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[Parsideon Denix]

lol appalachian state

Holy crap that is completely unprecedented. A Div-II team has NEVER beaten a ranked Div-I team, much less the fifth ranked team in the nation - at their home field.

I really hope I can find the video of this game. One for the ages. Glad it happened to a team like Michigan :)

And in other news, my alma mater did okay too :)

[Figrin D'an]

Part of me laughed profusely at Michigan's fortune, but the other part of me is disgusted at how it seems to be one thing after another that makes the Big Ten look just terrible.

The Michigan loss spells the end for Lloyd Carr. They've now lost 3 games in a row going back to last season, and given up 108 points in the process. Three straight losses to Ohio State (Carr has only beaten Jim Tressel once) and three consecutive bowl game losses were hard enough for Michigan fans to swallow, but this loss is pretty much unfathomable. Carr won't be fired, but he'll be "forced to retire" at the end of the season, and I think he's pretty much lost the right to hand pick his successor.

[Morgan Evanar]

The AppState QB said, Michigan didn't make any adjustments at all after the half. That is a sign of awful coaching. UM fired Coker for it much faster, thankfully.

[JediBeldarine]

You know, I would feel bad for Michigan... but Gator fans suffered terribly at the hands of disgruntled Michigan partisans for about a month last year and that's still pretty fresh in my mind. Ohio State fans weren't that mouthy, but I've never met a group of fans with a larger sense of (undeserved) entitlement than those who came from Michigan. Mind you, OSU was offensive... but Michigan fans were THE worst.

I took much satisfaction in USC's drubbing of Michigan earlier this year and I took just as much satisfaction with this loss to Appy State.

It's amazing how one game can make someone, who never had any problems with the Big 10 and used to root for Ohio State, completely loathe an entire conference.

*Gator Chomp*

Jen

[Jedi Master Carr]

I am surprised nobody started this thread yet. The big news this weekend was Applachian State beating #5 Michigan. That was an amazing victory by that Div !AA school. It is embarassing for Michigan who fell out of the top 21 with that loss. (that is a 25 spot drop). I was happy Clemson beat Florida State yesterday. That was a big win for them and got them ranked today.

[CMJ]

It's too early to get much of a read on anything. The Appalachian State game is obviously the biggest upset I've ever seen. The Fiesta Bowl in January was probaby more "important" for the litttle guys out there, but the Mountaineers win is BY far the bigger upset. They aren't even in the same division for crying out loud.

(Oh yeah, our new coach's 1st game was a 79-10 beat down....let's hope 69 point losses aren't a trend or I'll be looking forward to basketball season even more than normal)

[Jedi Master Carr]

It's too early to get much of a read on anything. The Appalachian State game is obviously the biggest upset I've ever seen. The Fiesta Bowl in January was probaby more "important" for the litttle guys out there, but the Mountaineers win is BY far the bigger upset. They aren't even in the same division for crying out loud.

(Oh yeah, our new coach's 1st game was a 79-10 beat down....let's hope 69 point losses aren't a trend or I'll be looking forward to basketball season even more than normal)

It was the biggest upset I have seen too. I guess you could argue about some of the ones in the early days of college football but not too many left who saw those games live.

[Ryan Pode]

It's probably the biggest upset since Notre Dame picked apart Army in 1913 via the passing game.

[Kale]

Score at halftime: Oregon 34, Michigan 7

Egads, I sure hope Penn State rolls over Michigan this year, because Michigan has been their nemesis the past few seasons.

[Ryan Pode]

So, hypothetically speaking, say Michigan does get steamrolled by Oregon and by many other subsequent opponents. Does this diminish App States accomplishments and further illustrate why preseason rankings are dumb?

[Jedi Master Carr]

I think it shows how stupid preseason rankings are. I don't think it diminshes what Applachian State did. I mean that was still a huge upset. I also think Michigan is just falling apart after that loss. They probably won't even make a bowl game this year with the way they are playing. Also Oklahomha might be a team to watch out for after beating Miami 51-13. While Miami is down right now, beating them by almost 40 points is still pretty impressive.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Woohoo Oregon! Go Ducks! That was a great game to watch... as a Ducks fan. ;)

[Aurelias Kazaar]

Yeah you can't diminish what Appalachian State did. I mean is OU's throbbing of UNT last week, diminished by their throbbing of Miami today? No.

I think the Michigan coach is now toast by the way.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Appalachian State's accomplishment was amazing last week, but they only won by one point. This week Oregon came in and cleaned the Big House from top to bottom. :dance

edit: merged the college football threads

[Kale]

Penn State ices away a 31-10 victory over Notre Dame and their underage quarterback, and now the 0-2 Irish will travel to Ann Arbor to face the 0-2 Wolverines. So now the question becomes, which team sinks still lower?

Honestly, I think Michigan can beat Notre Dame. The Irish do not have the speed to stretch the Michigan defense the way Appalachian and OU did, and Jimmy Clausen could manage next to nothing at QB until Penn State already had the game in the bag. And if Michael Hart can stay healthy, he should be able to wear down Notre Dame's defense just like Austin Scott did for Penn State.

Of course, Chad Henne is listed as doubtful, which means it'll probably be Mallet again at QB for Michigan. Yeah, Lloyd Carr will DEFINITELY be keeping it on the ground as much as possible.

[Jedieb]

USF is up early against Auburn. Recognize people!!!!!!!!! :crack

[Figrin D'an]

If Michigan struggles against Notre Dame next week, or worse, somehow manages to lose to a rebuilding Irish team, the Wolverines could actually be looking at a losing season for the first time in about 40 years.

The crappy part is that I'm sure my alma mater (Purdue) will still manage to lose in the Big House this year.

[CMJ]

My alma mater lost a barnburner to SMU. I HATE SMU. Rich private school snobs....

With the new coach it's gonna be a long season in Mean Green country. Looking forward to hoops season!

The game of the day was A&M vs Fresno State. Triple overtime....fantastic contest.

[Zem-El Vymes]

USF is up early against Auburn. Recognize people!!!!!!!!! :crack

Oh, if only :(

At least Bama won, in Bama style. lol

Poor Miami :(

[Jedieb]

USF battles back and ties the game late. Now we're headed to gimmicky show that is college football overtime. Win or lose, we gave them all they could handle. We won the toss, here we go.

[Jedieb]

Auburn's kicker line drives a 40 yarder. USF is on offense. We need to get the ball in the endzone. Our kicker is erratic. He's already missed a ton of FG's today.

[Figrin D'an]

Nice win by USF.

[Jedieb]

I SAID RECOGNIZE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :crack

[CMJ]

I'm really in awe of USF. They only adopted football at their school about 10 years ago. Now look at them.

[Jedieb]

The last time I got to see them was about 5 years ago when they came to Virginia to play JMU. Morgantown isn't that far but I'll be damned if I'm taking my wife and kids to that away game. I'm pretty sure the boy and I could dodge the empty whiskey bottles but I'm not sure about the girls.

[Figrin D'an]

Wisconsin just got a huge running play from their quarterback to maybe save the game against UNLV. They trailed for most of the night.


I think if these first 2 weeks of the season have taught us anything, it's that there need to be no polls of any kind until about mid October.

[Zem-El Vymes]

HOLY CRAP WAY TO GO USF!!!

To hell with that cow college!

[Jedi Master Carr]

USF should get ranked after that. Actually the Big East looks pretty strong this year, you have WVU and Louisville obviouslly but then you have USF and Cincinnati looks like it could have a good team with the way they demolished Oregon State, Thursday night. I also can't think Georgia can't be any good if they lose to South Carolina. Now I have to listen to a SC fan tell me they are going to win the National title (I kid you not).

[CMJ]

I don't know about a National title, but Spurrier will have South Carolina challenge for the SEC East in the next year or two.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I don't know about a National title, but Spurrier will have South Carolina challenge for the SEC East in the next year or two.

I will give them that. But this guy I know has been irrating me saying they are going all the way this year. I will be glad when in two weeks they play at LSU who should man handle them. Right now, I think LSU is probably the best team in the country.

[CMJ]

Right now, I think LSU is probably the best team in the country.

Hard to argue with that at the point. But we really don't know how good any of these teams are yet. Not sure how strong the conferences are versus each other either.

Currently it looks like the SEC looks down. The Big 10 looks down. The Big East and Pac-10 look like their stock is up.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I mainly said that based on tonight for LSU. I didn't think they blow away Va Tech like that. I guess we will see what they do from here out. Have to see what USC does against Oregon and Cal to see how good they are.

[CMJ]

Even though I think USC might be the best team...I don't see them going undefeated. All their toughest games except for UCLA are on the road.

Nebraska
California
Oregon
Arizona State(who looks much improved)

Even Notre Dame....rivalry games often go crazy ways.

ALL of those are on the road. I think it's WVU vs LSU at this point. But it's a looooooooooooooooooooong way to go.

[Zem-El Vymes]

SC may be abnormally stout, but Florida will get the SEC east crown this year, I think.

[Jedi Master Carr]

SC may be abnormally stout, but Florida will get the SEC east crown this year, I think.

I agree there, it should be Florida and LSU for the SEC title.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Michigan finally won beat up on Notre Dame. Irish fans can't be happy this year, they look terrible. Biggest upset Utah beat 11 ranked UCLA pretty easily. Also Alabama upset Arkansas.

[Ryan Pode]

I feel like Michigan beating Notre Dame is like ... Kansas State beating Baylor. They're both bad, but one is just... wtf bad.

