Lost: Season Four

[Rutabaga]

Wow, now that was an episode worth waiting 8 months for last night. Fabulous! Best part had to be Hurley telling Claire about Charlie.

And now we know that apparently only 6 people made it off the island...3 of them are Jack, Kate, and Hurley, so now we have to wait and see who the other 3 are. And they're hiding some kind of devastating secret. Mysteries and more mysteries, I love it.

I hung around and watched that new show Eli Stone to see the Oceanic Airlines commercial...I knew they weren't going to show it until towards the very end, but boy, that was worth it too. "We found Flight 815" with footage of the plane underwater? Oooooo! :dance

[Darth McBain]

Yeah - definitely a good episode. I forgot how much I loved this show!!!

I missed the Oceanic commercial though - I'll have to see if anyone's posted that online...

[Darth McBain]

Well - a quick search brought up some interesting sites --- enjoy... :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhg2yXNfRYU&feature=related

http://flyoceanicair.com/

http://www.find815.com/

[Lilaena De'Ville]

This episode was friggin' sweeeeeet! I loved it, and I am enjoying the flash-forwards as opposed to flashbacks. I think its a great way to tell the story, and its very intriguing.

Can't wait for next week. :D

[Jedi Master Carr]

The episode was amazing. I am with Rose on Locke I don't really trust. Sure he is right but he is becoming another Ben. Oh Ben did have the best line of the episode with, "If you don't mind Jack, I am going to go with John." As for the 6 well, I am not sure who they are. I think one of the other three might be Sayid but that is just a guess on my part. I think most everybody else is still stuck on the island. Still this doesn't rule out Desmond, Julliet, and Ben leaving since they weren't on the plane.

[Rutabaga]

After seeing last night's episode, I have just one question to ask:

How many more times is Ben going to get the snot beat outta him? :lol

Interesting episode, and it was nice that we got some snippets about the 4 "rescuers" who landed on the island. I'm especially intrigued by the ghost-busting con man and the pilot. And now knowing that their main objective is finding Ben definitely raises the stakes.

As we've all suspected, I guess, something so major is going on on the island that it was worth the Dharma Initiative planting fake wreckage in the ocean, it's just weird that they put it near Sri Lanka, as I recall, which is nowhere near the route a plane would take from Sydney to LA.

And what was up with the polar bear in Tunisia? Curiouser and curiouser. :)

[Jedi Master Carr]

I thought the wreckage was near Indonesia? And man is Ben manipulative and still creepy. I do see why he lead everybody to believe they were coming to kill everyone on the island, he is thinking about his own survival. The question is why do they want Ben? I guess it could be because he murdered all those people years ago, or he knows of some secret on the island Dharma wants.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I thought the Dharma people all got murdered on the Island - so why would they plant a false plane? (sidetrack - Parkman is dead? Nuuuu! :p) And could the Others have done it? The Others had been going back and forth from the Island after all, in the Dharma submarine, pretending to be Dharma.

And the polar bear skellington in Tattooine, I mean, Tunsia... Its all very mysterious.

I liked the episode. :)

[jjwr]

The Polar Bear threw me for a loop, for it to be buried and bleached like it was you know the skeleton had been there for a while. In a dry arid environment like that it takes a while for a body to decompose like that. And how did the lady know to dig for a leather collar.....hmmm

Dharma had to be the ones to plant the plane but why? That also means they know the plane crashed on their island and didn't want people out looking for it so they cover up the whole thing.

As for Ben...gah...who knows! He did kill all the Dharma people but if he killed them all how would they know so much about him. Unless they are after him for something he did on one of his trips back as they have a picture of him in a office type setting. Maybe he recruited the wrong person and they followed him back and found out something happened to all their people?

So many questions...so few episodes...the writers strike must end!!!

[Jedi Master Carr]

I thought the Dharma people all got murdered on the Island - so why would they plant a false plane? (sidetrack - Parkman is dead? Nuuuu! :p) And could the Others have done it? The Others had been going back and forth from the Island after all, in the Dharma submarine, pretending to be Dharma.

And the polar bear skellington in Tattooine, I mean, Tunsia... Its all very mysterious.

I liked the episode. :)

I don't think everybody who worked for Dharma are dead, just the ones on the island. I mean Hanso wasn't on the island so his people are out there. I think there are still people connected to Dharma and Hanso who are still out there. What do they want is beyond me.

[Rutabaga]

I just rewatched the beginning of the episode at ABC.com, and you're right, Carr, it was Indonesia, not Sri Lanka (although Sri Lanka was on the map). Although Indonesia is not nearly as far to the east as Sri Lanka is, it's still way off course...it will be interesting to see if there's any sign of Oceanic trying to come up with an explanation for that.

I love Ben. He's so deliciously evil, he's one of the best villains on a weekly TV show I've ever seen. :thumbup

BTW, I heard on the way home from work that the writers' guild will be voting on a contract offer tomorrow evening. The strike may be over soon!!!! :dance

[Jedi Master Carr]

I just rewatched the beginning of the episode at ABC.com, and you're right, Carr, it was Indonesia, not Sri Lanka (although Sri Lanka was on the map). Although Indonesia is not nearly as far to the east as Sri Lanka is, it's still way off course...it will be interesting to see if there's any sign of Oceanic trying to come up with an explanation for that.

