College Basketball

[CMJ]

Season starts tommorrow...although most teams are playing enhibition games for another few days. Just thought I'd get a thread started.

[jediSamson]

AHHH, the only sport, other than soccer, I TRUELY, care about. Need I say GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!! yeah, thats right girls and guy's IF (IF) the Tar Heels stay healthy it is a Championship in the bank. READ MY LIPS CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!!!!!!!!I see them loosing 5-8 games this year but they will go undefeted when it counts . sorry, The The Heels get me all kinds of crazy!!!!!!!! Samson, and myself are going to a friend of mine house who is like 85 and a HUGE!!!! heels fan and we are going to watch Samsons First heels game with him. NOV14 BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!TYLER RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CMJ]

I actually like UCLA this year. And that's NOT because I live in Los Angeles. I actually am pretty nuetral on the Bruins.

[jediSamson]

I actually like UCLA this year. And that's NOT because I live in Los Angeles. I actually am pretty nuetral on the Bruins.thought you were in texas?? Ok, had I been gone that long? Anywho, to be honest, if there were no Heels there would be several teams that would have a legitmate chance at the crown this year and i'd say UCLA would have stood just as much a chance as anyone.

[CMJ]

I'm from Texas yes, but I've resided in LA for 5 years now. Trying to pursue the whole film thing ya know. ;)

I have hopes for my own alma mater this year to win conference. I think Coach Jones finally has a team that can do it.

[CMJ]

Maryland wins the Coaches vs Cancer tournament. All the other early season tourney's will be played in the next week or two, so we should stat to get indications who is gonna be strong.

[jediSamson]

well, really thought CMJ would pump this up(with UCLA being #1and all ), so i'll do it. Guess everyone knows my Heels beat up on Ohio state (well they won anyway) but I still cant get over the Gonzagna loss, the first game in a long time I had to pull for the other team. I knew in the first 5 minutes that the heels were going to try and play like an NBA team (in which they do spell team with an i ) so a loss they deserve and should have gotten, would have been better had the Zags blew them out. The freshman needed a lesson on how REAL basketball is played and better now than in march. And people are to hyped up aboout Oden finally playing for Ohio st. Had he played last night, Hansborogh, would had gotten the best of him as he did in high school and the only thing that kept Ohio st in it were the three's so...Oden no factor either way.And yet again the Acc proves why they are and always will be the premiere conference.

[CMJ]

We've had 2 number 1's go down already, if you count tOSU(who was only #1 in one poll). I wonder if UCLA will be top ranked in both now. It doesn't get much easier for the Bruins. First the Hawaii tourney, now top 10 Texas A&M next Saturday.

[CMJ]

Figured I'd dig this thread up to brag a bit. My alma mater, UNT is 11-3 and off to it's best start since the 1976-1977 campaign!

:D

[jediSamson]

well. Knight passed The all time, greatest coach (rise as you read his name) DEAN SMITH. Really bites, hope most of the people that really know zilch about College basketball Understands it took Knight 41 years to get where he is and (rise as you read his name)DEAN SMITH only 36 . Far as im concerned Knight is a pretender to the throne .

[CMJ]

Actually, I'd say Wooden is the greatest coach.

[jediSamson]

Actually, I'd say Wooden is the greatest coach.well, he's without a doubt a close 2nd, but when time allows i'll give you couple of examples as to how his, title's, wins etc isnt up to snuff with (rise to your feet) DEAN SMITH .

[Figrin D'an]

Like Knight himself has said, he doesn't really care about the record in terms of his own legacy, it's more a testament to the players he's had over the years than anything. So, in that respect, I really don't care about this record either. Knight will likely get surpassed in the future by Mike Krzyzewski anyway.

I'm no fan of Bobby Knight. I think he's a jackass that has gotten away with far too many things over the years because of his on-court success. However, I'm not going to deny that he's a damn good basketball coach. Best ever? No. Top 5? Probably.

[CMJ]

UCLA goes down to Oregon.

