhold]

Once my rank and a augmented background is approved, I will help bring war to the galaxy.

[Droo]

I know there's a thread going on which will set things up and I really like what's being done but is there any chance we could, as a group, just start?

To clarify, for a long time roleplayers were procrastinating over what to do with the Jedi, we rolled ideas around, talked it out and found we weren't really getting anywhere. Then one day, after plenty of talk, the Wheel suddenly existed and equally impressive was that most, if not all, of our characters were conveniently there already without having to roleplay the getting to part. Now things are starting to flourish; plenty of activity, plenty of threads and characters getting to know each other and work together. It's great.

Now, I do not mean to disparage the work and effort of all who are contributing towards the Moment of the Ages thread but I've seen these threads before, too often, and they take ages to go anywhere and that's if they get finished. What I'm getting at is while that story is unfolding in all its glory, would it not be possible to just establish the Sith base of operations on Dromund Kaas, as is planned, so we can get stuck in and roleplay together without having to wait for a thread which could take months to finish before we can actually start?

[Dasquian Belargic]

^ Droo makes a good point. I approached Baralai earlier about the possibility of setting up some forums for this new faction, so I will leave it up to him to lead the discussion on that.

[Tear]

I've talked to Baralai about making sure the thread keeps moving. I believe he was going to let everyone respond to his characters voiced plan then load everyone into the shuttle and off you go to Dromund Kass.

There I believe the group would investigate the ruins of Dromund Kass, delve into its mysteries, uncover...things? Fight off beasties that have made the ruins its home.

I can certainly understand your perspective Droo and your caution when it comes to dying threads. That's why I also advised Baralai to simply leave anyone who lags behind and continue on. Look at it from another angle as the group already having been established. This is just their first "mission" together.

Because really even when Dromund Kass is established everyone will still be looking for something to do. This thread and series of threads planned, gives you just that. Something to do with direction.

[Baralai Lotus]

I agree with Droo, and I'm going to need to speak with a few of you to make some arrangements. So, I will send out messages accordingly, and I will let you know just what's going on.

[Blade Bacquin]

Third times a charm on getting a sith group up and running I guess. lol

[Lucianus Adair]

That would be the hope, yes.

[Dasquian Belargic]

We can't all be perfect first time :mneh

[Baralai Lotus]

Third time is a charm, sir. The thread will still continue as planned, those Sithlings that get left behind will find their own way to the Order. The thread will allow everyone to go on their mission and enjoy the storyline and getting to be a part of the construction of the new Order.

[Blade Bacquin]

We can't all be perfect first time :mneh

Yeah yeah. BTW where did all these masters come from none of them existed when I was going it alone to start a group nor did they exist on Dru's attempt?

[Serena]

We have some people from TGC that may be transferring their rank over to here. Technically they're not masters yet. :)

[Blade Bacquin]

We have some people from TGC that may be transferring their rank over to here. Technically they're not masters yet. :)

Ah well that explains that. It was just odd there all of a sudden being this group of unaligned sith masters that didn't exist before. I mean when i was going at there was me as a sith lord and my master as a master. If there is more of a leadership I can see this working.

I know from experience having just one person trying to push everything forward for those that want to join up doesn't work.

[Tarsis]

We have some people from TGC that may be transferring their rank over to here. Technically they're not masters yet. :)

Yeah...I'm not so sure how I feel about that. Just saying =/

[Malice Draclau]

*Eyes Blade Ice*

I remember your name. And do not worry Tarsis, I am more then qualified for my rank. You'll see my sithy buddy.

[Lucianus Adair]

I believe it is not us that will see, but you, Malice Draclau.

Oh, you most certainly will see.

[Baralai Lotus]

Baralai's most likely close to being a Sith Master, these days I might rank him in the Lord position. For the most part, I feel like since the destruction of the Order the rank system sort of fell apart.

And as Serena said, they aren't technically masters. So, everyone's on some kind of fair playing ground for the moment.

[Dasquian Belargic]

The new arrivals from TGC are either playing as Knights or Apprentices for a probationary month.

[Tear]

I find the ranking system to be a symbol of immaturity to those who worry over it.

It was basically a restrictive system set in place to keep people from writing characters with abusive power and no writing experience to back it up. In a perfect world all of you would choose the path that creates the best story for your character and bend it to work in conjunction with those you write with.

