Pennant Chase & Road to the World Series

[Doc Milo]

The Mets and Boston are now hearing footsteps...

The Mets have hit a tailspin and are playing the sloppiest baseball I've seen in a long while. Philly is only 1 1/2 games back as play started today (September 19, 2007)

The Yankees have overcome a horrendous start and find themselves only 2 1/2 games behind the Red Sox; this after the Sox had opened as much as a 14 game lead in the division. The Yankees are 4.5 up in the Wild Card over Detroit. Talk about a tale of two seasons...

Will Boston and the Mets hold on to win their divisions or will the Yanks and Phils catch up?

The Yankees have 11 games to play: 1 at home against Baltimore, 4 at home against Toronto, 3 on the road against Tampa Bay, and 3 on the road against Baltimore to end the season. The Red Sox have 10 games remaining: 1 against Toronto on the road; 3 against Tampa Bay on the road; 2 against Oakland at home, and 4 against Minnesota at home to end the season.

The Yankees hold a 4.5 game lead in the Wild Card. The loser of the division race will most likely be the AL Wild Card as a "fall back" position, unless Detroit comes on strong and the Yanks and/or Boston go into a wild tailspin...

The Mets have 12 games to play: 1 against Washington on the road; 4 against Florida on the road; 3 against Washington at home; 1 against St. Louis at home; and 3 against Florida at home. The Phillies have 11 games to play: 1 against St. Louis on the road; 4 against Washington on the road; 3 against Atlanta at home; 3 against Washington at home.

Who has the better schedule among these two teams?

Philiadelphia is 1.5 games behind the San Diego Padres for the NL Wild Card. That means that San Diego currently has the same record as the Mets at the leader of the Wild Card and means that whoever loses the division in the NL East may or may not end up being the Wild Card. More seems at stake in the NL East than the AL East with no consolation prize guaranteed even if both teams play well. One could very well be in, the other out.

The only other races that bear commenting on are in the NL Central and the NL West. The Chicago Cubs and the Milwaukee Brewers stand tied in the NL Central, both 5 games out in the Wild Card. In that division, it is definitely all or nothing.

In the NL West, the Arizona Diamondbacks hold a 1 game lead on the San Diego Padres. With Philly only 1.5 behind SD for the Wild Card, and the Mets tied with SD in record, but in first place in the NL East. Of these four teams, only two will make the playoffs.

[CMJ]

The Red Sox are gonna miss the freaking playoffs at this rate. I wanna puke.

I really don't know what to make of the playoffs. No one team seems to have all the pieces to me. I guess the Yankees are the closest thing out there, but I still question the pen before Rivera(even with the Chamberlin kid...he can only pitch so many innings and every other day).

No one jumps out in the NL, but neither did the Cardinals last year and they beat everyone's brains in.

[JMK]

I don't care what ANYONE says. If you have a 15 game lead, and you blow it, even if that lead peaked a couple months ago - YOU. SUCK. You do NOT deserve to even be in the post season. For the Sox to get swept by a Toronto team that had nothing to play for is downright pathetic. I can just hear the city of Boston about to go nuclear...

[CMJ]

I don't care what ANYONE says. If you have a 15 game lead, and you blow it, even if that lead peaked a couple months ago - YOU. SUCK. You do NOT deserve to even be in the post season. For the Sox to get swept by a Toronto team that had nothing to play for is downright pathetic. I can just hear the city of Boston about to go nuclear...

Then again the White Sox basically did the same thing 2 years ago before finding themselves in the last 5 days or so of the season. Then they blew everyone's doors off in the playoffs. You never can tell.

[JMK]

Well that's the only caveat. If they can pull it together over the next 8 games, then all will be forgiven, but I imagine talk in Boston is not very kind right now. They've let the Yankees back in by playing so poorly down the stretch...and I'm not taking anything away from the Yanks, they've been the best team in baseball since the All-Star break...but being spotted a 15 game lead should have been a cinch.

[Doc Milo]

The Sox are now only up by a 1.5 -- 1 game on the loss side.

I have to say that, as a Yankees fan, and after the start they go off to, I never dreamed I'd be watching a race for the division. I was just happy when they finally overtook the Wild Card lead. I think it would be ironic if the Yankees and Boston ended up tied for first, and the Yankees were given the divison on the head to head tie-breaker.

It could end up being a curse to win the division, however, depending upon what the Angels and Indians do. The Yankees do not match up well with the Angels. If the Angels end up with a worst record than Cleveland, and the Yankees win the East, then they would play a best of five against the Angels in the first round. I guess, right now, they have to do what they can to win, and worry about who they play later...

[Jedieb]

I was about to start a playoff thread but I see my fellow and wiser Yankees fan beat me to it. Nice work Doc. :thumbup

I've got the MLB package from DirecTV. I've watched more baseball this season than probably any season of my life, certainly more Yankees games. I've seen almost everyone one of their games this season. Right now, they're probably playing the best baseball in the American League. Since late July they've been the best team in baseball. But they're NOT a great team. There are no great teams this year, everybody has flaws. I don't have a clue what's going to happen this post season.

The Boston collapse, while humorous and satisfying, is a bit irrelevant right now. Cleveland made it so when they swept Detroit. What that sweep did was pretty much lock up the four AL playoff spots;
Angels
Cleveland
Boston
Yankees

The Yanks can't play Boston in the first round so all these last few games will determine is what team Boston and NY will face. I'd much rather play Cleveland and Boston to win the pennant than LA at any point in the playoffs. The Yanks have a winning record against both those teams and they actually swept the Indians this season 6-0. But LA scares the crap out of me.

And let's be honest, baseball fans, sports fans, and FOX are praying for a Boston/NY ALCS. This is the best rivalry in baseball and one of the best in all of sports. They'd be playing for the pennant for the 3rd time this decade. God bless the wild card for making this possible.

[CMJ]

The Indians and Angels have both been tough as nails as home. Wouldn't surprise me if that's the ALCS matchup.

[Jedieb]

The Angels and Yanks have the best home records in the AL. Boston has the best road record I believe.