[jediSamson]

UCLA goes down to Oregon. I wasnt really shocked, but really didnt expect it either. On a brighter side Puke gets beat by VT!!!!! the best thing about Puke getting beat at home is seeing the faces of the Camron Idiots, its priceless!!!!!! And Clemson's unbeaten????? while I think that's great, it will not last in ACC play.

[CMJ]

Puke...aren't you clever? :rolleyes

I knew the Bruins wouldn't go undefeated, but I was expecting AZ to hand them loss #1.

And NT has lost the last 2 in a row. Figures... :p

[jediSamson]

Puke...aren't you clever? :rolleyes

I knew the Bruins wouldn't go undefeated, but I was expecting AZ to hand them loss #1.

And NT has lost the last 2 in a row. Figures... :pMe clever?? LOL!!!!! ;)

[Jedi Master Carr]

I am shocked Clemson is ubeaten. I know they won't beat Duke twice nor UNC twice for that matter. Still unless they have a complete collapse they should make the NCAA tourney for the first time since the traitor Barnes left.

[Ryan Pode]

Clemson will lose to Maryland. The game is at Maryland, hence why I say that.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Heh we will see. Honestly, I have no idea. I didn't think Clemson was this good. I figured they be a .500 team this year.

[jediSamson]

Heh we will see. Honestly, I have no idea. I didn't think Clemson was this good. I figured they be a .500 team this year.Clemson actually isnt that good, once they really get deep into acc play they will have more than their fair share of losses, shame though Clemson would be what you call my 2nd Fav team. Course I wouldnt mind being wrong :)

[Jedi Master Carr]

Clemson actually isnt that good, once they really get deep into acc play they will have more than their fair share of losses, shame though Clemson would be what you call my 2nd Fav team. Course I wouldnt mind being wrong :)

Well I figure they could have 8 losses when they are done with regular season. Of course that would give them 23 wins and they would defintely be in the NCAA tourney which is all I care about. Don't think they would go that far there though.

[jediSamson]

I have them at 10 losses this year (in my mind) although I do not think they are all that good i.e being the only undefeated team, i think they are talented enough to make it to the field of 32 depending on the selection.

[CMJ]

North Carolina goes down. Florida will probably retake the mantle of #1 on Monday.

[Ryan Pode]

Clemson will lose to Maryland. The game is at Maryland, hence why I say that.

Called it.

[CMJ]

Called it.


So did practically every pundit in the USA. :lol

[CMJ]

Amazingly we let this thread die during the heat of conference season. I decided to find it once Florida lost. Not sure who'll be #1 come Monday(I actually think the Gators may stay at #1).

[Ryan Pode]

Maryland beats UNC. 89-87.

[CMJ]

North Texas is having its most successful season in 20 years(the only time we went to the dance). And we have our most total wins since the late 70's.

I wish I was there to see it. Been listening to alot of games over the net! :D

[Jedi Master Carr]

That is cool :) I am curious about the #1 seeds right now. Two of them look very much up for grabs. Only Ohio State and UCLA have them locked down.

[CMJ]

Even with UCLA's loss I think they stay a #1. Ohio State is definitely the #1 team right now.

I'd say Kansas probably has the 3rd top seed as long as they make the Big XII final. No clue about the 4th. It could goto about 5 schools right now.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Yeah that is what I think. UCLA would have to lose the first game in the Big 10 to get eliminated. The last seed could go to a lot of schools I agree.

[CMJ]

We playing the the Sunbelt Tournament Final tommorrow night!

Not gonna be alot of people there since the host site isn't close to either campus, but who cares. Go Mean Green!!

[Jedi Master Carr]

That is very cool.

[Kaast Dulli]

my boys vcu just won the caa tourny.
go rams.

[CMJ]

We're Going Dancing

[Jedi Master Carr]

Very Cool :) Oh and Butler lost which will probably keep some team out of the NCAA tourney.

