NFL Offseason

[Jedi Master Carr]

Might as well start a thread for the offseason, now unless people want to talk about the pro bowl :p Right now the biggest news is that the Raiders can't find a coach. The HC of Louisville turned them down and that was for a 4 year deal worth 18 million, it shows what he thinks of the program. They are talking to one of their ex coaches art shell now.

[Ryan Pode]

Well, I guess I'll call up Oakland Raidesrs and tell them I'll take the job.

[JMK]

Maybe they can get John Madden down there once Art Shell rejects them.

[Jedi Master Carr]

LOL yeah it is pretty embarrassing, maybe they should contact some High school coaches once they can't find anybody else :p

[JMK]

What a stigma attached to that organization now. Davis has let the whole thing go right into the tank.

[Jedi Master Carr]

He has and it is all his fault. He is way too controlling, and if the coach doesn't win he fires them within two years. Art shell, for example, his team made the playoffs, won 11 games and he still got fired. Davis is the worst owner in football right now.

[Jedieb]

Al Davis actually offered me the Raiders job this afternoon. But I had to turn him down. I'm having too much fun breaking up fights between 12 year olds at work. If I take the Raiders job I'd have to break up fights between even more mentally challenged children.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Originally posted by Jedieb
Al Davis actually offered me the Raiders job this afternoon. But I had to turn him down. I'm having too much fun breaking up fights between 12 year olds at work. If I take the Raiders job I'd have to break up fights between even more mentally challenged children.

LOL that was great, well there was breaking news they hired Art Shell. I think he is a fool taking the job, although maybe he figures he probably would never get a second chance at head coach again anyways.

[Ryan Pode]

Originally posted by Jedieb
Al Davis actually offered me the Raiders job this afternoon. But I had to turn him down. I'm having too much fun breaking up fights between 12 year olds at work. If I take the Raiders job I'd have to break up fights between even more mentally challenged children.

Mentally challeneged children that can bench twice mine and twice your weight.

[sirdizzy]

I don't know have you seen the raiders teams lately

[Yog]

Al Davis actually offered me the Raiders job this afternoon. But I had to turn him down. I'm having too much fun breaking up fights between 12 year olds at work. If I take the Raiders job I'd have to break up fights between even more mentally challenged children.

Oh, that explains the bizarre phone call I got yesterday. I thought it was one of those annoying telemarketing people, so I hung up.

The Raiders should get Terrell Owens on their team. Imagine brotherly peace in the lockerroom.

[jjwr]

Funny stuff jedieb!!

Art Shell should be an interesting hire, I'm glad to see he got another chance and hopefully he won't be sabotagued.

A few big names out in Free Agency, you have Alexander and Edge for RB's, TO, Reggie Wayne and David Givens for WR, not any marquee QB's but you have Collins and Kitna out there.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Originally posted by Master Yoghurt
Oh, that explains the bizarre phone call I got yesterday. I thought it was one of those annoying telemarketing people, so I hung up.

The Raiders should get Terrell Owens on their team. Imagine brotherly peace in the lockerroom.
LOL well there team would be entertaining, people would be just waiting for a Moss-T.O knockdown on the field :p As for FA, I think Alexander will stay with Seattle, they will use the Franchise Tag on him if they have to. Edge is another story, I thought the Colts would do the same thing, but it looks like they are more interested in keeping Wayne than Edge. Edge will probably be the big name then, not sure where he will go though. Looking at my team's FA's needs they need a WR and some defensive line help those are their two most glaring weaknesses. I would like to see them sign a second tier WR like Brandon Lloyd or Antonio Bryant both are good WR's though I think Lloyd might be close to have a breakout year.

[Ryan Pode]

Edge will win up in Arizona. T.O won't go to Oakland because Randy Moss said that if T.O goes to Oakland, Randy won't be there. And I'd rather have Moss than T.O.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I guess Edge could go to Arizona, but he would be nuts, they are one of the worst franchises in the NFL. He be smarter to try to go to Atlanta (if they let Warrick Dunn go) or maybe even Cleveland which is a better franchise than the Cardinals.

[Ryan Pode]

Yes, but Arizona has lots and lots of money to spend.

[jjwr]

Yup, they're something like 30 million under the cap. I really wouldn't be suprised for Edge to follow the $$$

[Ryan Pode]

Not only the money, but in Arizona he would be surrounded by great WR talent in the #1 passing offense. Cleveland has a 1,000 yard back in Droughns. No need to spend the money on something they don't need.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I forgot about Droughs but if he wants to go to a playoff team, Atlanta makes more sense.

[Ryan Pode]

Perhaps, but Arizona does have a top-10 defense, all they really needed was a running game. Another potential could be the Panthers, pending how much cap space they got.

[JMK]

Egde will follow the money. If you wasted your time last night watching the Pro Bowl and you heard his interview, he sounded like a guy who was done with the Colts. He talked about the fact that all he does is produce and he's sure he'll end up somewhere and it doesn't really matter where. He didn't say he wanted to be on a contender, just that he wanted to be somewhere. That usually means that they want to get paid. Big time.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Of course the Cardinals have the stingest owner in Sports, he honestly doesn't care about winning and more about turning a profit. So, he may not even pursue Edge , also there are a lot of RB's on the market. I heard Chris Mortensen say that Edge may not get the money he is looking for and Alexander would be well advised to take what Seattle is offering him, because he won't get that kind of money anywhere else.

[jjwr]

Its a tough market for RB's, so many good young RBs are coming into the league that its making it harder to justify paying top $$$ for a Free Agent, even as good as these guys are.

Figure right now you have Edge, Alexander, and Deshaun Foster as FA's and the following by all accounts are available - Jamal Lewis, T.J. Duckett, Ricky Williams, and Priest Holmes.

As a Pats fan I would love to see them go out and get a younger stud RB to compliment Dillon but I doubt it will happen, like most teams they will probably draft a RB and hope for the best.

[Ryan Pode]

Prime Time is done. :\ :( :cry

[jjwr]

Some fun tidbits from CNNSI.com Truth and Rumors, Ryan, you'll love this first one...

The Ravens might be interested in placing their franchise tag on running back Jamal Lewis and then trading him for Culpepper.
-- Baltimore Sun

Ty Law said he expects the Jets to release him shortly, and that he wants to play for a Super Bowl contender. In an interview with the Kansas City Star, the Pro Bowl cornerback said the Dolphins fit that description.
-- Newsday

[Ryan Pode]

I don't know if I want Culpepper. Trade rumors around him and baltimore have been going on since the second week of january it seems. To be honest, Culpepper tore all of his knee ligaments and he's got pending legal matters. I want someone who can come in an be effective right from the getgo, not someone who needs a season or two. Besides, I think that if Jamal Lewis wishes to stay in Baltimore, he will be effective.

[Jedi Master Carr]

As much as I hate to say it, the Raiders would be the best fit for Dante of course the Raiders have nothing of value except picks and the Raiders would be nuts to lose a first round picks considering their defense is the worst in the NFL. I also hear Miami is interested in him so who knows where Culpepper will go. Also about Law he also mentioned KC as a possible place he will go, I figure that has a lot to do with Herm Edwards.

[Ryan Pode]

I hear the Ravens may trade Ray Lewis. :(

[jjwr]

Well Lewis is demanding quite a bit and at this point in his career he's just not worth it.

A lot of rumors on Jamal Lewis, one is they'll let him go and go with that Chester guy instead.

[JMK]

It's no wonder the Ravens wouldn't mind parting with Jamal Lewis, but Ray Lewis? Sure he may only have 2 or 3 more good years left in him and his tradeability will never be higher than it is right now, but he's the face of the team. I think they'd be nuts to let him go.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Well it is more Ray talking at this minute and I don't think Baltimore wants to trade him. I wouldn't trade him unless they could get a lot for him.

[Ryan Pode]

If they trade Ray, I might kill myself. The only way I could see myself ever accepting a Ray trade would be if we got a QB who could start right away and a first round pick that allowed us to pick D'Qwell Jackson from University of Maryland and that Jackson become the next Ray Lewis. As for the other Lewis, he's gonna get franchised.

[jjwr]

No way they would get anywhere near that for Ray, at most he would get a mid round pick for him.

Ray's overall attitude seems to have gotten old with the team and lockerroom. I've been listening a lot of the NFL network on Sirius and the one point they keep coming back to is the team and a lot of the players are getting sick of him.

And so much for the Dolphins being able to trade Rickey

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2336760

[JMK]

Well, it appears that you can't keep a good dope-smoking hippie down:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2336760

In the article his mom says she'd be shocked if he was smoking weed again and bets her life that it's a legal supplement he's taking for his yoga studies, but personally I'm already believing that he's smoking marijuana again and the Dolphins will lose him for good this time.

