NFL Pick'em Week 1: Jedieb Defends His Title!

[Jedieb]

Alright losers, let the battle for second place begin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rules
1. There are NO rules! :evil
2. Okay, maybe there are a few rules.
3. Thursday's pick can be made in a seperate post. Get your pick in before Thrusday, 8:30 PM EST.
4. The rest of the picks must be in by 1:00 PM ET on Sunday, that includes Sunday afternoon and Monday night games.
5. If you happen to miss a game or two I will simply count that game as a loss to keep your win and loss total even with everyone else.
6. Please cut and paste your picks from the schedule I post. It just makes it easier to keep track of everything.

Thursday, Sep. 7
Miami at Pittsburgh 8:30 p.m.

Sunday, Sep. 10
Atlanta at Carolina 1 p.m.
Baltimore at Tampa Bay 1 p.m.
Buffalo at New England 1 p.m.
Cincinnati at Kansas City 1 p.m.
Denver at St. Louis 1 p.m.
New Orleans at Cleveland 1 p.m.
N.Y. Jets at Tennessee 1 p.m.
Philadelphia at Houston 1 p.m.
Seattle at Detroit 1 p.m.
Chicago at Green Bay 4:15 p.m.
Dallas at Jacksonville 4:15 p.m.
Niners at Arizona 4:15 p.m.
Colts at N.Y. Giants 8:15 p.m.

Monday, Sep. 11
Minnesota at Washington 7 p.m.
San Diego at Oakland 10:15 p.m.

Good luck and MTFBWY.

[Liam Jinn]

Thursday
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Pittsburgh

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Sunday
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Carolina
Baltimore
New England
Cincinnati
Denver
New Orleans
Tennessee
Seattle
Chicago
Dallas
Arizona
Colts
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Monday
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Washington
San Deigo

[Katarina Gordislava]

This is Lilaena De'Ville, btw, forgot what name I was signed in as. :uhoh

Thursday, Sep. 7
Miami at Pittsburgh WIN

Sunday, Sep. 10
Atlanta at Carolina WIN
Baltimore at Tampa BayWIN
Buffalo at New England WIN
Cincinnati WINat Kansas City
Denver WINat St. Louis
New Orleans at ClevelandWIN
N.Y. Jets at TennesseeWIN
PhiladelphiaWIN at Houston
SeattleWIN at Detroit
Chicago at Green BayWIN
Dallas at Jacksonville WIN
Niners WIN at Arizona
ColtsWIN at N.Y. Giants

Monday, Sep. 11
Minnesota WINat Washington
San Diego at Oakland WIN

[Nathanial K'cansce]

Oh man, the first few weeks are crap-shoots and basically flips of coins. With that said...


Thursday, Sep. 7
WIN Miami at Pittsburgh

Sunday, Sep. 10
Atlanta at Carolina WIN
WIN Baltimore at Tampa Bay
Buffalo at New England WIN
Cincinnati at Kansas City WIN
WIN Denver at St. Louis
New Orleans at Cleveland WIN
WIN N.Y. Jets at Tennessee
WIN Philadelphia at Houston
WIN Seattle at Detroit
WIN Chicago at Green Bay
Dallas at Jacksonville WIN
Niners at Arizona WIN
WIN Colts at N.Y. Giants

Monday, Sep. 11
Minnesota at Washington WIN
WIN San Diego at Oakland

[Liam Jinn]

Well, I did mine wrong, but mneh - I'll do it right next time. Those teams I posted are the ones that I'm picking to win... sorry for posting it wrong.

[sirdizzy]

may change before game time

Miami
Carolina
Tampa Bay
New England
Kansas City
Denver
Cleveland
Tennessee
Philadelphia
Seattle
Chicago
Jacksonville
Arizona
Colts
Washington
San Diego

[Jedi Master Carr]

Big Ben won't be playing Thursday. He had an emergency appendectomy today. Now I am not too sure who to take with the Miami game.

[Ryan Pode]

Thursday, Sep. 7
Miami Win at Pittsburgh

Sunday, Sep. 10
Atlanta at Carolina Win
Baltimore Win at Tampa Bay
Buffalo at New England Win
Cincinnati Win at Kansas City
Denver at St. Louis Win
New Orleans at Cleveland Win
N.Y. Jets at Tennessee Win
Philadelphia Win at Houston
Seattle Win at Detroit
Chicago at Green Bay Win
Dallas at Jacksonville Win
Niners at Arizona Win
Colts Win at N.Y. Giants

Monday, Sep. 11
Minnesota Win at Washington
San Diego Win at Oakland

Fins win. Culpepper wants to prove to the world that last year was an fluke.

[Blade Bacquin]

Thursday, Sep. 7
Miami(w) at Pittsburgh 8:30 p.m.