I love Ben. He's so deliciously evil, he's one of the best villains on a weekly TV show I've ever seen. :thumbup

BTW, I heard on the way home from work that the writers' guild will be voting on a contract offer tomorrow evening. The strike may be over soon!!!! :dance

Yeah I heard that news as well. It might be over by Monday. I think this means good news for some shows, although they will probably only get 5-7 episodes done per show. Not sure about Heroes though since I don't think that is enough to do a good story arc and 24 is screwed. They might be able to get the 8 episodes of Lost finished though if they push the episodes in June.

[Yog]

Details on the current negotiations. Sounds very promising:
http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2008/02/writers-and-pro.html

[Jedi Master Carr]

Well its almost a done deal, just has to be ratified by the union. They could be back to work on Monday.

[Rutabaga]

Still waiting to hear officially on whether the strike is over or not, but everything sure sounded hopeful last night. From what I've heard, some shows might be able to squeeze out maybe 5 or so episodes before summer.

BTW, I've been meaning to post this since I discovered it last week at The Lost Diary...did everybody here catch who was sitting in the rocking chair in Jacob's cabin when Hurley looked through the window?

Jack's dad! So what does this all mean, hm?

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb164/Rutabaga64/jackdad.jpg

[Jedi Master Carr]

Still waiting to hear officially on whether the strike is over or not, but everything sure sounded hopeful last night. From what I've heard, some shows might be able to squeeze out maybe 5 or so episodes before summer.

BTW, I've been meaning to post this since I discovered it last week at The Lost Diary...did everybody here catch who was sitting in the rocking chair in Jacob's cabin when Hurley looked through the window?

Jack's dad! So what does this all mean, hm?

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb164/Rutabaga64/jackdad.jpg

I saw that not sure if that is him or just a hallucination. About the episodes I think it depends if studios decide to push the season into June. There is some talk as way to give something to Tv watchers they might do that. If they do that they could have anywhere from 8-10 episodes of shows. I think ABC will do that with Lost at the very least just to finish off the season. Lost only got 16 episodes this year. I think they can show 2-3 episodes in june and still get great ratings.

[jjwr]

Did Hugo ever see Jacks dad when he was alive? I don't think so it would be rather odd if he halucinated and saw him in the cabin.

Its also not Locke who popped up had his eye looking at Hugo, in the last episode when they were going through the jungle Locke said he had to go to the Cabin and Hugo stopped and said it was the other direction and that shocked Locke. If that had been Locke's eye he would have known Hugo was there but he didn't so who was it?

[Jedi Master Carr]

Wow great episode the twist is mind blowing. So Sayid is working for Ben in the future?? It looks like Ben is holding something over his head keeping him working for him to keep his friends alive (back on the island maybe?). It is too bad we have to wait to find out how we reached this point. Still Ben is so evil. He reminds me so much of Palpatine.

[Rutabaga]

I didn't think it was the strongest episode ever, but ever the weak episodes of Lost always hit us with a final 30-60 seconds that make you go HHHMMMM!!! :eek

Look at the info we got in the final minute:

- Ben makes it off the island
- Ben has turned Sayid into a hitman
- There's some kind of list (shades of Heroes ;)), people that Ben is after for some reason...Abaddon and the people behind the "rescue mission"? Dharma people?
- At some point, Sayid is going to make a decision with his heart instead of his head that is going to have devastating consequences

Wow. :)

And yup, Ben is definitely Palpatine-esque. He has the same ability Palpatine had to read people's weaknesses and exploit them. I know I'm repeating myself, but I think he's one of the greatest TV villains ever. Michael Emerson deserves a truckload of awards for the work he's doing.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I know he is a heck of a villain. I don't think they will kill him until the final episode. Also did you catch the whole experiment that physicist was doing? It looks like the island is 31 minutes off or something. It looks like to me the island is in some kind of Temporal vortex.

[Rutabaga]

I watched the "enhanced" version of last week's episode and laughed when they said the scene of Sayid and company being duped by Hurley being tied up in the closet was a homage to TESB and what happened on Cloud City. I thought that was pretty cute.

Last night's new episode was kind of "eh" for me, since I've never been a huge Kate fan. And I figured out the twist of who Kate's "son" is a few minutes before it was revealed. Once I realized that the "Sawyer knocked up Kate" thing was a major red herring, it became fairly obvious. I presume that makes Aaron the 5th member of the Oceanic 6, leaving us with just one more person whose identity we don't know yet.

And I'm sorry, but was I the only one who was nearly laughing when Jack was testifying on the stand about what a hero Kate had been? To me it was so obviously a lie, I don't think any jury would have bought it :lol.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I dont' think Aaron counts as the 5th member - he wasn't on the manifest because he wasn't born yet. The Oceanic 6's story is apparently that only 8 people survived the crash, two of the 8 died on the island leaving the 6, and Aaron is Kate's son, born on the island.

