Indiana Jones 4 (Summer 2008)

[Hartus Kenobi]

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LOS ANGELES - Jim Broadbent is joining Indiana Jones on his latest adventure.
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The Academy Award-winning actor has joined the cast of the fourth installment in the "Indiana Jones" series, according to an announcement posted Wednesday on Lucasfilm Ltd.'s Indiana Jones Web site.
Production began Monday on the not-yet-titled film, which reunites director Steven Spielberg, executive producer George Lucas and Harrison Ford as the archaeologist-adventurer who made his first appearance in 1981's "Raiders of the Lost Ark."

The movie is due out May 22, 2008.

Broadbent, 57, won a supporting-actor Oscar for 2001's "Iris." He joins previously announced co-stars Cate Blanchett, Shia LaBeouf, John Hurt and Ray Winstone. Broadbent's other films include "Moulin Rouge," "The Crying Game," "Bridget Jones's Diary" and "The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe."

Lucasfilm recently announced that Sean Connery — who played Indiana Jones' bookish father in the franchise's third installment, 1989's "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade" — will not reprise the role in the new movie.
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So according to the article, we've got Jim Broadbent, Cate Blanchett, Shia LaBeouf, John Hurt and Ray Winstone lined up for the fourth installment of the Indiana Jones movie franchise. Good cast so far.

[Yog]

Let's not forget the main attraction: Harrison Ford.

I wonder how well he shapes up for the pysical parts, stunts etc.

[Mitch]

Aww, I was hoping for more Connery...

[Jedi Master Carr]

It sucks that it won't have Connery or John Rhys-Davies. Connery I understand it is his choice. Not sure why they are interested in bring John back. I know he is peeved about it.

[Rutabaga]

No Sallah? NNNNOOOOO!!!! :shakefist

I'm also bummed about no Connery, but yes, I do understand his reasoning behind it. But as for the rest of the casting...goodness gracious, what a fine load of people!

[Jedi Master Carr]

No Sallah? NNNNOOOOO!!!! :shakefist

I'm also bummed about no Connery, but yes, I do understand his reasoning behind it. But as for the rest of the casting...goodness gracious, what a fine load of people!

I was mad about that too. I know Davies is really upset and he was hoping to do it from the article I read.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Can I just say that Shia LaBeouf has just about made his career already? His agents better be making a lot of money. :p

[Jaime Tomahawk]

No Sallah? NNNNOOOOO!!!! :shakefist

I'm also bummed about no Connery, but yes, I do understand his reasoning behind it. But as for the rest of the casting...goodness gracious, what a fine load of people!

Even with that cast, I doubt it'll be able to save the probable lousy script Lucas will come up with.

[Yog]

They are shooting the movie right now:

http://www.indianajones.com/community/news/news20070621.html

Here is the first indy footage in 18 years :D

http://www.mneh.org/pics/bo/movies/indy4/indy4.jpg

[Jedi Master Carr]

No Sallah? NNNNOOOOO!!!! :shakefist

I'm also bummed about no Connery, but yes, I do understand his reasoning behind it. But as for the rest of the casting...goodness gracious, what a fine load of people!

Even with that cast, I doubt it'll be able to save the probable lousy script Lucas will come up with.

Well Lucas didn't write the script, it was some screenwriter whose name I can't remember. I am more worried that Ford is just too old for the part.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Judging by that picture, he is not too old for the part. ;)

Of course, he's sitting down. :uhoh

Shia LeBeouf was on Leno the other day and he made it sound like Ford is still completely kicking butt with the bullwhip at least. :thumbup

[Parsideon Denix]

Why make a fuss over Sallah and Jones Sr? It isn't like they were consistently in the last 3 movies.

[Hartus Kenobi]

That is an AWESOME pic of Indy. I was just about to post it :(

[Hartus Kenobi]

FIRST INDIANA FOOTAGE:

http://www.indianajones.com/community/news/indyarrives.html

George Lucas is wearing the greatest shirt :)

[Mu Satach]

That shirt rocked. :D

[Hartus Kenobi]

For those of you who can't read it :) :

[Rutabaga]

Just thought I'd throw this in here: :D

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb164/Rutabaga64/heartindy.gif

[Lilaena De'Ville]

The teaser poster is out! Indy is back in theatres Memorial Day weekend, 2008.

:)

[Itala Marzullo]

That's what I want for my birthday Hollie.

hint hint.

[Rutabaga]

I like it. :dance

[Lilaena De'Ville]

LucasFilm has registered six Indiana Jones titles in the MPAA database, meaning one of these will most likely be the title of the film:

- Indiana Jones and the City of Gods
- Indiana Jones and the Destroyer of Worlds
- Indiana Jones and the Fourth Corner of the Earth
- Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
- Indiana Jones and the Lost City of Gold
- Indiana Jones and the Quest for the Covenant

I'm rooting for Kingdom of the Crystal Skull :dance

[Loklorien s'Ilancy]

Please be City of Gods :D

[Lilaena De'Ville]

no,

KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL!!!

[Loklorien s'Ilancy]

I'm gonna hit your cats :mad

[Figrin D'an]

There's been a lot of rumors that the film is going to tie heavily into the story from Raiders of the Lost Ark (Karen Allen returning to play Marion Ravenwood; John Hurt cast to play Abner Ravenwood, who was supposed to be dead), which would tend to make me lean towards "Quest for the Covenant."

Although, the supposed working title is "City of Gods."

"Lost City of Gold" has been overdone in movie history, so I really hope it's not that.