[Jedieb]

Congrats to Court and the Mean Green!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbup

[CMJ]

Thanks man...I'm like overdosing of happiness. :)

[Jedi Master Carr]

Several major upsets today, Maryland, Duke and UCLA. UCLA being the biggest. Not sure if they will get that #1 seed now. They still may but they aren't as certain. Duke, I am not surprised with they have been kind of up and down all year. They have a very young team. Still it wouldn't surprise me if they get beat in the first round.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I should have added Georgia Tech, man was that a wild game.

[CMJ]

The ACC period yesterday was nuts.

[Jedi Master Carr]

LOL that is for sure. The only wild game today has been the BC-Miami game, which BC survived in OT.

[CMJ]

That Kentucky/Mississippi game in the SEC was crazy too.

[Figrin D'an]

I'm holding out hope that Purdue can get into the field of 64. They beat Iowa today in the Big Ten Tournament impressively, but have to play Ohio State in the semifinals. If they can at least keep it close, that may be enough, but it's hard to say that this point. If they somehow win, they'd definitely be in, but I'm not expecting that to happen.

[CMJ]

I'm actually way more interested in watching the Mid Major conferences...hoping for some upsets to improve NT's seeding. :lol:

[Ryan Pode]

Here's a question. Say N.C. State plays in the ACC championship (and plays well), they are 16-14 right now. If they got to the championship, they'd be 17-14,and 17-15 if they loss (if they won they'd get the automatic bid), with a conference record at 5-11 with a RPI inside the top 100. Do they think that is enough to get them to make the top 65?

[CMJ]

Here's a question. Say N.C. State plays in the ACC championship (and plays well), they are 16-14 right now. If they got to the championship, they'd be 17-14,and 17-15 if they loss (if they won they'd get the automatic bid), with a conference record at 5-11 with a RPI inside the top 100. Do they think that is enough to get them to make the top 65?

Not even close.

[Jedi Master Carr]

About an hour and half to go till selection Sunday. Should be very interesting to see who gets in.

[CMJ]

I just wanna see where we end up.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Hopefully you won't be a 16. Not too much longer.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I disagree with Florida being the best team. Ohio State looks like the best team to me. Of course it doesn't matter, I think a lower ranked team will win again this year. I think the seeds are getting more and more meaningless. I mean that a 1-4 can win easily now.

[Figrin D'an]

Well, Purdue got in as the #9 seed in the Midwest bracket, so I'm happy about that. I think they have a chance to win their opening round game against Arizona. Then they'll get destroyed by Florida. But, at least it's tournament experience.

[Jedi Master Carr]

That Midwest bracket looks tough. I wouldn't want to play Oregon right now. Would love to see Oregon and Notre Dame play that game could get close to 100 with the way those teams play offense.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I predict now VCU will beat Duke. I just think Duke isn't playing very well right now.

[Jedi Master Carr]

North Carolina is going to have a nightmare road to the Final Four. Georgetown and Texas in there. Not to mention that second round match up against either Marquette or Michigan State won't be easy.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I am shocked Syarcuse got snubbed. Sorry CMJ you guys got Memphis although that is better than Ohio State. Personally, I think none of the #1 seeds have it easy. Each Bracket is almost equally tough though the West looks a little stronger.

[CMJ]

Memphis is about all I could've hoped for.

[Ryan Pode]

I'm trying to figure how Standford got in.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I agree a team with a 18-12 record doesn't belong over Drexel and Syracuse. I think Lousiville will win that game. They keep saying they are dangerous. Dangerous? They have lost 5 of their last six and got beat up by USC.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Memphis is about all I could've hoped for.

Actually I thought they would get Ohio State the way things were shaking out so Memphis at least you guys have a chance at beating.

[CMJ]

Stanford got in because the PAC-10 was so strong this year. They did beat UCLA which helped.

I think Memphis is the weakest #2. Still our odds are very long, but I don't care!! :)

[Jedi Master Carr]

I know but I don't like seeing teams winning 18 games in the tourney (unless its a conference tournement winner). I would have booted Stanford and Arkansas and put in Drexel and Syracuse.