I figured it out also, right before the reveal. I can't figure out why its so important to Kate that Jack want to see Aaron and her together, though. Perhaps some tragedy with Claire that Jack doesn't want to remember?? Dun dun dunnnnn!

[Rutabaga]

They might still consider Aaron as one of the Oceanic 6 if they were able to convince people that Kate was pregnant with him at the time of the crash...dunno. And here's something else I forgot about...will Jack ever find out that Claire is his sister? Hm!

[Jedi Master Carr]

I liked it overall and I figured out the twist the same time as you did. The best parts of the episode were involving Locke and Ben (man Locke is twisted putting that Grenade in Miles mouth was awful), and then the bit with Jack and finding out about the helicopter . What happened to the helicopter? And next week's Desmond's themed episode looks really freaky.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I loved the new episode it was great, of course I am a big Desmond fan. I love the ending with him talking to Penny that was so sad and sweet.

[Rutabaga]

I think the moment of Desmond reaching Penny on the phone was one of the top highlights of Lost overall since the very beginning. It was truly touching and beautiful.

I liked the episode a lot too, also because I really really like Desmond. The stuff with him and Faraday in the past was great, and I liked the final moment of Faraday finding the note to himself in his journal.

BTW, I've been meaning to post my speculation on who Ben's man on the boat is, especially since it was brought up last night that there seems to be someone on the boat who is sympathetic to the survivors' plight. I really don't know if I need to spoilerize this, but I'm going to anyways, just in case--I think it's Michael, for 2 reasons...first, we were told even before the 4th season began that Michael would be back, and second, Harold Perrineau's name has been in the opening credits since the 4th season premiered. To me, it seems almost obvious. I'm just waiting to see how long it is before all is revealed :).

[Jedi Master Carr]

I think the moment of Desmond reaching Penny on the phone was one of the top highlights of Lost overall since the very beginning. It was truly touching and beautiful.

I liked the episode a lot too, also because I really really like Desmond. The stuff with him and Faraday in the past was great, and I liked the final moment of Faraday finding the note to himself in his journal.

BTW, I've been meaning to post my speculation on who Ben's man on the boat is, especially since it was brought up last night that there seems to be someone on the boat who is sympathetic to the survivors' plight. I really don't know if I need to spoilerize this, but I'm going to anyways, just in case--I think it's Michael, for 2 reasons...first, we were told even before the 4th season began that Michael would be back, and second, Harold Perrineau's name has been in the opening credits since the 4th season premiered. To me, it seems almost obvious. I'm just waiting to see how long it is before all is revealed :).

I loved the moment between Desmond and Penny on the phone that was very touching and beautiful. It almost made me cry. One of the greatest moments on the show too. I loved the moment with Farday and Desmond in the past. I don't know if it was on purpose but the scene reminded me of Back to the Future when Marty was trying to convince 1955 Doc Brown he was from the future. About the boat I have been thinking it has been Michael for a while too.

Another thing did you see Penny's Dad by that book that was owned by Hanso? It was about some island in the Pacific makes you wonder if is The Island. I have for a while believed that Penny's dad is involved in this, especially since Penny knows about the Island and knows about the ship and was trying to contact it. I think he is either behind the people on the boat or is involved with Dharma, who knows he could have been the Economist.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Great episode, man is Ben just evil. The scene where he told Juliet you are mine just gave me chills. Locke has become a fool how could he let him out after all he has done? Finally, looks like I was right about Penny's dad.

[Rutabaga]

There were some definite classic moments in last night's episode...Locke handing Ben the money to start his $3.2 million fund :lol, telling Juliet "you're mine," and for cryin' out loud, the final line about "see you at dinner!" :lol

I really liked the episode because I like Juliet a lot...we still needed to see more of her history, and what we saw last night was really interesting. And some of those "Jaters" out there will not like what I'm about to say, but Juliet is a much better match for Jack than Kate is.

And it was great finding out that Penny's dad really is the major force behind this "rescue" attempt...it explains a lot about why Penny is so involved although a lot of the involvement is without her knowledge.

I also have to figure that the Lost producers must be pretty peeved with ABC right now, because my understanding is that it's ABC that puts together the episode previews, not the producers...and the preview for next week's episode basically blew the "surprise" about who Ben's man on the freighter is. I think most of us had already figured it out a while ago, but for the handful who still weren't sure, I don't think there's any doubt left now. :rolleyes

[Jedi Master Carr]

Well I think the surprise has been blown because Michael's name has been on the cast list since the first episode of season 4. That only happened because of the actors agreement that as a full time cast member he has to show up on the credits . But yeah the preview pretty much confirms that. Still the episode looks awesome we get to find a couple more things as well. The two final members of the Oceanic Six. I am going to bet it will be Sun and Jin, unless they are counting Aaron as one of the six and then I have no clue who the final one will be. I am basing that off more of the previews looks Sun themed. It also looks like Desmond is going to get some answers about the boat and Penny, probably learning her father is behind it.