[Loklorien s'Ilancy]

If Karen Allen came back to reprise her role, that would make my year.

[Figrin D'an]

If Karen Allen came back to reprise her role, that would make my year.

It's not an if... she's back, it's official. There's even <A HREF="http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0367882/Ss/0367882/IMG3544.jpg.html?path=gallery&path_key=0367882">pics</A> to prove it.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Hooraaaaaay - what the HECK is that growing on Shia's face?!?! :eek

[Yog]

If my eyes are not mistaken, I believe that is a moustache. <img src=http://www.mneh.org/s/eyebrow.gif>

[Loklorien s'Ilancy]

It's not an if... she's back, it's official. There's even <A HREF="http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0367882/Ss/0367882/IMG3544.jpg.html?path=gallery&path_key=0367882">pics</A> to prove it.

Oh awesome :eee

Man she ages great; still a cutie.

[Zem-El Vymes]

I am hoping for Indiana Jones and the Destroyer of Worlds, for a nice duality between Kali and the atomic age :D

[Rutabaga]

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb164/Rutabaga64/foxtrotindy.gif

[Cat X]

Look like Holly got her wish. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull it is!

[Droo]

What a vile, bloated title. :\

[Figrin D'an]

What a vile, bloated title. :\

It's no more or less corny than 'Temple of Doom'.

[Parsideon Denix]

It's the longest of the titles, syllable-wise. One syllable more than Raiders of the Lost Ark.

[Droo]

It's no more or less corny than 'Temple of Doom'.


The corny-ness I don't have a problem with - there's a point when titles simply become too long and gaudy. If it were Kingdom of the Skull(s), or of the something else, it's alright. But throw in the crystal bit and it's just too much of an unnecessary mouthful.

[Figrin D'an]

Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

compared to:

Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark (which is the official title now).
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade


I guess I don't really see it as any more bloated than the first one. To each his/her own however.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

:dance Woohoo!

C'mon its great! Its no worse than Star Wars: Attack of the Clones, and Indy movies have always had pseudo-campy titles. :)

[Jedi Master Carr]

Here is what people think it is refering to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_skull

My theory the 13 Crystal skulls will lead to Atlantis, but that is just my theory. There are also rumors of aliens being in the movie. At this stage, I just say those are rumors. If the plot is Atlantis than I think it could be a very cool movie.

[stevenvdb]

Harrison looks like he still has it. Looking pretty dapper in the ole Indy threads. Hopefully he isn't still stapling that hat to his head - ouch.

http://www.harrisonfordweb.com/

[Yog]

I am now getting pretty hyped for this movie. I am not sure if even Spielberg / Lucas realize what a stick of box office dynamite they are sitting on. This movie will make +400M easily and has a fair shot at 500M. You heard it here first.

[Jedi Master Carr]

400 million won't happen. Indy isn't Star wars. He won't bring in that big family audience. I think it will make 300-350 million and 350 is best case.

[Yog]

400 million won't happen. Indy isn't Star wars. He won't bring in that big family audience. I think it will make 300-350 million and 350 is best case.

Care to make a bet on that? :p

I think you are dead wrong about the family audience appeal. My father is 66 years old, and hardly ever goes to the movies. He would never think about watching Star Wars.. or really about any of "the new unrealistic stuff" they put out nowadays, but Indiana Jones? Hell yeah! It has 20 years of anticipation, very wide age appeal for an action movie, and everyone from teenage to casual movie goers will want to watch it.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Sure I would be willing to bet to back it up. I just don't see it. Here is a list of reasons. Last Crusade adjusted for inflation is 320. I can't see the fanbase increasing by 180 million dollars. Second is competition. For it to make 500 million it would have to dominante for two months. That won't happen because The Dark Knight comes out 3-4 weeks after Indy. Batman is huge and I think the sequel will be bigger than Batman Begins. You also have Prince Caspain and Iron Man coming out in May. When Pirates made 400 it dominated because it faced nothing for a month. And was able to stay #1 3 weeks in a row. That won't happen with Indy. I still don't see 10 year old boys going to in massive numbers to equal that number. Finally we need to not get carried away as Star Wars fans did before TPM. They were thinking 600 million when 400 was the real target. In the end I see Indy !V making 300-350. 500 is impossible and 400 would surprise me. I also would only make the bet for 500 because that won't happen. 400 there is probably like a 5% chance and that is if Caspain bombs.

[Yog]

I would not bet on 500M. I think it's possible, but have to admit that is a long shot. Like you say, competition, and also the marketing would need to be on the level of the first spiderman movie. I feel pretty sure on 400M though. About TPM, I feel that movie COULD have made 600M if it was on par in quality with the original SW movies. The anticipation was in the stratosphere. Absolutely everyone needed to see it for no other reason it was the return of the SW franchise after 20 years. Heck, I remember hoping Lucas would be making more SW movies in the 80's, and already back then there was talk about the clone wars and speculation if / when he would do those movies. It's stunning to think how well TPM did box office wise when so many were disappointed with it.

As for the Indy 4, of course it does not have the same anticipation as Episode 1. But I'd say it got more potential than spiderman, batman and a lot of other franchises for the past few years, simply because the Indy movies were timeless and the character resonates so well with different generations. Something I heard for about 15 years is the question "when will they make another Indy movie??" and then we would speculate what it would be about. It was the same for Star Wars. I did not hear the same question for Superman for example. Almost everyone who has a TV has seen some or at least one of the Indy movies, and when Spielberg and Ford teams up to make another one, you can be sure people will want to check the movie out, even if they hardly ever go to movie theaters.