Sunday, Sep. 10
Atlanta at Carolina (w)1 p.m.
Baltimore at Tampa Bay(w) 1 p.m.
Buffalo(w) at New England 1 p.m.
Cincinnat(w)i at Kansas City 1 p.m.
Denver(w) at St. Louis 1 p.m.
New Orleans at Cleveland(w) 1 p.m.
N.Y. Jets(w) at Tennessee 1 p.m.
Philadelphia at Houston(w) 1 p.m.
Seattle(w) at Detroit 1 p.m.
Chicago(w) at Green Bay 4:15 p.m.
Dallas(w) at Jacksonville 4:15 p.m.
Niners at Arizona(w) 4:15 p.m.
Colts(w) at N.Y. Giants 8:15 p.m.

Monday, Sep. 11
Minnesota(w) at Washington 7 p.m.
San Diego(w) at Oakland 10:15 p.m.

[sirdizzy]

i was already leaning towards miami before I found out Big Ben was out, that just sealed the deal

[jjwr]

Steelers were the pick at home but with Batch starting? Ehhh....probably gotta go with Miami.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Steelers were the pick at home but with Batch starting? Ehhh....probably gotta go with Miami.

I know what you mean, with Ben I would have picked them at home easily. With this happening and Batch I am very reluctant to pick the Steelers.

[sirdizzy]

plus hines ward might be out too, things don't look too good for the steelers right now

[Tannis V'larr]

Hines Ward is almost always listed as questionable, and he still plays. I'm worried about not having Ben, but Batch is a far more competent backup than Maddox was.

Thursday, Sep. 7
Miami at Pittsburgh WIN 8:30 p.m.

Sunday, Sep. 10
Atlanta at Carolina WIN 1 p.m.
Baltimore WIN at Tampa Bay 1 p.m.
Buffalo at New England WIN 1 p.m.
Cincinnati WIN at Kansas City 1 p.m.
Denver WIN at St. Louis 1 p.m.
New Orleans at Cleveland WIN 1 p.m.
N.Y. Jets WIN at Tennessee 1 p.m.
Philadelphia WIN at Houston 1 p.m.
Seattle WIN at Detroit 1 p.m.
Chicago WIN at Green Bay 4:15 p.m.
Dallas WIN at Jacksonville 4:15 p.m.
Niners at Arizona WIN 4:15 p.m.
Colts WIN at N.Y. Giants 8:15 p.m.

Monday, Sep. 11
Minnesota WIN at Washington 7 p.m.
San Diego WIN at Oakland 10:15 p.m.

[Jedieb]

Well, I did mine wrong, but mneh - I'll do it right next time. Those teams I posted are the ones that I'm picking to win... sorry for posting it wrong.

Just posting winners is not a problem. If they're in the same order I put them in my opening post it's easy to deal with. The only time it gets confusing is when people make their picks out of order. It's not a major problem, it just slows things down.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Another player got in trouble and it wasn't a Bengal :p
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2573205
I am not surprised the Chargers did that. Of course he might be serving some jail time anyway.

[JMK]

Thursday, Sep. 7
Miami (w) at Pittsburgh 8:30 p.m.

Sunday, Sep. 10
Atlanta at Carolina (w) 1 p.m.
Baltimore at Tampa Bay (w) 1 p.m.
Buffalo at New England (w) 1 p.m.
Cincinnati (w) at Kansas City 1 p.m.
Denver (w) at St. Louis 1 p.m.
New Orleans (w) at Cleveland 1 p.m.
N.Y. Jets at Tennessee (w) 1 p.m.
Philadelphia (w) at Houston 1 p.m.
Seattle at Detroit (w) 1 p.m.
Chicago (w) at Green Bay 4:15 p.m.
Dallas (w) at Jacksonville 4:15 p.m.
Niners at Arizona (w) 4:15 p.m.
Colts (w) at N.Y. Giants 8:15 p.m.

Monday, Sep. 11
Minnesota (w) at Washington 7 p.m.
San Diego (w) at Oakland 10:15 p.m.

[Rutabaga]

It's the most wonderful time of the year....

Thursday, Sep. 7

Miami at Pittsburgh (W)

Sunday, Sep. 10

Atlanta (W) at Carolina
Baltimore at Tampa Bay (W)
Buffalo at New England (W)
Cincinnati (W) at Kansas City
Denver (W) at St. Louis
New Orleans at Cleveland (W)
N.Y. Jets at Tennessee (W)
Philadelphia (W) at Houston
Seattle (W) at Detroit
Chicago (W) at Green Bay
Dallas at Jacksonville (W)
Niners (W) at Arizona
Colts (W) at N.Y. Giants oooo, the battle of the Mannings!

Monday, Sep. 11

Minnesota at Washington (W)
San Diego (W) at Oakland

[Ambrose Braeden]

Thursday, Sep. 7
Miami at Pittsburgh (W)

Sunday, Sep. 10
Atlanta(W) at Carolina
Baltimore at Tampa Bay(W)
Buffalo at New England(W)
Cincinnati at Kansas City(W)
Denver(W) at St. Louis
New Orleans(W) at Cleveland
N.Y. Jets at Tennessee(W)
Philadelphia(W) at Houston
Seattle(W) at Detroit
Chicago at Green Bay(W)
Dallas(W) at Jacksonville
Niners at Arizona(W)
Colts(W) at N.Y. Giants

Monday, Sep. 11
Minnesota(W) at Washington
San Diego(W) at Oakland

[Jedi Master Carr]

Thursday, Sep. 7
W Miami at Pittsburgh 8:30 p.m.