[JMK]

The Irish looked absolutely lost out there...complete incompetence on both sides of the ball. It was pure ugly. I wonder if Charlie Weis stopped videotaping...oh nevermind... ;)

[CMJ]

I feel like Michigan beating Notre Dame is like ... Kansas State beating Baylor. They're both bad, but one is just... wtf bad.

Kansas State is bad? Since when?

Schools upset today include Arkansas, Louisville, and UCLA.

[Zem-El Vymes]

Go Bama! :D

Also, Auburn was upset by Mississippi State.

Also Tennessee lost. Not an upset but to hell with those inbreeders.

I wonder where the Cult of Weis is these days? They've got a lot of crow to sit down and eat.

[Jedi Master Carr]

He had a bad recruiting class that is for sure. He must not be much of a recruiter.

[CMJ]

Was just mentioning ranked upsets. That's why Auburn wasn't included(unranked). USC also handily beat Nebraska in the most hyped game of the day.

[Morgan Evanar]

Good, I hate Nebraska. Why would that game be hyped? The Huskers are chronically overrated.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Oregon beat the snot out of Fresno State, which is good. :D

[Zem-El Vymes]

Good, I hate Nebraska. Why would that game be hyped? The Huskers are chronically overrated.

I wondered that myself.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Media hyped it up.

[Figrin D'an]

At this point, I think you could draw straws between USC, LSU, Oklahoma and Florida for the #1 ranking. Things will sort themselves out a bit more with conference play starting up in earnest.

That Alabama/Arkansas game was crazy. John Parker Wilson really established himself as a playmaking QB though. Bama's final 2 minute drive was impressive.

Purdue is 3-0, with a trip to Minnesota coming up next weekend, followed by a home date with Notre Dame before Ohio State comes to town. Barring a horrific collapse, they should be 5-0 when the face off with the Buckeyes. If they can find a way to win that game, they could be a legit threat to win the Big Ten.

[Parsideon Denix]

That Alabama/Arkansas game was crazy. John Parker Wilson really established himself as a playmaking QB though. Bama's final 2 minute drive was impressive.



I'm generally skeptical of our QB talent, but I've been tooting this horn ever since last year. This kid has talent like we haven't seen in a while.

As long as he doesn't have Brodie Croyle's glass jaw, he'll do well.

[Jedi Master Carr]

LSU dominated SC for 3 quarters. I don't think the game was as close as the score indicated. LSU did play a little too loose there in the 4 quarter. Biggest two upsets today were Michigan over Penn state and Syracuse over Louisville. Louisville's defense looks horrible.

[Figrin D'an]

Someone needs to tell ESPN that Lou Holtz's "expert analysis" isn't amusing anymore. It was mildly funny his first year in the studio, now it's just flat annoying and embarrassing. The other former players/coaches on their college football crew are at least capable of being somewhat objective when looking at their former school's match-ups and performances. They need to starting holding Holtz to the same standard.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Someone needs to tell ESPN that Lou Holtz's "expert analysis" isn't amusing anymore. It was mildly funny his first year in the studio, now it's just flat annoying and embarrassing. The other former players/coaches on their college football crew are at least capable of being somewhat objective when looking at their former school's match-ups and performances. They need to starting holding Holtz to the same standard.

I agree with you, they should replace him.

[Zem-El Vymes]

Asking the same company that hired Lee Corso to do announcing work for this much mercy wouldn't make any sense though.

[Figrin D'an]

Corso is a goofball, and his analysis isn't anywhere near the level of Herbstreit or May, but at least he isn't a total homer that tries to pass off his zeal as legitimate assessment of the teams in a given game.

I don't hate the guy... I think Lou Holtz has been a darn good head coach over the years. He's just not cut out for doing a studio job if he's going to keep towing the South Carolina and Notre Dame lines every week.

[Kale]

Bleh, I was disgusted with Penn State's play today, which basically amounted to run, run, incomplete pass for most of the game. It seemed the coaching staff didn't gameplan this match-up any differently from the game against Notre Dame. Penn State's WRs have the speed to stretch Michigan out and open room for the running game. They could at least have tried some screens or end-arounds to give them more things to cover. But, no, pretty much all Michigan had to do all game was stuff the middle.

Doesn't help that PSU had two stupid, stupid fumbles, one of which led to a Michigan TD and the other of which took away a scoring opportunity.

Also bummed that Texas Tech lost a shootout to Oklahoma State. Really tough way to lose, too, with Michael Crabtree dropping the winning TD in the endzone on 4th down. Crabtree is an electrifying player. As a freshman WR, he has over 200 receiving yards in each of his last two games and leads the NCAA in TD receptions. If he stays along this track, and if TTU can get some more media coverage, he could be the closest TTU has ever come to having a Heisman candidate.

[Zem-El Vymes]

I'm gonna go throw up guys :(

[Figrin D'an]

I'm gonna go throw up guys :(

I don't blame you. I'm not sure why 'Bama didn't see that coming on first down... with Georgia's kicking game so strong, it made sense for them to take a shot at the end zone right away on their possession.

USC was impressive again, which they probably needed a bit, as their defeat of Nebraska in Lincoln looks a little less impressive given that the Huskers barely beat Ball State at home today.

LSU looked good again. Florida struggled but won on the road. When those two meet in a couple weeks, it should be a great game.

Stanford is giving Oregon a lot of problems at the moment.

How bad is Louisville's defense if they give up 38 points to Syracuse?


Purdue is going to beat Minnesota in the Metrodome tonight, but the defense is giving up too many big plays and not tackling well. I'm not really concerned about it for next week against Notre Dame, but it has to get better by the time Ohio State comes town in two weeks.

[Jedieb]

My Bulls handled their first game as a ranked team pretty well today. We're taking on big bad West Va next weekend at the New Sombrero. We'll probably get smoked, but we're doing great for a young program. We stunned them in Morgantown last year so we won't be sneaking up on them this year, but I can still hope for another upset. :cool

[Jedi Master Carr]

I'm gonna go throw up guys :(

I don't blame you. I'm not sure why 'Bama didn't see that coming on first down... with Georgia's kicking game so strong, it made sense for them to take a shot at the end zone right away on their possession.

USC was impressive again, which they probably needed a bit, as their defeat of Nebraska in Lincoln looks a little less impressive given that the Huskers barely beat Ball State at home today.

LSU looked good again. Florida struggled but won on the road. When those two meet in a couple weeks, it should be a great game.

Stanford is giving Oregon a lot of problems at the moment.

How bad is Louisville's defense if they give up 38 points to Syracuse?


Purdue is going to beat Minnesota in the Metrodome tonight, but the defense is giving up too many big plays and not tackling well. I'm not really concerned about it for next week against Notre Dame, but it has to get better by the time Ohio State comes town in two weeks.

Louisville gave up like 30 some points to Middle Tennessee State a few weeks back and that kind of gave a hint of their defensive problems. Their QB threw threw for 555 yards that shows how bad their defense is.

[Ryan Pode]

My Bulls handled their first game as a ranked team pretty well today. We're taking on big bad West Va next weekend at the New Sombrero. We'll probably get smoked, but we're doing great for a young program. We stunned them in Morgantown last year so we won't be sneaking up on them this year, but I can still hope for another upset. :cool

They'll be P.O'd majorly. Last year my school (Division 3) beat the #4 team (We were unranked) this year, we played them again and got whomped (even though we were ranked).

[CMJ]

Teams upset this week.

#10 Penn State
#16 Alabama
#18 Louisville
#20 Texas A&M

I also went to the UCLA game this evening. The Bruins looked pretty good in beating Washington - they should eventually climb back into the top 25.

My alma mater UNT lost a heartbreaker 30-20(closer than the 10 point margin indicates as FAU got a late score). We're still going thu growing pains with the new coach. But watch out for us in another year or so.. :)

[Zem-El Vymes]

I have misgivings in calling our loss an upset. We were grossly overrated and UGA had us on the spread.

[CMJ]

I'm not sure if you've heard man, but supposedly we will be playing Bama in 2009. It was announced about a week ago.

[Zem-El Vymes]

Awesome :)

If you come to Bryant Denney, I'll put you up for the weekend and we'll party :)

[Jedieb]

We've sold out Raymond James stadium!!!!!!!!!!!! The New Sombrero is going to be rocking!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :crack

[CMJ]

Arguably the biggest game of the weekend with the Cal/Oregon game the other. Good luck USF - I'm pulling for you.

[Jedieb]

YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! :crack

[Jedi Master Carr]

USF off to a very good start.

[CMJ]

Great first half by the Bulls 14-3 over WVU.

[Jedi Master Carr]

They have a very good defense.

[CMJ]

If they can keep this up, I'm about ready to say there are no longer just "the Big 3" in Florida.

[Jedieb]

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[CMJ]

Congrats to all Bulls fans tonight.

[Zem-El Vymes]

That is crazy and awesome. Way to go :)

[CMJ]

Undefeated schools still left as of tonight.

Arizona State
Boston College
California
Cincinnati
Clemson
Connecticut
Florida
Hawaii
Kansas
Kentucky
LSU
Michigan State
Missouri
Ohio State
Oklahoma
Oregon
Purdue
Rutgers
South Florida
Texas
USC
Wisconsin


So more than likely one of those schools will win it all. Unless they ALL lose. ;)

[Jedi Master Carr]

Big win by South Florida. Surprised to see UConn on that list, although maybe they haven't played anybody.

[Figrin D'an]

The Big East could get really interesting now... I don't see either Rutgers or South Florida getting through unscathed, it could come down to tie-breakers between a bunch of 1 loss teams.

I'm thinking we could see a couple more upsets this weekend... both Wisconsin and Cal had better be ready to play.