I somewhat agree on you about the 10 year olds, it is not as well fit as Transformers and SW in that regard. It is more for a teenage audience and for generations who grew up with the Indy movies, and finally for the casual movie goers who knows the cultural icon maybe seen Indy movies on TV. I still have a hard time imagine a lot of kids not wanting to see this though.

Edit: I also want to comment on this next point since it is important.


Last Crusade adjusted for inflation is 320. I can't see the fanbase increasing by 180 million dollars.

I think that is a flawed assumption to make. The Indy fanbase is not static, I'd go as far to say it increased over the years, because a lot of people seen the movies on DVD, TV and whatnot, but never actually saw it in theaters. This is the case for most people I know, including myself. I never actually saw an Indy movie in theaters, and now is my chance.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I honestly think 400 is going to be tough because of Caspian. Caspian comes out 5 days before Indy. The first Narnia movie made 291 million. I don't see the sequel making 300 but who knows. It could surprise me since it has a decent size christian base. Right now I see the sequel doing 240-275 but my point is I see the same thing that happeed to Shrek the Third and Pirates 3. The two films got killed because of them being so close so neither film broke out past 320. I think Caspian and Indy will hurt each other to some degree. Indy probably won't make more than 350 because of it and Caspian has a ceiling of 300 for the same reason.

[JMK]

I think 300 is the ceiling for Indy. Too much competition and not enough people will see it repeatedly like they do for SW. I see it inching to 250 million and that's it. Of course, I reserve the right to change my mind once the trailers come out though. ;)

[stevenvdb]

Just a trifle, but you know the marketing is going to be huge when they have their own cereal. Includes skull marshmallows! Move over C3PO's. ;)

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e352/svdberg/whipnotincluded.jpg

[Yog]

I honestly think 400 is going to be tough because of Caspian. Caspian comes out 5 days before Indy. The first Narnia movie made 291 million. I don't see the sequel making 300 but who knows. It could surprise me since it has a decent size christian base. Right now I see the sequel doing 240-275 but my point is I see the same thing that happeed to Shrek the Third and Pirates 3. The two films got killed because of them being so close so neither film broke out past 320. I think Caspian and Indy will hurt each other to some degree. Indy probably won't make more than 350 because of it and Caspian has a ceiling of 300 for the same reason.

I agree Caspian will probably make about 240-275. It would have a better chance at christmas (not a summer movie really).

One thing to remember about Shrek the Third / Pirates 3, they were movies with potential 400M ceiling. They also had Spiderman 3 to fight. Caspian is not on that level of competition. You had the biggest franchises in one month. Many were not willing to shell out for all 3 of them, especially considering the luke warm reviews. As movies they were also disappointing and this hurt their legs. You could skip out on one or several of those without really missing that much, but Indy 4? Who would want to miss out on that? Not me, thats for sure.. :)

*cracks whip*

[Jedi Master Carr]

Well that is what I think Caspian. There is a christian audience that could rush out to see it but who knows. The only other May movies are Iron Man and Speed Racer. Iron Man could make 200 because it opens May. Not sure what Speed Racer will do. I honestly think the #1 movie of the summer will be close between Indy and Batman. Batman comes out right after the 4th of July. It has July to it self, Begins was loved by fans and non-fans and it has the Joker. I think it can top 300 as well.

[Wyl Staedtler]

Just a trifle, but you know the marketing is going to be huge when they have their own cereal. Includes skull marshmallows! Move over C3PO's. ;)

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e352/svdberg/whipnotincluded.jpg

WANT. SO. BAD.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

First poster is out!

[Yog]

Awesome! He certainly does not look old in that.. :p

[stevenvdb]

This is not the post you're looking for. Move along.

[stevenvdb]

I dunno - I kind of like the idea that Indy has moved along in age, think it adds to the charactor mythos. What happened in the intervening years? Let our imagination fill in the blanks. I always though the Indy series was aimed at a more adolescent crowd (say, in the broadest sense 9-16, compared to SW which is meant for the child in everyone 6+) We don't need the point A, B to C connection that was spoonfed us, like in the Prequel Trilogies. (hopefully Spielberg can resist any of George's want to do)

Much of the derring-do image, and his success seemed to come via just scraping by on guile, a little chance and flat out gutsiness rather than as an action-hero. If they play it right, it will go well, and maybe we'll get a few chuckles out of it, if it's not overplayed, anyways (you know, heavy-handed forced humor George-style, again).

[Rutabaga]

First poster is out!

Saw this online yesterday...I highly approve, because it definitely harkens back to the posters for the first 3 movies. I like it :thumbup.

[Jeseth Cloak]

No Sallah? NNNNOOOOO!!!! :shakefist

I'm also bummed about no Connery, but yes, I do understand his reasoning behind it. But as for the rest of the casting...goodness gracious, what a fine load of people!

Even with that cast, I doubt it'll be able to save the probable lousy script Lucas will come up with.

Well Lucas didn't write the script, it was some screenwriter whose name I can't remember. I am more worried that Ford is just too old for the part.
I think Lucas' writing is the least of our concerns. Remember, he will still be coaching the actors on their roles.

[Yog]

I think Lucas' writing is the least of our concerns. Remember, he will still be coaching the actors on their roles.

Let's not forget Spielberg is the one actually directing this though. I have yet to see a movie where Spielberg was on the set and the actors performed bad.

[Jeseth Cloak]

Good point.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

New picture from the set of Indy 4.