[Ryan Pode]

Yeah. I had about 4 or 5 teams I would have liked to have seen, other than 18-12 Stanford.

[Jedi Master Carr]

If anybody would like to fill out a bracket, I made one for our site here
http://games.espn.go.com/tcmen/group?entryIDFrom=251500
if you have to search for Swfansnet password vader.

[Kaast Dulli]

I predict now VCU will beat Duke. I just think Duke isn't playing very well right now.


hell yeah, VCU will beat duke . go rams.

[jediSamson]

hell yeah, VCU will beat duke . go rams.While that would be nice, aint going to happen. I normally pull for any and all acc teams when the tourny starts but after coach K's and dukes actions after Henderson, On purpose, hit Tyler in the nose, i have no use for them, acc or not. Duke will be on their game and i wouldn't be surprised it they make it to the sweet 16. Actually looks as if we will have at least 5 acc teams in the sweet sixteen. And can anyone tell me what the big deal is about that over rated, over hyped Oden from Ohio state is about?? I mean, come on, what has he done against anyone 6'9 or better, NOTHING.Anytime he has played anyone with any size he gets shut down.The only thing carrying the Buckeyes is their outside shooting.
Final four: Maryland/Georgia tech(maybe Wisc over gt IF they play their style of ball)UNC/ VA If im reading my bracket right.

National champs: The Heels, of course

[Figrin D'an]

Yeah... someone sure has been drinking the ACC kool-aide.


I haven't filled out brackets yet, but I have a few lingering thoughts on the tournament...

... I'm thinking a #1 seed could fall in the second round this year. Based on the potential matchups, I think it's possible for Kansas to get pushed by Villanova, and North Carolina needs to watch out for the Marquette/Michigan State winner. I could see Florida having some issues with Purdue's tenacity on defense should they beat Arizona in the first round, but not enough to derail them. Ohio State has the easiest road to the Sweet 16 out of the #1 seeds.

... everyone seems to be on the Winthrop bandwagon as being this year's potential George Mason. They're good, and they have a shot, but they're opening round game against Notre Dame will not be easy, and they could easily get bombed by Oregon in the second round. If they get to the Sweet 16, they can beat Wisconsin, then we'll see if they can stack up against Florida. That's a lot of ifs though.

... I think Memphis will lose to Nevada in the second round, and if not, they'll get destroyed by Texas A&M in the Sweet 16. They got fat on an easy schedule, and they're going to pay for it in the tournament.

... I think Oral Roberts can beat Washington State.

... there will be less upsets (by seeding #) than normal, but the upsets that do happen will be huge. (Ala a #1 losing the second round, a #14 beating a #3, etc).

... I will probably be completely wrong about all of this, because I haven't won a tournament pool in about 8 years.

[Ryan Pode]

I picked a bracket based on the mascot of the school. Whether it was original or not and which would win in a fight. My final four wound up being:

UNC Tar Heels v. Texas A&M Aggies
Maryland Terrapins v. Southern Illinois Salukis.

A Saluki is an Egyptian guard dog for those of you that don't know.

I did have North Texas upset Memphis, but the Mean Green (I picture some sort of green goat thing for some reason), lose to the Aggies because frankly, I have no clue what an Aggie is.

[Jedi Master Carr]

My final four ended up being
Oregon vs Southern Illinois
Ohio State vs Georgetown
And I am picking Georgetown to win it all.

[CMJ]

I picked a bracket based on the mascot of the school. Whether it was original or not and which would win in a fight. My final four wound up being:

UNC Tar Heels v. Texas A&M Aggies
Maryland Terrapins v. Southern Illinois Salukis.

A Saluki is an Egyptian guard dog for those of you that don't know.

I did have North Texas upset Memphis, but the Mean Green (I picture some sort of green goat thing for some reason), lose to the Aggies because frankly, I have no clue what an Aggie is.