[CMJ]

Magic number down to 7 after the Sox win and the Yankees loss. I still would give New York the edge to take the division, but this was a huge help. We'll see if our bleeding has stopped or if it was just Josh being Josh.

[Jedieb]

Tigers lost today and the Yankees won a wild one against Toronto so their magic number is now down to 3. So in a couple of days all the 4 AL teams will be playing for is the slight HF advantage that you get in the MLB post season. I expect to see a lot of sloppy baseball next week as those 4 teams start getting their rotations set and start resting some banged up players. I may actually pay attention to the NL next week. I'd love to see the Cubs outlast the Brewers and make it to the post season. Playoff games at Wrigley are as awesome as they are rare.

[Darth Fernal]

The Sox and Yanks are safe, IMO. The Mets should be worried.

[Jedieb]

The Red Sox have become the first AL team to clinch a playoff spot. If I were Theo I wouldn't care about wins or losses now. He has to worry about Manny, Gagne, and his Japanese reliever.

[Jedieb]

Clinched
Boston
LA
Cleveland

The Yanks lost today, but so did the Tigers. NY's magic number is now down to 1. While in the ignored NL...

Mets
Phillies -2.5

Cubs
Brewers -3.5

Arizona
Padres -2.5
Colorado -4

NL Wild Card
Padres
Phillies -0.5
Colorado -1.5
Atlanta -3.5
LA -5.5
Brewers -6

Basically, either the Brewers or the Cubs are going home. One of the losers of the other two division races will be the WC.

Atlanta probably

[CMJ]

Atlanta???

[Jedi Master Carr]

Atlanta is going to have a tough time making the post season. I would put it between the Phillies and Rockies right now, unless the Mets fall apart. I am not having a good feeling about Boston in the playoffs. I know everybody wants NY-Boston but I see it being Cleveland and Anaheim, if that happens I hope the Cubs make it to the WS that would be the best possible scenerio, maybe the Cubs-Indians both teams have the two longest streaks left.

[Jedieb]

Atlanta???

I honestly don't remember typing that last bit about Atlanta. If anything they've got less of a chance than any of the contenders. It's got to come down to the top 2 WC contenders; Phillies or Padres. It was late and I was trying not to wake the wife while I was typing, maybe that explains it...

[Jedi Master Carr]

heh I understand :) Oh Boston's Magic Number is now 2. I think they will split the Twins series at worse. The Yankees need almost a miracle now. Of course the HF race is going to be close. The National League though is a mess. Nobody has clinched a playoff spot yet. To me that is amazing.

[CMJ]

It is kind of amazing...but I love the fact that it's still so up in the air in the NL.

[Doc Milo]

Well, the Mets lost and the Phillies won, leaving them tied for the Division with three games left to go. Mets fans everywhere are walking around in a daze, like they've been sucker-punched in a bar fight. I don't think the Mets will pull this one out. I think the collapse will be complete with a three game sweep by the Marlins this weekend. The Mets players don' look like they want it anymore. They're playing without any passion, like all they want to do is go home and rest.

Interestingly, as it stands now, the Padres have a better record that both the Mets and Phillies; so, whoever loses the division, all things being equal, will be out of the playoffs all together.

Now, if I remember correctly, because of the tie-breaker rules, (correct me if this has changed, please) the Padres only have to finish with the same record as both the Phillies and Mets to be considered the Wild Card (assuming no one else finishes ahead of them in the WC standings.) This is because, with all three teams having the same record, the Mets and Phillies would have to play a one game "play-in" game to determine the division winner; this game is considered a regular season game, and thus the loser of that game will have more losses than the Padres, giving the Padres a 1/2 game lead and the win of the Wild Card. I remember this is how it worked years ago. I don't know if the same rules hold water. Does anyone know the intricacies of the tie-breaker rules? Will the division be decided by a head to head record, and the Wild Card by a one game play-in game?

That being said, these are my picks as it stands:

Boston v. Angels --> Boston wins
Yankees v. Indians --> Yankees win


Arizona vs. Cubs --> Arizona wins
Phillies v Rockies --> Phillies win.

Yankees vs. Red Sox --> Yankees win
Phillies vs. Arizona --> Phillies win

World Series:
Yankees vs. Phillies --> Yankees win...

[Jedi Master Carr]

Of course I expect those picks from a Yankees fan :p If I had to pick I would pick the Angels and Indians beating both the Yankees and Sox. The Indians are playing great right now. And their 1-2 man rotation is going to be tough in a 5 game series. Since they get HF they get the option of getting an extra off day (some kind of new rule they get for the American League getting HF). The will shorten the series by pitching their best two pitchers (and maybe the best two pitchers in baseball right now) 4 out of the five games. I think the Indians will win because of that crazy rule. I don't like how the Sox have been playing the last month and although the Angels are playing just as bad I have a feeling the Angels y will beat them.

As for the National League I don't think the Mets will get swept but I bet they don't win enough games to clinch. They really lucked out in getting two of the worse pitchers in the NL. I wouldn't be surprised to see a one game playoff betwen them. Also don't rule out the Rockies or Padres from winning the NL West. The Rockies will play the Diamonbacks tough at home and could sweep them right out of the playoffs. What I am hoping for is the Rockies, Padres, Phillies and Mets all get tied on the last day and then we get the mother of all playoffs.

[Doc Milo]

Of course I expect those picks from a Yankees fan :p If I had to pick I would pick the Angels and Indians beating both the Yankees and Sox. The Indians are playing great right now. And their 1-2 man rotation is going to be tough in a 5 game series. Since they get HF they get the option of getting an extra off day (some kind of new rule they get for the American League getting HF). The will shorten the series by pitching their best two pitchers (and maybe the best two pitchers in baseball right now) 4 out of the five games. I think the Indians will win because of that crazy rule. I don't like how the Sox have been playing the last month and although the Angels are playing just as bad I have a feeling the Angels y will beat them.