[Rutabaga]

Yup, Harold Perrineau's name has been in the credits since episode 4.01, plus no one has been shy about saying that Michael would be back this season. We've gotten far enough along that I can't think of any other place where he could show up that would have as much impact as revealing himself as Ben's man on the freighter. I can't see any other possible answer to this question, so it will be anti-climactic for me. Still fun, but anti-climactic nonetheless.

Lost is the cover subject of the new TV Guide, and the magazine gave stars of the show a chance to ask some questions of Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof. Yunjin Kim asked the question about whether Aaron is considered to be one of the Oceanic 6, and they said they're not saying for sure yet. Lindelof said, "Who the actual six are is very much in play through the end of the [March 13] episode. We'll confirm or deny after that."

They also said that by the end of the year, we'll know who was in the coffin during Jack's flashforward. :dance

[Jedi Master Carr]

Yup, Harold Perrineau's name has been in the credits since episode 4.01, plus no one has been shy about saying that Michael would be back this season. We've gotten far enough along that I can't think of any other place where he could show up that would have as much impact as revealing himself as Ben's man on the freighter. I can't see any other possible answer to this question, so it will be anti-climactic for me. Still fun, but anti-climactic nonetheless.

Lost is the cover subject of the new TV Guide, and the magazine gave stars of the show a chance to ask some questions of Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof. Yunjin Kim asked the question about whether Aaron is considered to be one of the Oceanic 6, and they said they're not saying for sure yet. Lindelof said, "Who the actual six are is very much in play through the end of the [March 13] episode. We'll confirm or deny after that."

They also said that by the end of the year, we'll know who was in the coffin during Jack's flashforward. :dance

I've changed theories on that persons several times. I don't think it is one of the Oceanic six because the obit was like back page news. Somebody like that dying would be front page and Jack would have saw it on the news. I have been thinking Ben, but now I don't see them killing him like that. My money is on Michael because if he is the man on the boat then he could very well have another name. I can see no one liking him and him being hated by all. Not sure why Jack would want to pay his respect but maybe that will be revealed. The only other possibility is the person being one of the rescuers, I could see that though would that be that big of a shock?

[jjwr]

At the end of the episode didn't they say they were going to reveal the last member of the Oceanic 6? That implies that Aaron is the 5th.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Yeah they've basically said Aaron is the 5th, but that doesn't make any sense to me, unless because of the weird time/space thing that distorts around the island (that made Walt "taller" and older? Well, that'll teach them for casting a 13 yr old as a ten year old in a real time multi-year series that spans about four months TV time :mneh) has made Aaron seem too old to have been born since the crash took place. So Kate says he's one of the crash survivors, not an after the fact birth. Or who knows. Perhaps everyone knows he's not really her son and that he's adopted! Another flash-forward please! :D

Ben did tell Michael to follow the coordinates out to where there would be a boat that would pick them up, didn't he? I need to watch that episode where Michael and Walt leave the Island again. I don't see how Michael would be working for Ben, that just doesn't make any sense to me either.

[Jedi Master Carr]

There is another possibility that we will find out two survivors in one episode. The only explanation about Michael I can think of is Ben took Walt again.

[Rutabaga]

Ah, crap, not Jin! :cry

At first I thought maybe the "flashforwards" were a signal that you couldn't count Aaron as one of the Oceanic 6. Then as time went on, I started to get the uneasy feeling that we were watching a flashback/flashforward combo, and that only Sun had made it off the island. Finally, when Jin said something to the effect that Sun would never lose him, I knew that sealed the deal.

So, if you do count Aaron, we have our 6 survivors. I'm glad Sun is one of them, because of the baby. And apparently she is able to make it off the island with Jin's body (unless he died after they left the island?), based on the final scene. Which raises a few more questions in and of itself. All I know is, I think there's going to be some rough stuff to watch as the show winds moves forward, knowing that characters we have grown to like are going to go down in flames.

The preview for next week said someone is going to die, so I wonder who that is? I have this feeling it won't be one of the survivors just yet...I have this weird feeling about Lapidus not lasting too much longer.

Oh, and the award for the most underwhelming revealing moment in the series goes to the Michael moment :lol. Although this season has been pretty darn good so far, they might have been better off playing that card a little sooner. I highly doubt that there were too many people out there who were shocked by it.

[Jedi Master Carr]

About Jin, around Lost boards they are saying his date is the date of the crash. Now that is weird because it means he didn't make it back but it is assumed dead from the crash. So, is it possible he is still alive on the island? I don't think it is certain but it makes you wonder.

[Rutabaga]

I saw somewhere else that the date of death is 9/22/04 on the headstone, which is the date of the crash. I honestly didn't catch it, outside of the Korean characters, all I managed to see was the date "1980." This might mean that Jin is still alive on the island and there's actually no body in the grave...one of my co-workers speculated that perhaps to get the Oceanic 6 off the island, they had to agree to never ever reveal the truth and any information about the island. And if so, this might be part of that charade...dunno. It just keeps getting more and more curious.