Being a master doesn't make you a better writer. Nor does it make the story you are writing any more interesting then it would if you were an apprentice or knight. There shouldn't be a need for people to define themselves as Master, Knight or Apprentice level beyond what they might identify themselves as In Character.

In this new Sith order there shouldn't be a need for masters. It should just be a group of dark aligned individuals, each with their own perspectives and insights, willing to share with each other to learn.

But this, again, would be in a perfect world. One we don't live in, so its a necessity to keep nubs who want "UNLIMITED POWER !!!11!!", in check. It also serves to keep down the number of masters in a galaxy from beyond a reasonable amount.

If I had my way I would put a hard population cap on the number of "masters" the swfans universe could hold. And it wouldn't go beyond 2 or 3.

[Blade Bacquin]

And yet EU wise there where allot of sith masters (aka dark lords) fighting to be the leader of the mighty sith empire. Until bane came a long that is.

There is no need for a ranking system among force users even though such ranking is cannon? I don't see at as anything more then that a cannon concept that we keep intact. Trust me this place fights over rank allot less then any other place I have. So here I see as more upholding cannon then being there to keep noobs in there place.

In your perfect world where there are no ranks there are no master ranks so there couldn't be a stipulation of 2 or 3 masters.

Then again in a perfect world those two three master rank people would be willing to include all sith underlings into there groups or plots (since master would signify leadership). Which this is not and that would never happen here even if it was. But before this delves back into my issues with fans I will try to steer this back to my point.

I would so love to tell you where to shove that perfect little world of yours tear because it doesn't even sound perfect. It sounds more like a world where those who are better (or at least think they are ) get more privileges then those trying to just improve or are here to have fun (not make another job of it).

TGC's problem IMO to many people putting you down for trying because they think there writing is vastly better then everbody else. They make it feel like work rather then fun. I come here to have fun relax delve into a fantasy world that is not reality. Yes my writing skill improves or has but that is not why I come here. So stop trying to make it about writing and how good so and so is because that's just bullshit.

Trust me I know some of you won't rp with certain other people because there writing level isn't on par with what think yours is. That's more immature then a ranking system that's cannon.

[Baralai Lotus]

I understand your point Blade, although I feel you could have expressed it a little more nicely. I don't know much about the TGC people, although I'm more than happy to have people here who want to write and participate in the new Sith Order. An Order can't survive without members.

Tear was simply commenting on the fact that being that this is the internet and you never know what could happen, it only takes one person to come in and go, "LAWLAWL! I R SITH MASTUR!" And claim they have all these ridiculous powers.

It's just a way to keep things in check. I don't think they're should be a cap on it or anything, but I think someone willing to play a character with Force powers should have to start somewhere. You can't just come into the game understanding everything about it. I'm hoping that the new Sith Order will give those people who want to play Sith a place to come and flesh out their characters and work on making them more 3d.

It's just a chance for everyone to build some story up behind their character on these boards. So, while the rank system is going to be acknowledged, people who are Sith Masters will still be interacting with apprentices. As a matter of fact, I've already got plans on ways to get the entire Order involved in story threads. This will promote cohesion as a group, activity and to make sure that everyone on the boards gets a nice entertaining show.

[Tarsis]

It is what it is and us peons on the boards don't really have a say in what the Mods will allow and won't allow but for what its worth, I agree with Baralai.

With that said, I look forward to getting this thing off the ground and reaking havoc across the universe. So lets get this party started and get to posting XD

[Dasquian Belargic]

I am personally of the opinion that since the reset, ranks have taken on a diminished significance at 'Fans. Largely, the board regulates itself, in that the roleplayers here have enough common sense and respect for one another not to go crazy with what their characters can and can't do. If nothing else, I can't imagine anyone here wanting to roleplay with someone whose sole interest was in flaunting their characters command of the Force. We are very much a story driven community.

I would also have to agree with Blade that limiting the number of people of a certain rank would not be something I would choose to do. Our current setting is one that naturally lends itself towards a reduced number of Force Users, compared to the Jedi and Sith of "old", but again this is mostly self-regulating.