[Jedieb]

All across South Florida, dozens of illegitimate children are crying their eyes out wondering where their next meal is going to come from. Curse the NFL drug policy! WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN!

[Morgan Evanar]

Gah. Dammit Ricky, you could have been half of the best backfield in the NFL.

[JMK]

I'm hoping that maybe he missed his test, or missed communicating his whereabouts to the NFL and they simply haven't been able to get in touch with him while he's in India.
I'm probably wrong...but it just seems so odd that a guy who seemingly got his act back together and started contributing again would do something like this, especially with his livelyhood at stake.

[Ryan Pode]

Well its odd the story first broke in Denver. I smell foulplay.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Yeah until it comes down from the NFL I treat the story with doubt.

[Ryan Pode]

Not saying the Broncos would, but if they are dealing with the Fins for Ricky, wouldn't it make sense to hurt his image nationally then say "Hey, we'll give you this pile of horse crap for Ricky."

[JMK]

Well the Broncos are a dirty bunch of chop-blockers, so it wouldn't surprise me if the whole organization was filthy. :p

[Ryan Pode]

I'm not saying they are. But agents of people that want to be traded might.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Well I wouldn't go that far although I have thought it but that is coming from an unbiased Chiefs fan :p Seriously, the story could be rumor and if it is true, I am sure it will be verified within a few days.

[Ryan Pode]

NFL.com says he's appealing.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Okay the report is correct, I bet he missed a test based on what it said there. Not sure if you can appeal that though.

[Ryan Pode]

It did seem like that, I think it be really dumb if they suspended him for a year because he was on a vacation to clean himself of bad habits.

[jjwr]

Word I heard yesterday was that he failed a test, not missed it.

[JMK]

Supposedly he failed the test - meaning he took something that is against the rules, but it wasn't weed. Hopefully the appeals process can prove that whatever he was taking is harmless and is part of his yoga studies or whatever.

[Ryan Pode]

Looks like Jamal Lewis will get to dip is feet into Free Agency.

[jjwr]

Hmm...and I have a feeling Mr. Belechick would be just the coach to get him back to his dominant ways.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-sp.ravens23feb23,0,4875186.story?coll=bal-sports-headlines


Lewis envisions a "fresh start" in free agency, saying he would be interested in playing for the Arizona Cardinals, Green Bay Packers, New England Patriots or division rival Pittsburgh Steelers.

[Ryan Pode]

Well, I'll miss him. He won't be resigned. The good thing is, if Musa Smith--the third RB is healthy as they say he is (broke his leg against Dallas two years ago) then he is pretty good. He is a very Jamal-esque runner, but I trust that Newsome & gang will do the Ravens well.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Originally posted by jjwr
Hmm...and I have a feeling Mr. Belechick would be just the coach to get him back to his dominant ways.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-sp.ravens23feb23,0,4875186.story?coll=bal-sports-headlines

Two of those teams won't sign him. He might go to Arizona or Green Bay though.

[JMK]

I'd say Arizona, but what do I know?

[Ryan Pode]

Look for where former Ravens RB coach Matt Simon winds up.

[jjwr]

The Pats didn't franchise Vinatieri which most likely means they have a deal worked out and will sign their long term deal before Free Agency....at least I hope!

I'm curious what he would get in a open market.

As for the Collective Bargaining agreement, this could be bad! I was really hoping they would get an agreemnt in place ASAP. The NFL has way too much good publicity going for it to blow it by having a uncapped year followed by a possible work stoppage.

[Ryan Pode]

I don't think work will stop. But an uncapped year... Dan Synder will go Crazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzy.

[Jedi Master Carr]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2348417
This isn't good news, the NFL has been the only pro sports to have labor peace and now this not sure what will happen now. Also there won't be a work stoppage. The head of the player association said last week they would disband the union before that happened and the owners couldn't lock the players out (they can't because of govt. laws). I am hoping for some 11th hour deal now.

[JMK]

They'll come to an agreement. They all (owners, players) know they're the #1 team sport in North America for a reason. They know a work stoppage of any kind would do so much damage. I'm not worried at all at this point.

[Ryan Pode]

New Ram's headcoach Scott Linehan reminds me of someone out of Star Trek: The Next Generation.

[jjwr]

If they don't get something done today then the season will go forward without an agreement, next year will be uncapped and the following year will have no CBA at all.

Could be bad! Apparently if an agreement had been reached the Cap would be about 108 Million, if not reached then around 95 Million so teams will have much less to spend starting on Friday.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Originally posted by jjwr
If they don't get something done today then the season will go forward without an agreement, next year will be uncapped and the following year will have no CBA at all.

Could be bad! Apparently if an agreement had been reached the Cap would be about 108 Million, if not reached then around 95 Million so teams will have much less to spend starting on Friday.

Yeah that is what I have read, plus the owners might never get a salary cap again, because the players won't be locked out they will disband the union to prevent that. I really can't understand why they can't get something worked out.
One thing according to ESPN if it doesn't get worked out we might see a lot of big names get cut tomorrow. One of the columnists from ESPN is saying Thursday could be called Bloody Thursday.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Maybe we can get a last minute deal we will see
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2349917
Also the cutting has begun with several teams cutting starters like Denver cutting three. If they can't get an agreement worked out we will see a who's who of NFL rosters maybe enough to fit two probowls.

[jjwr]

This could be ugly, they need to get a deal in place or this is going to get bad quick.

Some big names already cut, Sam Madison, Sam Adams, Laywer Milloy, Trevor Pryce, Mike Anderson with lots more to come. One rumor was the Bucs may cut buth Simeon Rice and Derrick Brooks, Titans may dump Travis Henry as well.

[Ryan Pode]

Chris McAlister may be out the door in Baltimore. I doubt that rumor though, because the Ravens are 14.4 under the cap. However, I am waiting for some QB salary cap-casualties.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Well there has been a three day delay so who knows maybe they could still work something out. The Chiefs cut four players today, two of them are bumbs though (Mcleon and Barber) and the biggest player Warfield isn't that great, IMO. I am still hoping for a deal because the situation is just too dire if not.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I don't know what is going to happen with the NFL negotiations, it goes from hope to dead to now new life with the players sna owners agree to another 72 hours. At least it shows the two sides do realize they need to make a deal. The current situation is bad for both sides and they know it.

[jjwr]

Agreed, with all of the exposure they have gotten I think both sides realized if they don't get a deal they will get tons of bad press so they are pushing hard to get it done.

In the meantime a few big names mentioned, Alexander resigns with the Seahawks making them the NFC Favorite for this season. Bruce is cut from the Rams - Pats, please sign him! Arrington buys his way out of Washington.

[Ryan Pode]

I was reading some articles today namely on Isaac Bruce, Kerry Collins, and Derrick Brooks and all the authors made it sound like once the cap goes away there will be a world war. The owners and union have another year to get a new CBA, jeez.

[jjwr]

It won't be the end of the world but it could get ugly. Once the cap goes away it won't come back again.

[sirdizzy]

I am surprised the Eagles haven't cut Owens yet, I thought he would be the first to get axed and having been paying attention because my team was one of the teams interested in him even if us fans aren't.

Its been almost a week of cuts now and Owens is still and Eagle.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Maybe they are trying to stick it to him by keeping him until June or something. Also there is some hope. Chris Mortisen reported last night that the NFL negotiators agreed to players deal and sending it to the Owners. Now the owners will vote yes or no, tuesday. They need 24 yes votes to get it done. Do they have that many? I think so unless the big rich owners can talk the low level major market teams into joining their ranks.

[sirdizzy]

they would be mad to keep him tell june, hes due a roster bonus and theres no way you want to pay him that just to make him swing a little

[jjwr]

They aren't cutting him because they want to trade him and get something back in return. It would also be crazy to cut him now, if a new deal gets put in place then a lot of teams will have the cap room to make that trade for him but without the deal he will have a very limited market.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Yeah I forgot about that, they are still trying to make a trade. If they cut him though it will probably be before he gets the bonus. I was thinking if there is a new CBA they might save more money by releasing him him June right before he gets that bonus.

[JMK]

They're creating a clause that states if a team cuts a player, after a deal is struck, they can rescind the cutting of that player. Good luck with that! You basically tell a player to get lost, then once a deal gets made they bring him back. Suuuuuure.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Yeah it is part of the new deal it only applies to players who had been cut before Thursday deadline, like Kerry Collins.

[Ryan Pode]

And peace and harmony is restored to the galaxy.

[sirdizzy]

I don't see how the eagles can trade Owens because everyone knows Owens will never play another down as an eagle, so all you got to do is out wait them and force them to sign the roster bonus or release him. Nobody and I mean nobody is going to come foward and offer Philly a trade tell after the roster bonus. I mean why trade for Owens lose players or draft picks and pay his high philly salary when you can wait for them to cut him and sign him for much less and not lose any players. Philly has no bargaining chips, they can't pretend if they can't get a trade they'll just keep him and sign the roster bonus so nobody is going to even bother with him tell afterwards.


glad to see the nfl got their CBA hammered out, nobody wants to see the problems that the nhl and mlb and nba have had recently with strikes and what nots.