Sunday, Sep. 10
Atlanta at W Carolina 1 p.m.
Baltimore at W Tampa Bay 1 p.m.
Buffalo at W New England 1 p.m.
Cincinnati at W Kansas City 1 p.m.
W Denver at St. Louis 1 p.m.
W New Orleans at Cleveland 1 p.m.
N.Y. Jets at W Tennessee 1 p.m.
W Philadelphia at Houston 1 p.m.
W Seattle at Detroit 1 p.m.
Chicago at W Green Bay 4:15 p.m.
W Dallas at Jacksonville 4:15 p.m.
Niners at w Arizona 4:15 p.m.
W Colts at N.Y. Giants 8:15 p.m.

Monday, Sep. 11
W Minnesota at Washington 7 p.m.
W San Diego at Oakland 10:15 p.m.

[Ryan Pode]

Another player got in trouble and it wasn't a Bengal :p
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2573205
I am not surprised the Chargers did that. Of course he might be serving some jail time anyway.

He spent his first four seasons in Cinci.

[Jedieb]

Thursday, Sep. 7
WIN Miami at Pittsburgh 8:30 p.m.

Sunday, Sep. 10
Atlanta at Carolina WIN
Baltimore at Tampa Bay WIN
Buffalo at New England WIN
WIN Cincinnati at Kansas City
WIN Denver at St. Louis
New Orleans at Cleveland WIN
N.Y. Jets at Tennessee WIN
WIN Philadelphia at Houston
WIN Seattle at Detroit
WIN Chicago at Green Bay
WIN Dallas at Jacksonville
Niners at Arizona WIN
WIN Colts at N.Y. Giants

Monday, Sep. 11
Minnesota at Washington WIN
WIN San Diego at Oakland

[Jedieb]

I've got 9 road teams winning on week 1. I'm opening the season with a train wreck.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I've got 9 road teams winning on week 1. I'm opening the season with a train wreck.

I think you are wrong with that Cincinnati game for starters :p Seriously, I think KC will win more because the Bengals are a train wreck just waiting to happen.

[sirdizzy]

i think the bengals are a better team but they had the worst off season of anyteam I have ever seen. They are not on the same page at all and they are heading into one of the tougher places to play in the entire nfl coupled with the fact that the cheifs while nowhere near the powerhouse they used to be, our still an ok team who run the ball well and don't lose at home that often.


The cheifs will begin to unravel when teams find out how much of a downstep they took on their Oline when they lost Wille Roaf and blitz on that weak spot. Coupled with the fact that they seem to never ever want to actually obquire a WR of any talent whatsoever. Their Defense is still shaky and will remain so, adding a head coach doesn't change that ask Indy how long it took them to get a D. The chiefs are a 7-9 team this year and 6 of those 7 wins will be at home including week 1.

[Yog]

Thursday, Sep. 7
Miami (W) at Pittsburgh 8:30 p.m.

Sunday, Sep. 10
Atlanta at Carolina (W)
Baltimore at Tampa Bay (W)
Buffalo at New England (W)
Cincinnati at Kansas City (W)
Denver (W) at St. Louis
New Orleans at Cleveland (W)
N.Y. Jets at Tennessee (W)
Philadelphia (W) at Houston
Seattle (W) at Detroit
Chicago (W) at Green Bay
Dallas (W) at Jacksonville
Niners at Arizona (W)
Colts at N.Y. Giants (W)

Monday, Sep. 11
Minnesota (W) at Washington
San Diego at Oakland (W)

[Figrin D'an]

Thursday, Sep. 7
Miami at Pittsburgh (W)

Sunday, Sep. 10
Atlanta at Carolina (W)
Baltimore (W) at Tampa Bay
Buffalo at New England (W)
Cincinnati (W) at Kansas City
Denver (W) at St. Louis
New Orleans (W) at Cleveland
N.Y. Jets at Tennessee (W)
Philadelphia (W) at Houston
Seattle (W) at Detroit
Chicago at Green Bay (W)
Dallas (W) at Jacksonville
Niners at Arizona (W)
Colts (W) at N.Y. Giants

Monday, Sep. 11
Minnesota at Washington (W)
San Diego (W) at Oakland

[jjwr]

Just for tonight, I'll pick the rest later

Miami at Pittsburgh (W)

[Jedi Master Carr]

i think the bengals are a better team but they had the worst off season of anyteam I have ever seen. They are not on the same page at all and they are heading into one of the tougher places to play in the entire nfl coupled with the fact that the cheifs while nowhere near the powerhouse they used to be, our still an ok team who run the ball well and don't lose at home that often.