And I want the answer to the captain's question about where you get 320-some bodies to stick in a staged crash scene. Enquiring minds definitely want to know. ;)

[Jedi Master Carr]

I saw somewhere else that the date of death is 9/22/04 on the headstone, which is the date of the crash. I honestly didn't catch it, outside of the Korean characters, all I managed to see was the date "1980." This might mean that Jin is still alive on the island and there's actually no body in the grave...one of my co-workers speculated that perhaps to get the Oceanic 6 off the island, they had to agree to never ever reveal the truth and any information about the island. And if so, this might be part of that charade...dunno. It just keeps getting more and more curious.

And I want the answer to the captain's question about where you get 320-some bodies to stick in a staged crash scene. Enquiring minds definitely want to know. ;)

LOL well Ben has already proven he will stoop to Mass murder so nothing would surprise me with that man.

[Jedi Master Carr]

What an episode. Is Rouseau dead? Ben is so evil, yeah right he wouldn't kill innocent people. I say Karl is pretty innocent. I am certain that he is behind that.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Either the Others at the "temple" shot them, or the guys with guns from the freighter were flown over to the island by the helicopter guy on that 'mission' he did after he dropped off Sayid and Desmond. Guess we have to wait until April 24th to find out.:grumble I better not be in labor!!!! :lol

[Rutabaga]

To me, last night's episode felt like filler...it was okay and gave us needed info, but ultimately it didn't move the story along all that much.

Two things really got my attention, though. First, the way Sayid hauled Michael off to the captain and blew Michael's cover...the repercussions from that are going to be enormous.

And they appear to have killed off Rousseau. I am not happy :shakefist.

[Jedi Master Carr]

She could still be alive, also I am pretty certain that was the people from the Temple. I don't think those guys got their from the boat got there because they were still there in the beginning of the episode. The pilot went out on his own for something we don't know yet. I just believe Ben is behind those attacks the man is an evil manipulator who is willing to kill anybody to get what he wants.

[Rutabaga]

My co-worker has the theory that Ben manipulated the attack on Karl and Rousseau just as he sent Goodwin off to his death over Juliet, because Alex is "his." I think that's a very sound theory. :thumbup

[Jedi Master Carr]

My co-worker has the theory that Ben manipulated the attack on Karl and Rousseau just as he sent Goodwin off to his death over Juliet, because Alex is "his." I think that's a very sound theory. :thumbup

I like that theory.

[Rutabaga]

To help you get through the strike-induced mini-hiatus, here are some goodies for your enjoyment, thanks to a fellow Lost-loving friend at MySpace.

It's obvious that these guys don't like Hurley very much. :lol

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[Darth McBain]

LOL --- Those were fun...

[Jedi Master Carr]

Heh those were great.

[Sorsha Kasajian]

sooner or later I'll get season three. :p

[Jedi Master Carr]

Poor Alex, I am thinking Rouseau is probably dead now because I don't see what purpose her character has anymore. Ben is still evil, I think him and Whidmore have been at war for years and they have done just about anything to win (although I think Whidmore up it with killing Alex). Now Ben wants to kill Penny, although I think Desmond might have something to say about that.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

:( Alex :cry

[Jedi Master Carr]

:( Alex :cry

I know I felt bad for her too, didn't feel that bad for Ben but I have little sympathy for that man.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

The last thing she heard was her dad saying he didn't care about her. That is tragic.

[Jedi Master Carr]

The last thing she heard was her dad saying he didn't care about her. That is tragic.

I agree that is awful.

[Rutabaga]

I was thoroughly shocked that Alex ended up being killed. I literally gasped when it happened.

I actually did have sympathy for Ben during that whole sequence, especially when he said goodbye to her. Ben only gave a rat's patootie about one other person on that island besides himself, and it was Alex. That's why he said what he said about not caring about her...to me, it seemed as if he was saying that in an attempt to save her life. The extreme tragedy about it is that it didn't work and that it was the last thing Alex heard before she was killed.

The whole episode was full of tragedy...what a horrible thing it was to realize that Sayid finally found Nadia and married her, only to have her killed by Widmore. And I'm glad we got to see how he ended up working for Ben in the future.

And jeepers, Ben can control Smokey!

Overall, I thought it was an excellent episode, even with all the sadness. I just have a couple of questions, though:

How did Ben end up in Tunisia? I was left with the feeling he basically teleported there. The story he told Sayid about how he used Desmond's boat to leave the island had to have been a lie.

And how the BLEEP did Claire survive the destruction of her house with little more than a couple of scratches and bumps??? :eek

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Yeah, appearing in the desert in a snow parka seems odd to me. I figured he was teleported there as well.

And, I don't believe that Whitmore killed Nadia, I think its just Ben using Sayid. Time will tell, of course.

Claire... I think she was outside in back of the house. She was on grass when Sawyer picked her up. Other than that, if she was inside...? I couldn't believe she'd survived either until my brother pointed out that she was found outside the house.