As for the National League I don't think the Mets will get swept but I bet they don't win enough games to clinch. They really lucked out in getting two of the worse pitchers in the NL. I wouldn't be surprised to see a one game playoff betwen them. Also don't rule out the Rockies or Padres from winning the NL West. The Rockies will play the Diamonbacks tough at home and could sweep them right out of the playoffs. What I am hoping for is the Rockies, Padres, Phillies and Mets all get tied on the last day and then we get the mother of all playoffs.

What is the actual tie-breaker rule? I know there won't be a round robin tournament in that scenario. I think the divisions in that case would be decided by head to head records (if even, then division record) and the wild card would be decided by a one game playoff.

I'm going to see if I can find something on the internet on tiebreakers.

How, exactly does that HF advantage work with an extra day off? If the Indians have an extra day, doesn't that mean that the team they play will also have an extra day?

BTW -- the Mets are losing right now, 7-4 in the seventh. The Phillies are up 6-0.

[CMJ]

Red Sox Division Champs. I know we won the ALCS, and the WS in '04- but this has been missing for a long time. Feels good.

Cubs also clinched the NL Central tonight.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Of course I expect those picks from a Yankees fan :p If I had to pick I would pick the Angels and Indians beating both the Yankees and Sox. The Indians are playing great right now. And their 1-2 man rotation is going to be tough in a 5 game series. Since they get HF they get the option of getting an extra off day (some kind of new rule they get for the American League getting HF). The will shorten the series by pitching their best two pitchers (and maybe the best two pitchers in baseball right now) 4 out of the five games. I think the Indians will win because of that crazy rule. I don't like how the Sox have been playing the last month and although the Angels are playing just as bad I have a feeling the Angels y will beat them.

As for the National League I don't think the Mets will get swept but I bet they don't win enough games to clinch. They really lucked out in getting two of the worse pitchers in the NL. I wouldn't be surprised to see a one game playoff betwen them. Also don't rule out the Rockies or Padres from winning the NL West. The Rockies will play the Diamonbacks tough at home and could sweep them right out of the playoffs. What I am hoping for is the Rockies, Padres, Phillies and Mets all get tied on the last day and then we get the mother of all playoffs.

What is the actual tie-breaker rule? I know there won't be a round robin tournament in that scenario. I think the divisions in that case would be decided by head to head records (if even, then division record) and the wild card would be decided by a one game playoff.

I'm going to see if I can find something on the internet on tiebreakers.

How, exactly does that HF advantage work with an extra day off? If the Indians have an extra day, doesn't that mean that the team they play will also have an extra day?

BTW -- the Mets are losing right now, 7-4 in the seventh. The Phillies are up 6-0.


Yeah I am not sure the exact wording of the rule, I heard this on Baseball Tonight last week. They said Boston would probably not want it and rather go with their 4 man rotation but Cleveland would rather have their top 2 staters go 2 games each. I think it would help Cleveland the most because of that. I don't think the Yankees have two starters like Cleveland does. I do think it is a crazy rule.
On to Baseball, I am glad the Cubs and Red Sox both clinched. It looks my tie breacher hope is out the window with Colorado losing.

[Figrin D'an]

As much as I hope the Cubs can get things together (it seems like both they and Milwaukee were trying to see who could back into the playoffs in worse fashion), I'm not very optimistic about their post-season chances. Being honest, I'm not much of a fan of Lou Pinella, and it has made it difficult for me to really get excited about this season.

I guess we'll see what happens.

[Doc Milo]

The Mets destiny is now out of their hands. That is unbelievable. This team should have coasted to the playoffs.

The Mets hopes now lie in Philly losing two straight if they can somehow learn how to win two straight. Barring that, their only hope at the Wild Card is to tie.

The Mets were in first place for 135 straight games. To find themselves a game back with two to play is basically unforgivable. This is not something I would be able to get over to quickly if I were a Mets fan.

As a Yankees fan, I lived through the greatest collapse in post season history. Yet, I would find that easier to get over than a Mets fan getting over this collapse by the Mets. The Yankees, with 26 World Championships pretty much can help absorb their collapse. The only sticking point was that it came at the hands of the archrival Red Sox, which made it a bit harder to accept. But, that said, it was absorbed. But the Mets have precious few post season appearences -- to blow this opportunity is like a poor man finding a rare jewel worth millions and losing it on the way to getting it appraised.

[JMK]

Happy trails to Willie Randolph if the Mets fail to make the post season and at least win the first round.

I'm sure he will land on his feet, but the disgrace of this embarassing collapse will stick to him for the rest of his career.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Well they are tied again. I think we will be seeing a 1 game playoff come Monday.

[Doc Milo]

If Philly and the Mets win tomorrow and the Padres Lose, then we'll have a situation where there will be a tie for the NL East and the NL Wild Card.

[Jedi Master Carr]

If Philly and the Mets win tomorrow and the Padres Lose, then we'll have a situation where there will be a tie for the NL East and the NL Wild Card.

Don't forget the Rockies in this. If that happens and the Rockies win tomorrow (they are winning 11-1 right now). They will be tied as well. That could be an interesting situation.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Tomorrow should be a huge day for baseball. Two playoff spots are on the line and four games are hugely important. I am still hoping for some playoff type games to end the season.

[Jedieb]

Today should be a lot of fun in the NL. The Mets probably played their best game of the season yesterday. Today it's Glavine againts Willis. That game starts at 1 and I think I'll be missing some NFL action to check in on that one a bit. Here are some playoff tiebreakers from MLB:
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070927&content_id=2234241&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

[Doc Milo]

Well, The Mets are losing 7-1. The Padres are winning 3-0. And the Phillies are winning 3-0. Arizona and Colorado start in 15 minutes.

So far, not looking good for the Mets or Rockies. SD wins, and the Rockies are out. Mets losing and Philly winning gives Phils the NL East.

Still early in the games.

But, for the Mets, it looks like it can get late quick.

[Doc Milo]

Florida 8
Mets 1

Philadelphia 6
Nationals 1

Phillies Win NL East.

Milwaukee now winning 9-4 against San Diego.

Colorado and Arizona scoreless in the sixth.

Here's a little parody I wrote for the Mets (sung to the Sound of Silence)


From the Mets fans to the Mets
Regarding your great collapse

Go and hide your heads in shame,
For causing us so much pain!