The cheifs will begin to unravel when teams find out how much of a downstep they took on their Oline when they lost Wille Roaf and blitz on that weak spot. Coupled with the fact that they seem to never ever want to actually obquire a WR of any talent whatsoever. Their Defense is still shaky and will remain so, adding a head coach doesn't change that ask Indy how long it took them to get a D. The chiefs are a 7-9 team this year and 6 of those 7 wins will be at home including week 1.

We Shall see :p I think the will win 8 games at the worst, IMO. I base that on their schedule which is ridiculously easy in the last 6 games. I don't think they can win more than 11 games though but is if everything goes perfect for them this season.

[Ryan Pode]

i think the bengals are a better team but they had the worst off season of anyteam I have ever seen. They are not on the same page at all and they are heading into one of the tougher places to play in the entire nfl coupled with the fact that the cheifs while nowhere near the powerhouse they used to be, our still an ok team who run the ball well and don't lose at home that often.


The cheifs will begin to unravel when teams find out how much of a downstep they took on their Oline when they lost Wille Roaf and blitz on that weak spot. Coupled with the fact that they seem to never ever want to actually obquire a WR of any talent whatsoever. Their Defense is still shaky and will remain so, adding a head coach doesn't change that ask Indy how long it took them to get a D. The chiefs are a 7-9 team this year and 6 of those 7 wins will be at home including week 1.

Eddie Kennison is a good WR. He's a consistant 1,000 Yard reciever as the #2 passing option. That's pretty good.

[sirdizzy]

eddie kennison is a #2 maybe a #3 reciever and the cheifs have been using him as a #1 guy for years, hell when he played on the broncos he was #3 behind smith and eddie mac and then we cast him off and the cheifs picked up our garbage. I mean try and make a trade for deion branch, hell doug gabriel that the pats just picked up is a better option than kennison. Make a move for TO, dante stallworth, do something. When was the last time the cheifs tried to get a reciever, oh yea eddie kennison like 5 years ago.

[Jedi Master Carr]

eddie kennison is a #2 maybe a #3 reciever and the cheifs have been using him as a #1 guy for years, hell when he played on the broncos he was #3 behind smith and eddie mac and then we cast him off and the cheifs picked up our garbage. I mean try and make a trade for deion branch, hell doug gabriel that the pats just picked up is a better option than kennison. Make a move for TO, dante stallworth, do something. When was the last time the cheifs tried to get a reciever, oh yea eddie kennison like 5 years ago.

Well they are tapped too close to the cap which is the problem. Now Sammie Parker has a lot of potential to be a top reciever though. His biggest problem is staying healthy and not dropping passes.
Also I didn't realize that NBC got Bob "I am boring " Costas to do their pregame shows. I guess I won't be watching many of those.

[Ryan Pode]

eddie kennison is a #2 maybe a #3 reciever and the cheifs have been using him as a #1 guy for years, hell when he played on the broncos he was #3 behind smith and eddie mac and then we cast him off and the cheifs picked up our garbage. I mean try and make a trade for deion branch, hell doug gabriel that the pats just picked up is a better option than kennison. Make a move for TO, dante stallworth, do something. When was the last time the cheifs tried to get a reciever, oh yea eddie kennison like 5 years ago.

He produces. That's all you need from your #2 reciever. You fail to realize that Tony Gonzales is the #1 option in the Chief's option.

[sirdizzy]

here is why I thought Miami would win tonight. Down 17-14, first and goal at the dolphins 1 yard line and charlie batch fumbles. That could be a game breaker.

Steel town is missing Ben big time right now.

[sirdizzy]

new season, new signature


and daunte cullpepper has looked pretty sharp on this drive after looking like crap the 1st half

[Ryan Pode]

Looks like Miami got the Culpepper of '05.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Yeah Culpepper has played terrible in the 4 quarter. Both of those INTS were horrible passes. One was thrown in triple coverage and that last one was thrown to no one. Of course this was set up because they couldn't run the ball either, plus there defense has played horrible in the second half. So far the Dolphins don't look like no SB contender to me.

[Liam Jinn]

In the first part of the second half, the Dolphins' defense was doing pretty well. I think it was those 2 consecutive penalties that threw them off their game.

[Jedi Master Carr]

In the first part of the second half, the Dolphins' defense was doing pretty well. I think it was those 2 consecutive penalties that threw them off their game.

Well they were dumb pentalties too. The illegal use of the hands to the face was dumb.

[Liam Jinn]

I still think it made them play a bit less aggressive, which let the steelers gain some easy yards on them.

[Tannis V'larr]

Wasn't pretty, but neither was last year's kick-off game. All things considered, it's a great win for the Steelers. Yes, Batch had his ulcer-inducing moments, but he finished 15/25 for 209 yards and 3 TDs. I'm thrilled that he came through in the end!

