Question of Character Usage?

[Jason Mcgraves]

For those of you who don't know this character well enough I'm Blade Ice/OW Outcast.

Now the question at hand is for this character Jason Mcgraves or rather the whole clan of Mcgraves (and some of their assumed Alias's Raine).

The Idea evolved from this thread?

http://sw-fans.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19153

The concept is this Jason Mcgraves an Imperial Intel agent killed most of his family (except his two brother's Allex and Jackson). When killing his mom she revealed the families deep secret with how they got away with being force user's while being Imperial supporters.

The secret was that his mother had lied about her upbringing and she was in fact a sister to Palpatine. Her past was covered up to protect her because her brother was well high profile. Either she could have been used against him or her relationship to him could have been used against her.

So it was covered up and most of the records where either lost or destroyed about Palpatine's past. So there is very little left to prove that the Mcgraves brothers are in fact the nephew's of palpatine.

Now as a Community I need to ask if I can have the Mcgraves family have lineage to Palpatine?

[Droo]

I'm cool with it, as long as this backstory is used for the purpose character depth and motivation and not abused in anyway, so no trying to overthrow our beloved Empress! :uhoh

[Jason Mcgraves]

No plans to over throwing anything.

In fact I want to go on the Idea it needs to be kept a secret in order to protect themselves from well a ton of people. I see it as more of a threat on there lives then a gift.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Factual information about Palpatine as a child and as a young adult is extremely hard to come by. Records pertaining to his ancestry, immediate family members, and upbringing had mysteriously vanished by the beginning of the New Order.<sup id="cite_ref-SWCVD_5-0" class="reference">[6] (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Palpatine#cite_note-SWCVD-5)</sup> The general assumption is that these records were destroyed to conceal his identity as a Sith, but there is another, though less credible, possibility: there may never have been a real being named Palpatine born on Naboo; Darth Sidious, whose real identity prior to becoming a Sith would therefore be completely unknown, may actually have created the identity of Palpatine in order to enter the political sphere,<sup id="cite_ref-SWI88_6-0" class="reference">[7] (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Palpatine#cite_note-SWI88-6)</sup> and so there would be no records about a fictitious ancestry and family to destroy.
The names of Palpatine's parents have never been discovered, but as he himself has been described as a noble,<sup id="cite_ref-RASB_8-0" class="reference">[9] (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Palpatine#cite_note-RASB-8)</sup> it is likely that they too were of noble lineage. He was not an only child; the existence of a remote grandniece, Ederlathh Pallopides (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ederlathh_Pallopides) (b. 4 BBY (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/4_BBY)) indicates that he had at least one sibling, name and gender unknown.

Even if they did have a connection to Palpatine, the Empire wouldn't know about it because all such records were destroyed. So the thing you're trying to achieve - the family's protection because of their lineage - would be impossible because there would be no proof.

I'm personally against it, because its a precedent we don't want to set (a family of Palpatines? like the Marzullos?), but I'm willing to see what other people think.

We HAVE allowed a Tarkin, which technically is already a precendent for descendants of a film/canon character. But I think there are other ways you can achieve what you want without bringing Palpatine's family into it.

[Dasquian Belargic]

I don't really like the idea - for the reasons that Lilaena provided - but it's been pointed out to me that others are playing characters who are related to, were employed by or have otherwise had dealings with canon/EU characters... so I don't really know how I can say you can't do this without making it a case of one set of rules for some people and one set of rules for another.

[Estelle Russard]

I dont see a reason why you cant do it the way you've outlined it.

In fact, it would be fun to call the brother's "pretenders' should they ever really wish to lay claim to such a heritage. Who can prove it true or false?

You may regret knowing such a family secret ;)

[Aurelias Kazaar]

I'm still thinking about it. I think it can be done but I normally prefer staying away from canon as much as possible. If the claim can never be proven, then McGraves is just some random guy saying he's Palpatine's nephew.

[Jason Mcgraves]

Currently I have decided against this idea. I was going to use it as a catalyst to explain a few things about the Mcgraves family.

For instance how the family got away with being force sensitive/force users while still being imperial supporters. Because that is my biggest issue to overcome in this storyline since most force sensitive people in the empire where forced into specific rolls such as hands and inquisitors. Positions where oddly enough an eye could be kept on them.

The other issues I was going to explain with this idea can be over come easy enough. I'm still having a problem though explaining the force sensitive one. I asked Miranda how she got away with it in her back story and for a single individual it works well. Yet for a whole family (minus one that isn't force sensitive) it would be way too suspicious.

As for Estelle's comment that is very true if it would have come out into the open there be allot of "pretenders"/"fakes" being claimed. That's because even in the cannon there where a ton of families that tried to lay claim to being part of Palp's legacy with little or no proof to make a case.

As for this comment (a family of Palpatines? like the Marzullos?). If you must know there was and never will be a plan to make the Mcgraves anything like Marzullos with or without the Palp's story line. There are five member's in the family currently and the plan was actually to eventually eliminate a few of them not expand them.

So I still got the issue of how to explain their force sensitivity and how they got away without being tested. Any suggestions on how I can get past this?

[Captain Untouchable]

Ties to the Inquisitorious? Mama Mcgraves was one of the Emperor's hands? There are pleanty of high-profile Force sensitive people in the Empire now, and I doubt they all suddenly revealed their abilities the moment Palpatine died; some of them must have been around, must have been known about by ImpIntel, the Inquisitorious, and such; and just left to their own devices for whatever reason, because they weren't a particular threat or anything.

[Lykaios]

A suggestion if I may and you might have already thought about this.

When you say the family supported the Empire could that support somehow buy them a favor? Perhaps a bribe of sorts that could keep their secret low-profile? Maybe even tie it with the previous suggestion of having a relation with an Inquisitor.

Having an insider who could falsify information about their status/force-sensitivity or tip them off if they were to be tested (and they somehow can them be prepared) may also be viable option.

Just a thought.