[Figrin D'an]

Colorado beats Oklahoma on a field goal as time expires. Huge, huge upset.

[Figrin D'an]

Lots of other potential upsets brewing..

Wisconsin is tied with Michigan State in the 4th quarter
Maryland is beating Rutgers in the 4th quarter
Georgia Tech is close to beating Clemson
Kansas State looks like they'll beat Texas for the second straight year

Not to mention that Penn State lost to Illinois, so one of the early favorites in the Big Ten is now 0-2 in conference play.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Florida is also getting beat right now in the 3rd quarter. USC is having a lot of trouble with Washington.

[Figrin D'an]

And Florida goes down... Auburn kicks the game winner as time expires.

This has been a crazy day. Five top 10 teams lose this weekend, plus a host of other favorites.

[CMJ]

Ranked teams to go down....

(3) Oklahoma
(4) Auburn
(5) West Virginia [Lost to #18]
(7) Texas
(10) Rutgers
(11) Oregon [Not an upset though becusee they lost to #6]
(13) Clemson
(21) Penn St.
(22) Alabama

What a day!

(Even though NT got the snot kicked out of us)

[Jedi Master Carr]

Florida goes down to Auburn 20-17. 4 of the top 7 teams lost this weekend. The top 7 will be very different tomorrow.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Ranked teams to go down....

(3) Oklahoma
(4) Auburn
(5) West Virginia [Lost to #18]
(7) Texas
(10) Rutgers
(11) Oregon [Not an upset though becusee they lost to #6]
(13) Clemson
(21) Penn St.
(22) Alabama

What a day!

(Even though NT got the snot kicked out of us)


You mean Florida there not Auburn :)

[Jedi Master Carr]

Allso USC didn't look that good at all. Washington is an awful team. To have so much trouble with them is embarassing. I think LSU could move up to #1 or at least steal some votes from USC.

[Figrin D'an]

Allso USC didn't look that good at all. Washington is an awful team. To have so much trouble with them is embarassing. I think LSU could move up to #1 or at least steal some votes from USC.

Washington isn't that bad. They're young at key positions, so they're prone to some mistakes, but Jake Locker is going to be a monster in the coming seasons. I can't really see LSU moving up to #1, especially considering they struggled for a half against Tulane before finally getting it together. USC will win a conference road game against an improving team, there's no reason to drop them because of that.

The teams that will really benefit from all of these upsets are Ohio State and Wisconsin, whom will probably be #4 and #5 respectively when the new polls come out.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Allso USC didn't look that good at all. Washington is an awful team. To have so much trouble with them is embarassing. I think LSU could move up to #1 or at least steal some votes from USC.

Washington isn't that bad. They're young at key positions, so they're prone to some mistakes, but Jake Locker is going to be a monster in the coming seasons. I can't really see LSU moving up to #1, especially considering they struggled for a half against Tulane before finally getting it together. USC will win a conference road game against an improving team, there's no reason to drop them because of that.

The teams that will really benefit from all of these upsets are Ohio State and Wisconsin, whom will probably be #4 and #5 respectively when the new polls come out.

Well I think LSU will get some more #1 votes to get closer. I don't think they will pass USC until next weekend if they beat Florida.

[CMJ]

How big is the Cal/USC game gonna be? They might be 1 and 3 when they tussle if both keep winning.

[Jedi Master Carr]

How big is the Cal/USC game gonna be? They might be 1 and 3 when they tussle if both keep winning.

When is that game? I know the LSU-Florida game next week has lost some of it flare with Florida's lost, so i was curious when that game is coming up.

[CMJ]

November 10th.

[Zem-El Vymes]

Welp time to shoot myself in the face. Excellent season so far!

[CMJ]

Coaches Poll

1. USC
2. LSU
3. California
4. Ohio State
5. Wisconsin
6. Boston College
7. Florida
8. Kentucky
9. South Florida
10. Oklahoma
11. Georgia
12. West Virginia
13. Oregon
14. Virginia Tech
15. Hawaii
16. Texas
17. Missouri
18. South Carolina
19. Arizona State
20. Purdue
21. Rutgers
22. Clemson
23. Nebraska
24. Cincinnati
25. UCLA


AP POLL

1. LSU
2. USC
3. California
4. Ohio State
5. Wisconsin
6. South Florida
7. Boston College
8. Kentucky
9. Florida
10. Oklahoma
11. South Carolina
12. Georgia
13. West Virginia
14. Oregon
15. Virginia Tech
16. Hawaii
17. Missouri
18. Arizona State
19. Texas
20. Cincinnati
21. Rutgers
22. Clemson
23. Purdue
24. Kansas State
25. Nebraska

[Figrin D'an]

South Florida controls their own destiny in the Big East now. How huge would it be if they were to win that conference and get a BCS bid? (I know, a long way to go yet, but it's fun to think about it)

Kentucky could be the second best team in the SEC this year. We'll find out in the coming weeks.

Purdue cracks the Top 25, but they have a big showdown with Ohio State in West Lafayette this coming Saturday, then travel to Michigan the following week. Things start to get difficult now, so we'll see how they handle the meat of their schedule.

[CMJ]

Harris Interactive Poll

1. USC (76)
2. LSU (36)
3. California
4. Ohio State
5. Wisconsin
6. Boston College
7. Kentucky
8. Florida
9. Oklahoma
10. South Florida
11. West Virginia
12. Georgia
13. Oregon
14. South Carolina
15. Virginia Tech
16. Hawaii
17. Texas
18. Missouri
19. Arizona State
20. Purdue
21. Rutgers
22. Clemson
23. Nebraska
24. Cincinnati
25. Michigan State

[Jedi Master Carr]

I don't care for that Harris Poll I think it sucks myself. Really surprised South Floirda got that high in the AP poll. I thought maybe they be like 9 or 10, but 6 is amazing. I knew LSU would at least gain votes on USC, so them being named #1 in the AP isn't a shock to me.

[Jedieb]

My wife showed me the rankings today and I almost passed out. I was expecting us to be just outside the top 10 but all the upsets this weekend just pushed us right up the rankings. That #6 is just too good to be true. Here's the rest of our schedule:
at Florida Atlantic
UCF
at Rutgers (ESPN)
at Connecticut
Cincinnati
at Syracuse
Louisville
at Pittsburgh

Like Fig said, we're in control of our own destiny. The Big East and a BCS bid our within our grasp. We've already accomplished so much that I don't want to get greedy. I'd be happy with 2 losses after this start because it's been such a fun ride so far.

[Figrin D'an]

The key game for South Florida will be at Rutgers. Both Louisville and West Virgina now have a conference loss, but Rutgers still does not (their one loss being to Maryland from the ACC). If the Bulls can go into Jersey and shut down Ray Rice the same way they stopped Steve Slaton and Pat White, they'll be on their way. The trap game for them will be against Cincinnati.

[Jedi Master Carr]

UConn could be a tough game too because it is at UConn. Connecticut has a good team, although they haven't played anybody. What is strange is the Big East 3 strongest teams right now are South Florida, Cincinnati and Uconn.

[CMJ]

South Carolina looked very good tonight. They'll probably enter the Top 10.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I know and I hate it. I can't stand the Gamecocks.

[Rutabaga]

I don't follow college football nearly as much as I follow the NFL, but I just wanted to drop by and say this:

STANFORD RULES!

:dance

[CMJ]

Ranked teams to lose. Some more major upsets this weekend, but most ranked teams that lost did so to teams ranked higher.

(2) USC
(5) Wisconsin
(8) Kentucky [Lost to #11 South Carolina - not sure whether to count this as an upset]
(9) Florida [Lost to #1 LSU - not an upset]
(12) Georgia
(19) Texas [lost to #10 Oklahoma]
(21) Rutgers [lost to #20 Cincinnati]
(22) Clemson [lost to #15 Va Tech]
(23) Purdue [Lost to #4 Ohio State]
(24) Kansas State
(25) Nebraska [lost to #17 Missouri]


I'm really not sure where this leaves us. :lol


And here are the undefeateds left.

Arizona State
Boston College
California
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Hawaii
Kansas
LSU
Missouri
Ohio State
South Florida

[Jedi Master Carr]

Ranked teams to lose. Some more major upsets this weekend, but most ranked teams that lost did so to teams ranked higher.

(2) USC
(5) Wisconsin
(8) Kentucky [Lost to #11 South Carolina - not sure whether to count this as an upset]
(9) Florida [Lost to #1 LSU - not an upset]
(12) Georgia
(19) Texas [lost to #10 Okalhoma]
(21) Rutgers [lost to #20 Cincinnati]
(22) Clemson [lost to #15 Va Tech]
(23) Purdue [Lost to #4 Ohio State]
(24) Kansas State
(25) Nebraska [lost to #17 Missouri]


I'm really not sure where this leaves us. :lol


And here are the undefeateds left.

Arizona State
Boston College
California
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Hawaii
Kansas
LSU
Missouri
Ohio State
South Florida

Only really Hawaii and UConn have little chance at the title. I can't see either of them getting there even if they go unbeaten. Most of the rest will go down probably.
Right now I say the top 5 is
1 LSU
2 Ohio State
3 California
4 Boston College
5 South Florida
South Florida did escape a scare but because the 5,8 and 9th team all lost I think they should go up. Probably moves OU outside the top 5 and USC down to 6th or 7th. South Carolina will probably be 8th.

[Parsideon Denix]

This year sure has weird rankings, lol

[Figrin D'an]

Still hard to believe that USC lost to Stanford... at home. This will either be the biggest wakeup that USC has had in the Pete Carroll era, or it portends disaster for the Trojans.