[jjwr]

Simply put if a team trades for Owens then they get Owens but if Owens hit the market then everyone has a shot at him. The Eagles are banking that there is at least one team out there that wants him bad enough and won't want to risk him hitting the open market.

[sirdizzy]

Thats the problem I don't think theres one team out there that wants him that bad, hes a rotten apple and teams have seen what he can do to an organiation. He will get signed but for half of his philly contract and he should be glad to get that.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Dallas would be the only team that might try that, knowing Jerry Jones. Oh I am glad the CBA got worked out it had to for the best of the league.

[Jedieb]

In the end, the owners had to get their crap together and get the deal done. If they lost the salary cap in a couple of season it would take an NHL type of work stoppage to ever get it back. From what I've heard, guys like Al Davis actually did some productive work behind the scenes for a change. Only two teams voted against the deal, Buffalo and Cincy. I don't know why Cincy voted against the deal, but apparently the print wasn't large enough for the ancient Ralph Wilson to understand the deal. ESPN radio was having a lot of fun with his quotes today.

Both Owens and Edge should hit the open market soon. Edge still has a shot at staying in Indy. Denver and Dallas are the frontrunners for Owens. Dallas is having trouble working out a deal with MeShauwn and what happens with that egomaniac could well determine where Owens lands. Where ever he goes, his deal is going to have more clauses than a Trump prenup.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I heard Jerry Jones had a hand in it too.

[Ryan Pode]

Drew Brees, Brian Griese, or Kerry Collins?

[jjwr]

Lots of signings, nothing spectacular but some interesting moves.

Browns made a strike and nailed Bently and Jurevisoiuis.

Ravens signed Trevor Pryce which was a bit of a suprise.

Vikings signed Longwell and Chester Tailer. Wonder if t his means the Ravens go after Lewis again?

[Ryan Pode]

They've been talking to his agent. And I hear they are also talking to Edge.


Several free agents being courted by the Washington Redskins sat in the so-called "dream seats" next to the Detroit bench in the second half. Redskins owner Dan Snyder paid $10,000 for the seats.

[jjwr]

Edge just signed with Arizona, they have a scary offense building.

[Ryan Pode]

They need to sign offensive linemen.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Originally posted by jjwr
Edge just signed with Arizona, they have a scary offense building.
They still suck, there defense is weak and they have no Offensive line, probably will still finish next to last.

[JMK]

Originally posted by Jedi Master Carr
They still suck, there defense is weak and they have no Offensive line, probably will still finish next to last.

They will be better, and their defense isn't as bad as people tend to believe. They are 12th in pass defense and 10th against the run. Their biggest problem was turnovers, and Edge will help fix that number.

Their offensive line is still weak, that's true, and I'd expect that they'll go out now and spend some resources to shore it up. Aside from Seattle, it's a WEAK division, so if they can beat up on their opponents a WC isn't out of the question for them.

[Jedi Master Carr]

We will see I just don't think Arizona has a great team and will probably win 6-7 games at best. He obviously went there for the money if he wanted to win a SB he would have stayed with Indy or went to Jax which at least has the players. Another thing about Arizona is Warner, the way he is built he is just one injury away from season ending year end and out. They aren't going to resign Mcnown so if Warner got hurt there season would be sunk.

[jjwr]

Between Edge, Anquan and Fitzgerald Warner now has the weapons to match what he had in St. Louis.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Originally posted by jjwr
Between Edge, Anquan and Fitzgerald Warner now has the weapons to match what he had in St. Louis.
Yeah if he can stay on his feet, the offensive line he has is horrible.

[sirdizzy]

my thoughts so far



Edgerin James signed with Arizona. I like the direction that the cards are trying to go and Edge is a solid back to go with that great duo of recievers of Fitzgerald and Boldin but dear god their first priority should have been offensive line. They don't look like they are going to resign McGown which is a mistake because that line is like swiss cheese and Warner is one good hit from the retirement home so adding edge is great but they are still going to suck if they don't get some guys to protect warner and open some holes for edge.

Baltimore looks to be raiding Denver's castoffs as they signed both Trevor Pryce and Mike Anderson. Looks like Jamal Lewis is going somewhere else, I mean he did rush for 2000 yards in a season he's still got some upside if you can figure out what the hell happened since then. But anderson is not the back to build a future on and this is the reason denver released him, he'll be 33 first of the season and has had soem major injuries in the last few years. He's a solid back and denver used him perfectly by splitting time with a smaller faster back but he's not a franchise back. I think Denver might have wanted to keep Pryce except for the huge price tag it would have taken them to do so, I think the ravens got a steal there as trevor is still a probowler.

The ironic thing is that Denver seems interested in Lewis, They resigned Ron Dayne a pretty good move on their part and he seems to be a top of their depth charts right now and looked pretty good in the little use they got out of him last year. If anyone could resurect Lewis' career it would be Denver who has a style that is perfect for him. Denver hasn't done much after that signing an OT from the lions and just getting a bunch of their player resigned lke Warren and Dayne. And as much as I hate Owens we could really use him, Smith is aging and none of the younger guys have stepped up. IF we got first year Philly Owens we would probably be in the Superbowl next year but the problem is what if you get second year Owens and watch your team blow up from the inside.


The Browns struck first and have done pretty good doing so. They grabbed one of my favorite underrated guys WR Joe Jurevicius who will add some great punch to their reciving game but even more than that they really solidified their offensive line making moves the cardinals should have been trying to make signing C LeCharles Bentley and OT Kevin Shaffer. They also grabbed the aging Ted Washington from the raiders junk pile.


The Redskins must have been looking for some WRs because they grabbed both Antwaan Randle El and Brandon Lloyd but they should have gone after Jurevicius first in my opinion. Randle El will make a good #2 reciever so not a bad pickup.


Of course there are still several more big deals to come. Drew Brees left NO without a deal and is now travelling to Miami, I think San Deigo should have gone for him and instead shopped Rivers but it looks like Phillip will be the chargers starting QB next year. The LB turned QB Daunte Caulpepper wants out of Minnisota and have heard things like the raiders wanting him. And of course their is the soap opera Terrell Owens that still needs to be played out.

[jjwr]

So far both the Browns & Redskins are looking very good.

In only Romeo's second year the Browns could be challenging for a playoff spot. They have Droughns and if both Braylon Edwards and Winslow can come back healthy the offense could be scary.

Redskins were good last year and are only adding to it, they should be in the playoffs again this year.

[JMK]

If the Bengals stay the course, the Steelers remain a SB-caliber team, and the Browns get their young offensive stars back, the AFC North will be one of the best divisions in football. If the Ravens are solid then there's no telling what will happen there.

[Jedi Master Carr]

The Browns have done a good job. I am not sure about the Skins they spend money every year and have nothing really to show for it.

[jjwr]

In the past the Skins overspent on aging players. They were a very good team last year but lacked options on offense. By Signing Fauria, Randle-El and trading for Floyd they now have room to spread it around.

That division will be killer next year, Ravens could be very good if they get a QB who has a pulse and is consistent.

[JMK]

Someone needs to explain why the Skins keep adding small receivers?

[sirdizzy]

problem is when your in tough division like that you spend all year beating the crap out of each other and nobody does anything during the playoffs

look at the teams that make the siperbowl, steelers from an ok division last year and the seahawks from a very weak division, the year before NE from a very weak afc east and philly from an ok division

[Figrin D'an]

Looks like there's a very good chance Brees could end up with the Dolphins. I agree with dizzy that it was a mistake for San Diego to let him out onto the open market, but it's their loss.

The Ravens resigned Jamal Lewis... pretty big surprise there, it seemed almost a sure thing that he would be in a different uniform in '06.

[JMK]

Hopefully the Chargers mistake will be the Dolphins gain. :D

[Jedi Master Carr]

Its between the Dolphins and Saints for Brees I think. Not sure what will happen with Culpepepper. I figure the Vikings will release him now they couldn't work a trade out with Oakland.

[sirdizzy]

well today is owens cut day, the eagles have tell 4pm et to cut him or pay him the 5 million roster bonus

[JMK]

The Saints would be nuts to pass up Leinart or Young. They've got a shot at either one. If they want to trade their pick in order to stockpike then I guess I understand, but I think they should draft a QB they can keep for the next decade.

[JMK]

I just heard that the Dolphins have traded for Culpepper. They gave up a 2nd round pick. This is a great risk for Miami. Good deal if Culpepper can get healthy, but could be disastrous if he's the bum we saw last year before he got hurt.

[Ryan Pode]

Culpepper plays great every other year, so...