Ben controlling Smokey is scary. ^_^; Seemed like a last ditch effort, and I do believe you're right about him actually caring about Alex and trying to save her life by saying he didn't care. Makes it doubly tragic. :cry

[Rutabaga]

I've read some speculation at another site that perhaps Ben manipulated Sayid by making it look like Widmore's man killed Nadia, and there is a great amount of validity to that theory. I wouldn't be surprised at all if that's what happened, especially after Ben's creepy little smile in response to Sayid asking, "Who's next?" But I also wouldn't be surprised if Widmore did have Nadia killed, as some sort of threat against Sayid to keep his mouth shut. I think it could easily go either way.

And if Ben hadn't cried when he said goodbye to Alex, I would have questioned if he did care about her at all. But the tears said it all, as did his comment to Sayid about grief turning to anger and how destructive that is, and also his threat to Widmore to kill Penny to even the score. I think it was a brilliant humanizing moment for Ben. He's still evil to the core, but he loved Alex, and that's hard to ignore.

I also assume that Rousseau is definitely dead. But if she isn't, it will be interesting to see her reaction when she finds out her daughter is dead, and it's Ben's fault.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I am with LD I think Ben just made Sayid think that Widmore had her killed. I don't know if he had her killed or if it is coincidence and he is just making it look like Widmore did it (I am thinking the latter right now). If Rousseau is still alive I am not sure who she would go after for her revenge.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

What makes you think she's still alive? I think she's dead. I'm sure those guys would have checked.

[Jedi Master Carr]

What makes you think she's still alive? I think she's dead. I'm sure those guys would have checked.

I am not sure if they had cared if she was dead or not. They only wanted Alex. She could be alive, but right now I doubt it.

[Rutabaga]

I believe Rousseau is dead and gone, unfortunately. Those guys are professional killing machines, plain and simple.

But...this is Lost, so anything could happen.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I believe Rousseau is dead and gone, unfortunately. Those guys are professional killing machines, plain and simple.

But...this is Lost, so anything could happen.

I thought Locke was dead when Ben shot him so it is possible she could still be a live. Worse case we see flashbacks involving her.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Ben left him though, and Locke was only gut shot. Of course, he did sort of miraculously heal, so who knows, you're right. :p

[jjwr]

Ben never really gave any solid proof that Whidmore's men killed her...I think Sayid just wants to believe and take his revenge.

Ben in Tunsia is strange, notice he asked what year it was? So something happened to make him lose track of time, some type of teleport would make the most sense.

Ben showing up in Widmore's room was very interesting, they've obviously been at this for a while as Ben said Whidmore went too far this time. Whidmore knows about the island as he says its his.

This season is getting better and better!

[Rutabaga]

So the Rousseau question is completely settled now. :\

I wasn't completely overwhelmed with this episode, partially because I'm just not a Kate fan and wasn't totally interested in the whole Kate and Jack thing. But all the "Jaters" out there are happy now, I guess. At least we now see the beginning of Jack's downward spiral, though, plus it seems to me that since he never called Aaron his nephew, he still has no idea that Claire is his sister.

For me, the most interesting moment was finding out that Charlotte speaks Korean! :lol

[Jedi Master Carr]

So the Rousseau question is completely settled now. :\

I wasn't completely overwhelmed with this episode, partially because I'm just not a Kate fan and wasn't totally interested in the whole Kate and Jack thing. But all the "Jaters" out there are happy now, I guess. At least we now see the beginning of Jack's downward spiral, though, plus it seems to me that since he never called Aaron his nephew, he still has no idea that Claire is his sister.

For me, the most interesting moment was finding out that Charlotte speaks Korean! :lol

Yeah Rousseau is dead, perhaps we will see her in flashbacks or something. The biggest thing in this episode is what happened to Claire.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

And that other people are seeing dead people.

And according to what I gleaned from the preview for this week's show: Jacob is another dead person, which explains? why we saw Jack's dead dad in Jacob's house!

Its getting weird.

[Jedi Master Carr]

And that other people are seeing dead people.

And according to what I gleaned from the preview for this week's show: Jacob is another dead person, which explains? why we saw Jack's dead dad in Jacob's house!

Its getting weird.

Jacob could be a lot of things dead, from another dimension, another time, or an alien.. I can't pick between them.

[Rutabaga]

Thursday's episode was excellent. I loved it. It had 3 gasp-worthy moments for me...when we were shown that Richard Alpert was the man looking through the window at baby John, when Abaddon was revealed as the orderly pushing John in the wheelchair, and when we were suddenly shown that Claire was in the cabin with Christian. Yikes! :eek Does this mean that Claire is dead? We know she doesn't get off the island, but do we now have the explanation for why? And the whole thing about Christian is freaking me out.

This episode also had one of the best quiet moments ever, the scene with Hurley and Ben sharing the candy bar. That was awesome. :lol

The next episode is the first part of the season finale...for some reason I guess the show isn't on on May 22nd, and then on May 29th, the final 2 hours of the finale air.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Thursday's episode was excellent. I loved it. It had 3 gasp-worthy moments for me...when we were shown that Richard Alpert was the man looking through the window at baby John, when Abaddon was revealed as the orderly pushing John in the wheelchair, and when we were suddenly shown that Claire was in the cabin with Christian. Yikes! :eek Does this mean that Claire is dead? We know she doesn't get off the island, but do we now have the explanation for why? And the whole thing about Christian is freaking me out.