Also, there will be an Indiana Jones Mr. Potato Head (http://gizmodo.com/347892/lucas-whores-out-indy-into-tater-of-the-lost-ark-and-we-love-it). :p

[Vince]

Watch out! He's got a BAZOOKA!!!!!!!!

[Figrin D'an]

Some have probably seen this before, but for those who haven't, here's a pic showing the character Cate Blanchett will be playing in the film...



Agent Irina Spalko

[Yog]

Some have probably seen this before, but for those who haven't, here's a pic showing the character Cate Blanchett will be playing in the film...



Agent Irina Spalko

Ah, the star on her belt and her name must mean she is an evil communist KGB spy :D

Here is a very good article about the new Indy Movie:
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2008/02/indianajones200802

[Rutabaga]

Also, there will be an Indiana Jones Mr. Potato Head (http://gizmodo.com/347892/lucas-whores-out-indy-into-tater-of-the-lost-ark-and-we-love-it). :p

Must. Buy. :D

[General Dan]

Watch out! He's got a <strike>BAZOOKA</strike> RPG-7!!!!!!!!

Fixed.

So...the bad guys are commies in this one. Excellent! They deserve their time under the bullwhip.

EDIT: The funny thing is, the rocket propelled grenade that Indy is using in that shot wouldn't technically be in service for another four years. Picking nits, etc :)

[Vince]

Yeah yeah yeah. Indy's always been ahead of the times. First dibs on all the good things that go boom, you know.

[Patience Darklighter]

Actually now that I think about it, I think he's been jumping the shark for way longer. I believe he was using an RPG-7 in Raiders of the Lost Ark as well, lol. That's a good 25 year head start!

I guess a big fat-headed Panzerfaust just didn't look as sexy :)

Then again, watch how many James Bond movies feature an MP-38. I think the bad guys were using those all the way up to Timothy Dalton, and that's a WW2 gun, haha.

[Figrin D'an]

Ah, the star on her belt and her name must mean she is an evil communist KGB spy :D



Yup. It's Soviets in stead of Nazis this time around for Indy's foes. And Agent Spalko is supposed to be a KGB operative.

[Yog]

Marketing rolls into high gear. This thursday, teaser trailer airs.

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/6869/9185ay7jw6.jpg

Anyone wants some ice cream? :p

[Figrin D'an]

Nestle... the ONLY sugar-coated ice cream on a stick that Indy eats on his daring globe-trotting adventures!

:rolleyes


I am very much looking forward to the teaser trailer though.

[Crusader]

I have watched it today at the movies and it was hilarious.

[Yog]

Teaser Trailer online!!! And in High Definition! (http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/indianajones.html?showVideo=1) :D


Direct download links for the HD mov files.

480p (http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll?sid=58002461&sdm=web&pt=rd) (36 MB) - 720p (http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll?sid=58002462&sdm=web&pt=rd) (91 MB) - 1080p (http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll?sid=58002465&sdm=web&pt=rd) (133 MB)

Right click, save as. Rename to *.mov if it saves as .dll

[Yog]

Now that was funny, spectacular and high on action. Just as we can expect from an Indy movie :)

Some speculation about the trailer..

* That is the warehouse where they stored the Ark of the Covenant from the first movie!!! Holy crap, that's an unexpected plot twist I certainly did not expect! I suspect the KGB has somehow figured out where it was stored, and now wants to use it to control the world. But how does the Crystal Skull come into this?

* If I am not terribly mistaken. That looks like some maya temple, or similar culture! Maybe the Maya civilization did not get wiped out, but have been hidden under ground or in the jungle in the "Kingdom of the Crystal Skull", and the skull may somehow be the key to the gateway?

* Although, I read some rumours about the Crystal Skull having super natural powers, and somehow being linked to extra terrestrials? If that is true, maybe the Crystal Skull actually comes from space, and that ancient indian culture is linked to it?

* Aaaaaah! I just put the film on pause when the glasses fell down at 1 minutes and 26 seconds in.. check out the text: Roswell, New Mexico, 1947. Area 51 anyone? But what is that? It seems to be a magnetic field. Maybe saucer technology?

* 38 seconds in. That must be area 51!

:: mind explodes ::

[CMJ]

I have been pretty skeptical of this since it's been soooo long since Last Crusade, but damn if I'm not excited now.

[Yog]

Some interesting stuff about Crystal Skulls...
http://www.soul-guidance.com/houseofthesun/crystalskulls.htm

[Jedi Master Carr]

It looks very cool, although Batman is still #1 for me. I place this second right now for the summer.

[Crusader]

It would be so funny if some underdog beats both movies so that in the end you are both wrong :)

[Yog]

It would be so funny if some underdog beats both movies so that in the end you are both wrong :)

Haha, yeah that would be pretty funny :lol

(If there is any such movie, it's probably Wall-E)

[JMK]

It would be so funny if some underdog beats both movies so that in the end you are both wrong :)

Highly doubtful that one of those 2 movies doesn't end up on top of the box office war for 2008, but I think the SW animated movie might take a run at the title. ;)

It looks like the Indy franchise is going to pick up exactly where it left off, there doesn't seem to be any change in tone whatsoever. And if Shia Leboeuf doesn't look ready to take over for additional movies, I'll eat my shirt. The shot at 1:20 in...he looks like he studied Harrison Ford forever to get that look of shock.

Can't wait for this. Between Batman, SW, and this, this might be one of the best summers ever as far as I'm concerned.

[Rutabaga]

Dang if my mother didn't see the trailer before I did, I don't think she's ever beaten me to something like this before me before!