Purdue played like garbage. They didn't even score until the game was almost over. This is going to be like 2004 all over again... 5-0, lose to a big time opponent in disastrous fashion, then fold up and lose about 4 more time to teams they should beat.

[Jedieb]

That Stanford win is just shocking. The LSU win was big as well. Both were great games and had tons of big 4th quarter conversions. I can't believe we might find ourselves in the top 5 today. My wife and I are planning on meeting up with some college friends for our season finale at Pittsburgh. That game could end up being MASSIVE!

[CMJ]

Coaches Poll

1. LSU (58)
2. California
3. Ohio State (2)
4. Boston College
5. (tie) Oklahoma
5. (tie) South Florida
7. Southern California
8. Oregon
9. West Virginia
10. Virginia Tech
11. Missouri
12. South Carolina
13. Arizona State
14. Florida
15. Wisconsin
16. Hawaii
17. Cincinnati
18. Kentucky
19. Illinois
20. Kansas
21. Florida State
22. Texas
23. Georgia
24. Purdue
25. Auburn



AP Poll
1 LSU
2 California
3 Ohio St.
4 Boston College
5 South Florida
6 Oklahoma
7 South Carolina
8 West Virginia
9 Oregon
10 Southern Cal
11 Missouri
12 Virginia Tech
13 Florida
14 Arizona St.
15 Cincinnati
16 Hawaii
17 Kentucky
18 Illinois
19 Wisconsin
20 Kansas
21 Florida St.
22 Auburn
23 Texas
24 Georgia
25 Tennessee

[Jedi Master Carr]

The two polls are very different. Like the coaches have Oklahoma and South Florida tied for fifth and they have South Carolina down there at 12.

[CMJ]

Harris Poll

1. LSU (113)
2. California
3. Ohio State
4. Boston College
5. Oklahoma
6. South Florida
7. USC
8. West Virginia
9. South Carolina
10. Oregon
11. Missouri
12. Virginia Tech
13. Florida
14. Arizona State
15. Wisconsin
16. Hawaii
17. Cincinnati
18. Kentucky
19. Illinois
20. Kansas
21. Texas
22. Florida State
23. Georgia
24. Purdue
25. Auburn

[Figrin D'an]

Final, in 3 OTs

Kentucky 43
LSU 37

Looks like Cal or Ohio State will be the new #1.

[Jedieb]

OMG, my head is spiining with BCS visions. :crack

[Kale]

Correction. Looks like Ohio State will be the new #1.

Oregon State 31
California 28

[Jedi Master Carr]

Ohio State will be #1 with Boston College at #2. I think BC will go unbeaten because the ACC just plain sucks.

[CMJ]

Ranked teams to lose this weekend.


(1) LSU (to #17 Kentucky)
(2) California
(11) Missouri (to # 6 Oklahoma)
(15) Cincinati
(18) Illinois
(19) Wisconsin
(21) Florida State


Six Undefeateds left


Arizona State
Boston College
Hawaii
Kansas
Ohio State
South Florida

[Zem-El Vymes]

This year is mad. Simply mad.

[Jedieb]

Ohio State will be #1 with Boston College at #2. I think BC will go unbeaten because the ACC just plain sucks.

BC has to come to Blacksburg next week. The Hokies looked good today and they just may be able to do USF a huge favor next week. The Bulls have to go to Rutgers next week. I can't believe we're even having this discussion. If the computers are kind to us and every thing breaks for us next week we could find ourselves at #2. OMG :crack

And congrats to North Texas for their win today. :thumbup

[CMJ]

And congrats to North Texas for their win today. :thumbup

First win of the Coach Dodge era. :)

All USF has to do is keep winning. Yall might be at #1 soon.

[Figrin D'an]

Honestly, I don't think anyone is going to get through the season undefeated. All of those remaining unbeatens have tough games ahead of them. I'd say Ohio State and South Florida have been the most impressive, but even they have their flaws. I'm not going to be surprised one bit if, by the time December is here, we're still looking at LSU, Oklahoma and Cal fighting for a spot in the title game.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Honestly, I don't think anyone is going to get through the season undefeated. All of those remaining unbeatens have tough games ahead of them. I'd say Ohio State and South Florida have been the most impressive, but even they have their flaws. I'm not going to be surprised one bit if, by the time December is here, we're still looking at LSU, Oklahoma and Cal fighting for a spot in the title game.

Boston College has the easiest schedule left. Their toughest game is at Clemson. And Clemson hasn't been that good this year.
I forgot about the game against Va Tech but I haven't been that impressive with them either. The ACC is just a weak conference.

[Figrin D'an]

The Hokies have looked a lot better in recent weeks. People still have that blowout loss at LSU in their mind when they look at Virginia Tech, it's not the same team now. They actually have decent quarterback play now with Tyrod Taylor, and the defense is playing much, much better. They will pose a solid change for BC. Clemson is, as usual, a Jekyl and Hide team that, if they show up, can beat anyone. I wouldn't hand a title game spot, or even the ACC, to BC just yet.

Look at the upsets that have happened, and that keep happening every week. Colorado tops Oklahoma, Stanford beats USC, Auburn beats Florida in the Swamp, Kentucky beats LSU, Oregon State wins at Cal, Illinois beats Wisconsin then loses to Iowa, Michigan's woes early in the season... this has been one of the most unpredictable seasons in recent memory. No one is dominant, no one is untouchable. Teams that look like world beaters one week are humbled by supposed lesser competition the next.

There's no point in predicting anything anymore this season. It's impossible to tell which teams are going to handle the prosperity of being a Top 5 program, because no one thus far seems to want to stay there for very long.

[CMJ]

If I were a voter I'd probably rank it something like this.

1. South Florida - beause of who they've beaten
2. Ohio State - Great defense
3. Boston College - they just win
4. LSU - so much talent
5. Oklahoma - always look great...until they don't... :lol
6. Arizona State - REALLY underrated right now
7. South Carolina - Only loss to LSU, and they play'd them tough in Baton Rouge
8. California - I almost give them a pass on today because they played their backup QB. Should they win the next 2 they'll shoot back up
9. Oregon - Only loss to Cal in a game that coulda gone either way
10. Kentucky - What a win today

Also wanted to fit West Virginia on the list. I won't put USC back on my top 10 until they can win one of their big road tests.

Obviously, I'm not a voter.

:lol

[CMJ]

Apparently USF will be #1 in most, if not all of the computer rankings. They actually have a decent shot of being #1 in the BCS poll.

[CMJ]

AP Poll
1. Ohio State (50)
2. South Florida (11)
3. Boston College (1)
4. Oklahoma (1)
5. LSU (1)
6. South Carolina
7. Oregon
8. Kentucky
9. West Virginia
10. California
11. Virginia Tech
12. Arizona State (1)
13. USC
14. Florida
15. (tie)Missouri
Kansas
17. Hawaii
18. Auburn
19. Texas
20. Tennessee
21. Georgia
22. Texas Tech
23. Cincinnati
24. Michigan
25. Kansas State



Coaches Poll
1. Ohio State (56)
2. Boston College (1)
3. South Florida (3)
4. Oklahoma
5. LSU
6. Oregon
7. West Virginia
8. South Carolina
9. USC (tie)
California
11. Virginia Tech
12. Arizona State
13. Kentucky
14. Florida
15. Kansas
16. Hawaii
17. Missouri
18. Texas
19. Auburn
20. Georgia
21. Texas Tech
22. Tennessee
23. Cincinnati
24. Virginia
25. Penn State



Harris Poll

1. Ohio State (110)
2. Boston College
3. South Florida (2)
4. Oklahoma
5. LSU
6. South Carolina
7. Oregon
8. West Virginia
9. USC
10. California
11. Kentucky
12. Arizona State (1)
13. Virginia Tech
14. Florida
15. Kansas
16. Hawaii
17. Missouri
18. Texas
19. Auburn
20. Georgia
21. Texas Tech
22. Tennessee
23. Cincinnati
24. Virginia
25. Michigan

[CMJ]

Official BCS Standings!

1) OSU - .942
2) USF - .920
3) Boston College - .891
4) LSU - .840
5) Oklahoma - .762
6) South Carolina - .743
7) Kentucky - .683
8) Az. St. - .683
9) WVU - .662
10) Oregon - .637
11) Va Tech - .630
12) California - .600
13) Kansas - .517
14) USC .472
15) Florida - .435
16) Mizzou - .382
17) Auburn - .337
18) Hawaii - .284
19) Virginia - .229
20) Georgia - .224

[Jedi Master Carr]

I was surprised to see South Florida #2 that is amazing.

[CMJ]

Sorry Eb. :(

Down to five unbeatens.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I was flipping back and forth but stopped watching it after a while. Sorry to see the Bulls lose. I was hoping they would go unbeaten.

[Anbira Hicchoru]

I called it.

I knew they wouldn't have the juice to beat Rutgers, since they're an in-conference rival with half decent talent. Their star just rose too high and too fast.

The first game of the season I wish I'd put money on.

[CMJ]

I thought if USF had gotten by Rutgers they mighta gone thru unscathed. Most of the rest of their big tests are home games - so I figured this was the game. The Bulls could still easily win the league and end up in Miami in the Orange Bowl. I bet that place would be 75% USF fans should that occur.

[Park Kraken]

From what I'd briefly seen of that game, it looked as if the Refs had given a helping hand to Rutgers, letting them get away with quite a bit, while calling USF on everything that they could possibly have called them on. But then I didn't watch the entire game either.