[jjwr]

If they can re-work his contract long term and afford him the time to get healthy it could turn out to be a great trade for them.

And the Saints just signed Brees well. Let the offers for Leinart begin!

[Figrin D'an]

Yeah, it's official, the 'Fins gave up a second round pick to get Culpepper. And Brees inked a 6 year, $60 million deal with the Saints.


This is really going to shake up the top of the draft. This means Leinart is going to fall to #3 to Titans (they'll take him over Young, especially if Norm Chow gets a say in the choice). The Saints will probably take Mario Williams #2 overall now. The Jets could take Young at #4, but it's a toss-up, they might still take D'Brickashaw Ferguson to fill a greater need. If that happens, Young could end up going #7 to Oakland, whom still have a QB need, having released Kerry Collins and failing to get Culpepper. Oakland supposedly is really high on Jay Cutler, though. Should the Raiders opt for Cutler instead, Young could fall a long way, ala Aaron Rodgers last year, or Ben Roethlisberger a few years ago.

[JMK]

As long as his knee gets better I'm sure he'll be more than adequate for the Dolphins.

[jjwr]

You may see the Jets make a play for that #2 pick now that Lienart is now open. They could definetly use a QB.

Problem with Young is he won't be ready to play this year, I still wouldn't be suprised to see the Titans take him and let McNair tutor him this year and Young will take over next year.

[JMK]

Wouldn't that be a great tutor/student scenario with McNair & Young. If I were the Titans I'd try to set that up with everything I've got.

[sirdizzy]

it'll be interesting to say the least, i think the saints should trade that pick away or draft Leinart and trade him ala the manning/rivers deal.

so that means aaron brooks is in the market now too, I think he could resurect his career with a new team. I was looking at cleveland and I think he might be a better choice than Dilfer or maybe oakland since collins is gone.

and owens was released

[JMK]

Has anyone in this year's draft class come out and say they won't play for a certain team like Manning did?

[Jedi Master Carr]

Good trade by Miami, Culpepper still has something left. I think the Saints will trade that pick, Oakland or the Jets could move up to try to get Leinhart. I still think the Titans will take Young because of Mcnair being good friends with him, plus Young can learn behind him. I don't see Leinhart sitting on the bench for 2-3 years behind Mcnair.

[Yog]

Originally posted by sirdizzy
and owens was released

.. and this means he is free to pick up on the market for any team?

[Jedi Master Carr]

Originally posted by Master Yoghurt
.. and this means he is free to pick up on the market for any team?
Yep, according to ESPN Dallas, Denver and Kansas City are the leading candidates. I think the Chiefs aren't that serious though, so I think Dallas will get him, especially since they released Keshawn today.

[Jedieb]

That was a HUGE move by the Dolphins. This will be the best QB they've had since Marino. The AFC East is going to be up for grabs next season.

[jjwr]

That was a HUGE move by the Dolphins. This will be the best QB they've had since Marino. The AFC East is going to be up for grabs next season.

I wouldn't quite say that yet ;)

[JMK]

Hey, they finished one game out of first last year, with Gus Frerotte behind center. They started 3-7, and you can bet that won't happen again. Now Saban has had a full year under his belt, now he'll have a full off season to draft and makes moves.
The addition of Culpepper (provided he's healthy) will make this a much stronger team.

[jjwr]

Agreed, don't forget the Pats game them the last game of the year and played most of the year with 2nd and 3rd stringers at a log of key positions. Pats will be stronger as well.

I'm not saying they won't be good and if the pieces fall right they could be very good and win the division but I still say it goes to the Pats.

Then on the flip side unless the Pats actually decide to sign someone they are going to be in trouble. Its hard to doubt Belechick & Pioli but so far they have a total of 2 WR's on their roster, only 3 LBs and their secondary is as shaky as ever. Lets not forget how old Dillon looked last year. I know they like to be thrifty but how about signing at least someone?

[jjwr]

And Pats lose another one. I can see them not matching the #'s offered on McGinest but it would be nice for them to sign someone....

I know they are trying to resign both Branch & Seymour long term which will eat up a lot of their money but with the holes in their roster if they don't do something soon they are going to miss out on the solid Free Agents and be forced to fill critical holes through the draft.

Right now they need a
ILB/OLB Starter not to mention backups
CB/Nickel Back
WR - Only have 2 on the roster

In addition to the following positions which they have holes in

SS - Incase Harrison can't make it back
RB - Dillon looked really old last year
O-Line backups - Decimated last year and looking to lose 2 of their backups
FB - Pass/Faulk are both getting older and Faulk has fumblitis

About the only positions they are set is at QB, D Line and TE.

If they fill their holes and don't have the injuries they did last year they should be ok but if players start going down again no way will the bench hold up like it did last year.

I'd love to see them sign

DeShea Townsend at CB, gives them 3 young solid CBs
Fabini for O-Line help and resign Neal as a backup
LB...who knows, Julian Peterson would be a monster in their system but I doubt they would pay him
Keyshawn for short term, bring back Brown and another solid WR for the 4/5 Slot

RB....draft LenDale White or DeAngelo Williams....PLEASE!!!!!

[Jedi Master Carr]

Kansas City has been stingy so far as well. They have brought two guys in and one went back to his old team. Of course they only have two starters in FA and one they can lose without any worries. I have a feeling though they will end up signing Ty Law with an incentive based salary, but that is just my gut feeling.

[jjwr]

Pats have a lot more space though, something like 22 Million under the cap still. They do have Deshea Townsend in town today, he would be a nice CB pickup.

What worries me is Vinatieri visits Green Bay tomorrow, they can't lose him too!

[JMK]

Oh dear lord I hope Vinatieri leaves! I'm so sick of him!

Did GB lose Longwell?

[Ryan Pode]

Longwell is now a Viking. The Ravens desperately need to sign an O lineman, I don't even care if he is good or not, just some sign that they are trying.

[jjwr]

Oh dear lord I hope Vinatieri leaves! I'm so sick of him!

LOL...oh come on he's not that bad :)

Then again the phins are a bit sick of Mare so maybe if the Pats lose Vinatieri they can get Olindo :)

[JMK]

That would be even worse. :x

The thing that bothers me about Vinatieri is that he's so friggin clutch. Makes me spit nails!

[jjwr]

Agreed, which makes me wonder why the Pats would let him go. If you have the cash to spare then sign the guy, $2.5+ Mil per year isn't much when you consider how clutch the guy is.

[sirdizzy]

Arizona proved once again they are one of the stupidest franchises ever. I mean grabbing edge was great but letting McCown go who just signed with the Lions is about as boneheaded as you can get. Warner is not a QB for half a year much less someone to build a future on to go with boldin, fitzgerald and edge. they should trade up and go after young or leinhart.

Sad thing is the best 2 qbs left (Kitna also signed with the lions) on the marker are Joey Harrington and Aarron Brooks good luck to anybody who signs either of those guys.


And I have never been impressed by Caulpepper and I dont think Miami will get out of him what all you phins fans think you will, Sure hes better than anything you had but just like Vick hes a QB that will never win a super bowl.

[Ryan Pode]

Collins and Griese are still left. Griese, who I want in Baltimore, would be a great fit in Arizona. He's very accurate with good arm strength.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Griese is the best QB left available. Maybe Patrick Ramsey, Harrington could improve if he gets to the right team, but he is a gamble at this point in his career. The Chiefs need a new back up, they lost Todd Collins to FA, I think they are better off going with Ramsey myself, I am not sold on Harrington.

[JMK]

I think Harrington could just use a change of scenery and an offense that stays in one piece. His RBs have been pretty weak and his receivers can't stay together.

[jjwr]

The Pats signed someone!!!! Stop the presses. Reche Caldwell to help shore up their receiving corp.

Its a start :)

[Jedi Master Carr]

Kansas City signed somebody too, they got Quentin Griffin from Denver. Not sure if that means Holmes is going to retire or not.

[JMK]

If Holmes was smart he'd call it quits. There's no reason for him to return. He's not going to take over Johnson now, and to start a controversy over whether or not to move him just seems wrong IMO.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Well, if was willing like Marcus Faulk or Jerome Bettis and say he was just a third down, and short yardage back than he could stick around a few years. Of course we don't know what the doctor told him.

[Ryan Pode]

Whatever the case with Holmes, I hope he goes out on his own terms.

[sirdizzy]

ummm I am Broncos fan I had the displeasure of watching Brian Griese for 4 years, he is not the best QB left by a long shot. this is guy is the empitomy of a .500 qb, you may get one maybe two games out of him but then by god you are going to get one or two bad games out of him. This guy couldn't string a winning streak together if you gave him Rice and barry sanders in their primes with the 1993 dallas o line in front of him. He is Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde times ten.