Mean Green Eagles. ;)

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a14/cdh724/NCAA%20Logos/North_Texas_Icon.jpg


An Aggie is a Farmer basically.

[Ryan Pode]

Mean Green Goats are faaar more intimidating. Everyone is an eagle.

[CMJ]

Well we were Eagles before we were the "Mean Green". That was a nickname given to our defense in football back in the late 60's, early 70's(when Joe Greene of the Steelers played for us). It eventually became a moniker all of our sports teams used.

[Ryan Pode]

Oh. Mean Green sounds better. Scarier.


If anybody would like to fill out a bracket, I made one for our site here
http://games.espn.go.com/tcmen/group?entryIDFrom=251500
if you have to search for Swfansnet password vader.

I joined. So that makes two members.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Heh finally. I am in another bracket that has more members, luckily. Well if that is at least we will have two members :p
I am going to start a pick um and see who participates.

[jediSamson]

I tried to find your bracket but couldn't, or im so doing something wrong, which wouldn't be a surprise ;)

[Jedi Master Carr]

Yeah it won't let you enter it from there. Maybe you have to be signed in to view that page.
Go here
http://games.espn.go.com/tcmen/frontpage
and search for Swfansnet password vader.

[Kaast Dulli]

While that would be nice, aint going to happen. I normally pull for any and all acc teams when the tourny starts but after coach K's and dukes actions after Henderson, On purpose, hit Tyler in the nose, i have no use for them, acc or not. Duke will be on their game and i wouldn't be surprised it they make it to the sweet 16.


oh snap, samson your bracket is shot now. VCU shocked the world. we have great guards, as duke found out thursday.haha:lol

"are you a fan of the rams? say yes i am."

[jediSamson]

oh snap, samson your bracket is shot now. VCU shocked the world. we have great guards, as duke found out thursday.haha:lol

"are you a fan of the rams? say yes i am.":lol , you aint kidding shot like a machine gun. Never thought in a million years it would have happened. But, it couldn't have happened to a nicer team :lol

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Did you see Oregon spank everyone in the Pac Ten Conference Finals? :D Then barely won against Miami yesterday. ^_^; Fingers crossed they're in it for a while!

[Figrin D'an]

This has been probably the most vanilla tournament I can remember in terms of lack of first round upsets. Only 5 lower seeds won their games... three 9s (which aren't really upsets) and two 11s, neither of which were really big surprises (Winthrop over Notre Dame, VCU over Duke). My guess is, we'll see some fairly big upsets today and tomorrow. I'm still thinking that a #1 seed could go down in the 2nd round. Xavier is playing Ohio State very tough right now, Kentucky is at least capable of playing with Kansas, as is Michigan State with North Carolina. Either of the 11-seeds could win their games as well.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Just when we thought it was vanilla, Xavier has Ohio State on the ropes.

[Jedi Master Carr]

If Xavier had made that foul shot they would have pulled off a heck of an upset.

[jediSamson]

I soooooooooooo hate announcers. They just couldn't stop bragging about Oden, who actually did NOTHING more than the average player and has YET to do more than the average player. The most dominant player in college basket ball, what a load of crock.



somone needs to remind me why i filled out a bracket????? :( Powerfully bad.

[CMJ]

I know hardly anyone follows it unless your school is in it, but the NIT is down to the end. And Carr's alma mater is headed to NY!

[Jedi Master Carr]

Yep, I watched the game, at least they started playing better now :) If they hadn't dropped all those games towards the end though they could have been in the NCAA and could have been dangerous.

[CMJ]

Personally I'd rather win the NIT than be one and done in the NCAA's(though getting to the Big Dance for us was amazing this year). But if you win the NIT...get a cool trophy...hang a banner, etc..

[Jedi Master Carr]

Personally I'd rather win the NIT than be one and done in the NCAA's(though getting to the Big Dance for us was amazing this year). But if you win the NIT...get a cool trophy...hang a banner, etc..

Yeah that is true, plus if you got a young team, which Clemson is, it could help the following season.