This episode also had one of the best quiet moments ever, the scene with Hurley and Ben sharing the candy bar. That was awesome. :lol

The next episode is the first part of the season finale...for some reason I guess the show isn't on on May 22nd, and then on May 29th, the final 2 hours of the finale air.
I don't think Claire is dead, I think she is being forced to stay in that cabin for some reason. The question is did the island bring Christian back to life or is he a manifestation of the island.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Great set up episode for the two part finale. I loved two scenes, the first when Sun got her father, that was great. And then when Jack found out about Claire. I guess we now know why he wants to go back.

[Rutabaga]

Another great episode, I'm bummed we have to wait 2 weeks for the rest of the season finale. I also loved the scenes where Sun totally got revenge on her father, and when Jack found out about Claire...I'm glad we have some resolution to that question, and that he does know. It seems we also saw the first step toward Hurley going around the bend, with the odometer on his car, that was just so creepy. It was interesting to see that scene and find out that he was frightened of the car at first, since that was the car he was driving when he was arrested by the cops earlier in the season.

I'm just so concerned that we're going to lose Desmond and Jin in one fell swoop, after seeing all those explosives on the freighter. And it's going to be interesting to see how Sun and Aaron get back together with the rest of them and become part of the Oceanic Six.

It just makes me wonder what the final two seasons of the show are going to be like, because it seems like the island is going to become less and less the focus of the show. Will the flash forwards now become the present and scenes on the island will now become flashbacks? It's going to be interesting to see.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Another great episode, I'm bummed we have to wait 2 weeks for the rest of the season finale. I also loved the scenes where Sun totally got revenge on her father, and when Jack found out about Claire...I'm glad we have some resolution to that question, and that he does know. It seems we also saw the first step toward Hurley going around the bend, with the odometer on his car, that was just so creepy. It was interesting to see that scene and find out that he was frightened of the car at first, since that was the car he was driving when he was arrested by the cops earlier in the season.

I'm just so concerned that we're going to lose Desmond and Jin in one fell swoop, after seeing all those explosives on the freighter. And it's going to be interesting to see how Sun and Aaron get back together with the rest of them and become part of the Oceanic Six.

It just makes me wonder what the final two seasons of the show are going to be like, because it seems like the island is going to become less and less the focus of the show. Will the flash forwards now become the present and scenes on the island will now become flashbacks? It's going to be interesting to see.

I would be shocked if they killed Desmond off since his and Penny's storyline is so important to the show. I also think they will only kill one major character but am not sure who. I think it is between Michael and Jin right now. My bet is Michael sacrifices himself to save everyone else. That will redeem himself for what he did.

[Rutabaga]

That's what I'm figuring too, that Michael will get his ultimate redemption by sacrificing himself to save everyone else. That seems to be the only possible resolution to his story. It makes me wonder if there's any connection between that possible scenario and the funeral home scene in Jack's flashforward, although that scene appears to take place a significant amount of time after the Oceanic Six's return home, based on Aaron's age.

I don't want to see Desmond die without getting reunited with Penny. Sayid and Nadia's reunion was extremely touching, but boy, Desmond and Penny will blow the lid off of everything else. After all, the scene with them simply speaking to each other on the phone for the first time in years left me in desperate need of a tissue :cry. And I like Jin too, I don't want to see him die either.

And we still have to see how Ben got off the island, mustn't forget that ;).

BTW, I also meant to mention that as much as I dislike Kate, I still felt bad for her when there was no one to greet her at the airport. Sayid also didn't have anyone, but at least Hurley grabbed onto him and introduced him to his family, who greeted him warmly. Kate simply had no one, and I felt sad for her :(.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I guess we know what that device strapped to what-his-name's arm is - a remote detonator for that mountain of C4. My brother was watching with us and when they went into that room below decks he was like "its going to be a bomb..." and then we both just sort of dropped our mouths open at the sight of all that C4!!

I think Richard can travel through time. Why not? It makes as much sense as him being immortal, and fits with them 'moving the island' in a way. Something at the Orchid controls time and space, perhaps?

Sawyer going after Jack was great, I am loving the way his character is shaping up these past few episodes, with him being so protective of Claire and now Aaron, etc. Its as though he knows he likes his fellow survivors a lot more than he likes the freighter people so he's closing ranks, or something. :)

Sayid and Kate... I'm REALLY curious as to what they're going to be doing in the two hour finale in two weeks. And I loved seeing everyone when they first got of the island and hearing their 'story.'

Remember kids, Jesus Christ is not a weapon!

[Jedi Master Carr]

That's what I'm figuring too, that Michael will get his ultimate redemption by sacrificing himself to save everyone else. That seems to be the only possible resolution to his story. It makes me wonder if there's any connection between that possible scenario and the funeral home scene in Jack's flashforward, although that scene appears to take place a significant amount of time after the Oceanic Six's return home, based on Aaron's age.