Ultimately, the purpose of 'Fans is to allow people to have fun. If that means working your way up from lowly Apprentice to powerful Master, there's nothing wrong with that. Other people might like the idea of being an eternal Apprentice, and some don't even bother writing Force Users at all. To each his own! I certainly won't say what Fans is and isn't, at its core, trying to achieve. That is, as always, for the community and each individual member to decide.

[Tear]

And yet EU wise there where allot of sith masters (aka dark lords) fighting to be the leader of the mighty sith empire. Until bane came a long that is.

Was there? Even in Marko Ragno's day there were really only two contenders for top dog. Could other 'lords' be considered masters compared to the strongest two? That brings to light more confusion, until Bane there was only one who could be titled, "Dark Lord of the Sith" and usually they were synonymous with the rank of master. If you wanted to go with EU presently in our setting any Masters would be extremely rare.


There is no need for a ranking system among force users even though such ranking is cannon? I don't see at as anything more then that a cannon concept that we keep intact. Trust me this place fights over rank allot less then any other place I have. So here I see as more upholding cannon then being there to keep noobs in there place.
Like I said before, "There shouldn't be a need for people to define themselves as Master, Knight or Apprentice level beyond what they might identify themselves as In Character."

I mentioned the need to identify someone's position in character. If you are leading a band of Sith and ruling an empire, then yeah, it makes sense to refer to yourself as a master. You would be a master of several Sith. If your tooling around the galaxy with just one apprentice. OR even if your character is a crazy old hermit abandoned on some ancient planet forgotten by the galaxy, by all means refer to yourself as a master. What I'm saying is the story, and what you really want to write, should define what your characters position is, but thats in a perfect world.


In your perfect world where there are no ranks there are no master ranks so there couldn't be a stipulation of 2 or 3 masters.
You've seemed to have confused me having my way and a perfect world. :P In a perfect world people would write what they wished and not have to worry about people abusing it.

If I had my way there would be a pop cap on 'masters' over the boards. It's only because those with the master rank who choose to write below their achieved level that we don't have a swfans universe populated by 60% Masters. Don't you think thats a lot? Even if we went back in time to were Sith had a huge population. It is still a lot.


Then again in a perfect world those two three master rank people would be willing to include all sith underlings into there groups or plots (since master would signify leadership). Which this is not and that would never happen here even if it was. But before this delves back into my issues with fans I will try to steer this back to my point.
Buh? Chip on the shoulder much? Before this order got started up, there was only one Sith Master with a valid group to recruit people into and that was Kuklos Ataxia. I don't think I've seen Salem actually refuse anyone. He's even had two( one (http://www.sw-fans.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20237) and two (http://www.sw-fans.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20195) ) open recruitment threads lately.

I've noticed other master's, who don't currently lead an actual group of Sith, trying to recruit (http://www.sw-fans.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20208)as well. So I'm not sure where you get this idea that if there were suddenly three groups they wouldn't let people join?


I would so love to tell you where to shove that perfect little world of yours tear because it doesn't even sound perfect. It sounds more like a world where those who are better (or at least think they are ) get more privileges then those trying to just improve or are here to have fun (not make another job of it).
Dude. What are you talking about? If I had my perfect world people would write what they felt like writing regardless of a Mod entitling someone to write it.

If its just the population cap of 3 masters that bothers you, why do you have such a problem with that? Does having an 'ooc' title suddenly let you do better things? Being a knight doesn't bar you from creating a good story. I know the idea of a perfect world and the concept of having a population cap on Sith Masters seems like a contradiction but really it should just be the story you want to write that defines the character.

For example right now are three camps of dark siders, which would logically dictate three masters.

Salem Ave and Kuklos Ataxia. I think Darth Callidus would be an obvious choice for a Sith Master for reasons I don't think I have to explain.

Baralai Lotus and the Sith Order. It would stand to reason someone in the new group would be ushered into a leadership role but I've always liked the idea of a ruling council sharing the power between them. Maybe the council makes up the power of one master? Keeps the treachery and power struggles (if there are any) on an even playing field.

Hera and Tear it could be argued would be a third camp. With Hera being a long depowered Sith Master who has the knowledge but is struggling to regain her connection to the force.