We believed!
That this was our year
We had no fear.

And now the sound of silence.

Oh now Mets what did you do?
We believed dreams could come true!

You opened a big lead
As you sat atop the league

And then . . .
it slowly dwindled down
We lost the crown

And now the sound of silence.

The Post Season's playing on
With you at home our hopes are gone

Once we talked about destiny
We thought we'd see a Series victory!

We believed!
And now our dreams are gone
It wasn't long
To hear the sounds of silence.

[Doc Milo]

San Diego lost 11-6
Colorado won 4-3

One game play off game tomorrow in Colorado to decide who is the NL Wild Card.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I am glad the Rockies won. They are a fun team to watch. I think they can win that game. Really I question the decision by the Padres manger to rest their best pitcher for the playoff. They should have said we win today and instead well just in case. That will be why the Padres won't be in the playoffs. And the Mets suck, to blow a seven game lead is a disgrace. I wonder if they will fire Randolph after that.

[Jedieb]

Doc, you're cruel!

I don't think Randolph is in any danger of losing his job. It's not just that it was a big lead, it's the way they lost. Losing game after game at home and blowing big lead after big lead. I think it's great that even with the wild card we still can get meaningful and tight races that still in doubt uptil the last day of the season.

[Doc Milo]

I'd be very surprised if Randolph lost his job. If this was the Yankees in Stienbrenner's hey-day, sure, tomorrow's headline would be about the firing of the manager. The Mets won't fire him over this type of collapse, though.

Why are the Mets where they are? Simple: It's their home record. They were only 41-40 at home this season. If you can't win at home, then you will have a hard time winning . . . period.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Long playoff game and the Rockies won in a heck of way. Although, I can't tell if Holiday touched the plate or not.

[JMK]

Makes up for that botched home run call!

[Jedi Master Carr]

Makes up for that botched home run call!

That is true, the Rockies should have won in regulation. I am glad they won because they are fun to watch. I am hoping the NLCS is the Rockies vs the Cubs.

[JMK]

I'd love to see a Cleveland/Cubs World Series. Or an Anaheim/Colorado series. Frankly I'm sick of the the Sox and Yanks...specifically I'm sick of the "east coast bias" that ESPN spews all day & night. I'm just hoping that we get 2 fresh teams in the WS.

[CMJ]

I'm predicting Cleveland/Arizona.

Would love Sox/Cubs.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I am predicting Cleveland/Chicago. I would love to pick Red Sox but I think they get past the Angels and that is it.

[CMJ]

Rockies steal Game 1 in Philadelphia.

[CMJ]

Beckett pitches a four hit gem....

[Jedi Master Carr]

Beckett was amazing. I hope he pitches like that the rest of the playoffs. It reminded me of what he did in the playoffs back in 2003.

[CMJ]

The Rockies steal the second game too. I would NOT want to play them right now.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Man are the Rockies hot. I think they could just carry this on to the World Series with the way they are playing.

[CMJ]

Man are the Rockies hot. I think they could just carry this on to the World Series with the way they are playing.

Me too. Sort of getting a Marlins '03 vibe from them.

[JMK]

So they are now 16-1 in their last 17 games? That's just not right. Team of destiny?

Oh, and what a great at-bat by Posada with the bases loaded. Well done choker! I shouldn't laugh...I think the Yankees have a great record when they lose game 1 of the ALDS...

[Jedi Master Carr]

So they are now 16-1 in their last 17 games? That's just not right. Team of destiny?

Oh, and what a great at-bat by Posada with the bases loaded. Well done choker! I shouldn't laugh...I think the Yankees have a great record when they lose game 1 of the ALDS...

I am not sure what their record is. If they lose game two though I think they are history. 2-0 is tough to overcome. Also Cleveland is a very good ball club and have been playing great the last two months. That is why as a Red Sox fan I was glad Boston got the Angels. I knew the Indians would be tough in a short series.

[JMK]

I was referring to the Rockies being the team of destiny, then I broke in to the Yankees. I just hope that the Indians save some of this ball spanking for the rest of the series / postseason.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I was referring to the Rockies being the team of destiny, then I broke in to the Yankees. I just hope that the Indians save some of this ball spanking for the rest of the series / postseason.

Sorry, I understood you. I should have said I was refering to your Yankee argument. The good thing for the Indians is they have a very good pitcher on the mount tomorrow. Sabitha was just wild tonight, hopefully for Indians fans he pitches better than that the rest of the postseason.

[CMJ]

Cleveland comes thru in extra innings! :D

[Jedieb]

I
hate
life

[JMK]

I
hate
life

Well then stop liking the Yankees. You put yourself behind the 8-ball before you even get started. ;)

Seriously though what a friggin game. Amazing pitching on both sides, not a whole lot of defense needed, and it only took one knock to win the game. I was sure Hafner was going to strike out again, but Vizcaine grooved him one right down the middle. I hope that's not what Posada told him to throw.

The Yankees newsgroup is on fire right now. Chamberlain, Torre and A-Rod are about to get skewered. Speaking of A-Rod, I know he's a phenomenal ball player, but it's getting harder and harder to defend him. Another 2 or 3 k's tonight, is 0-7 this postseason. His numbers are just abyssmal. If the Yankees don't win this series, you've got to believe he's not going to stick around to face the wrath for too long.

[Figrin D'an]

This is too amusing to not post here.

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/yankees_decline_wild_card

[Jedi Master Carr]

I
hate
life

Well then stop liking the Yankees. You put yourself behind the 8-ball before you even get started. ;)

Seriously though what a friggin game. Amazing pitching on both sides, not a whole lot of defense needed, and it only took one knock to win the game. I was sure Hafner was going to strike out again, but Vizcaine grooved him one right down the middle. I hope that's not what Posada told him to throw.

The Yankees newsgroup is on fire right now. Chamberlain, Torre and A-Rod are about to get skewered. Speaking of A-Rod, I know he's a phenomenal ball player, but it's getting harder and harder to defend him. Another 2 or 3 k's tonight, is 0-7 this postseason. His numbers are just abyssmal. If the Yankees don't win this series, you've got to believe he's not going to stick around to face the wrath for too long.