[Jedieb]

Ugh, that was just gut wrenching. We EASILY could have won that game. Injuries, stupid penalties, horrible special teams gaffes, and bad play calling doomed us. Even with all of that we still had the ball inside the Rutgers 50 TWICE in the last 5 minutes of the game while only down by 3 but we still couldn't get in FG range to give us a chance to push the game to overtime. Well, we've still got a shot at the Big East and like Court said, the Orange Bowl.
:cry

[Jedi Master Carr]

South Carolina went down to Vandy 17-6. That is the biggest upset of the day, although Cal losing to UCLA is a big loss as well. Also Ohio State just barely hangs on. I guess we can see another shake up in the top 6.

[Zem-El Vymes]

:wofl TODAY WAS A BRUTAL DAY FOR FOOTBALL :wofl

[Jedi Master Carr]

I was surprised how dominating Alabama was to Tennessee. Oh LSU is trying to make a comeback here.

[Zem-El Vymes]

If only it were legal to charge the field with swords and stab them. We would do it. I promise you we would do it. The amount of nuclear hatred I have for all things Vol can fill entire volumes of human skin tomes with the blood of fallen angels for ink.

[CMJ]

Great game between Auburn and LSU. Wow.


Top 25 squads to lose this week.

(2) South Florida
(6) South Carolina
(8) Kentucky (to #14 Florida)
(10) California
(18) Auburn (to #5 LSU)
(20) Tennessee
(22) Texas Tech (to # 15 Missouri)
(23) Cincinnati
(25) Kansas St.

[CMJ]

AP Poll
1. Ohio State (57)
2. Boston College (2)
3. LSU (5)
4. Oklahoma
5. Oregon
6. West Virginia
7. Arizona State (1)
8. Virginia Tech
9. USC
9. Florida
11. South Florida
12. Kansas
13. Missouri
14. Kentucky
15. South Carolina
16. Hawaii
17. Texas
18. California
19. Michigan
20. Georgia
21. Virginia
22. Alabama
23. Auburn
24. Penn State
25. Rutgers


Coaches Poll
1. Ohio State (58)
2. Boston College (2)
3. LSU
4. Oklahoma
5. Oregon
6. West Virginia
7. Arizona State
8. Southern California
9. Virginia Tech
10. Kansas
11. Florida
12. South Florida
13. Missouri
14. Hawaii
15. Kentucky
16. Texas
17. South Carolina
18. Virginia
19. Georgia
20. California
21. Michigan
22. Penn State
23. Auburn
24. Alabama
25. Wisconsin

Harris Poll
1. Ohio State (111)
2. Boston College (1)
3. LSU (2)
4. Oklahoma
5. Oregon
6. West Virginia
7. USC
8. Arizona State
9. Florida
10. Virginia Tech
11. Kansas
12. South Florida
13. Missouri
14. Hawaii
15. Kentucky
16. Texas
17. South Carolina
18. California
19. Georgia
20. Virginia
21. Michigan
22. Penn State
23. Auburn
24. Alabama
25. Rutgers

[Figrin D'an]

Ohio State will have a great chance to win out if they can get out of Happy Valley with a win next weekend. Visits there haven't been kind to them over the years, even when they have had Penn State completely over matched on paper.

I think West Virginia and Oregon are really the teams to watch right now. I won't be surprised one bit if both are battling for that #2 spot as the season draws to a close.

[CMJ]

BCS Standings
1. Ohio State
2. Boston College
3. LSU
4. Arizona State
5. Oregon
6. Oklahoma
7. West Virginia
8. Virginia Tech
9. Kansas
10. South Florida
11. Florida
12. USC
13. Missouri
14. Kentucky
15. Virginia
16. South Carolina
17. Hawaii
18. Georgia
19. Texas
20. Michigan
21. California
22. Auburn
23. Connecticut
24. Alabama
25. Penn State

[Jedi Master Carr]

How did BSC rank Arizona State 4th? And Oklahoma sure must have some bad computer rankings to drop to 6th.

[CMJ]

The computers really like ASU. I actually think pollsters have underestimated them until very recently. We'll see what they're made of on Saturday versus Cal.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Yeah we will. I also realized that Oklahoma is getting hurt because of the Big 12 and their schedule.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Boston College made a heck of a comeback to survive another night. Beating Va Tech is huge for them. Their only regular season game that will be a challenge is at Clemson. Of course it depends on which Clemson team shows up.

[CMJ]

Going to Maryland might be tough....plus the ACC title game. But things are looking up for the Eagles.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Going to Maryland might be tough....plus the ACC title game. But things are looking up for the Eagles.

I want to see what Maryland is made of when they play Clemson this weekend. The Eagles though are in a great position. Has Boston College ever been this close to the National Title?

[Jedieb]

That was an amazing ending last night. Throughout my building Tech fans are still stunned. The teacher next door to me was at the game and hates Tech so he's in a particulary good mood. I was hoping Tech would knock off BC and provide USF with a slot to slide up. My dream scenario would be for us to have played VA Tech in a BCS Bowl. The trash talking I would have unleashed around here would have been legendary.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Several upsets, Uconn beat S Florida hurting their chances at the Big East Title. Although UConn has the edge now which is shocking to see a Baseball power on top in Football. South Carolina loses to Tennessee. And inconsistent Kentucky getting beat by Ole Miss. All the big teams pretty much won, although Arizona State is in a close game with Cal.

[CMJ]

Top 25 schools according to the AP to lose this week.

(8) Virginia Tech (to #2 Boston College)
(9) USC (to #5 Oregon)
(9) Florida (to #20 Georgia)
(11) South Florida
(14) Kentucky
(15) South Carolina
(18) California (to #7 Arizona State)
(21) Virginia
(24) Penn St (to #1 Ohio State)
(25) Rutgers (to #6 West Virginia)


The undefeateds all had big statement wins. I expect all to move up(except BC & Ohio State obviously). Oregon vs Arizona State next week is gonna be a MASSIVE game...all sorts of Pac-10 and National Championship implications.

[Jedi Master Carr]

You think Connecticut can win the Big East? They should be able to win their next three games but they play at West Virginia for their final. That game won't be easy, of course if they beat them they deserve it.

[CMJ]

I wouldn't think Rutgers or Cincy would be easy games. And West Virginia defintely wouldn't be. But it's possible.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Well they wouldn't be easy but they can win those two because they are home games. I guess who knows at this point, I have to say the Big East is very competivie.

[CMJ]

Most conferences are. Look at the SEC. I'm really curious to see how the polls change tommorrow. Depending on how ASU and Kansas move up in the human polls they could really jump up - the computers love them. The Sun Devils could leapfrog LSU conceiveably.

[CMJ]

Coaches Poll
1. Ohio State (56)
2. Boston College (3)
3. LSU
4. Oregon (1)
5. Oklahoma
6. Arizona State
7. West Virginia
8. Kansas
9. Missouri
10. Georgia
11. Hawaii
12. Texas
13. Virginia Tech
14. Michigan
15. USC
16. Auburn
17. Florida
18. Alabama
19. Wisconsin
20. Connecticut
21. South Florida
22. Boise State
23. Kentucky
24. Clemson
25. South Carolina


AP Poll
1. Ohio State (59)
2. Boston College (1)
3. LSU (3)
4. Oregon
5. Oklahoma
6. Arizona State
7. West Virginia
8. Kansas
9. Missouri
10. Georgia
11. Virginia Tech
12. Hawaii
13. USC
14. Texas
15. Michigan
16. Connecticut
17. Alabama
18. Florida
19. Auburn
20. South Florida
21. Wake Forest
21. Boise State
23. South Carolina
24. Tennessee
25. Clemson

[Figrin D'an]

23. South Carolina
24. Tennessee


This is why most of the people who vote in these polls are idiots, or are simply too ignorant to be allowed to vote.

Two essentially equal teams in same division of the SEC, Tennessee wins a close game in the head-to-head matchup yesterday, yet South Carolina is ranking a spot ahead of them in the rankings that come out a day later.

That Kansas/Missouri game at the end of the season is suddenly becoming an extremely important game.

Boston College was lucky on Thursday. Matt Ryan was great those last two drives, but still, it took a boneheaded mistake by Virginia Tech on the onside kick to even give BC a chance to win. I think their days as an undefeated are numbered, and it'll knock them out of the national title game.

I still think West Virginia has a great shot to get back into the title picture, based on their schedule and whom the teams ranked in front of them have yet to play.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Well only Clemson can beat BC at this point. Miami, Maryland and Florida State are all too inept to even stay in a game with them. Clemson can beat them if the right Tiger team show up. I think West Virgina needs a lot of help to get back in it. They need BC, ASU and Oregon all to lose. LSU would have to lose too but they won't play another tough team until the title game. The Problem for WV is Oklahoma play an easy schedule and would probably only get a tough game in the their title game. I just think they need too much help right now but who knows.

[CMJ]

LSU still has to play Top 20 Bama. The Saban Bowl will be a true battle. LSU will want to beat him....and he'll want to beat them.

All the undefeateds still have tests. I can see all of them losing, but more than likely at least one will go thru unscathed.