TGC's problem IMO to many people putting you down for trying because they think there writing is vastly better then everbody else. They make it feel like work rather then fun. I come here to have fun relax delve into a fantasy world that is not reality. Yes my writing skill improves or has but that is not why I come here. So stop trying to make it about writing and how good so and so is because that's just bullshit.
I know next to nothing about TGC so I will take your word for it. I never said anything about ones ability to write or how good they had to be to become a master. You've taken a lot of what I said and bent it around to make me look like I am some sort of elitist. And no its not bullshit, I truly believe story should come first. I haven't seen anyone on the boards who couldn't piece together a sentence so, again, I've no idea where your getting this belief that I would personally like a restriction on people based on their writing ability.

I've certainly never made a decision about writing with someone based on their ability to actually write. I've actually had the opposite happen for example: Chir'daki a while back approached me about an idea and we tried to mesh a story together but weather it didn't pan out or what, nothing ever became of it.

I can tell you that is not because of his writing. He's probably one of the best writers on these boards and I know for a fact he's far better then I am. So again, I don't know how you've been slighted but maybe things have evolved since it happened. I don't know.


I am personally of the opinion that since the reset, ranks have taken on a diminished significance at 'Fans. Largely, the board regulates itself, in that the roleplayers here have enough common sense and respect for one another not to go crazy with what their characters can and can't do. If nothing else, I can't imagine anyone here wanting to roleplay with someone whose sole interest was in flaunting their characters command of the Force. We are very much a story driven community.

Exactly. We've pretty much achieved that perfect world setting. The ranking system is almost a relic of the olden days.


I would also have to agree with Blade that limiting the number of people of a certain rank would not be something I would choose to do. Our current setting is one that naturally lends itself towards a reduced number of Force Users, compared to the Jedi and Sith of "old", but again this is mostly self-regulating.

Yeah I'll concede the fact that having a hard cap on the Master population ultimately wouldn't hold up. I mean if the TGC people that had come over decided to form their own merry order to form a fourth camp, or anyone else decided to do the same it would be logical to have a master within each group.

[Aree Ankarta]

I think you forgot Darth Decepis and s'Il making up a fourth camp.

[Captain Untouchable]

Tear -

Only critique of your argument would be your usage of the term "Master". According to EU, the rank of Jedi Master simply means "A Jedi Knight whose Padawan has passed the Trials." Qui Gon was a 'Jedi Master' in Episode I; Obi Wan became one as soon as he passed the Trials.

Above Jedi Master, you then have the Jedi Masters who sit on the Council. The confusion arrises from Lucas' script. Usually, being a Master is a prerequisite of being on the Council, rather than a side-effect, if you catch the subtle difference. Usually, you're a Master first, and then a Councillor; hence the "We do not grant you the rank of Master".

Still higher than that is the rank of Grandmaster; the head honcho of the Order. This gets confusing, because Mace Windu and Yoda had similar sounding titles at the same time... but effectively, it's this rank that would equal Dark Lord of the Sith. So actually, based on your logic, there are several teirs of Jedi authority for Masters to fall.

- - -

That said, I do think having too many Masters is a bad idea... for various reasons.

There isn't really a "Jedi Master" at the moment. We've been playing it as if the Jedi are still very much a repressed, innumerate group, having been thoroughly stamped out by Palpatine during the Purge. Any "trained" Jedi are pretty much Padawan who managed to survive, or a handful of Knights that dodged the bullet under special circumstances. Everyone else is just a Force Sensitive that's learned it themselves, or had a handful of training. I'm not sure how many Jedi there are, but we're certainly down in double digits: we'd struggle to pull of a Geonosis, to be fair.

Add to that the fact that the Sith were already trampled by the Rule of Two thing... and, well, where do all these Sith "Masters" come from. I mean, isn't that incongruous with the established canon we've got around on these boards? Far be it from me to stand in the way of someone carving out their own niché and what not - I do it often enough - but it might be nice if there was a little more... concession to the existing style, maybe?

Just so I'm not throwing out criticism without anything constructive, what if you were to totally switch things around? Instead of trying to replicate an evil Jedi Order, what if you did it more like, say, the Academy on Korriban from KOTOR? Instead of "Knights" and "Masters", your experienced people would be the teachers and instructors. They still get the status and everything, but because it isn't boxed in with an instantly recognisable rank, we skirt around all these issues entirely. And, like the Academy at Korriban, you've got a potential added draw to explain why there are perhaps more Sith than Jedi, too: the Academy let anyone in, and trained them in the ways of the Force, provided they had no potential. No rigourous selection. No convoluted moral code. You could draw out more people, and bring them into your central location on Dromund Kaas... while the Jedi are still hiding in their Wheel, trying not to be found.