I don't want to see Desmond die without getting reunited with Penny. Sayid and Nadia's reunion was extremely touching, but boy, Desmond and Penny will blow the lid off of everything else. After all, the scene with them simply speaking to each other on the phone for the first time in years left me in desperate need of a tissue :cry. And I like Jin too, I don't want to see him die either.

And we still have to see how Ben got off the island, mustn't forget that ;).

BTW, I also meant to mention that as much as I dislike Kate, I still felt bad for her when there was no one to greet her at the airport. Sayid also didn't have anyone, but at least Hurley grabbed onto him and introduced him to his family, who greeted him warmly. Kate simply had no one, and I felt sad for her :(.
I am not sure who is in the coffin. I guess it could be Ben, can't think of anyone else off hand.

[Neeve Anya]

who greeted him warmly. Kate simply had no one, and I felt sad for her .I agree, that was a sad moment. Plus as it panned around her to illustrate that point you could see what looked like FBI agents in the background... that is who she had to greet.


what the final two seasons of the show are going to be likeI thought this was the final season- there are two more seasons to go? I hope so... I just do not see how they can wrap everything up in one more episode.

I really hope they do not kill off Sawyer- he is one of the best characters in my opinion.

Also, what do you think Charlie meant when he said to Hurley that the after-rescue portion is simply death? Do you believe this idea- and perhaps the island is purgatory or a place between life and death (where they still have the chance to live)? I hope not- that would be too simple even though it would explain a lot (why babies cannot be born if conceived on the island, diseases disappearing, seeing the dead, black smoke, etc). And Ben and Widmore (?) seem like the opposing good and evil - though which one is which is undetermined. Dharma would also follow along those lines... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharma

The temporal/space vortex seems like a nice idea as well, but would not really go with Charlie's warning to Hurley nor why people heal on the island. I can see why it would prevent new life to form though- perhaps some law in physics that would prevent that?

edit- actually it would explain healing to some degree, but not all. For instance why wounds heal faster- simply because time is not the same. And I guess it could heal the inability to walk/cancer by turning time backwards to some extent... but that is just speculation.

[Jedi Master Carr]

What a finale :eek Keep this covered for those in the west wow the whole first hour really built up the last part up to the Boat explosion. So Michael sacrificed himself for everyone. Then Jin is alive or dead? The moving the island part was so bizarre. I guess we see how he ends up in the desert. Don't know what happened to Faraday and those on the raft. The best moment in the episode was Penny and Desmond, I got emotional there. I was very worried when Jack revived him and very happy heh after he did. Of course the killer part was Locke being in the coffin. That was a major wth moment. I suspect Ben killed him so he could get back to the island but that is just my gut feeling right now. It is going to be a long nine months after that finale.

[Rutabaga]

Holy guacamole! What a finale!

I totally, totally give them credit for the revelation of who was in the coffin. I NEVER pictured that once, ever. I began to be convinced that it was Ben, and that Sun and Widmore had teamed up to finally have him killed. So when we saw who it really was...wow. :eek

And did the rest of you shout "PENNY!!!" like I did when she appeared on the deck of the ship? :love

I can see that the show is going to be taking a completely different direction in the 5th season. It's interesting to know that Ben is trying to get back as well, especially since he said that the person who moved the island could never go back.

And I'm going to hold out hopes that Jin isn't dead.

[Vigilante]

(is LD)

The episode was FANTASTIC it was all I wanted and more. When they said that the guy inthe coffin's name was Jeremy I was like "Oh, so its someone we haven't met yet" and then one of them let slip later that Jeremy wasn't his real name so then we were back to square one with guessing who it was!

I, too, thought it might have been Ben. And I figured they'd give us a Hatch shot of the coffin there at the end (I joked with my hubby that we'd see a ladder and Jack would climb in :lol) and not have the person revealed, so it was VERY satisfying for it to be revealed!!

I think Michael and Jin may be dead... but still alive in the same sense that Christian Sheppard is 'alive' now. He did show up there in the hold at the last second... so who knows!? And what happened to Daniel and the others in the Zodiac!

I'm glad Sawyer made it to the island before they moved it, THAT would have sucked. :lol

[Jedi Master Carr]

I think Daniel was probably not far away from the island and got transported with the island, that is just my feeling but we shall see.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Ehh, he seemed pretty far out when they passed over him in the helicopter. I'll be interested to see how they resolve that IN FREAKIN' JANUARY :cry

[Rutabaga]

What a literal leap Sawyer's character has taken...only a little more than 3 months have passed on the island, and in that time he's gone from being a selfish jerk to doing one of the most selfless things a man could do.

Loved what Christian said to Michael just before the freighter went boom..."You can go now, Michael."

I hope Daniel is okay and transported with the island, I've really really grown to like him.

And one of the best moments, outside of the Desmond/Penny reunion, was Sun's reaction when the freighter exploded. Very, very powerful emotionally.