I thought that too about A-Rod. He didn't come through when he need to in that game. I did wonder if the Indians were going to blow it with leaving all those baserunners on.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Manny really crushed that ball. The only thing that worries me is Dice K. He can be so erratic at times. One thing all of these series are now 2-0 and they all could be over real quick. I think the Rockies will sweep the Phillies tomorrow. I wouldn't be shocked to see the Cubs win though and stay alive. The Yankees and Angels are other matters. The Angels are very beat up and could get swept. I don't know what to expect from the Yankees.

[CMJ]

I don't think Manny's ball has landed yet.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I don't think Manny's ball has landed yet.

LOL I know.

[JMK]

So long Cubbies, we hardly knew ya...

[Jedi Master Carr]

Poor Cub fans I feel very sorry for them. Now how about those Rockies. They won again. I am rooting for them in the National League right now.

[jjwr]

Ditto, the Rockies are playing some great ball and are on a row.

Uh oh Torre!

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2007/news/story?id=3052904

[Jedieb]

I really think the Yankees will have to rally and win this series for Torre to keep his job. Ugh, I'm just sick. Pettite threw an amazing game. He obviously should have been our game 1 starter. I also would have had Giambi at DH instead of Matsui. The second guessing is never ending right now and part of the reason that Torre's job is on the line.

I love Clutch and the Red Sox have been nothing but so far. It seems like all of their big guys have delievered. Papi hit one out in Game 1 and Beckett was lights out. Manny hits a game winner that's still in orbit. Meanwhile, Wang suffered from shrinkage and A-Rod still doesn't haven't a hit and had a chance to win Friday's game but couldn't do what Manny did. Ugh.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Steinbrenner is a jerk. I hate his statement about the ump and the bugs. He is a moron the Indians played through it.

[JMK]

Steinbrenner is still the fat, spoiled, 8-year old child who is used to getting his own way, all the time. He's going to start his post-season tantrum soon.

I didn't actually look it up, but A-rod is 4 for his last 50 post season at-bats.

I honestly think I could put up those numbers, and I'd do it for a lot less money! He's seriously got a mental block for playoff batting now. It really is sad, because if he goes somewhere and succeeds in the playoffs, the rap will always be "Yeah, but he couldn't do it as a Yankee", which would be the height of arrogance.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Well we almost had 4 sweeps. The Red Sox just dominated the Angels. The Yankees extending that series at least hurts Cleveland having to use up their bullpen for the next one or worse messes up their rotation.

[Doc Milo]

Well we almost had 4 sweeps. The Red Sox just dominated the Angels. The Yankees extending that series at least hurts Cleveland having to use up their bullpen for the next one or worse messes up their rotation.

A short series is all about momentum -- so this next game is important for both teams right now.

The Indians should not want the situation of a game 5 regardless of who is pitiching for them, because it would mean an out and out momentum switch in favor of the Yankees. Of course, the Yankees have to win this game or be eliminated.

Even though Cleveland technically doesn't "have to win" tonight, if I was them, I would want to end it without going to game 5. It should be a great game.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I am not sure if it is a great idea to pitch Wang on 3 days rest, but I guess they have nothing in their rotation. I actually think this could be a high scoring game with him and Byrd pitching. If I was Cleveland I would rough up Wang early to get to that used up Yankee bullpen.

[JMK]

Poor Wang...he's going to get roasted AGAIN in NY, and I wonder how many will at least give him the benefit of the doubt since he is going on short rest...

[Doc Milo]

Poor Wang...he's going to get roasted AGAIN in NY, and I wonder how many will at least give him the benefit of the doubt since he is going on short rest...


He should have been better on short rest, being a sinkerball pitcher.

But he wasn't. Tribe up 4-0 in second and Mussina is now pitching. I missed when Wang was taken out.

[Jedieb]

Good bye Joe, I'll miss you.

[CMJ]

Yankees are out in four. :D

[Jedi Master Carr]

I am happy. I rather not go through the media of Boston-NY series. Boston-Cleveland should be fun. I am not looking forward to Cleveland's two aces. Although their 3 and 4 pitchers are very hitable.

[Doc Milo]

I'm now rooting for Colorado-Cleveland and thern Colorado for the WS -- but I have a sneaking suspicion it's going to be Boston all the way... just some more torture for Yankees fans....

[JMK]

Now that all is right with the world, I am fine with whoever wins the WS, but I would prefer not to see Arizona win it. I'll see plenty of reason to be happy is Cleveland, Boston or Colorado win it all.

[CMJ]

My preference.

Red Sox(my team)
Indians(Haven't won in almost 60 years)
Colorado(Never won a playoff series before this year)
Arizona(They won in 2001 and haven't been around that long as it is....tho I do have a connection to the team as my folks live in AZ)

But really, I'd be cool with anyone winning.

[Jedi Master Carr]

My preference.

Red Sox(my team)
Indians(Haven't won in almost 60 years)
Colorado(Never won a playoff series before this year)
Arizona(They won in 2001 and haven't been around that long as it is....tho I do have a connection to the team as my folks live in AZ)

But really, I'd be cool with anyone winning.

That is the way I feel and the order of my preference. Although, I rather not have Arizona just because they have won too recently compared to the Indians and Rockies. Now I am not using that justification against my Sox :)

[JMK]

I think the 3 of us concur on the order of preference. Great minds think alike. Too bad the old men are fans of the pinstripes. :)

[Jedieb]

Huh? What was that? Speak up!!!!!!!!!! :shootin

[CMJ]

NLCS starts tonight. I'm predicting the Diamondbacks in seven.

[JMK]

Agreed...better pitching will see them through.

And Eb, you know it, you just can't admit it yet. Being a Spankee fan lessens your quality of life.

[Morgan Evanar]

I'm so glad the Yankees are gone.

[Jedi Master Carr]

The Rockies are still hot. I think they can win this series.

[Parsideon Denix]

I'm so glad the Yankees are gone.