Just a thought... but something like that which shapes around the existing plot elements might be more fun, not just for the people involved in the faction, but for anyone from elsewhere on the boards wanting to interact as well. After all, we are a community. :)

[Ishara Alastor]

Navaria Tarkin is our lone Jedi Master, fyi.

[Captain Untouchable]

Oh yeah. I forgot about that whole epic discussion thing where we talked about that. >_<

[Baralai Lotus]

The plans I have for the new group are pretty much doing away with the rule of two. I'm taking from Darth Krayt's idea of the One Sith, that together they can truly dominate everything. And there will be Sith showing up to try and draw people in, it will be similar to an academy type setting, however there will be some more structure to it all. There will be a council, each serving a specific purpose for the One Sith, to encourage it's growth.

Apprentices will see a new system of training, rather than having one particular master they'll see a series of training. Some will teach combat, others operations of the Force. All in all, we're going to see a different Order than what we are accustomed too.

Why. . .even the name of the group is different. . .and I'm happy to bring anyone and everyone into it that would like to participate and be a part of the group. As for molding around the story on the boards at the moment, that's basically how this all came about. As the threads for the Orders construction play out, you'll see exactly what I'm talking about.

[Blade Bacquin]

If its just the population cap of 3 masters that bothers you, why do you have such a problem with that? Does having an 'ooc' title suddenly let you do better things? Being a knight doesn't bar you from creating a good story. I know the idea of a perfect world and the concept of having a population cap on Sith Masters seems like a contradiction but really it should just be the story you want to write that defines the character.

Let me see you have three sith masters only at the top. Due to rules OOC I can't kill let's say Tear who thinks he is at the top of the food chain. Like you could in the real sith golden age if you wanted to be in charge you kill the guy at the top. Yet with the rules in place IC I can't do that. IC my character would always have to be beneath you and never get a chance to gain equal or even better station maybe. Basically with the no kill rule (which I have nothing against) having only three bosses/leaders/masters takes away the struggle for power.

In essences it makes those three leaders almost untouchable and impossible to ever dethrone. It frankly makes what you want to avoid I'm at the top so I am uber sort of thing. I have seen it done in other groups with one central leader the person at the top becomes untouchable and it even cares over into the OOC (which thankfully here due to the way board leadership is set up such a thing is unlikely to care over to OOC here). I mean there are already Characters here who hold allot of power that I see as untouchables and I don't like it cause I don't see it as realistic.

So there I hope that answers your question on why I have a problem with it.



Buh? Chip on the shoulder much? Before this order got started up, there was only one Sith Master with a valid group to recruit people into and that was Kuklos Ataxia. I don't think I've seen Salem actually refuse anyone. He's even had two( one and two ) open recruitment threads lately.

I've noticed other master's, who don't currently lead an actual group of Sith, trying to recruit as well. So I'm not sure where you get this idea that if there were suddenly three groups they wouldn't let people join?

I can refute the top claim. Sorry Jen I know I said I wouldn't bring it up again I do appologize. I was denied three time by the KA with various Characters not mention what happened with the fourth one that I did manage to get in the group. Yet that's all I will say cause I promised I would let the issue go. :)

[Dasquian Belargic]

A 'Master cap' is not going to happen any time soon, so there is no need to debate on that any further. We are not in the habit of limiting how many of a certain character can exist, providing the writers behind those characters can play them realistically in the post-Endor setting.

That being said, I think the only character we have right now who I would say is untouchable is Miranda. All of the others have weaknesses that simply have not been exploited.

Salem, for instance, has a documented history as a Jedi pre-Purge. If another Jedi from that time was to become aware of his existence on Onderon (in spite of the false alias he is going under, which is close to his real name) they could jeopardise a great deal of what he is working towards.