[Ryan Pode]

Denver was a bad situation. It was very similar to his days in Miami. He was a young QB, who came in to replace an HOF QB. His style of ball really didn't fit the system, but as apparent in Tampa, he was accurate. He can make all the throws. He is better in my opinion than Kerry Collins and Jamie Martin. And I think he can be the type of QB that can push Kyle Boller to be consistently good and a reliable backup should he get hurt. Now there is some talk the Ravens are waiting for McNair and his 23.something million dollar contract to be released, but who knows when that will occur. I'd rather take the cautious side and go with Griese or Collins are worst, than get screwed when the Titans keep McNair.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Griese is better than Collins, Harrington and Martin. If I was KC I think about signing him as a backup. And Owens is a Cowboy. I think they are nuts signing him, but this is Jerry Jones we are talking about.

[JMK]

I can't wait to see the Cowboys in Philly for the first time.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Yeah that should be a fun game.

[Jedieb]

Watching Owens play for Dallas is going to make me sick. He'll probably end up giving the Cowboys the division. You know he'll end up giving the Cowboys some huge numbers against Philly. If they sweep the Eagles next season that could end up being the . Jones should have a much better season with Owens replacing MeShauwn. Bledsoe is now going to have a plethora of targets.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Originally posted by Jedieb
Watching Owens play for Dallas is going to make me sick. He'll probably end up giving the Cowboys the division. You know he'll end up giving the Cowboys some huge numbers against Philly. If they sweep the Eagles next season that could end up being the . Jones should have a much better season with Owens replacing MeShauwn. Bledsoe is now going to have a plethora of targets.

Well the Giants are still in that division and the same with the Redskins, I have a feeling the division is still up for grabs. That division is just brutal.

[Yog]

Its funny how one of the things Owens is known for is dancing on the Dallas star :)

With Bledsoe, this could be a record season for Owens, assuming he knows not to say or do anything stupid that might reduce his playing time. I would hope he learned something from the experience with the Eagles.


Watching Owens play for Dallas is going to make me sick. He'll probably end up giving the Cowboys the division

But I thought you were rooting for the cowboys, hoping they would do well?

[Jedi Master Carr]

Originally posted by Master Yoghurt
Its funny how one of the things Owens is known for is dancing on the Dallas star :)

With Bledsoe, this could be a record season for Owens, assuming he knows not to say or do anything stupid that might reduce his playing time. I would hope he learned something from the experience with the Eagles.



But I thought you were rooting for the cowboys, hoping they would do well?
Not necessarly, Bledsoe has a tendancy to hold the ball too long which results in a lot of sacks. He is also not the most accurate QB in the world so who knows. IMO Mncabb is a better QB than Bledsoe is at this stage of his career.

[sirdizzy]

LOL cmon Owens spents years ripping on Jeff Garcia then Donovan McNabb and now hes got Drew Bledsoe, hahahahahahahaha


lets do an over/under

Week 8 of the season

how long before Owens bashing Bledsoe banaza begins

I'll take the Under

[Jedi Master Carr]

I actually agree with Dizzy, Owens will be bashing Bledsoe before the midseason point. On other QB news it looks like the Chiefs are interested in bringing in Harrington as the Backup for Green. Actually that would be the best thing for Harrington have to be behind a veteren QB for a couple of years, it might help him be a better QB.

[JMK]

I think Owens will be a good boy for the upcoming season. It will be the 07 season where his real persona comes out.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Originally posted by JMK
I think Owens will be a good boy for the upcoming season. It will be the 07 season where his real persona comes out.
Well regardless, I don't see the Cowboys going to the SB because of it. They don't have a strong running game and Bledsoe isn't a great QB anymore.

[sirdizzy]

LOL no all it will take is back to back games of totem pole bledsoe goodness and Owens will go crazy

for all those who wonder about the totem pole reference its from his days as bill and my good friend who is a bills fantatic and way too much Madden (broncos vs the bills of course and the broncos winning %75 of the time). Bledsoe is like a totem pole the center bumps back as he hikes the ball, except for the totem pole has more mobility.

[JMK]

I actually can see T.O. taking the Cowboys to the SB. I don't think it will happen, but I can picture it. The Bucs of '02 proved that you don't absolutely need a GREAT QB to take you there, let alone win it. Look what T.O. did in his first year with the Eagles, they went all the way, granted they were an excellent team before he got there, he just put them over the hump. Like I said, I don't think it will happen, but in the relatively weak NFC, anything can happen.

[jjwr]

The problem with Bledsoe is he isn't mobile, teams know this yet put him behind crappy o-lines. If the Cowboys don't bulk up that line they are in trouble.

As for Bledsoe himself, he has a better arm than Garcia or McNabb and can get TO the ball anywhere on the field.

[Ryan Pode]

Brad Johnson while not a "great" QB, he got sacked 21 times, while throwing 22 TDs to 6 INTs--supported by a great defense. So, he may not be great, but he had a great season.

[JMK]

True, he did have a great season, but Bledsoe can have one as well, especially with the greatly improved receiver core he's got now. A couple good moves on the O-Line and Dallas will be a strong offensive team.

[Jedi Master Carr]

It looks like Joey Harrington is going to get released. I wonder who will pick him up? I know Kansas City was interested in him as a back up. I think he is a worth a shot. He might just need a change in scenery.

[JMK]

I agree. I previously posted that I believe that he just needs to get away from Detroit. He's obviously not met expectations, but he could still be a late bloomer. He could learn a thing or 2 from Trent Green in KC, then take over for him in a couple years when he's ready to call it quits. By then Harrington should be in his late 20's, in his prime and mature enough to either step up or step aside.

[jjwr]

And Vinatieri is on his way to the Colts....I haven't seen a sellout this bad since a certain center fielder!!

[JMK]

Or a guy who pranced all over the Dallas star signing with them a couple years later? ;)

Seriously though, what are the Patriots doing? Are they still trying to prove that anyone is irreplaceable?

[jjwr]

I really don't know. I'm reallyu curious what the numbers will end up being. Pats had an offer on the table which would have made him the highest paid kicker in the league so either the Colts blew him away or the Pats just didn't show enough interest.

I know the Pats are planning for next year, some of thier best young players will be free agents next year and they want to sign them long term now, players including Richard Seymour & Deion Branch.

[JMK]

Maybe the Colts offered more money up front. Vinatieri has had a bad back so maybe he's just trying to take the money and run.

[jjwr]

Could be, another point I read is maybe as he's progressing in age with his bad back he's looking for a dome to kick in to extend his career.

[JMK]

Favre STILL hasn't made up his mind.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11621807/

With the draft coming up and mini camps starting, he's got to have some consideration for the team at this point, no more excuses. He's had a LONG, LONG time to think about this now, and I'm sure it's a tough call, but decide already, many people's job depends on your decision.

[Jedi Master Carr]

He is making it hard on GB. The packers are in a mess, between him and Walker (who GB says they won't trade but Walker has said he would retire before he played for Green Bay again). It looks like they will be horrible next season.

[JMK]

It seems everyone and their dog knows the Pack will most likely be horrible again, but Favre says he won't come back for another losing year.

Brett..my man, who are you kidding? Your center is gone, your #1 receiver wants no part of the team. You won't be winning many games again this year. It's an easy call. If you don't want another losing year, retire.

[jjwr]

The team needs to grow a pair and let him know to make a decision. He is really holding the team hostage here, are they in a rebuild mode or are they going to try and stock up for one more shot at it?

[JMK]

Exactly, they've got some cap space, and a high pick. Will they spend the cap room on free agents and trade the high pick for proven talent and take a last shot for Brett (which I think would be ridiculous to mortgage your future, Favre has already said win or lose, this is definetly his last year)?

[jjwr]

Yup he said 2006 will be his last year regardless. There is no reason to expect he'll come out and get over all the stupid mistakes he's been making.

Dr Z on Cnnsi.com made a good point, if the Packers don't get someone that will actually get in his face and let him know how badly he was playing then it won't make a difference. As he said it really doesn't help when you have someone like Madden on TV saying its not his fault, the receivers aren't that good, he's having a lot of fun, etc. So many announcers kiss his butt and the media gives him a free pass. As Dr Z, someone needs to tell him that if he was anyone else he would have been benched last year for playing so badly.

[Figrin D'an]

He did have a sub-par season compared to even his other more recent seasons, but he's wasn't so bad that he would have been benched if his last name wasn't Favre. Between the injuries suffered at key positions to some big free-agent departures, there was very little to work with for most of the Packers 2005 season. Despite that, they at least were in most of their games in the 4th quarter (they had something like 6 losses by 3 points or less). He did make some bad plays that cost them in certain situations, but he also made some plays to keep them in games at times too. In that respect, he's the same player he was 10 years ago... he takes risks, sometimes they pay off and sometimes they don't. The difference was, 10 years ago, besides being more youthful, he had a coach who knew when to reign him in. While I did like Mike Sherman, he was never able to stringent with Favre like Holmgren was, and it ultimately proved to be his downfall.