[CMJ]

Very true, where an early exit might not. Tournament experience is tournemnt expereince no matter the tourney. It's like A&M. They made the quarterfinals of the NIT 2 years ago with a young squad. Last year they make the 2nd round of NCAA's(after upsetting Syracuse), and this year at least the Sweet 16...with a team full of seniors.

[jediSamson]

No matter how you say it,spin it,view it Kentucky is firing Tubby Smith and all I can say is they are a bunch of idiots. And im far from being a Tubby Smith fan.

[Jedi Master Carr]

He probably also got tired of the pressure. They are going to have a tough time finding a coach of his caliber.

[CMJ]

Clemson vs WVU for the NIT. Both 1 point games. If the NCAA semis are this good we're in for a show on Saturday.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Both games were very competive games. Air Force sure didn't quit. I got worried there for a second about that in bounds pass.

[CMJ]

That Mississippi State/WVU ending was unreal. And if the AFA had been able to somehow get a steal at the end, it mighta topped it. They were down about 7 with 30 seconds to go weren't they?

[Jedi Master Carr]

That Mississippi State/WVU ending was unreal. And if the AFA had been able to somehow get a steal at the end, it mighta topped it. They were down about 7 with 30 seconds to go weren't they?
I believe so, Clemson had a 4 Point lead with 4 seconds to go. That would have been unbelievable if Air force had won after that.

[CMJ]

AF had alot of breaks go against them too. I can' remember how many of their shots seemed to rim out, while Clemson got alot of friendly rolls. Neither squad could shoot FT worth a lick tho.

[Jedi Master Carr]

AF had alot of breaks go against them too. I can' remember how many of their shots seemed to rim out, while Clemson got alot of friendly rolls. Neither squad could shoot FT worth a lick tho.
I know that is why it didn't hurt Clemson because AF couldn't hit them either. AF did have some bad breaks and Clemson shot great from the 3PT Line.

[CMJ]

I think WVU is more fundamentally sound than Clemson, but yall have better athletes. The NIT committe sure picked the right #1 seeds. Not much seperated the 4.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I think it will be a good game. We will see what happens.

[CMJ]

West Virginia dominated play, but Clemson made a last minute charge to lose by 5. If they started that run at the 4 minutes mark, you mighta stolen this one.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Yeah they waitied too late to try to get back in the game. Oh well at least they made the final.

[CMJ]

I'd say Clemson still had a helluva season. Yall tied the most wins in school history.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I didnt' realze that. The best season I could remember was back in the 80's when they made it to the sweet 16.

[CMJ]

Didn't yall make the Sweet 16 in 1990? Connecticut won on that buzzer beater(and then Duke returned the favor in the Elite Eight).

[Kaast Dulli]

so what, pit won the nit. that makes them the 66th best team in college basketball....

[CMJ]

so what, pit won the nit. that makes them the 66th best team in college basketball....

First off.....it was West Virginia, not Pittsburgh.

Secondly the NIT Champion typically is arguably better than half the NCAA field. Hell West Virginia beat UCLA this year, not exactly a slouch school. It's still a big deal.

Last year South Carolina(the NIT champ) SWEPT Florida. I'd rather win the NIT than be one and done in the NCAA tournament. Hell unless you're gonna make the Sweet 16 give me the NIT Championship.

Getting into the NCAA's > Getting into NIT or winning in rounds 1 or 2
Making NIT Final Four in NY > than getting to "the Dance" and losing 1st round
Winning 1st Round NCAA's > Making it to NY in the NIT or making NIT Finals
Winning NIT > Winning 1st round NCAA's
Making Sweet 16 or further > than anything NIT

All in my humble opinion. But to add onto my point, the latest Sagarin computer rankings now have West Virginia at #18 in the country.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Didn't yall make the Sweet 16 in 1990? Connecticut won on that buzzer beater(and then Duke returned the favor in the Elite Eight).

Yeah, I thought it was 1989 for some reason. I remember that last second shot by Burrell. That was pretty heartbreaking.