And I think she's almost more excited about seeing the movie than I am! :dance

This is my #1 most anticipated movie of the year, if for no other reason than I've been an Indy freak for 27 years now (remember, I'm a lot older than most of you :)), and I still think Harrison Ford rocks the house.

*runs off to get in line NOW*

[Yog]

Dang if my mother didn't see the trailer before I did, I don't think she's ever beaten me to something like this before me before!

How old is she? Hope it's not a rude question. I'm just curious about the demographics. :)

[Rutabaga]

She wouldn't mind me telling you this at all...my mother will be 79 in June :). However, she did not see it online, because my parents don't own a computer...she saw it on TV, on the news.

And for the record, for people around here who don't know, I just turned 44 last month. :dance

[Yog]

That is so awesome! 79 year old Indy fan! And congrats to you as well :)

(I'm only 31 myself)

[General Dan]

Ok I am now in full-on nerd mode and this is awesome.

[Figrin D'an]

May 22nd can't come soon enough. This movie is going to rock so much.

[Darth McBain]

Oh Yeah!!! Since this has been in development hell for so long, and since Ford's not quite the action hero he used to be, I have been taking all news of this movie with a grain of salt. But seeing the trailer - OH YEAH!!!! I am so on board for this one! Even if it doesn't turn out to be the greatest movie, there is a lot of nostalgia value in this one for me - I grew up on the Indy movies (after SW, of course :) )

[Lilaena De'Ville]

:) I'm glad they progressed the timeline of the movie to the 50s and the Commies instead of trying to keep it in the 40s with the Nazis. Makes it more 'realistic' especially with Ford being so much older now. I mean, they can shave a few years off of him, but lets face it, he's a really old guy.

Can't wait to see it, and I'm very interested to see how big Shia's role is. :)

[General Dan]

You and me both. I was derided for a long time for my belief that it would be commies, but it really fit so well in my mind.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

http://www.nibenay.com/2008/02/27/indiana-jones-iv-la-couverture-cine-live/

^^ New pictures from the movie, from some French magazine. :)

[Yog]

Great photos!

[Lilaena De'Ville]

There's a great article about Indy in the Entertainment Weekly for this week, plus some tidbits about the upcoming movie. Although, they don't reveal anything except that Shia's character's nickname is "Mutt" and cast doubt on what *I* believed was true... So is he Indy's son or what?? :p

Also, new poster. :) The skull looks totally creepy...

[Yog]

Oh, I love that poster! :D

[Lilaena De'Ville]

http://www.theraider.net/news/fullstory_indy4.php?id=626

New pictures from the movie, one of Indy at gunpoint and one of Shia with a bloody knife. A tiny knife. They don't look too spoilerific to me, but who knows.

[Yog]

New Indy trailer out in HD! :crack

480p (http://downloads.paramount.com/mp/indianajones/trlr2/Indy_KOTCS_Trailer2_480p.mov) - 720p (http://downloads.paramount.com/mp/indianajones/trlr2/Indy_KOTCS_Trailer2_720p.mov)

[JMK]

Looks great! I find it amazing how Spielberg and Lucas (and Ford) seem to have captured the exact same feel as the other 3 Indy movies after all this time.

[Crusader]

Yeah that's amazing. I think Lucas and Spielberg seem to have learned some things from their past projects. I think from the trailer and the production stills you can tell that this is really a child of love that tries to transport all the fun of making it to the big screen.

[Randall Rudd]

I've been waiting for Jones to have a crack at the commies for a long time, and this is so awesome!

[Vipul Chandrashekar]

Guys we are less than a week away!!!

[Dasquian Belargic]

:crack

oh wait is this getting released at the same time internationally?

[General Dan]

Reviews on Rotten Tomatoes (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/indiana_jones_4/)

So far, so good. Cannes reception was generally quite warm, and most of the critics I browse seem to be enamored with it.

[Figrin D'an]

I fully expect some critics to rail on this film, for obvious reasons. I unfortunately won't be able to see it right away since I'll be traveling when it opens. I expect to get an Indy film that is the same in spirit as the others, but different in many other ways. We'll see if I'm right, and if that bothers some people who want this to be the second coming of "Raiders."

[General Dan]

Raiders is an unfathomably perfect adventure film and it's pretty unreasonable to expect lightning to be able to strike there again. I love all of the Indiana Jones movies, but anybody who honestly believes that Temple of Doom or the Last Crusade were equal to or superior to Raiders really should watch them again.

That said, this movie looks utterly camp and wonderful and I've been calling the whole Indy vs Commies thing for AGES and I'm so excited to see its almost here!!!

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Last Crusade has always been my favorite, but then its also the first one I ever saw. Mom and Dad took us kids to the theatre to watch it and it was such a fun time. :D

[Dasquian Belargic]

We just watched Last Crusade last night and I found myself with a new-found appreciation for it. Something about the ridiculousness of Sean Connery tickled me to no end :lol

[General Dan]

We just watched Last Crusade last night and I found myself with a new-found appreciation for it. Something about the ridiculousness of Sean Connery tickled me to no end :lol

My favorite part about Last Crusade is Julian Glover (ie, Walter Donovan) in a scene where he's corresponding with Nazi subordinates. Here is a British actor, talking in a cheesy American accent, and speaking German to Nazis, but doing it in a way that an American with a cheesy accent would do. You can understand the words he's saying to them, but the pronounciation is so deliciously horrible and butchered very appropriately for a character who probably got his german phrases from a travel book :lol

[jjwr]

Last Crusade is my favorite as well but its the first I saw and saw it in the theatre so its to be expected.