The fact that this hasn't happened so far isn't through any machination on my part. No one has approached me with the idea of putting him in danger in anyway, so I have just continued writing him on the story-arc projectary that I intended for him: Sidious-like rise to power. I don't actually ever see him reaching this point, besides in that 'What if..' thread we did, so my goal certainly isn't to make him untouchable. I'm just not going to scupper a perfectly good arch-villain without someone dreaming up a good plot for said scuppering :mneh

[Tarsis]

Baralai and I have talked extensively about the direction of this new order. Like he said, we both like the idea that Darth Krayt had: Unite the Sith under a single banner, similar to the KOTOR Academies, but make it so there will be no more of the its the way of the dark side to betray one another and focus more on story and cohesion as a group. As for now, betrayal of the group will be looked upon as treason. It will be largely, “If you’re not with us, you’re against us” kind of mentality.

We feel that this will not only help strengthen the new order as a whole, but that it will also enable us to have more of an impact on the IC role-play setting; ie: conflict with the jedi, etc, etc.

Capt Untouchable had a great point about the “students and instructors” and Baralai and I were heading in that direction anyways, as Baralai said in his previous post, the apprentices will see a new style of training. With that said, titles in our new order will be more formal than anything just as it was with Lord Kaan and the Brotherhood of Darkness. They tossed around the title of “darth” like candy at a fat kids birthday party.

For the most part, I feel that once things get up and rolling and people see how things have been planned out you all will be pleased. We will be focusing a lot on story for the most part and I’m sure there will be a few who don’t see things our way, but you will dealt with and purged from the galaxy ^_^

[TheHolo.Net]

An exciting prospect to be sure. I wish y'all the best of luck and hope for your success. Let us know what we can do to help as board staff.

Note: I leave RP type decisions to the staff that actually RP, being as I no longer do.

[Tear]

Let me see you have three sith masters only at the top. Due to rules OOC I can't kill let's say Tear who thinks he is at the top of the food chain.

:lol I've never said, or given the impression, I thought Tear was at the top of the food chain. I didn't even list him as a master(which he definitely is not.) in the grouping of 3. So enough with the back handed comments.


Like you could in the real sith golden age if you wanted to be in charge you kill the guy at the top. Yet with the rules in place IC I can't do that. IC my character would always have to be beneath you and never get a chance to gain equal or even better station maybe. Basically with the no kill rule (which I have nothing against) having only three bosses/leaders/masters takes away the struggle for power.

In essences it makes those three leaders almost untouchable and impossible to ever dethrone. It frankly makes what you want to avoid I'm at the top so I am uber sort of thing. I have seen it done in other groups with one central leader the person at the top becomes untouchable and it even cares over into the OOC (which thankfully here due to the way board leadership is set up such a thing is unlikely to care over to OOC here). I mean there are already Characters here who hold allot of power that I see as untouchables and I don't like it cause I don't see it as realistic.

So there I hope that answers your question on why I have a problem with it.

Ok well first, I've never seen anyone just rush in and kill whoever was at the top. You've left out the fact that there is usually some sort of diabolic plan which is put forth in order to dethrone someone in power. Or at least an event of some kind that would give the opportunity to confront that person/character.

And since you can't kill that person outright (which you have no problem with) then coming up with a plan or storyline to knock them from the top without direct lethal means is still possible. The only issue at that point becomes involvement.

But I do see your point how limiting the cap to a few might make them 'immortal' in that sense. So I will, again, concede the fact that a cap would be a bad thing in the long run.



I can refute the top claim. Sorry Jen I know I said I wouldn't bring it up again I do appologize. I was denied three time by the KA with various Characters not mention what happened with the fourth one that I did manage to get in the group. Yet that's all I will say cause I promised I would let the issue go. :)

Well that was something I didn't know about and since it sounds like a private affair I'm not going to continue with it.

Oh and like Darven pointed out earlier I forgot about Si'l and Dan, my bad. It simply slipped my mind. Wasn't on purpose!:ohno

[Blade Bacquin]

I've never said, or given the impression, I thought Tear was at the top of the food chain. I didn't even list him as a master(which he definitely is not.) in the grouping of 3. So enough with the back handed comments.


Wasn't meant to be Backhanded was using it as an example since me and you are discussing this I used you and me as the examples. If you took offense sorry.

[Baralai Lotus]

So is everything settled?

Can we all be friends again? lol

[Tarsis]

Yes. Yes it is. Now go freakin post peoples so we can get this thing rolling lol

[Rathe Maris]

I'm interested in joining this new sith group.