:dance If I cannot guarantee the good things in life, consolation involves misery for my enemies

[Doc Milo]

I think the 3 of us concur on the order of preference. Great minds think alike. Too bad the old men are fans of the pinstripes. :)

HEY I resemble that remark, sonny.

[CMJ]

Looking good so far....

[Jedi Master Carr]

Boston and Beckett have looked great so far.

[Jedi Master Carr]

The Red Sox got off to a good start.

[JMK]

Beckett is really earning himself the reputation of a great playoff pitcher. He was electric again last night.

[CMJ]

Total meltdown in the 11th.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Part of that was Gagne's fault. The Sox just ran out of people. Their best 4 relievers went out there and got the job done. Too bad Schilling pitched horrible. I think the Sox can win at least one of the first two games in Cleveland. Washburn is horrible and Byrd is very hittable.

[JMK]

The problem started with Schilling. He was awful last night.
But it's about time we get watch what looks like will be a long, entertaining series.

[Jedi Master Carr]

The problem started with Schilling. He was awful last night.
But it's about time we get watch what looks like will be a long, entertaining series.

It will go 6 for sure, might even go 7. The Rockies will probably be a well rested bunch, not sure if it helps them any.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Will the Rockies ever lose? The Rockies are one game away from the World Series.

[CMJ]

At the very least I expected a good series. Colorado is one maybe the most amazing run ever right now. What is it...20 of 21 now?

[JMK]

That's just insane. It already is one of the greatest runs in history. This will be one year that I'll be happy no matter who wins the WS. :)

[Jedi Master Carr]

At the very least I expected a good series. Colorado is one maybe the most amazing run ever right now. What is it...20 of 21 now?

Yeah The Orioles held the record for the end of season/playoffs. They went 18-1 the year they won the WS.

[CMJ]

Indians go up 2-1 in the series. Basically they're just much better at cashing in their opportunities than we are.

[CMJ]

I can't believe this 4th inning. The Rockies are unbeatable.

[CMJ]

The Diamondbacks didn't give up and made it interesting in the 8th and 9th. But these Rockies are just amazing. I almost DON'T want to beat Cleveland, cause I don't want these guys :lol

[Jedi Master Carr]

I don't think the Rockies can be beat. They will probably sweep the AL team as well.

[Ishan Shade]

I don't think the Rockies can be beat. They will probably sweep the AL team as well.

I've thought from the start of the post-season that the AL team would dominate the NL but MAN those Rockies are on fire.

[Jedieb]

The Indians are pounding the Sox right now, it's 6-0 and they're still hitting in the bottom of the 5th. If they hold on they'll be up 3-1 and on the verge of plowing through the AL East and the two biggest payrolls in baseball. The sooner this series is over the better for the Rockies. An 8 day layoff is just bizarre in baseball. If I were the Rockies I'd want to keep playing and playing and playing....

[CMJ]

Oh well....hope Cleveland can end their drought.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I still think the Rockies will win the WS. It will just be the Indians luck they were beaten last time by an expansion team for their first WS and the Braves got their first world Series in Atlanta against them.

[CMJ]

Torre turns down the Yankees! Good for Joe....I always liked him. They never appreciated him enough up there.

[Doc Milo]

Torre turns down the Yankees! Good for Joe....I always liked him. They never appreciated him enough up there.

He turned down a one year deal worth 5 million plus "substantial bonuses" for each round of playoffs he reached....

I didn't think he'd accept any deal. I had a feeling he wanted out after this season regardless -- having nothing to do with Steinbrenner's threats. I think he wanted to win the WS and leave on an up note; but I think he was planning on leaving after his contract expired regardless.

Now, who will replace him?

Mattingly?
Girardi?

I'd go with Girardi out of those two, even though Mattingly was my favorite player growing up.... I just trust ex-catchers as managers....

[Jedi Master Carr]

Torre turns down the Yankees! Good for Joe....I always liked him. They never appreciated him enough up there.

He turned down a one year deal worth 5 million plus "substantial bonuses" for each round of playoffs he reached....

I didn't think he'd accept any deal. I had a feeling he wanted out after this season regardless -- having nothing to do with Steinbrenner's threats. I think he wanted to win the WS and leave on an up note; but I think he was planning on leaving after his contract expired regardless.

Now, who will replace him?

Mattingly?
Girardi?

I'd go with Girardi out of those two, even though Mattingly was my favorite player growing up.... I just trust ex-catchers as managers....

Well the deal was 2.5 million dollar paycut. I think he should have declined it. That is a slap in the face, IMO. I am betting they hire Mattingly but I have nothing to back that up just pure speculation. I am sure Steinbrenner would love LaRussa but I don't see him leaving St. Louis.

[Jedi Master Carr]

At least Boston has Josh Beckett, although I would pull him this inning with a 6 run lead.

[Jedi Master Carr]

We get a game 6. Beckett just pitched huge tonight. He is one of the best big game pitchers around today. Hopefully, Schilling pitches great on Saturday night.

[CMJ]

What a HUGE effort by Beckett tonight. Dominating.

[Jedi Master Carr]

What a HUGE effort by Beckett tonight. Dominating.

He is such a big game pitcher. Really, I think Francona made a huge mistake in not pitching Beckett in game 4. If they can some how survive. I think Beckett should pitch 1, 4, and 7 because without him it is tough to win games.

[CMJ]

JD Drew initiated a huge offensive effort as the Sox win 12-2. We'll see ya tommorrow night! :D

[Jedi Master Carr]

There will be a Game 7. Man the bats exploded tonight starting with Drew. I hope Ellsbury stays in the lineup too. I like that kid. Have to see if Dice K can pitch better although you think Boston would finally get to Westbrook. I guess we will see what happens tomorrow.

[CMJ]

We win the AL Pennant!

[Jedi Master Carr]

It was a heck of a game. The game was really close until Boston just exploded for 6 runs. Should be a fun WS, I hope Colorado has cooled off.

[Zem-El Vymes]

Woo hoo!