That said, my position on Favre is this... he needs to either: a) commit to another 3-4 seasons, get through a couple years of rebuilding, then take another shot at a Super Bowl, or b) retire now and let the franchise move on. This "one more year" stuff after dragging out the will-he-won't-he retirement dance is a steaming pile of BS. He pulled this last year, and everyone was willing to give him time because of everything that he went through personally in 2004. This year, the patience of a lot of Packer fans, including myself, is all but gone. If Ted Thompson had a pair, he'd tell Favre flat out, "We need your answer now, or we're going to assume you don't want to come back and we're going to cut you to recover salary cap room." Favre has been a great player, and has been the key contributor to a decade of success for the Packers franchise, but he is not more important than the long term health of the organization. Green Bay needs to build for the future. They have high draft pick to use, they have a lot of money to spend on free agents, and they have a young QB that needs playing time to see if he will be the leader they'll need.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Well the Patriots signed Warfield. As a Chief fan jjwr, I say good luck on keeping him sober. He has a huge drinking problem from what I have read about him. He was constantly reported to be in bars and was arrested twice for DUIs. One more of those and he will get suspended for a year. I am not too sure if he is good for your team.

[JMK]

If he can't make it work in New England, then he's not right for the league. The Pats always emphasize team play and putting the team first. If that culture can't set Warfield straight then he's going to drink himself out of the league.

On a happier note, all charges against Culpepper for the love boat cruise have been dropped. :)

[Ryan Pode]

And on an even happier note, Steve McNair has been barred from the Titans practice facility. :D

[Jedi Master Carr]

Originally posted by Ryan Pode
And on an even happier note, Steve McNair has been barred from the Titans practice facility. :D
Why?
As for Warfield, you are right although he isn't really a team player, at least he wasn't with the Chiefs. He reminds me of Ty Law in a way as far as attitude goes.

[JMK]

He was told to go home until he agrees to have his contract reworked. Typical NFL. Give a guy a fat contract, make him happy, then a couple years later tell him that he's going to be booted from camp, or cut if he won't redo his contract. We rip guys like T.O. for wanting new contracts, IMO teams need to get just as hammered by the media when they want to restructure players' deals.

[Ryan Pode]

Originally posted by JMK
He was told to go home until he agrees to have his contract reworked. Typical NFL. Give a guy a fat contract, make him happy, then a couple years later tell him that he's going to be booted from camp, or cut if he won't redo his contract. We rip guys like T.O. for wanting new contracts, IMO teams need to get just as hammered by the media when they want to restructure players' deals.

Essentially, emphasis on the getting cut. If Steve McNair gets cut he will end up in Baltimore. And QBs are like a fine wine, they get better with age.

[Jedieb]

The Cowboys are going to be dangerous next year, unwatchable with Owens wearing the star, but dangerous. He's going to have a domino effect. Jones had a bit of a sophmore slump, but he's sure to have a better season with Owens and Glenn at wideout. Bledsoe now has two speed receivers to throw to. Also, Owens is probably going to two of his best games against division rival Philly. The playoffs look like a lock and in the NFC, practically anyone can make it to the SB.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Originally posted by Jedieb
The Cowboys are going to be dangerous next year, unwatchable with Owens wearing the star, but dangerous. He's going to have a domino effect. Jones had a bit of a sophmore slump, but he's sure to have a better season with Owens and Glenn at wideout. Bledsoe now has two speed receivers to throw to. Also, Owens is probably going to two of his best games against division rival Philly. The playoffs look like a lock and in the NFC, practically anyone can make it to the SB.


That division will be brutal. With the always spend happy Redskins and the young Giants. I think the division winner will win 10-11 games max. Of course all three teams could make the playoffs. I actually give Seattle the edge to getting back to the SB. The fact they kept everybody but Hutchinson and added Petersen to that defensen and Burleson to that Offense. They look better next year than last season.

[jjwr]

The Packers get 3 Primetime Games? Do the schedule makers not realize people don't care about the Packers anymore? This was a horrible team last year and I can just about guarantee you 2 of these games will be targeted for swapping out

[Ryan Pode]

Personally I enjoyed watching the Packers get blown out 48-3 when they played the Ravens on MNF. :)

[JMK]

I guess they are banking on Favre coming back for another season.


I guess the wheels are in motion now by ABC to coerce Brett into one more year. It's the ONLY possible reason for them to schedule 3 games. That's nonsense IMO.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Yeah some of those prime time games are just nuts. Why give the packers so many games? If Favre retires they are going to stink, probably win 2-3 games next year. Same goes for the Raiders, why are they on Monday night twice? They could be worse next year with Brooks at QB. If he plays like he did last season, they will be lucky to win 3 games. And then the Chiefs get the shaft, no monday night game, and only 3 prime time games. Although, the Thanksgiving game is on NFL Network. I am really thankful I have that, although not sure how much of it will I see anyway with it being a holiday. The only blessing is the flexibility on Sunday nights. I think that will help give us good games with playoff teams on those nights.

[Jedieb]

Wow, some Favre news courtesy of The Onion!
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/47431

[Ryan Pode]

I wish they trade him. Because then either he'll shut up and retire. But if he does decide to play, I hope they ship him to Baltimore.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Ricky Williams got suspended today for the 2006 Season. Lets say I am not surprised.

[Ryan Pode]

I was hoping he wouldn't. But oh well. At least they've got Brown.

[Figrin D'an]

ESPN is reporting that Favre has told the Packers he'll be back for the 2006 season.

At least he made up his damn mind before the Draft.


Of course, Green Bay will probably win 5-6 games this year, and we'll have Round 3 of this crap next offseason.

[sirdizzy]

I don't see where Farve making the decision to play another year would have effected the packers draft in the slightest. They need a QB regardless, you draft that QB now and you get to give him one year of tutelage under Farve and hes your starter next year. Either Young or Leinhart should be still available by #5 so you take the one available.

The big question is will Houston be smart and pass on Bush and go for the better player in the draft Williams. I am sorry Domanic Davis is a doable rb and rbs are a dime a dozen, especially now that they have the denver running back guru Kubiac running the show. He can make Davis work and work well, RBs have a shelf life in the NFL of like 3 years, while on the other hand pass rushers of Williams caliber only come around once every decade or so.

[sirdizzy]

You know who has the best draft spot in the entire draft, the saints. They can't lose, if houston takes Bush they can draft Williams. If they take Williams they get Bush. And since they shored up their QB problem with Brees they don't even have to be tempted to take Young or Leinhart.

[JMK]

Damn you Ricky!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cry I guess I shouldn't be shocked, but I was hoping this guy would keep things on the up and up. Oh well.

Favre finally comes to a decision. Wellllllll thanks for that Brett. About damn time. Figrin's right. The Pack will win 5-7 games and we will be talking about this again in a year from now unless Brett just says this is it, no question about it. He should spend the season saying farewell to the fans and tutoring Aaron Rogers. He's not going to win anything so he should just accept that and do what's best for the team.

[Jedi Master Carr]

He should say this is and do what you say JMK it is really the best thing.

[JMK]

Usually what I say is the best thing. ;)

Really though, the Packers want and need to rebuild. Favre is a God and can't be pushed out the door, Wisconsin would blow itself off the map. But he really isn't doing the Packers any favors. Now comes the rumor that they are thinking of using their #5 pick on a QB because they don't believe in Rogers.

[Figrin D'an]

Originally posted by JMK
Now comes the rumor that they are thinking of using their #5 pick on a QB because they don't believe in Rogers.


I still think think that's a smoke screen, just as other teams are using regarding their draft intentions. No one with a top-7 pick wants to show their hand before draft day because of the possibility that some other team will make a last minute, can't pass offer to trade up. The Packers need defensive help, either an end or a linebacker. They'll either take Mario Williams if he falls that far, or A.J Hawk, or they'll trade out if that impossible-to-pass-on offer comes along.

[JMK]

I think you may be right. There's smokescreens and rumors about every top 5 pick now except Williams.

Leinart has had some things said about him, as has Cutler. Bush is under the microscope with his new scandal, Young has been accused of being as dumb as a post and no one has shown their hand yet. You've just got to wonder sometimes. Going back to last year it seems like the Packers never have been overly impressed with Rogers. We will know in a week from now.

[Ryan Pode]

The "Scandal" is all BS. The worst thing that can happen is USC forfeits the last season's games but I doubt that will happen. If anything, USC will go on probahation (loss of scholarships possibly) but it doesn't change the fact that Bush still is Bush nor does it affect how his character shows as he didn't live at the house or even sign with the guy who owned it.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I think it is BS, if he had signed with the guy's company then I would believe it more.