[Atreyu]

Last Crusade was my favourite when I was younger (was also the first one I saw) but nowadays Raiders is No. 1 for me knocking Last Crusade to 2nd (Temple of Doom is the least Indy film in my eyes, though it does have some great moments)

[Batdude]

Temple of Doom and Last Crusade are interchangeable to me. I like them about equally.

[Ryan Pode]

Got my ticket. Going to see this in about 5 hours.

[Ryan Pode]

I think I liked it. Gonna sleep on it then decide.

[Crusader]

You can understand the words he's saying to them, but the pronounciation is so deliciously horrible and butchered very appropriately for a character who probably got his german phrases from a travel book :lol

Talking about bad German: In the new movie is a horrible spelling issue with one of the German words standing written on a wall. A mistake that somone who has only slightly learned this language would not make. :D

But all in all a good movie!

[Jedi Master Carr]

I saw it this afternoon. I enjoyed it at least better than Temple of Doom. I liked the Indy-Marion moments.

[Saladin]

Saw it. Had some very nice set pieces, but overall I found it disappointing - a few notches below Temple of Doom if you disregard the awful blonde bimbo.

I kept thinking, "Okay, this could still turn out to be good," up until the final thirty minutes. And then I lost all hope.

It didn't have the nails-on-chalkboard awkwardness of Doom. It was just incredibly bland and uninspiring. Much like the Star Wars prequels, I'm afraid. :\

[Jedi Master Carr]

You see I hated Temple of doom. I can't even watch that movie again for various reasons. I thought KOTCS was much better than that film. Now it doesn't touch the two classic films at all.

[Turbogeek]

Saw it. Had some very nice set pieces, but overall I found it disappointing - a few notches below Temple of Doom if you disregard the awful blonde bimbo.

I kept thinking, "Okay, this could still turn out to be good," up until the final thirty minutes. And then I lost all hope.

It didn't have the nails-on-chalkboard awkwardness of Doom. It was just incredibly bland and uninspiring. Much like the Star Wars prequels, I'm afraid. :\

Yeah he's got it pretty right. It's a nothing film - a few funny bits but full of mneh. It's a good way to pass a few hours but it's not particularly good. Dunno why they bothered really.

[Rutabaga]

I remember last summer, when I was the complete oddball when it came to Spider-Man 3. Everyone here thought it was great, I thought it was terrible.

I guess I'm going to be the oddball again this year. So far the reactions to KOTCS posted here have been ho-hum, and I enjoyed the film immensely. I knew it wasn't going to be as good as Raiders--nothing could be--but my main hopes were 1) it would be better than Temple of Doom, and 2) I would be entertained and have fun. And it delivered on both counts for me.

I have been surfing online the last couple of days and I have seen the absolute hysterical shredding this movie has been getting at places like Rotten Tomatoes. Part of me wants to tell some of those people to just relax, in the end it's only a movie. Yes, certain moments are a little over the top--the lead-lined refrigerator was definitely one of those moments, but was it any more over the top than some of the stuff seen in the earlier movies, particularly Temple of Doom? As one of my parents said (can't remember whether it was Mom or Dad), "It wasn't as silly as jumping out of an airplane with nothing but a life raft to break your fall."

The element of the movie that seems to be absolutely enraging and infuriating some people is the interdimensional beings/aliens. I guess I really am a complete and utter oddball, because I liked that part of the movie, it didn't bother me at all. I'm old enough to remember Chariots of the Gods, and I have enough of a passing familiarity with the folklore around that part of South America to have not been surprised by that part of the story. Plus, if the first 3 movies were supposed to be evocative of the kinds of movies that were popular in the 30's, then this movie, set in 1957, was being evocative of the kinds of movies that were popular in the 50's. The Day The Earth Stood Still, anyone? My father is my critical barometer at times like this, because he's an impatient sort that isn't impressed with much. I asked him if this part of the story bothered him or seemed silly to him, and his immediate response was, "No."

Please don't think I'm trying to start a debate, or to change the mind of anyone who was let down by or didn't like the movie. Everyone's opinions are simply that--opinions. I just wanted to put some positive comments about the movie here just to add my voice to the conversation, and at least here at SWFans, I know my opinion will be respected. (At least I hope so! ;)) I won't dare to post it at Rotten Tomatoes...at that place, differing opinions are NOT respected, and people are ridiculed all the time if they disagree with the overriding opinion of the bullies and trolls that post there. That's why I quit posting there a long, long time ago.

Oh, and for the record, as much as I enjoyed KOTCS, Iron Man is still my favorite movie of the summer so far. :)

Wow, I didn't realize this post was going to go on so long...so my apologies if I bored anyone. :lol

[Jedi Master Carr]

Heh np I actually did enjoy it, I just didn't give much a detailed review of it. I did like Iron Man better, but I still think The Dark Knight is going to be my favorite summer movie, mainly because I am a big Batman fan. About the aliens, I didn't mind it that much. It was different but how is it different than the other films? They all have some outlandish stuff in them.

[Rutabaga]

Heh np I actually did enjoy it, I just didn't give much a detailed review of it. I did like Iron Man better, but I still think The Dark Knight is going to be my favorite summer movie, mainly because I am a big Batman fan. About the aliens, I didn't mind it that much. It was different but how is it different than the other films? They all have some outlandish stuff in them.

Exactly...there has been a supernatural element to each film, and I don't see how this one was any different. Perhaps more blatant, but still not all that different.