Unless it turns out to be a sausage fest then I'm out. I mean really what are sith with out deadly sexy women.

[Firenne Khapst]

I'll be there.

That should be more than enough.

[Rathe Maris]

Hello there!

Do you happen to have a map? I’m lost in your eyes.

*cheesy grin*

You wanna do some evil sith things in the back of my hover van um... I mean YT-1300?

I'm in just tell this Corellian where to sign and I'll be one of these sith.

[Firenne Khapst]

*sighs & lofts a brow at Rathe*

Really?

*mutters 'This is NOT what I left Zeltros for' & twirls a flechette in her fingers*

Evil Sith things? As long as they involve you begging for mercy at the end of my blade, sure...

*smiles sweetly*

[Baralai Lotus]

If you are interested in the new Sith Order, I am going to need you to send me a PM with a little bit of back story on your character. This will allow me to figure out how to work each of you in to a bigger story so that we can all stay active. Thank you.

This is the first time this many Darksiders have been interested in joining a group since the fall of the original TSO. So please, keep the enthusiasm going guys.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Good luck new Order of Sith!

Do you have a name? Or are you calling yourselves the Sith Order?

[Baralai Lotus]

Well, assuming people stay interested and into things, we're going to actually be The Sith Monarchy.

[Rathe Maris]

Sent PM Mr. Lotus and hope to get involved with this group sound very interesting.

[Darth Decepis]

Would there be any interest in having a corruption sub-plot within the Monarchy? I cannot imagine that Decepis would in any way shape or form tolerate this group in his sight, and would actively invest his energies in turning 'Sith' against each other.

[Rathe Maris]

Would there be any interest in having a corruption sub-plot within the Monarchy? I cannot imagine that Decepis would in any way shape or form tolerate this group in his sight, and would actively invest his energies in turning 'Sith' against each other.

I like that Idea. However I would say let the group get a foot in the door before such a storyline would start to play out.

[Tarsis]

Would there be any interest in having a corruption sub-plot within the Monarchy? I cannot imagine that Decepis would in any way shape or form tolerate this group in his sight, and would actively invest his energies in turning 'Sith' against each other.

Gee-wiz Decepis, we're not even a real forum yet and you're already planning out demise ^_~

You could try but I dont think you'd get very far >=)

[Baralai Lotus]

Indeed, the Fist of the Sith will crush any opposition.

Hehehe, but yes, I think we could work that in a little later down the road.

And Mr. Maris, I got your pm. Thank you! I'll be talking with you some more shortly.

[Dasquian Belargic]

Oh, Decepis.. you took the words right out of my mouth [/Callidus]

[Tarsis]

*waits patiently for people to post*

[Rathe Maris]

And Mr. Maris, I got your pm. Thank you! I'll be talking with you some more shortly.

Sure thing I will be waiting.

[Tarsis]

So Baralai and I have been talking and we feel we have waited long enough for those interested in this story arc to post. With that said, I have posted and moved the story on. If I'm not mistaken, Baralai will be taking off from Tatooine and heading towards Dromund Kaas where the next part of the story will take place.

For those who are still interested, Rathe Maris aside, you can PM myself or Baralai and we'll let you know when your character can slide back into the swing of things. Sorry if this upsets people, but we can't keep holding things up forever.

[Ourania]

I am waiting on Saevitia before I post again.

[Carré Inirial]

On behalf of Saevitia:

My sincerest apologies...the muse has made several attempts to flee, and I've only just now wrested her under proper control. Baralai can presume that I glared at him for touching me and declined the ride on his ship. I always take my own.

Shall I meet you both on Dromund Kaas?

[Baralai Lotus]

You shall, milady.

[Baralai Lotus]

The thread is not dead, btw.

I have been super busy with school, and Tarsis just got married.

Expect a post within the week.

[Dasquian Belargic]

OH hey, congrats Tarsis :) We'll be ready and waiting when you guys are done having busy/awesome lives ;)

[Tarsis]

Lol thanks Dasq, I appreciate it ^^

Alas, the honeymoon is over and its back to real life lol. With that said, lets get this rolling again. I'm still super excited about this story arc. Baralai and I have come up with some goooood stuff I'm sure the lot of you will like

[Pierce Tondry]

Ahoy, congrats! Also welcome back!