[jjwr]

I dobut its BS, these kids aren't stupid, they know they are going to be making tons in the future and lots of people will want a piece of it which gives the athletes a lot of chances at abuse. An $800,000 house?

No its not like he killed someone but they had to have known it was wrong.

[JMK]

I'm sure this happens a lot more than people care to believe. I'm not sure what to believe these days as it is so convoluted most of the time. Needless to say, today's athletes are so money hungry and want their wealth so badly that they'll bend or break any rule if there's even a chance they'll get away with it. Same goes for steroids. They'll roll the dice, even if they know it will cost them down the line, with either their health or their reputation. As long as they can bank a few million at the get-go and shore up their financial future, it's all good.

[jjwr]

What gets me is how stupid the NCAA rules are, they make boatloads of $$$ off of these guys but the players can't do squat or get squat. If they would loosen up a bit and actually let them get something in college I'm sure more of them would stay for longer.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Big Shock, The Texans are going to select Mario Williams as first pick
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2426003
The Texans are nuts, Bush is the best player, IMO. Now will the Saints take him? I think they trade him to the 49ers, Jets or some other team they don't really need Bush that badly.

[Ryan Pode]

No way the Saints will pass him.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Originally posted by Ryan Pode
No way the Saints will pass him.

They don't need him though, they have McAllistar, what will they do with him? I think they should take the best offer and build up that franchise they can get two first round picks to make that team better.

[Ryan Pode]

McAlister is getting up in the years and got hurt last year. Always draft the best player available. Look at the Ravens. In 1999, a year after they took Duane Starks (when he was still a beast) they took Chris McAlister. It always works out for the best.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Originally posted by Ryan Pode
McAlister is getting up in the years and got hurt last year. Always draft the best player available. Look at the Ravens. In 1999, a year after they took Duane Starks (when he was still a beast) they took Chris McAlister. It always works out for the best.
Still they can't cut or trade Mcallistar because they have to eat that 12 million signing bonus. They are stuck with him for two years. They will basicaly be paying 80 million for one position which is insane. They are better off trading the 2 pick to the team that offers them the best deal. The only rumored deal I have heard so far is from the Niners and it was them offering both first rounders this year, their second and a first or second next year.

[Jedieb]

The Texans are just plain nuts. Am I the only one that thinks they could have traded down and still had a shot at Mario Williams? If Bush and Williams both reach their potential it will still be Bush that has the more spectacular and productive career. The Texans are going to regret this decision.

Here comes Tag with the first pick and the Saints are on the clock. If they trade down a team like the Jets will be in pretty good shape. I think they need to go after Leinert, but a trade could give them a shot at Bush and with Curtis Martin's age, that would be a great pick.

[Ryan Pode]

Leinart or D'Brickashaw?

[Ryan Pode]

The Brick it is. Jet fans seem very happy, but I would've taken Leinhart. You have to figure you will be a top 10 picking team next season and there will be tackles on the same-level if not better than Ferguson. You won't have another QB like Leinhart for a few years.

[sirdizzy]

I am surrpised we traded up to get Cutler, I mean we still got plummer and Van Pelt is a decent backup and we had way more pressing needs than a qb. Only 1 WR went in the first round Holmes at #25 which makes me mad we traded are #22 pick to the niners because we could have grabbed him or jackson with that pick. We really need a WR. Jackson is still on the board and we pick at 37, so if GB or Washington doesn't grab him thats who we should get.

[sirdizzy]

DAMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

NE grabbed Jackson at 36, why the heck did we trade that #22 pick, we could have had Santonio Holmes arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[sirdizzy]

Arizona got a steal with Leinhart at #10, letting McCown go was a mistake now they got someone to take over when Kurt Warner craps out.

[sirdizzy]

what is going on damn it, we had 3 picks of the first 37 picks in the draft and now we have traded away 2 of them, we got #11 Cutler for a possition we really didn't need and could have had 2 top WRs instead or a RB. I am getting pissed off by this draft.

[sirdizzy]

Ok I am little happier I see we traded that 37 pick for Javon Walker from GB, so we get to fill our WR void a little, and Walker should make a great fill in.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I am still not sure how Bush will fit in with NO. It will make that team very high offense, should lead the NFC in scoring (it makes the NFC south the toughest division in football I bet the winner of that divison wins 10 games). I guess they weren't going to make the mistake that the Texans did. I am realtively happy with what KC did, they got a pass rusher in Hali from Penn State. He seems like a good pick, although I think they could have traded down to get him.

[jjwr]

Very intriguing draft so far, and the 1st round was rather quick too as a lot of teams were picking earlier in the 15 minute frame.

I can understand why the Texans did what they did, at #1 they were in a position where they had to either take Bush or pass on him, no way they could have traded down. Too many good players accross the board for a team to give up a bounty to move to #1.

Leinart in Arizona will work very well, with Boldin & Fitzgerald? Ouch! Not this year but give him a year or two.

Pats actually picked a Running Back!! I was hoping they would but I was resigned to the fact that it would be a Line Backer or DB. With Maroney splitting carries with Dillon the Pats offense just got a lot scarier.

Then Jackson in round #2. Great move to trade up and snag him, ok size and he'll have a great cast around him to learn from. I'm sure the Pats knew if they didn't move ahead of the Bronco's he would be gone.

[Ryan Pode]

Ravens did good. I love Ngata at 12, there other picks I really don't know of, but I trust Ozzie Newsome.

I really like what the Texans have done. They got a pass rusher, then
they picked up a good linebacker in Ryans. Then the kicker was at the top of the third, picking up Spencer and Winston, two players projected to go 1st-2nd round. Addressing big weaknesses.

Bills: WTF, Who is John McCargo?

Maroney is overrated. He played behind the best offensive line in college against weak defenses.

And Pittsburghs move for Santonio Holmes seems like a desperate grab for a WR. And Anthony Smith, Syracuse? o_O

[sirdizzy]

I'd love to have gotten Jackson but I am actually happier with Walker. For the most part it takes 3 years to tutor a reciever in the nfl with of course exceptions every now and then like Boldin. So it could be 3 years before you know if you have got something worthwhile out of your pick. On the other hand Walker is already pass his 3 yea tuturage and proven that he can be a probowler with his 2004 season. Plus he's just the #2 man, Smith should still draw the doubles for a year maybe 2 more. And if he doesn't Smith is still good enough to torch another team.

Then we took Tony Sheffler later in the second to get us a pretty good TE. Getting Plummer some threats to throw through should help him vastly and we can cut down on mistakes even more. I like the Jay Cutler deal more now that I see we filled our biggest hole, I am not too worried about RB, I think a Dayne/Bell tandem will work as well as the Anderson/Bell tandem did last year. Heck maybe we can find out Terrell Davis again in the 6th round once more,

I think with our 3 picks in the 4th round tomorrow we should look at a good pass rusher and maybe some depth at the LB and S possitions,

[Nathanial K'cansce]

Originally posted by Ryan Pode


Bills: WTF, Who is John McCargo?



As a Bills fan, I am not too happy abuot how their drafting went. But we'll see if it pays off. *hopes*

*cough* why didn't you go for Lienart!?

[Ryan Pode]

I feel sorry for you. If I was a Bills fan, I probably would have killed myself. I'm sure they'll b oth work out for the team, but they are 2nd or 3rd round picks, not 1st. So don't think Whitner will be the next Ed Reed or McCargo the next Vince Wilfork.

[sirdizzy]

I have to doubt some of those wrs we drafted in the 4th round because with the addition of Walker and some of our other young talent thats maturing its unlikely both will make the team. Charlie Addams looked good last year and Darius Watts has shown some signs he could be good even though he was a dissapointment last year. I think they might shop Ashlie Lelie who has been disgruntled since we tried to sign Owens. We have been weak at WR for 3-4 years now and I love walker and if Adams continues to be good we could have a solid 1-2-3 punch in Smith/Walker/Adams and we could let Lelie go. Plus we did draft the second best TE in the draft in my opinion.

We went for offensive line depth in the later rounds grabbing a Center and a Tackle. And we did get a DE, I still think we could have used a LB or a S rather than a 3rd WR.

[Ryan Pode]

Marcus Vick is gonna turn into the guy from Any Given Sunday. Mark my words.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I like what the Chiefs did, the best pick could be the QB from Alabama he has a lot of upside, if he can stay healthy. That WR they got in the Sixth round looks like a catching machine had 92 catches last year, but not much speed. Overall I think they did a good job, I would have traded down with that first pick. They could have got Hali at the end of the first round, even though I think he could be a very good player (he has a lot of heart from what I have read.) An extra pick could have helped.

[Ryan Pode]

Doug Flutie for Pro Football Hall of Fame?

21 seasons.
64938 yards of career total offense.
3 Leagues.
Pro-Bowl.
Great Humanitarian.