Nick Saban's botched challenge attempt was hilarious. Yeah, I feel bad that it was a wrong call, but he didn't do himself any favors. And, anyway, barring another Batch fumble, I think a first-and-goal from the 2 would practically be a lock for a pumped-up Steelers offense. Anyway, an 87-yard TD reception for Heath Miller is sweet. :)

Both Culpepper and Saban got way too antsy at the end. They get the ball back four points down with more than six minutes to play, and they abandoned the run. Though, given how fast Culpepper threw it to Troy, I guess we'll never know what the gameplan was.

[Yog]

Well, there goes the Miami bandwaggon up in smoke and flames. I can't believe I fell for it. They don't look like a playoff contender, let alone SB candidate. Likely, they will fight at the bottom of the barrel like in previous years. As for Culpepper, can we say B.U.S.T.? Man, it looks like he is back to his old sins. Whats hilarious, he was one of the top drafted quarterbacks in many leagues. Those having drafted him as a "stud" QB must be be in panic right now, and the season barely started!

I really thought Miami had a chance here, concidering Big Ben was out for this game. Now, I can only laugh at my own stupidity! :lol

[jjwr]

Its only the first game, on the road, against the Defending Superbowl champions, not exactly a recipe for success. And Culpepper hasn't played in a while so I wouldn't get too worried just yet. Now in 5 weeks if they are 1-5 I'd worry :)

As for Batch...this helps my point about the "great" Big Ben, he's a good QB no doubt about it but so much of it is that system, killer D with a great running attack. Batch is 3-0 the last two years starting.

[jjwr]

And Jedeib drops a game off the pace already...that should be a good indactor of how the rest of the year will go :)

[JMK]

Ugh. I know it's only 1 game, but boy did Culpepper look like crap. Even before the 2 INTs. He underthrew guys, he was innaccurate, rushed his passes...all signs of rust, adjusting to a new team, playing against the defending champs....and....possibly being a bust? I don't think he's a bust just yet, its way too soon for that, but nothing about the Dolphins was particularly encouraging last night. Except for Ronnie Brown and Wes Welker.

[Jedi Master Carr]

The also waited way too long to get Chris Chambers involved, plus they pretty much abandonded the run. I think Brown only had like 13 carries.

[JMK]

Yeah, there was question marks all over their game plan last night. With Culpepper so erratic they should have gotten Brown more involved. I think they were too afraid of the Steelers run defense, and maybe they have a point with that, but they did score both of their TDs on the ground.

Saban also made a huge mistake in waiting so long to throw that flag. I'm sure he was waiting for confirmation from the booth upstairs, but he seemed so nonchalant about it. The Steelers would have been first and goal on the 1 or 2 yard line and probably would have scored anyway, but they HAD to challenge that.

[Tannis V'larr]

As for Batch...this helps my point about the "great" Big Ben, he's a good QB no doubt about it but so much of it is that system, killer D with a great running attack. Batch is 3-0 the last two years starting.

...So what's your point? He can't possibly be that good because his team is good?

Depends on what your definition is of "great," granted, but I defy you to tell me that anyone outside the top tier of quarterbacks could have turned in the playoff performance he had last year (excepting the Super Bowl). He's got a ways to go, yes, but what makes him so valuable to the Steelers is that he completes their system. He has the right skillset to flourish in a traditionally run-heavy, defensive team, and he's shown he can be a dominant passing threat when matched up with the best QB's in the league.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Yeah, there was question marks all over their game plan last night. With Culpepper so erratic they should have gotten Brown more involved. I think they were too afraid of the Steelers run defense, and maybe they have a point with that, but they did score both of their TDs on the ground.

Saban also made a huge mistake in waiting so long to throw that flag. I'm sure he was waiting for confirmation from the booth upstairs, but he seemed so nonchalant about it. The Steelers would have been first and goal on the 1 or 2 yard line and probably would have scored anyway, but they HAD to challenge that.

I also have to wonder what they were thinking on that critical 3 and 2 after the fumble. If they had gotten a first down there they could have drove down the field and took the game in hand. But they try an run option against a fast defnese with Ronnie Brown? That was dumb they should have either ran up the gut or went for a short pass.

[Ryan Pode]

...So what's your point? He can't possibly be that good because his team is good?

Depends on what your definition is of "great," granted, but I defy you to tell me that anyone outside the top tier of quarterbacks could have turned in the playoff performance he had last year (excepting the Super Bowl). He's got a ways to go, yes, but what makes him so valuable to the Steelers is that he completes their system. He has the right skillset to flourish in a traditionally run-heavy, defensive team, and he's shown he can be a dominant passing threat when matched up with the best QB's in the league.

Kyle Boller could be a good QB in the Steelers system. The Steelers probably would have gotten to the Superbowl whether it was Roethlesberger, Batch, Maddox, or Josh Harris. Tommy Maddox wasn't a bad QB. He played good in 2002 and then in '03, when the Steelers lost 10 games he threw over five hundred times. That's not a winning formula.

Batch just goes to prove that with ample protection and poise anyone can execute the Steelers system. It's almost the same as one saying they can rush for a thousand yards in Denver. For those that remember Charlie Batch's days as a Lion, he was terrible. Absolutely terrible, some even point to him as the reason Barry Sanders walked away. That's pretty bad.