(Plz don't get swept sox) ^_^;

[Jedi Master Carr]

World Series begins tonight. I think Boston will win the series. Right now I think they will win in 6. I think it will be very hard for Boston to win 2 games at Coors, best they can do is one and that would probably be game 5. I also wouldn't rule out a home-home series where all 7 games are won by the home team.

[Jedieb]

If the series had started within a few days of the NLCS I think the Rockies would have swept or won in 5 against whoever came out of the AL. This 9 day lay off is ridiculous. There's simply no precedent for it. In the NFL you're use to a week layoff. You get one during the season and you battle all year for a bye and HF. But it's not natural to take that much time off in a baseball season. The most you ever get is 3 days for the all star break. Who knows what shape the Rockies will be in tonight. Plus, it's raining and they may even get rained out and then the layoff will be 10 days. Beckett should have his way with the Rockies tonight.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I think the layoff will hurt them especially the first couple of games. I wonder if the game will get played tonight depends on how much it rains tonight.

[CMJ]

Annhilation.

But it's just one game. Three more to go. Let's go Sox.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Dominant, especially Beckett. Hopefully Schilling can pitch like he did in game 6 the other day.

[CMJ]

Step on the throat. This team won 21 of 22 - one loss won't rattle them. I'm still quite concerned.

[Jedi Master Carr]

If they win Game 2 I am not too worried. I think Beckett can win Game 5 and I can't see Colorado winning two straight games in Boston.

[JMK]

If Boston wins game 2, even if they squeak out a 1 run win, it's over. Colorado was out of it for over a week, and practice just doesn't cut it. Sure they won 21 of 22 or whatever it was, but they never faced any lineup half of what Boston has, nor did they face a starter like Beckett. Anything the Rockies pitchers did last night was knocked around like BP, or went for a ball...eventually consecutive walks leading to 3 straight runs. They don't know how to handle this lineup and they're going to have to figure it out right quick or it's going to be yet another boring World Series...

[Jedi Master Carr]

We have had a couple of boring ones lately haven't we. When was the last exciting one? 2003?

[Jedi Master Carr]

Great pitching duel. Schilling pitched very good but Okajima and Papeblon wer amazing. Being up 2-0 is huge.

[CMJ]

I don't see a sweep. I think this goes at least 5 and probably 6.

[JMK]

The Rockies had better use NL rules to their advantage or they can forget about it. The Sox have now won by blowout and by pitching duel. The Rockies must be scratching their heads wondering what the hell type of game they have to play in order to win a game. I don't think the series goes more than 5. I think Colorado wins game 3, Boston takes the next 2. If Beckett pitches game 5 to clinch, it's allllll over.

[CMJ]

We've all been praising Becket, and rightly so. But Schilling is still one of the best postseason pitchers ever. Even with his best stuff in his rear view mirror - he was great last night.

[Jedi Master Carr]

He was great. He is just amazing in the postseason.

[Jedieb]

The Rockies have just been overmatched. Their pitching finally showed up but all they've managed is 2 runs in 18 innings. I still blame that layoff, but Boston's starters and pen have been amazing.

[Jedi Master Carr]

The Rockies are really just finished. Their offense showed up too late really. And man that kid Ellsbury is amazing. I think he could get ROY next year.

[CMJ]

I can taste it now. :D

[Zem-El Vymes]

Hooray! Lets go one more :)

[Doc Milo]

The Rockies are really just finished. Their offense showed up too late really. And man that kid Ellsbury is amazing. I think he could get ROY next year.

Boston was finished against the Yankees too in '04....

[Jedi Master Carr]

The Rockies are really just finished. Their offense showed up too late really. And man that kid Ellsbury is amazing. I think he could get ROY next year.

Boston was finished against the Yankees too in '04....

True but Boston was a different team than the Rockies are. Coloardo will also have to beat Beckett and Schilling which I don't see happening. They had to win last night to have a legit chance of beating Boston.

[JMK]

The Rockies look a little like deer in the headlights. The Sox are just too good and too strong.


Boston was finished against the Yankees too in '04....
Who would have known that the biggest Rockies fan base isn't in Colorado, but in New York? ;)

[Doc Milo]

The Rockies are really just finished. Their offense showed up too late really. And man that kid Ellsbury is amazing. I think he could get ROY next year.

Boston was finished against the Yankees too in '04....

True but Boston was a different team than the Rockies are. Coloardo will also have to beat Beckett and Schilling which I don't see happening. They had to win last night to have a legit chance of beating Boston.


I'm just saying ... you never can tell what will happen in baseball ... NY fans in 2004 were planning a parade down the canyon of heroes when the Yankees were up 3-0. I'd hate for Boston fans to have to go through that, so I'm just warning to not count those chickens before their hatched.... (Wait, what mesa sayin' -- I'd love for Boston fans to live through that kind of humiliation!!! GOOOOOO ROCKIES!

(Of course, Boston's parade will probably be what, tuesday?)

[Jedi Master Carr]

The Rockies are really just finished. Their offense showed up too late really. And man that kid Ellsbury is amazing. I think he could get ROY next year.

Boston was finished against the Yankees too in '04....

True but Boston was a different team than the Rockies are. Coloardo will also have to beat Beckett and Schilling which I don't see happening. They had to win last night to have a legit chance of beating Boston.


I'm just saying ... you never can tell what will happen in baseball ... NY fans in 2004 were planning a parade down the canyon of heroes when the Yankees were up 3-0. I'd hate for Boston fans to have to go through that, so I'm just warning to not count those chickens before their hatched.... (Wait, what mesa sayin' -- I'd love for Boston fans to live through that kind of humiliation!!! GOOOOOO ROCKIES!

(Of course, Boston's parade will probably be what, tuesday?)

Maybe, I'd say Boston either wins tonight or Monday. It depends on what the two pitchers have got, neither have pitched much in the last month. Looking at the Rockies, they don't look like they can make a comeback. Kyle is right they have that deer in the headlights look.

[JMK]

Even if the Rockies win tonight, and Lester looks hittable, Beckett will be ready to go. It's over. Turn out the lights on this series.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Cook is hitable too, although it is 1-0 so far in the 4th.