[CMJ]

BCS Standings
1 Ohio State 2850 1.0000 1495 0.9967 0.930 0.9756
2 Boston Coll 2665 0.9351 1414 0.9427 0.990 0.9559
3 LSU 2568 0.9011 1324 0.8827 0.880 0.8879
4 Arizona St 2291 0.8039 1221 0.8140 0.930 0.8493
5 Oregon 2433 0.8537 1280 0.8533 0.810 0.8390
6 Oklahoma 2451 0.8600 1269 0.8460 0.670 0.7920
7 West Va 2232 0.7832 1177 0.7847 0.760 0.7759
8 Kansas 2047 0.7182 1108 0.7387 0.860 0.7723
9 Missouri 1923 0.6747 983 0.6553 0.500 0.6100
10 Georgia 1507 0.5288 791 0.5273 0.690 0.5820
11 Va Tech 1286 0.4512 736 0.4907 0.630 0.5240
12 Michigan 1283 0.4502 701 0.4673 0.360 0.4258
13 Connecticut 829 0.2909 419 0.2793 0.570 0.3801
14 Hawaii 1640 0.5754 769 0.5127 0.000 0.3627
15 Texas 1514 0.5312 753 0.5020 0.000 0.3444
16 Auburn 844 0.2961 454 0.3027 0.390 0.3296

Only posted the top 16...I can go up to 50 if you want. :)

[Moreth]

Navy has defeated Notre Dame in 3OT!

Have to wonder why in the world Charlie Weis didn't call out the kicking team when they had the ball on Navy's 24 on 4th down with the score tied and 40 seconds to go.

[Jedi Master Carr]

BC lost so probably LSU will move up. Although, I wouldn't be shocked to see Oregon ahead of them in the BCS poll. I am not sure about Kansas. If they run the table, it is still possible they won't play in the BCS championship game. They would need 2 of the top 3 to lose.

[CMJ]

AP Top 25 schools to lose this week.

(2) Boston College
(6) Arizona St. [to #4 Oregon]
(17) Alabama [to #3 LSU]
(20) South Florida
(21) Wake Forest
(23) South Carolina


Some great games this Saturday. Navy/Notre Dame - even though it didn't mean anything was just a fantastic contest. Texas cotinues to break OSU's heart in excrutiating fashion.

Michigan likewise finds ways to beat the Spartans. The Wolverines may be the most impressive story this year with the way they've salvaged their season.

If I goto Vegas, I'm bringing Les Miles. LSU has gotten so many breaks this year it's amazing. BC didn't get breaks and lost.

Kansas is for real. The way their schedule sets up I think they'd jump 1 loss teams if they win out. They'd have to beat a Top 10 Mizzou THEN a top 5 Oklahoma in the Big XII Championship game.

[Figrin D'an]

Kansas is for real. The way their schedule sets up I think they'd jump 1 loss teams if they win out. They'd have to beat a Top 10 Mizzou THEN a top 5 Oklahoma in the Big XII Championship game.

Completely agree. If they beat Missouri and then Oklahoma in the Big 12 title game, they'll be in New Orleans. Granted, I don't think it will happen, but the schedule strength would be there if it were to come to pass.

Oregon's win was impressive. They might be the best all-around team right now.


Ohio State, LSU, West Virginia, Oklahoma, Oregon... the National Title Game participants will come from that pool of 5 teams.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Go Ducks! :D

[CMJ]

Coaches Poll
1. Ohio State (55)
2. LSU (1)
3. Oregon (2)
4. Oklahoma (2)
5. Kansas
6. West Virginia
7. Missouri
8. Boston College
9. Arizona State
10. Georgia
11. Virginia Tech
12. Hawaii
13. Michigan
14. Texas
15. Southern California
16. Connecticut
17. Auburn
18. Florida
19. Boise State
20. Clemson
21. Virginia
22. Kentucky
23. Alabama
24. Tennessee
25. Penn State


AP Poll
1. Ohio State (60)
2. LSU (5)
3. Oregon
4. Oklahoma
5. Kansas
6. West Virginia
7. Missouri
8. Boston College
9. Arizona State
10. Georgia
11. Virginia Tech
12. USC
13. Michigan
14. Hawaii
15. Texas
16. Connecticut
17. Florida
18. Auburn
19. Boise State
20. Clemson
21. Alabama
22. Tennessee
23. Virginia
24. California
25. Kentucky

And the Harrris - which I can't copy and paste. :)

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/news/newsletters/bcsnews/BCS_Nov_4_2007.pdf

[CMJ]

BCS Poll

1.Ohio State
2.LSU
3.Oregon
4.Kansas
5.Oklahoma
6.Missouri
7.WVU
8.Boston College
9.Arizona State
10. Georgia

[CMJ]

Tommorrow I leave for Dallas and my old stomping ground to the NORTH. ;) UNT plays Navy on Saturday - and we also have acouple of basketball games in the next few days which I'll be able to see - including our conference champion banner raising!. :D [BTW - maybe we should start a basketball thread?]

I doubt I'll post much, but I'll be watching us play in person for the 1st time in eons.

Go Mean Green.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Another one bites the dust. Only two unbeatens left. To me it looks like the field is set for a Oregon-LSU title game unless Kansas can run the table. If either of the above two falter I think Oklahoma would take their place. Missouri has a chance too if they can run the table and hope either LSU or Oregon lose. West Virginia has the slimest chance because they need 4 of the above teams to lose and I don't see that happening especially since three of them are playing each other in the next couple of weeks.

[Zem-El Vymes]

Dammit MSU

[Figrin D'an]

So, it's looking like LSU will be #1, Oregon #2.

Let's say LSU and Oregon both win out (very possible). Let's also say that Kansas is for real, and wins it's last three games against Iowa State, Missouri and Oklahoma (Big 12 title game). If the Jayhawks finish undefeated, do they jump over Oregon? Or, let's say Oklahoma runs the table and beats either Missouri or Kansas (both Top 10 teams) in the Big 12 title game. Do they then jump into one of those top 2 spots?

We could end up with some major controversy once again, especially if Kansas were to somehow win out and not get into the National Title game. Lots of football yet to be played of course, but it could very well happen.

[Jedi Master Carr]

So, it's looking like LSU will be #1, Oregon #2.

Let's say LSU and Oregon both win out (very possible). Let's also say that Kansas is for real, and wins it's last three games against Iowa State, Missouri and Oklahoma (Big 12 title game). If the Jayhawks finish undefeated, do they jump over Oregon? Or, let's say Oklahoma runs the table and beats either Missouri or Kansas (both Top 10 teams) in the Big 12 title game. Do they then jump into one of those top 2 spots?

We could end up with some major controversy once again, especially if Kansas were to somehow win out and not get into the National Title game. Lots of football yet to be played of course, but it could very well happen.

If Kansas wins out they will jump either LSU or Oregon. Oklahoma I think is a different story. I don't think they will have enough to do it, but it could be close.

[CMJ]

Well, NT lost on Saturday 74-62. That isn't a basketball score. :lol

Navy and NT moved the ball at will. The defenses were like massive sieves all day. It was alot of fun to be at a game for the first time in forever though. :)

[Jedi Master Carr]

Well, NT lost on Saturday 74-62. That isn't a basketball score. :lol

Navy and NT moved the ball at will. The defenses were like massive sieves all day. It was alot of fun to be at a game for the first time in forever though. :)

I saw that score and had to check to see if it was a college football game. :p It must have been a fun game to watch though.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Oregon just lost too many players to injury. I think it looks like LSU vs Big 12 right now. Kansas and Missouri both should stay unbeaten till they play next weekend. The winner of that game will probably play 1 loss Oklahoma. I don't think Texas Tech or Oklahoma State can beat them. Of course I think LSU looks like the team to beat, I don't see any of the three Big 12 teams beating them.

[CMJ]

You say that....but who knows? LSU might not get past the SEC Championship game.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I don't see Tennessee beating them. Tennessee is just not good enough. Only Georgia can beat LSU but I don't think Tennessee is going to get beat by Arkansas.

[Zem-El Vymes]

Tennessee is terrible this year. The razorbacks may very well take them out.

[CMJ]

What a day....ranked teams going down this week.

(2) Oregon
(3) Oklahoma
(15) Clemson (to #18 Boston College)
(21) Cincinnati (to #5 West Virginia)
(22) Kentucky (to #8 Georgia)
(23) Michigan (to #7 Ohio State)


I can't wait for the Kansas/Missouri game. Some other good ones for conference titles as well. There are 3 schools that seem to control their own desting to get into the Title game....LSU, Kansas, and Missouri. But the Ohio State, Arizona State, West Virginia are all still alive.

[Jedi Master Carr]

It would be great to see either Kansas or Missouri in the title game. And either OU played terrible or they are just vastly overrated.

[Kale]

Don't tell me nobody else is watching Arkansas and LSU!

Arkansas leading 28-21 with under 4:00 left in the 4th, thanks to a stupendous performance by Darren McFadden.

EDIT: And now LSU takes it in the 3rd OT, and they need a TD with a 2PC to tie.

And the 2PC is NO GOOD! LSU FALLS 50-48!

Great news for West Virginia! :D (If they can beat U-Conn, which is not at all a sure thing...)

[Jedi Master Carr]

This season has just been crazy. Hell, Ohio State is back in the mix. If West Virginia loses or Kansas and Missouri both lose they could be in the title game.
Also I think McFadden should be considered more throughly for the Heisman. The kid is amazing. If he played on a bigger school he would already be the favorite.

[CMJ]

This has been a great, great season. Also of note today A&M beat Texas. And Hawaii beat Boise to keep their BCS Bowl chances alive.

[Figrin D'an]

I'm not going to be surprised at all if the winner of the Kansas/Missouri game ends up losing to Oklahoma in the Big 12 title game, and Ohio State and West Virginia play for the National Title.

[CMJ]

Hell, I wouldn't even be surprised if West Virginia loses again and a 2 loss Georgia that didn't even win the SEC East makes it to the title game. :lol

[Jedi Master Carr]

Or maybe Va Tech now either case would be crazy. I still would like to see Kansas pull it off because it would be some story.