[jjwr]

That pretty much sums up what I was going to say. No doubt Ben is a good QB, he's shown that but a lot of his early success has been the system.

Before you say I'm just bashing him I'll stand rigth up and say the same thing can be said of Brady his first few years, he was heavily protected by a very good team around him but since has grown into the leader of the team and arguably one fo the top 2 QB's in the league.

He definetly shows flashes and as long as he doesn't end up with a mental block from this offs-season he should have a long and very productive career, just saying all the hype over him is a bit unfounded at this point due to the team.

[JMK]

Can we stop giving soooooo much credit to the *system* and a little more to the QB?
I don't mean to say that systems mean nothing, but nobody, and I mean NOBODY talks this way about Joe Montana. He's the ultimate product of a system.

I don't believe for one second that the Steelers would have won the SB with any of those other QBs. If they could have, they would have. Heck, Maddox was a great story a few years back, but he fell apart. Roethlisberger is a terrific QB who is smart enough to know his limitations, and uses the people around him to maximize the team's effectiveness. Sure, that pretty defines what a system is and does but you need a great QB to execute that.

[jjwr]

Trent Dilfer ring a bell?

[jjwr]

Sunday, Sep. 10
Atlanta at Carolina(WIN) 1 p.m.
Baltimore at Tampa Bay(WIN) 1 p.m.
Buffalo at New England(WIN) 1 p.m.
Cincinnati(WIN) at Kansas City 1 p.m.
Denver(WIN) at St. Louis 1 p.m.
New Orleans at Cleveland(WIN) 1 p.m.
N.Y. Jets at Tennessee(WIN) 1 p.m.
Philadelphia(WIN) at Houston 1 p.m.
Seattle at Detroit(WIN) 1 p.m.
Chicago(WIN) at Green Bay 4:15 p.m.
Dallas(WIN) at Jacksonville 4:15 p.m.
Niners at Arizona(WIN) 4:15 p.m.
Colts(WIN) at N.Y. Giants 8:15 p.m.

Monday, Sep. 11
Minnesota at Washington(WIN) 7 p.m.
San Diego(WIN) at Oakland 10:15 p.m.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Can we stop giving soooooo much credit to the *system* and a little more to the QB?
I don't mean to say that systems mean nothing, but nobody, and I mean NOBODY talks this way about Joe Montana. He's the ultimate product of a system.

I don't believe for one second that the Steelers would have won the SB with any of those other QBs. If they could have, they would have. Heck, Maddox was a great story a few years back, but he fell apart. Roethlisberger is a terrific QB who is smart enough to know his limitations, and uses the people around him to maximize the team's effectiveness. Sure, that pretty defines what a system is and does but you need a great QB to execute that.

Considering Montana is my idol I have to disagree with you. I think if Montana had went somewhere else he probably wouldn't had won 4 SBs. I don't necessarly think it was the system but he was in a great place surrounding by great players and had the perfect coach in Bill Walsh.

[Ryan Pode]

Can we stop giving soooooo much credit to the *system* and a little more to the QB?
I don't mean to say that systems mean nothing, but nobody, and I mean NOBODY talks this way about Joe Montana. He's the ultimate product of a system.

I don't believe for one second that the Steelers would have won the SB with any of those other QBs. If they could have, they would have. Heck, Maddox was a great story a few years back, but he fell apart. Roethlisberger is a terrific QB who is smart enough to know his limitations, and uses the people around him to maximize the team's effectiveness. Sure, that pretty defines what a system is and does but you need a great QB to execute that.

Maddox lost his confidence. Being a QB you need confidence. Watching Ben win 15 games as a rookie does that. Same thing happened to so many other guys. They bring in a young and they collapse.

[sirdizzy]

hey got say Brad Johnson to join Trent Dilfer in mediocre qb land with a ring

[Jedi Master Carr]

hey got say Brad Johnson to join Trent Dilfer in mediocre qb land with a ring

You could put together a good list of QBs like that.
And there is the fluke wonders like Mark Rypen and Jeff Hosteller who never played that good after that.

[Ryan Pode]

Brad Johnson played well after the SB, in his defense.

[Jedieb]

And Jedeib drops a game off the pace already...that should be a good indactor of how the rest of the year will go :)

Silly rabbits, enjoy your pathetic lead while it lasts!!!!!

Friggin' Fins, I should have known better. I was on the phone with my best friend, the biggest Dolphins fan I know, and got off the phone just as it looked like Miami was about to take control of the game. Then before you know it, an 87 yard TD pass followed by two Culpepper INT's. Holy cow, I don't think I've seen the wheels come off a bandwagon that fast in years. The Fins can at least comfort themselves with the fact that it was a road loss, but they had this game in hand and missed a big opportunity.

Still haven't been able to get jacked up about this season, it's weird. I'm spending most of my sports time following the Yanks with MLB Extra Innings. I'm even considering taping tomorrow's rubber game against the O's and watching it Monday afternoon.