I forgot to mention that I just loved all the Indy/Marion moments. They simply sparkled, and everyone in the theater laughed at their bickering. And, of course, I love the fact that they got married in the end...they have always belonged together. :love

[Crusader]

Yeah the last sequence after the typical "What the hell?" Indy ending was fantastic and it worked great for me.
If I had been told that Indy gets married at the end of this movie I would have thought that this is not going to work but thankfully they do not only get away with it infact it is one of the best scenes in the movie. Especially when they hint the fifth episode when Indy insists on keeping his hat.

So all in all me, my friends and family really enjoyed this movie. I can't wait to watch it for the second time.

[CMJ]

I thought it was fun. Not really sure where I'd rank it to be honest. In some ways it feels divorced from the other three in the series. Actually I kind of feel like the Indiana Jones Series is two different trilogies.

The first trilogy is made up of of Temple of Doom, Raiders of the Lost Ark, and The Last Crusade. These all feature an Indiana Jones that's in his late 30's/early 40's(as an aside: does anyone know how old is he anyways? - I'm guessing he was probably born around 1897-ish - so he'd be about 60 in Crystal Skull) and all have religious overtones.

The second trilogy is made up of Raiders, Crusade, & Crystal Skull. They seem to flow better thematically as far as the characters being interconnected. TOD is in many ways it's own story - no characters cross pollinate the other films...and one has the impression he spent a great deal of time in Asia prior to 1935(since he had 2 solid contacts there, including one he almost rears like a son....btw...WTF ever happened to Short Round anyways??).

The series has always stretched credibility - and not just with the spirtual angles. The action sequences have always had a bit of a "you've got to be kidding me" factor. Skull definitely has some huge leaps...arguably way more than in any of the others - even with some of the crazy ***** in TOD.

Anyways, getting back to a point. The first half I thought was quite strong. The second half, credibility issues bugged me more than I liked, but I went with it. Still alot of fun though. I'd probably rank this slightly higher than TOD, but I'm not sure - I've grown to really appreciate TOD over the years. Wheras I used to be quite critical, alot of the bits REALLY work...and the nods to Gunga Din are a treat to film lovers of that era.

[Jedi Master Carr]

According to the tv series, he was born in 1899. I think they based that off he was 17 when he joined the French foreign Legion in WW I.

[Rutabaga]

I thought it was 1898, but what difference does a year make? ;)

I liked the fact that they made a reference back to an episode of Young Indiana Jones at one point, with Indy's story about Pancho Villa. I guess they've now made the TV series canon, eh?

Good analysis, CMJ, you brought up a couple of points about the previous movies that I hadn't thought of before. And yes, for heaven's sake, what did ever happen to Short Round? (Not that I care all that much, cute kid, but kind of silly.)

Oh, and my mum told me that if I did any more posting about the movie to say that she enjoyed this one so much that she's ready for a fifth movie, so get cracking! :)

[Jedi Master Carr]

I thought it was 1898, but what difference does a year make? ;)

I liked the fact that they made a reference back to an episode of Young Indiana Jones at one point, with Indy's story about Pancho Villa. I guess they've now made the TV series canon, eh?

Good analysis, CMJ, you brought up a couple of points about the previous movies that I hadn't thought of before. And yes, for heaven's sake, what did ever happen to Short Round? (Not that I care all that much, cute kid, but kind of silly.)

heh they should have had him and others make cameos at the end. I really wish they could have gotten John-Rhys Davies back for just a cameo he should have been at the wedding since he knew them both

[Sanis Prent]

CMJ hit it on the head.

This movie is a bit of a segue if you consider Raiders & Last Crusade to be thematically close, which they are.

Quality ranking these films is a bit simple to me. Raiders of the Lost Ark is unmatchable in every way. Every other Indy film (including this one) is equally enjoyable to me. They're all massive action adventure films and extremely fun.

In short, I loved it! It's hokey, but not unnecessarily. It's smack dab in the very hokey 1950's, and you have thick slices of it with commies, atoms, red scare, greasers, etc so it does feel different, but not in a way that makes it unrecognizable. You never doubt that this is Indiana Jones, and that you are going to be in for a wild ride :D

[CMJ]

And yes, for heaven's sake, what did ever happen to Short Round? (Not that I care all that much, cute kid, but kind of silly.)

The only reason I do care was Indiana's story about finding him on the streets, and basically adopting him. So a year later time wise - he's nowhere to be found in Raiders. Even if you forgive that by saying TOD was a prequel and all of that, we don't even get a reference in Crusade! It has kinda bothered me...where did Short Round go. I almost wanted him to show up in Crystal Skull is some capacity, since he'd be in his mid 30's. With the way Indiana apparently dropped him, I could see Short Round turning into some sort of nefarious scientist like an arch villain. Lame? Perhaps, but that's the kind of stuff that would work in a serial-esque type of story like IJ.

If a 5th movie happens write Short Round in. :p

[CMJ]

Some further thoughts Are we going to get a more flat-out iconic shot this year than Indy watching the nuclear blast? Not likely. I also liked the subtext with Indiana in the abandoned 50's town. He REALLY looked out of place in the cookie cutter world, didn't he? Sort of a hidden way of implying, that even though he DOES get married, he'll never be at home in a stable, family atmosphere.

Starting the fight between the greasers and the jocks...and the ensuing chase was probably my favorite sequence. THAT was Indiana Jones. Old school stunt work, reminiscent of the originals. And a sly nod to the comedic fight in 1941 as well.