[Kale]

Tennessee and UK now heading into the 4th overtime. This has been crazy!

Tennessee's 2OT try ended with an interception. UK's try ended with a blocked FG which Tennessee had a shot at returning.

In 3OT, UK scored the TD but, on the 2PC, threw a pick. But the Tennessee defender fumbled the ball BACK into the endzone, and another Tennessee defender barely knocked it out of bounds just beyond the pylon to make it no good instead of a one-point safety. Then Tennessee scored a TD and was held out of the endzone on the 2PC, and the running back hurled the ball away in frustration, drawing a (strange) unsportsmanlike conduct call.

So Tennessee started 4OT on their own 40 and got it all on the first play!

Aw, Kentucky failed to make the tying 2PC at the end of 4OT - Andre Woodson tried to scramble, but his blockers got in his way and he was dragged down from behind. An incredible game.

[CMJ]

Or maybe Va Tech now either case would be crazy.

I think Georgia would be the perfect scenario for this bonkers season. They wouldn't be a conference winner. They wouldn't even be a division winner. And yet they'd back into the National title.

Granted I don't want that to happen. But it would basically sum this year up.


Oh, great win by Tennessee btw.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I don't think Georgia can get there now because LSU might be above them. Of course Tenn could beat LSU. Have to through Va tech into this since they won't be far behind.

[CMJ]

NT wins our second game of the year. It's been a long 3 seasons for the Mean Green football team, but I'm glad the seniors won their last home game. :)

[Jedi Master Carr]

Clemson wins on a last second FG to down their arch rivals. They probably kept SC out of a bowl game with that loss. Man SC really fell apart in the last month and a half.

[Figrin D'an]

Well-played game between Missouri and Kansas. The Jayhawks made a few mistakes early on that likely cost them in the end. Chase Daniel was awfully impressive for the Tigers though. He at least deserves an invite to the Heisman ceremony.

West Virginia and Missouri now control their own destinies for New Orleans. If one of them slips up next week, Ohio State will likely slide into the open spot.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I thought this is a good argument for a playoff system
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=dw-playoff112707&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
It would be great for College football, hopefully one day they will make it a reality.

[Kale]

Apparently it's really, really bad to be the #2 team against an unranked opponent. West Virginia just went down against Pitt, 13-9. Pat White was knocked out of the game early with a dislocated thumb, and Pitt has played exceptional defense. On top of that, the Mountaineers fumbled the ball away four times and missed two field goals. A very shocking loss for West Virginia against their bitter rivals.

There was some really terrible officiating in this game. It cut both ways at times - a couple of phantom personal fouls that set up scores for each team - but toward the end, the officials really screwed Pitt. A bad holding call erased a touchdown that would have given Pitt a 17-7 lead, and another bad holding call took back a third down conversion, allowing West Virginia back on the field for one final drive. Both penalties were called on perfectly legitimate blocks - I almost have to wonder if the refs were looking for ways to keep WVU in the game at that point. If WVU had won, those penalties would be the story of the game. Way to go, refs.

EDIT: Oklahoma is up 28-17 over Mizzou in the 4th, and they've just earned another 1st and goal. Looks like another #1 is going down.

[Jedi Master Carr]

West Virginia was stunned by Pitt. Right now Oklahoma is beating Missouri by 11. If Missouri loses it becomes Ohio State vs ?. This is just crazy.

[Kale]

Hawaii?

I mean, at this point, why not?

Oh, and, Mike Patrick accidentally revealed the secret of West Virginia's struggles when he said, "Now we'll see a fresh set of downs for the Steelers."

:lol

[CMJ]

If Hawaii wins tonight I'd vote them in the top 2. Seriously...at least they're showing they want it.

[Jedi Master Carr]

LOL I didn't hear that. About Hawaii why not :p A lot of sportswriters are saying that Georgia shouldn't be picked because they didn't win the SEC title. You could argue Va Tech but LSU killed them a few months ago. LSU? maybe heck maybe USC or Oklahoma.

[Figrin D'an]

Except that Hawaii is losing to Washington 21-0 right now.


West Virginia is going to be the biggest choke story in a season of choke stories. They had lowly Pittsburgh, at home, were already ranked #2 and just had to win, no matter how ugly, to ensure a spot in the BCS title game. Pat White gets hurt (again), Steve Slaton disappears (again), and the Mountaineers lose. Pretty much sums up the season.


Ohio State is in, the question will be who they play. At this point... I'm thinking it's going to be LSU, or maybe even Oklahoma.

If there was ever a year that a playoff was needed, it's this year. No matter who wins the title, there is going to be more complaining and debate than ever.

[CMJ]

Great comeback by Hawaii. Glad I stayed up for it.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I had to go to bed so I missed it. It looked like a great game. So, LSU is #2 in the Coaches and the AP. I haven't seen the Harris Poll yet. Oklahoma is 3 in the Coaches so they could pass LSU if the computers and the Harris Poll favored them.

[CMJ]

We gonna do a Bowl contest?

[Jedi Master Carr]

sure, we could do that. You know of an easy site to copy the list of the games from? Or I could just do some searching.

[Figrin D'an]

Tim Tebow becomes the first underclassman (sophomore/freshman) to win the Heisman Trophy, edging out Darren McFadden in the voting.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I think McFadden is the better player but I think him playing for Arkansas cost him so votes.

[Figrin D'an]

I don't think McFadden playing for Arkansas had anything to do with it. I think it's simply that Tebow had a stronger and more consistent season. The guy set the SEC conference record for rushing TDs... and he's a quarterback. Think about that, with all of the great RBs that have come out of the SEC. Now, throw on top of that over 3000 passing yards and 29 passing TDs with only 6 INTs. Tebow was pretty dominant this season, and even in the games that Florida lost, he wasn't really shut down at all.

McFadden is the better NFL prospect, to be sure. He's a terrific talent that will probably be the 1st or 2nd pick in draft next April. But, when choosing "the most outstanding college football player" for 2007, I think Tebow was the better choice (and honestly, by that definition, I probably would have put Colt Brennan second rather than McFadden).

[CMJ]

I wouldn't have voted for Tebow, but he was obviously a deserving winner.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I just felt McFadden was the better player.

[CMJ]

Poinsettia Bowl
Utah
Navy


New Orleans Bowl
Florida Atlantic
Memphis


Papa John's.com Bowl
Southern Miss
(20) Cincinnati


New Mexico Bowl
Nevada
New Mexico


Las Vegas Bowl
(19) BYU
UCLA


Hawaii Bowl
(24) Boise St.
East Carolina


Motor City Bowl
Purdue
Cent. Michigan (sorry Figrin)


Holiday Bowl
(12) Arizona St.
(17) Texas


Champs Sports Bowl
(14) Boston Coll.
Michigan St.


Texas Bowl
TCU
Houston


Emerald Bowl
Maryland
Oregon St. (sorry Ryan)


Meineke Bowl
Connecticut
Wake Forest


Liberty Bowl
UCF
Mississippi St.


Alamo Bowl
Penn St.
Texas A&M


Independence Bowl
Alabama
Colorado


Armed Forces Bowl
California
Air Force


Humanitarian Bowl
Georgia Tech
Fresno St.


Sun Bowl
(23) South Florida
Oregon


Music City Bowl
Kentucky
Florida St.


Insight Bowl
Indiana
Oklahoma St.


Chick-fil-A Bowl
(15) Clemson
(22) Auburn (sorry Carr)


Outback Bowl
(16) Tennessee
(18) Wisconsin


Cotton Bowl
(7) Missouri
(25) Arkansas


Capital One Bowl
Michigan
(9) Florida


Gator Bowl
Texas Tech
(21) Virginia


Rose Bowl
(13) Illinois
(6) USC


Sugar Bowl
(10) Hawaii
(4) Georgia


Fiesta Bowl
(11) West Virginia
(3) Oklahoma


Orange Bowl
(8) Kansas
(5) Virginia Tech


International Bowl
Ball St.
Rutgers


GMAC Bowl
Tulsa
Bowling Green


BCS Championship
(2) LSU
(1) Ohio St.

[Jedi Master Carr]

heh I was going to look up a bowl schedule to copy but I just forgot. I will edit this thread to show it as bowl pickum.

[Figrin D'an]

Looks like Michigan has hired Rich Rodriguez as their new head coach.

Have to say I'm a little surprised that he was convinced to leave West Virginia considering that just last season he turned down Alabama to stay with the Mountaineers.

He won't have the athletes to run his system for probably 2-3 seasons, so the transition period will be interesting.

[Jedieb]

Poinsettia Bowl
Utah
Navy WIN


New Orleans Bowl
Florida Atlantic WIN
Memphis


Papa John's.com Bowl
Southern Miss
(20) Cincinnati WIN


New Mexico Bowl
Nevada
New Mexico WIN


Las Vegas Bowl
(19) BYU
UCLA WIN


Hawaii Bowl
(24) Boise St. WIN
East Carolina


Motor City Bowl
Purdue
Cent. Michigan WIN


Holiday Bowl
(12) Arizona St.
(17) Texas WIN


Champs Sports Bowl
(14) Boston Coll. WIN
Michigan St.


Texas Bowl
TCU
Houston WIN


Emerald Bowl
Maryland
Oregon St. WIN


Meineke Bowl
Connecticut
Wake Forest WIN


Liberty Bowl
UCF
Mississippi St. WIN


Alamo Bowl
Penn St. WIN
Texas A&M


Independence Bowl
Alabama
Colorado WIN


Armed Forces Bowl
California WIN
Air Force


Humanitarian Bowl
Georgia Tech
Fresno St. WIN


Sun Bowl
(23) South Florida WIN WIN WIN WIN
Oregon


Music City Bowl
Kentucky WIN
Florida St.