[Jedieb]

Brad Johnson played well after the SB, in his defense.

I agree, in fact, Brad Johnson has played well and put up decent numbers every where he's been. He's not the reason the Bucs tailed off after their Superbowl. The Bucs won that Superbowl at the end of a decent playoff window, then Gruden started breaking things down and rebuilding the team in his image. Johnson simply wasn't part of his rebuilding plan.

[Liam Jinn]

Uh, apparently I missed a pick, the game just started so I don't know if I can still choose or not, but if I can I'm picking Philly. If not, no biggie.

[jjwr]

Pats are getting smacked around so far by the Bills, that Bills D is fast! They are everywhere. Right now Pats are missing their top 2 WR's(Branch & Gabriel) and it shows.

[Ryan Pode]

27-0 Ravens.

[Nathanial K'cansce]

Dilfer got smashed. Didn't remember the play that happened, carried off on a stretcher. The hit was hard. Ouch :(


And freaking Bills. I can't believe they blew a 10 point lead and lost by a safety. :(

[Yog]

27-0 Ravens.

Interesting. Do they actually have an offense this year, or was it just the Bucs playing terrible?

Anyway, Dallas starts off with a bang! They are my dark Horse this year, and I am rooting for them.

[Ryan Pode]

Steve McNair - 17/27 for 181 yards and a TD, Jamal Lewis 18 carries, 78 yards and a TD.

Bucs had #1 defense last year and have been in the top ten for the last decade.

[sirdizzy]

good god I have been horendous so far 3-7, kill me now

[Yog]

good god I have been horendous so far 3-7, kill me now

Don't worry, I have been horrendous as well. The season is long.

(I also have 3-7 ughh)

[Ryan Pode]

I'm 6-4. yay.

[jjwr]

4-6...whoo! What a great start.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I saw that hit on Green yikes. Luckily he just has a concussion. The Chiefs would have no chance without him. I am hoping the Bengals are just that good, but who knows. I do think the offensive line needs a lot of work.

[Jedieb]

Uh, apparently I missed a pick, the game just started so I don't know if I can still choose or not, but if I can I'm picking Philly. If not, no biggie.

You were only 12 minutes past the deadline. It's no biggie with me, as long as no one objects, I'll put you down for a Philly pick.

[Jedieb]

6-7, and even though the last 3 games will probably put me over .500, it was a pretty crapacular opening week. Ughh.

[JMK]

Same here bro. It's been a strange week. Thank god the Saints came through for me.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I think I'm at 6-7 as well. :\ I almost took a game up on everyone with my Niners pick, but our two turnovers (for two Cardinal TDs) just buried us. It was a great game though. Except for the losing part. :(

[Kale]

Yog will gain a game on everybody else if Eli can pull off this comeback drive. :)

EDIT: Or maybe not, seeing as the refs are Colts fans.

[Ryan Pode]

Yog will gain a game on everybody else if Eli can pull off this comeback drive. :)

EDIT: Or maybe not, seeing as the refs are Colts fans.

Or you're a Giants fan.

[Liam Jinn]

9-4 so far :)

[Nathanial K'cansce]

9-4 so far :)


Ditto.


I think.

[Liam Jinn]

And, I'm 10-4 now :D

[jjwr]

6-7 as well, at least I won't be too far back. Course its only one week and we all know these things have a way of evening out.

[sirdizzy]

i salvaged the day by going 4-0 in the late games to get to .500 at 7-7 what a crappy picking day for me

[JMK]

7-7 here too. Tough week for a lot of people. I really didn't expect the Broncos and Panthers to get the crap beat out of them like that. So much for Carolinas 'great' run defense.

Does anyone think that Brett Favre will seriously regret coming back for another year? There's the potential that they will be the WORST team in the league this year.

[Miranda Tarkin]

Yeah I watched the Bears game in glee as they shut him out for the first time EVER in his career. I've noticed Farve has a knack for going passing crazy when things are tight but that many interceptions? And the Packers looked terrible. I mean, even the fans booed them. Ouch

Course, I'm a Chicagoland person so Bears beating the Packers is a reason to celebrate regardless.

[jjwr]

Favre is an idiot, everyone knew the team would be terrible but both him and the team were too afraid to make a trade happen. Its the teams fault just as much as his, they need to rebuild but didn't want to **** all the fans off by ditching Favre. Rodgers needs to play, give the young guys a chance.

Trade Favre to the Chiefs, at least he'll have a shot at something with them.

[Tannis V'larr]

10-4 as well. :D


Or you're a Giants fan.

No, I'm not, but that late offensive pass interference call was very weak, and it's a shame it ended up taking away the Giants' best chance at a comeback. Granted, they still had a long way to go.

I'm more upset by the two overturned replay calls in the Cowboys-Jaguars game, even though they ended up not turning the outcome. The current interpretation of the rules regarding establishing possession of the ball on a catch is just getting ridiculous. If you catch the ball, secure it, and take two steps, you've got possession. If the ball comes out on your way down to the ground, it's a FUMBLE, not an INCOMPLETION. Gah, it was Troy Polamalu's interception all over again, only, fortunately, it didn't mean as much this time.