My major complaints were Mutt's Tarzan impression, and maybe even more WTF - the sword fight at full speed thru a jungle. I mean, I just didn't see any way that they'd be able to do that. It was as "no freaking way" as the fall from the plane in the life raft in TOD.

[Sanis Prent]

The greasers vs jocks was completely awesome. That sort of rollicking action is what makes the films so awesome.

I especially loved the sliding motorcycle through the library and subsequent archaeology tip little things like that just make me melt.

I agree about the mushroom cloud that was such an awesome shot.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Hehe Charley I thought that this movie might have given you nightmares. ;)

I liked it a lot - its the adventure story we have come to expect from Indiana Jones, but obviously set in the 50s, not the 30s. So instead of a story that could have been written in the 30s, we get something from the 50s, with aliens, etc. I thought it was great. :) Obviously not the strongest of the series, but still a lot of fun and worth going to see.

I'm with Rutabaga, I loved the dialogue between Indy and Marion - just great. :)

[Sanis Prent]

Hehe Charley I thought that this movie might have given you nightmares. ;)


They weren't really classic greys, which are what I'm mortally afraid of. I mean the skull was creepy as hell, true, but I wasn't too upset by it to not watch.

[Rutabaga]

And yes, for heaven's sake, what did ever happen to Short Round? (Not that I care all that much, cute kid, but kind of silly.)

The only reason I do care was Indiana's story about finding him on the streets, and basically adopting him. So a year later time wise - he's nowhere to be found in Raiders. Even if you forgive that by saying TOD was a prequel and all of that, we don't even get a reference in Crusade! It has kinda bothered me...where did Short Round go. I almost wanted him to show up in Crystal Skull is some capacity, since he'd be in his mid 30's. With the way Indiana apparently dropped him, I could see Short Round turning into some sort of nefarious scientist like an arch villain. Lame? Perhaps, but that's the kind of stuff that would work in a serial-esque type of story like IJ.

If a 5th movie happens write Short Round in. :p

Don't get me wrong, I like Short Round--I'm known to use the phrase "You listen to Short Round more, you live longer!" every once in a while--but to me he was a character that just didn't totally work. Still, it would be fun to find out what happened to him, that's for sure.

I also agree with the comments about Indy staring at the mushroom cloud. I thought that--visually and viscerally--it was one of the most striking images ever in an Indiana Jones movie. I also loved the greaser vs. jocks scene, all I could think was, he may be older, but Indy sure still knows how to create an effective diversion! :lol

Mutt playing Tarzan was definitely silly, but I enjoyed that. And I also loved the swordfight scene between Mutt and Spalko, as ridiculous as it was. It all goes back to the entertainment factor, which to me, this movie had plenty of. :)

[Rutabaga]

BTW, here's another Foxtrot funny for you:

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb164/Rutabaga64/foxtrotindy2.gif

[Locksmith]

Hmm, saw it, it was fun, but, it wasn't an Indy movie to me. I say that because, well, he didn't actually accomplish anything, and the end result would have been the same without him. I loved it right up until the alien skull. It lost me completely at that point.

[CMJ]

Hmm, saw it, it was fun, but, it wasn't an Indy movie to me. I say that because, well, he didn't actually accomplish anything, and the end result would have been the same without him. I loved it right up until the alien skull. It lost me completely at that point.

What did he accomplish in Raiders or Crusade?

[General Dan]

Hmm, saw it, it was fun, but, it wasn't an Indy movie to me. I say that because, well, he didn't actually accomplish anything, and the end result would have been the same without him. I loved it right up until the alien skull. It lost me completely at that point.

What did he accomplish in Raiders or Crusade?

Exactly. Indy movies are all about the journey. He pretty much never bags his prize.

Think about it:

The Muhashi Urn was taken by crime bosses.

The Sankhara stones mostly fell in a river and the one that was recovered went to a village.

The Chatopoyan Fertility Idol was taken by Belloch and sold to whoever in Marrakesh.

The Ark of the Covenant was taken by the OSS / US Government / Whoever

The Grail was carried past the marker and lost forever.

The only item I think that Indy has ever been able to actually nab was the Cross of Coronado, and that only took him half his life to get, lol.

He doesn't exactly have a high batting average :) But who cares he's Indiana Jones!

[Chartis]

I loved it right up until the alien skull. It lost me completely at that point.

Yeah that was when we all went, "Huh?" and started squirming in our seats. :(

[Cat X]

Oh for crying out loud the Nuke end scene is iconic? Only if your not groaning at how utterly awful the proceeding "Hide in a Fridge and get blown half a kilometer" nonsense came out. And yes I understand the concept of suspense of belief. But really, there's checking your brain at the door and then there okay this is LESS believeable than Bush finding weapons of Mass Destruction and twice as stupid. And dont get me started on the end witht he saucer ripping up a mountain and throwing tons of crap everywhere, while Indy lust stands there unscathed. Where's the suspense and sense of real adventure / danger?

There's nothing iconic or special about this movie .

Where on earth was the sense of real adventure? Where in fact was a coherent script???? Where was anything other than Ford just phoning his lines in?

Yeah it's a good waste of a few hours but the heart and soul and shher fun of previous films was just plain not there - which leaves a bunch of vaguely interconnected nonsense that doesnt stand up really well

[General Dan]

nevermind, I'll do this elsewhere

[CMJ]

I said SHOT, not scene Marcus.

As a shot, there's alot of symbolism there. The day of the bullwhip and revolver is over forever, and the adventurer like Jones is becoming obselete.