Insight Bowl
Indiana WIN
Oklahoma St.


Chick-fil-A Bowl
(15) Clemson WIN
(22) Auburn


Outback Bowl
(16) Tennessee WIN
(18) Wisconsin


Cotton Bowl
(7) Missouri WIN
(25) Arkansas


Capital One Bowl
Michigan
(9) Florida WIN


Gator Bowl
Texas Tech
(21) Virginia WIN


Rose Bowl
(13) Illinois
(6) USC WIN


Sugar Bowl
(10) Hawaii WIN
(4) Georgia


Fiesta Bowl
(11) West Virginia
(3) Oklahoma WIN


Orange Bowl
(8) Kansas
(5) Virginia Tech WIN


[/b][b]International Bowl
Ball St.
Rutgers WIN


GMAC Bowl
Tulsa WIN
Bowling Green


BCS Championship
(2) LSU
(1) Ohio St. WIN

Cherry picking off Court, there's no better way to pick Bowl Games!!!!!! ;)

[CMJ]

:lol I went with alot of upsets this year sinply because it was a season full of'm.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Poinsettia Bowl
Utah
Navy W


New Orleans Bowl
Florida Atlantic
Memphis W


Papa John's.com Bowl
Southern Miss
(20) Cincinnati W


New Mexico Bowl
Nevada
New Mexico W


Las Vegas Bowl
(19) BYU
UCLA W


Hawaii Bowl
(24) Boise St. W
East Carolina


Motor City Bowl
Purdue W
Cent. Michigan


Holiday Bowl
(12) Arizona St. W
(17) Texas


Champs Sports Bowl
(14) Boston Coll. W
Michigan St.


Texas Bowl
TCU
Houston W


Emerald Bowl
Maryland
Oregon St. W


Meineke Bowl
Connecticut W
Wake Forest


Liberty Bowl
UCF
Mississippi St. W


Alamo Bowl
Penn St. W
Texas A&M


Independence Bowl
Alabama
Colorado W


Armed Forces Bowl
California W
Air Force


Humanitarian Bowl
Georgia Tech
Fresno St. W


Sun Bowl
(23) South Florida w
Oregon


Music City Bowl
Kentucky W
Florida St.


Insight Bowl
Indiana
Oklahoma St. W


Chick-fil-A Bowl
(15) Clemson W
(22) Auburn


Outback Bowl
(16) Tennessee
(18) Wisconsin W


Cotton Bowl
(7) Missouri
(25) Arkansas W


Capital One Bowl
Michigan W
(9) Florida


Gator Bowl
Texas Tech W
(21) Virginia


Rose Bowl
(13) Illinois
(6) USC W


Sugar Bowl
(10) Hawaii
(4) Georgia W


Fiesta Bowl
(11) West Virginia
(3) Oklahoma W


Orange Bowl
(8) Kansas
(5) Virginia Tech W


[/b][b]International Bowl
Ball St.
Rutgers W


GMAC Bowl
Tulsa W
Bowling Green


BCS Championship
(2) LSU W
(1) Ohio St.

[CMJ]

Well, we all missed Navy yesterday. :lol

[Figrin D'an]

Motor City Bowl
Purdue
Cent. Michigan (sorry Figrin)





Don't be. I'm honestly half hoping they lose, so that the athletic director and others in positions of influence wake up and tell Tiller that he needs to make some major changes. There is an amazing lack of mental toughness in the entire program, and it has a lot of fans and alumni, like me, pretty irritated.

[CMJ]

So far it's

Jedieb 1-1
CMJ 1-1
Jedi Master Carr 0-2

[Liam Jinn]

I've got 4 tickets to the Cotton Bowl!!! Erm.. Plus parking and VIP crap!!


That being said, I don't watch college football or follow anything to do with it. Is this a game worth going to?

[CMJ]

Definitely! Missouri vs Arkansas should be a great matchup. Plus the Cotton Bowl is one of the oldest bowl games...and the game itself is soon to be moved away from its longtime home at the Cotton Bowl(Stadium) to the new Dallas Cowboys Stadium in Arlington.

I understand why they're doing it....but it's a damn shame. So yeah.....experience some history. For generations the CB was one of the Big four games until the mid 90's when the Fiesta replaced it.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Florida State will have a lot of players missing
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls07/news/story?id=3165899

Kentucky should slaughter them, especially since 6 starters on the defensive side are all not going.

[CMJ]

Current standings provided I didn't screw up. :)

CMJ 4-1
Jedieb 3-2
Jedi Master Carr 2-3

[CMJ]

Jedieb 4-4
CMJ 4-4
Jedi Master Car 3-5

We're all sucking so far. :lol

[Jedi Master Carr]

heh I have noticed that. Those early games are very hard to predict.

[CMJ]

CMJ 7-4
Jedieb 6-5
Jedi Master Car 5-6

[CMJ]

CMJ 9-5
Jedieb 9-5
Jedi Master Carr 7-7

[CMJ]

And going into most of the big games here are the standings.

CMJ 14-7
Jedieb 12-9
Jedi Master Carr 11-10

Alot of the upcoming contests I took underdogs, so my lead could quickly evaporate. I have to say, this have been a great Bowl season so far. Most of the games have been very good, with only acouple of blowouts.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I am taking mostly favorites from here out so who knows. The early games always mess me up because you can't figure out who the favorite is.

[CMJ]

I am taking mostly favorites from here out so who knows. The early games always mess me up because you can't figure out who the favorite is.

You can if you're an avid fan. ;)

[Figrin D'an]

As much as I don't like Michigan, I have a tremendous amount of respect for Lloyd Carr, and I admit it was good to see him go out a winner after such a tumultuous season. For all of Florida's much touted speed, Michigan matched it, and even beat Florida at their own game much of the day.

[CMJ]

CANNOT believe Texas Tech came back in the Gator Bowl. They were dead and buried with about 5 mintues to go.

[CMJ]

So much for me picking upsets. :lol None of us did great today, but Carr did the best.

CMJ 17-10
Jedieb 15-12
Jedi Master Carr 15-12

[Figrin D'an]

Hawaii has pretty much self-destructed. Really ugly game.

[CMJ]

I was very disappointed in the Sugar Bowl. Even though Utah and Boise State won when they had their shots, this probably will make it tough for the next Mid Major undefeated to be taken seriously.

[Jedieb]

:cry
Man, did we get spanked. Oh well, it was a great season and something for the Bulls to build on next year. I wish I was in Miami to watch the Hokies play. With the wind chill it's 5 here. Ugh.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I am taking mostly favorites from here out so who knows. The early games always mess me up because you can't figure out who the favorite is.

You can if you're an avid fan. ;)

heh that is true.

I only messed up with the Cotton Bowl.

[CMJ]

And the former Hall of Fame Bowl(aka the Outback Bowl).

BTW - I also rarely refer the Chick-Fil-A Bowl as anything but the Peach Bowl. These corporate sponsors suck. :lol

[CMJ]

I'm not sure who the best team is this year. But damn....WVU has more team speed than anyone I've seen.

[Jedi Master Carr]

The big BCS games sure haven't lived up to being good games. Really though they should have put Georgia in the Rose Bowl and pared them together (that would have been a good game) and then put Illinois in the Sugar, Hawaii would have been able to play with them.

[Figrin D'an]

Illinois shouldn't have been in the BCS to begin with. It should have been Missouri if not for that incredibly stupid rule about no more than 2 bids per conference (the same rule that screwed Wisconsin last year).

[CMJ]

Orange Bowl has turned into a helluva game.

[Jedi Master Carr]

At least we had one good game, hopefully the BCS title game turns out to be just as good.

[CMJ]

I think I clinched.

CMJ 19-10
Jedia Master Carr 15-14
Jedieb 15-14

[CMJ]

So it's all over. Too bad it had to be a rather anti-climactic end to a great season. We are truly in a golden era for LSU & USC with 2 National Titles each and numerous other BCS Bowl wins.

CMJ 21-10
Jedi Master Carr 18-14
Jedieb 17-15

[Jedi Master Carr]

I had a feeling LSU was going to kill Ohio State.

[CMJ]

LSU beat Ohio State soundly. But it wasn't a killing. That was last year. :lol

[Jedi Master Carr]

LSU beat Ohio State soundly. But it wasn't a killing. That was last year. :lol

well I knew it wouldn't be that close then :p

[Figrin D'an]

Well, not that many people here care about this, but it appears that my alma mater, Purdue, is ready to announce that Joe Tiller will be retiring at the end of next season, and that his former assistant (and current head coach at Eastern Kentucky) Danny Hope will be rejoining the staff for the 2008 season as an assistant and will take over as head coach in 2009.

There's a lot of mixed opinions and rumor going around about whether or not this "retirement" is being forced or is voluntary. Many alumni think that, while Tiller rejuvenated the program when he arrived in 1997, progress in recruiting and becoming more competitive in the conference has become stagnant over the last 4-5 years. I guess they have a point... I think Purdue has significantly underachieved in recently. Still, it's not going to be easy to see the guy who brought the football program back from the dead leave under what could be less than amicable circumstances.

It's obvious that the AD is hoping for the same type of smooth transition that was done with Gene Keady to Matt Painter for the basketball program a couple of years ago. I just hope it works out as well.

[CMJ]

I remember what Purdue was like before Tiller. Hard to imagine him being ousted.