[Jedi Master Carr]

7-7 here too. Tough week for a lot of people. I really didn't expect the Broncos and Panthers to get the crap beat out of them like that. So much for Carolinas 'great' run defense.

Does anyone think that Brett Favre will seriously regret coming back for another year? There's the potential that they will be the WORST team in the league this year.

Nah that will be the Raiders heh. I think they will win 2 games this year and have the #1 pick and probably draft Quinn.

[JMK]

The Raiders may have a shot tonight. If the Bills almost beat the Pats at home then the Raiders can beat the Chargers at home.

[Jedi Master Carr]

The Raiders may have a shot tonight. If the Bills almost beat the Pats at home then the Raiders can beat the Chargers at home.

The raiders are sorry though, I think the Chargers will kill them. The Bills could beat the Raiders at this point.

[Nathanial K'cansce]

Yay Bills!

*waves banner*


...

:(

[Yog]

The raiders are sorry though, I think the Chargers will kill them

You better hope so, concidering I have LaMmont Jordan to go in our fantasy matchup, with only 3 points difference.. :)

[Ryan Pode]

I liked Lamont Jordan when he was at Maryland.

[Yog]

Lamont was a middle second round pick for me, so I could not possibly pass up on him. Tiki Barber was my first, T.O. in third, Reggie Wayne in 4th and Shockey in 5th. I am very happy with those 5 first picks.

[Jedi Master Carr]

You better hope so, concidering I have LaMmont Jordan to go in our fantasy matchup, with only 3 points difference.. :)

They will get trounced, not sure what kind of game Jordan will have. They could get trounced and he get enough yard for you to beat me. They are still a sorry team. Davis needs to sell the team the man has lost it.

[Jedi Master Carr]

20-0 SD :) Oakland has 72 total yards and the game is almost over. That is just embarassing. Oh and Lamont Jordan only has 20 so far :p

[Ryan Pode]

I went 11-5 on the week. Yay me.

[JMK]

What a week for road teams. 11 of 16 winners were away teams, and 3 of them by shutout (Ravens, Bears, Chargers).

The Raiders looked pathetic last night. I thought maybe they'd show a little more, but it's pretty much settled now. They are garbage and will probably lead the league in penalties again.

The Chargers got a nice headstart in their division as everyone else is 0-1. The Raiders may never win a game, the Cheifs may be out of luck if Green can't come back quickly enough and Denver will eventually get back in the win column.

Hopefully things are a little easier to predict next week...but they probably won't be.

[Jedi Master Carr]

What a week for road teams. 11 of 16 winners were away teams, and 3 of them by shutout (Ravens, Bears, Chargers).

The Raiders looked pathetic last night. I thought maybe they'd show a little more, but it's pretty much settled now. They are garbage and will probably lead the league in penalties again.

The Chargers got a nice headstart in their division as everyone else is 0-1. The Raiders may never win a game, the Cheifs may be out of luck if Green can't come back quickly enough and Denver will eventually get back in the win column.

Hopefully things are a little easier to predict next week...but they probably won't be.
I think the Raiders will lose all 6 games to their rivals in the West. I think they will finish either 2-14 or maybe 3-13. They will probably get the first pick. I think Art Shell is wishing he had stayed retired. As for the Chiefs well it will depend on what happens with Green. If he can come back quickly they could still go 10-6, but if he can't the best they cand do is 8-8 and they might even be a 6-10 team. They don't have a backup who is really that good. I think Croyle is their future but I don't think he is ready yet.

[Jedieb]

Sorry it's taken me so long, but I had to set up the spreadsheet and manage start up another pool. Here ya go:

Tannis V'larr 12-4

Ryan Pode 11-5
Liam Jinn 11-5

Nathanial K'cansce 10-6
Jinn Fizz 10-6
Ambrose Braeden 10-6
Figrin D'an 10-6

JMK 9-7

jedieb 8-8
Katrina Gordislava 8-8
sirdizzy 8-8
Blade Ice 8-8
Jedi Master Carr 8-8
jjwr 8-8

Master Yoghurt 6-10 Satan in last place!! :crack

As always, please check your results and let me know if I've made a mistake.

[Ryan Pode]

Whoo. 2nd place.

[JMK]

Goddamit! Every time I check these things, year after year I'm EXACTLY in the middle!

[Lilaena De'Ville]

50% ain't too bad for the first week! I was Katarina, btw, I posted under the wrong name, and I wouldn't lie about that. If I was going to lie I'd tell you I was Tannis. ;)

[Rutabaga]

Wow, I did better than I thought! :)

[Liam Jinn]

I'm pretty sure I'm 11-5, my last pick is on a different page than the others.

[Tannis V'larr]

I'm Tannis, of course. :D

[Jedieb]

I'm pretty sure I'm 11-5, my last pick is on a different page than the others.

I forgot about your Philly pick. I'll go ahead and adjust the standings.