[Zem-El Vymes]

2-0 now in the 5th :cool

[CMJ]

And we move to the 8th up 3-1.

[Zem-El Vymes]

4-1 now...

GO SOX :D

[CMJ]

Now is the time to find some deals on the 2004 championship merchandise. I'm not even kidding either. :)

As good as this one will feel(provided we hold on)- it's never gonna be '04 for me. But it'll be nice to have a 2007 WS champion shirt next to the '04 stuff I have.

[Zem-El Vymes]

It will be easy as hell for me to shop for my dad this Christmas :)

[CMJ]

Rockies make it interesting. It's up to Papelbon now.

[Zem-El Vymes]

Tessie is the Royal Rooters rally cry
Tessie is the tune they always sung
Tessie echoed April through October nights
After serenading Stahl, Dinneen and Young
Tessie is a maiden with a sparkling eye
Tessie is a maiden with a love
She doesn't know the meaning of her sight
She's got a comment full of love
And sometimes when the game is on the line
Tessie always carried them away
Up the road from "Third Base" to Huntington
The boys will always sing and sway

Two!

Three!

Four!

Tessie, "Nuf Ced" McGreevey shouted
We're not here to mess around
Boston, you know we love you madly
Hear the crowd roar to your sound
Don't blame us if we ever doubt you
You know we couldn't live without you
Tessie, you are the only only only

The Rooters showed up at the grounds one day
They found their seats had all been sold
McGreevey led the charge into the park
Stormed the gates and put the game on hold
The Rooters gave the other team a dreadful fright
Boston's tenth man could not be wrong
Up from "Third Base" to Huntington
They'd sing another victory song

Two!

Three!

Four!

Tessie, "Nuf Ced" McGreevey shouted
We're not here to mess around
Boston, you know we love you madly
Hear the crowd roar to your sound
Don't blame us if we ever doubt you
You know we couldn't live without you
Tessie, you are the only only only

The Rooters gave the other team a dreadful fright
Boston's tenth man could not be wrong
Up from "Third Base" to Huntington
They'd sing another victory song

Two!

Three!

Four!

Tessie, "Nuf Ced" McGreevey shouted
We're not here to mess around
Boston, you know we love you madly
Hear the crowd roar to your sound
Don't blame us if we ever doubt you
You know we couldn't live without you
Tessie, you are the only only only
Don't blame us if we ever doubt you
You know we couldn't live without you
Boston, you are the only only only
Don't blame us if we ever doubt you
You know we couldn't live without you
Red Sox, you are the only only only

:dance WE DID IT!!!

[CMJ]

And there's #7. :D

[Jedi Master Carr]

That was a team championship. It was like 2004 but it still feels great.

[JMK]

Props to the Rockies for making 1 game interesting for a couple innings. I guess.

The Red Sox are just too good for anyone in the NL right now. I think the Indians would have found a way to sweep the Rockies as well. Congratulations to Lowell on his MVP. Everyone talks about Papi and Manny, and tends to forget about Lowell, but he's a great player...no coincidence that he's a free agent too. ;)

Now we can all start watching the Yankee empire crumble a little more. A-Rod is out, Torre is out. Pettitte's resigning hinged largely on Torre's return, so he may be gone. If Pettitte leaves, then Clemens probably won't come back (though it is debatable the Yankees would even take him back). Posada is UFA and will test the market...that's a lot of big holes to fill. Should be interesting.

[jjwr]

I'm really glad Lowell got the MVP, he's had such a good year and really kept this team afloat.

[Jedieb]

Congrats to Court, jjwr, and all the other Red Sox fans. One friendly word of advice, STAY AWAY FROM A-ROD! Actually, I should secretly be hoping you'll go after him and let him bring some of his post season magic to Beantown.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Boston don't want him. I think they will resign Lowell right now. As for who signs A-Rod? I have no idea. If the Cubs had an Owner I would say they be a favorite. Maybe the Dodgers, Angels, Giants or Rangers right now are favorites.

[JMK]

I've seen a couple Red Sox messageboards where they said that if they lose Lowell, they had BETTER get A-Rod.

I want to strangle these people. Don't they get it? They just won the WS without A-Rod, and some people are emphatic about getting him. Unbelievable.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I've seen a couple Red Sox messageboards where they said that if they lose Lowell, they had BETTER get A-Rod.

I want to strangle these people. Don't they get it? They just won the WS without A-Rod, and some people are emphatic about getting him. Unbelievable.

There are few idiots out there, but most Sox fans don't want him.

[CMJ]

I don't know a single Red Sox fan who wants him.

[Jedi Master Carr]

If the rumors are true and Torre ends up with the Dodgers. I could see A-Rod following him there if the Dodgers are willing to pay the money.

[Zem-El Vymes]

I'd rather have Lowell's cancer than to have A-Rod. To hell with that jerk.

Also no other team can afford him so I hope he just does us all a favor and jumps off a cliff.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I'd rather have Lowell's cancer than to have A-Rod. To hell with that jerk.

Also no other team can afford him so I hope he just does us all a favor and jumps off a cliff.

That isn't true. The Dodgers, Giants, Angels, and Rangers could afford him. I would add the Cubs if they had an owner.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Looks like Torre is going to the Dodgers
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3086202
Probably a very good move on their part. It sounds like they are going to have a busy offseason. The Dodgers are talking to the Twins about getting Santana and they are rumored to be interested in A-Rod. If they got those two with Torre they should be NL favorites fast.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Torre is going to the Dodgers.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3090266

[JMK]

But wasn't he on Letterman just a couple days ago saying there was "nothing" to that rumor??? How can this be? ;)

[Jedi Master Carr]

But wasn't he on Letterman just a couple days ago saying there was "nothing" to that rumor??? How can this be? ;)

Heh well maybe he was trying to hold out for more money.

[JMK]

You think? It's either he didn't want to get booed by New Yorkers on the show, or he was sending a message to the Dodgers that they shouldn't be *so* confident that they were going to get him....so they up their offer.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I also think he was trying to get certain guarentees from the Dodgers. I think he wants them to be active in the offseason.