I think he can do it, not a shoe in, but definately a possibility somewhere down the line.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Maybe years from now. The problem is a lot of that offense is from the CFL.

[Ryan Pode]

Yeah, where he set the level, playing at barely 5'9. I think he'll be remembered as that underdog who made it 21 years. Definately someone to think about.

[Ryan Pode]

Steve McNair. :D

[Jedi Master Carr]

That division is now officiall insane. Should make for some exciting games though.

[JMK]

It will be interesting to see how much McNair has left. But McNair at 10% is better than Boller at 100%.

[Ryan Pode]

McNair will make Boller better. Boller is the future. He has the tools and flashes the ability, just lacks consistency. Talk about a stacked division though.

[Jedieb]

The second McNair signs that contract, the long Baltimore nightmare that is Kyle Boller will be OVER. Boller wil be throwing INT's for another team before you know it.

[jjwr]

Yup Boller is done, he's had 3 years and couldn't do squat with it. Lots of Quarterbacks show flashes and lack consistency but the good ones find it and improve and he hasn't been able to.

[JMK]

Exactly why Harrington was shipped out of Detroit, no? Enough chances to prove himself, just could not, for whatever reason, get the job done.

The difference here is that Billick seems to be absolutely in love with Boller. We'll see if McNair can get him to dump Boller.

[Ryan Pode]

People in Baltimore like Boller too. It's the press that doesn't. Nevermind that his rookie and second years he had no wide receivers whatsoever and in his third year his offensive line was like a cullender. He's not like Harrington who refused to learn the playbook, so they shipped him out. McNair is 33, he is the now, not the future.

[sirdizzy]

With what they are paying McNair there is no way they will be keeping Boller. McNair is only 33, a lot of QBs best years have happened in the 30-38 range (Elway, Young etc...). You can still be looking for a replacement to McNair in 5 years. As a Bronco fan I remember the troop of idiot replacements that they started strutting out when Elway hit McNairs age from Tommy Maddox to Bubby Brister and 7 years after Elway has retired they still haven't found him.

Take the now when you can get it, Steve Young is the only QB that I can think of who was as bad as Kyle Boller his first few years in Tampa and then turned into a hall of famer. If they are bad 3 years they are likely to be bad 13 years, I am sorry Kyle Boller is not the future and never will be.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I have to agree. You dump Bolier, Mcnair could play 5 more years. Boller sitting around that long is nuts.

[Jedieb]

McNair may be only 33, but the last couple of years he's looked like he's in his late 30's. He's been an injury magnet throughout his career. He's gutted most of them out and played through them, but they've taken their toll. I've always liked him, but I'm not sure just how much he has left in the tank. But one thing is for certain, Boller still sucks. :evil

[Jedi Master Carr]

Well the Titans offensive line has been horrible the last two season they can't protect anybody. If the Ravens can protect him, I think he can play 3-5 years.

[Ryan Pode]

You all are influenced by the media's opinion of Kyle Boller. Only looking at the box score, not the game film. I can tell when a QB is terrible. I've endured the likes of Jeff Blake, Eric Zeier, Stoney Case, Trent Dilfer, Anthony Wright, Chris Redman, Tony Banks, and countless others. Boller has the attitude to succeed in the league. If I recall correctly, Drew Brees was San Diego's big problem heading into season four. And Jake Delhomme didn't show up on the screen until his sixth season. Or how about that one guy, Kurt Warner. He was playing Arena Football before he matured.

[Jedi Master Carr]

Boller had more chances than Warner, the guy didn't get a chance in the NFL for years. Delhomme sat the bench for the first few years, and Brees was plagued by Marty Ball part of that time. Boller has had three years as a starter and hasn't proven a thing. Besides if they go with Mcnair there is no way you keep Boller as a back up for three years. Besides I doubt he would want to sit there he would feel betrayed. I expect him to be cut and maybe he does something with his second team.

[sirdizzy]

There is in my opinion 4 different age groups for QBs and they tell you a lot about any QB depending on what age group they are in.

21-25 is the first age group and the group Boller has been and is now leaving. This is the immature somewhat flappable QB that has a lot of growing pains. Almost all QBs have those terrible first few years but by the time they are leaving the immature QB stage you can tell what kind of a QB they are. Except for rare exceptions like Big Ben and Dan Marino you can pretty much throw out the first 2 years, hell Elway was horrible his first two as well. Its the third year that is the marker to tell what kind of QB you have. If after three years the Qb is still the same hanging onto him and trying to fix him rarely works. I like at Brees as that rare four year type that just took longer to develop and was hurt by the system he was forced to play. If after three years the QB is still struggling they rarely ever get over that hump without a change of venue. It took Steve Young leaving Tampa to go to San Fran to start his transformation.

Next is the 25-30 range, this is the range when the QB either becomes a probowler or a bust. Many of the QBs who struggled during the first range will find themselves bouncing from team to team during these years, as teams keep hoping they have matured and occasionally some of them have and the change of venues help. But your future is built in the era, this is when you know if you have a franchise QB or you should still be shopping around for some talent.

Next comes the fine wine era of the NFL QB the 30-38 range. This is when your hall of fame QBs have their best years, they have learned the system and can pick you apart. Montana, Elway, Bradshaw all enjoyed favorable time during this era. This is also the rejuvinated age when guys like Vinny Testerverde can have a few big years because they learned enough to enjoy the fine wine years. How many times have you seen a guy like Vinny that everyone else has given up on but they stuck it out and gained enough knowledge to slice you up. Tommy Maddox who never even really had a career did it, Mark Brunnell and Drew Bledsoe are enjoying a few more good years and a guy like McNair has at least 3 good seasons in him.

Next comes the reach era 38-42 where you go with a guy like Flutie who deffinitly know what they are doing as a stop gap tell you can find yourself a good QB. These are the guys filling in for a year or two tell you can get back on the horse and a lot of teams should carry one as a 3rd stringer there good in a pinch.

[Ryan Pode]

Boller has started 34 games. A little more than two seasons worth. And at the 32 mark, he was throwing TDs like they were going out of style. Nevertheless, Dizzy breaks it down pretty well, and Boller will be a good backup for McNair for the next few years.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I think he won't want that, I bet he asks for his release because he will feel betrayed.

[sirdizzy]

No, a guy like Boller needs a new team, the young 25-30 QB never does well as a backup. They still have to much in them, they want to compete and be the #1 guy still too much, they have trouble swallowing their pride and taking one for the team. Its guys like Vinny or Flutie in their mid 30's who make good backups, you only want to go to them in a pinch never want to rely on them too much. Guys like Boller can never except that role, its a role that says their career is over even before it got started.

[Ryan Pode]

I think Boller will stay a Raven simply for the fact the only coach in the league that likes him is Billick.

[jjwr]

If Harrington can find a new home than so can Boller.

[Jedi Master Carr]

If he leaves, I would say he become a Viking, I don't think Minnesota can rely on Brad Johnson for too long.

[JMK]

Ben Roethlisberger just went through a windshield after a motorbike crash (he was riding the bike). He's in emergency surgery right now.

Wow. I hope he pulls through and lives.

Goddamit why do these athletes get so stupid? I'll bet my last dollar that motorbikes are forbidden in his contract, and he rides one without a helmet. Stupid stupid stupid.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2480830

[Jedieb]

Idiot. The last report I heard said his jaw was broken and that's what the surgery was for. I wonder how far this will set him back.

Again, Boller sucks.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2474430

As for Boller's magical transformation at game 32, that was the 48-3 blowout against the Packers (3TD's, 0 Ints). The following week against the Vikings he threw for 3 TD's and 1 Int. Yep, he's finally arrived! Arrived at Cleveland the following week to go 18-36 with 2 Ints and 0 TDs against the mighty Cleveland Browns. Yep, the kid is on his way! The media and apparently 31 out of 32 NFL coaches agree, Kyle Boller sucks. And remember, the one coach that does like him just forked over a draft pick and 12 million to replace him.

[Lamar Starworth]

My goodness.

I just saw the report on drudge, and...wow. They said a lot of his teeth are missing too. He is definately going to be set back. I just hope he pulls through in condition to be normal again. It's clear now that he'll be fine, but wow...

What people do with vehicles is crazy.

[jjwr]

Apparently Cowher talked to him about riding without a helmet so obviously its not in his contract if Cowher tried to talk him out of doing it.

Word is that in addition to the broken jaw, missing teeth there is also damage to his knees from when he landed on the concrete. No more word on that one though.

I listened to the NFL Network on the way home and while everyone hoped he would get better there was a lot of bitter fans. Basically how could he do something so stupid when the team, fans, nfl, etc has so much riding on him. If the Steelers lose him for any amount of time they go from a playoff contender to fodder.

[Ryan Pode]

Half of me says "YAY" Victory. The other half says "BOO" because now it will be against Charlie Batch.