OOC Role Playing Timeline (RPG History)

[General Ceel]

Yeah yeah, i know most of you don't like me and this will probably turn into a flame thread because of that, but i'm posting it anyway because I feel that the preservation of the history of our little corner of the internet is important and interesting.

Below is the latest revised edition of the Timeline. Construction, as you know, originally began at TGC in 2004. Back then the timeline was just a little blurb at the beginning of our hall of fame. Today its about a mile long and covers the path of electronic Star Wars fandom from the release of the original film until the present.

I hope you will all take the time to see what we have come up with. I hope you will enjoy it. If there is any additional information or corrections that you feel would help to improve the quality of the timeline I look forward to hearing it.

btw: I'd like to thank Atreyu for the wealth of information he recently contributed to this project.

You can find the rest of the Hall of Fame here: http://p089.ezboard.com/fthegungancouncilfrm138.showMessage?topicID=43.top ic

More information about role playing history can be found here in the TGC historical databank: http://p089.ezboard.com/fthegungancouncilfrm138.showMessage?topicID=69.top ic

(The idea of this is to inform, not to advertise, so please don't attack me.)
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STAR WARS FANDOM TIME LINE




1970 - 1989




May 25: 1977 A New Hope (Star Wars) Released


February 16, 1978: First Bulletin Board System (BBS) Comes Online
-Invented by Ward Christensen


1979 - Uesnet invented by Tom Truscott & Jim Ellis making Newsgroups possible
-Government, Labs and Colleges begin to connect


May 21: 1980 Empire Strikes Back Released


May 25, 1983: Return of the Jedi Released


1983: First Star Wars News Group net.movies.sw Created
-First Online Star Wars discussion takes place


1984: FidoNet Created by Tom Jennings
-An inter-connecting file & message transport system used by bulletin board systems
-Like Usenet, FidoNet is a precursor to the WWW


1987 - The Star Wars Roleplaying Game published by West End Games
-established groundwork of what later became the Star Wars Expanded Universe



1990 - 1995




February 25, 1991 - FidoNet Star Wars Echo BBS Founded
-Moderated by Eli "Skip" Shayotovichone
-It is one of earliest influential forms of Star Wars on-line fandom
-Kevin J. Anderson is one of its members


June 1, 1991 - Heir to the Empire by Timothy Zhan Released
-Lucasfilm sent Zahn box of West End Games Star Wars books
-Zahn directed to base his novel on game's background material
-Success of book shows popularity of Star Wars 8 years after Return of the Jedi


1991 - World Wide Web (WWW) makes public debut
-Birth of modern intenet, however few sites exist yet.
-Regular people can now legally get online


1992 - Only 50 Sites on the World Wide Web


1993: net.movies.sw becomes Rec.Arts.Sf.Starwars (RASS)


1993 - Lucasfilm announces Special Editions
(Source: RASSM)


1993 - World Wide Web Reaches 150 Sites


1994 - Star Wars Prequel Trilogy Announced
-Reported on front page of "Variety"


1994: Popularity Forces RASS to Split into 4 Groups
-RASS.Games, RASS.Info, RASS.Collecting and RASS.Misc


1994: Mike Farnham's Star Wars Inter-Fido BBS Opens
-Star Wars Echo BBS members migrate here and to RASS
-Kevin J. Anderson, Mike Stackpole among members of SW Echo


1995: World Wide Web Expands to 25,000 websites
-Begins erosion of newsgroup and BBS popularity
-Subsequently Usenet & Fidonet decline


1995 - Message Boards (Internet Forums) Invented
- Early Internet forums are like world wide web versions of newsgroups or BBS's



1996 - 1998




August 15 1996: RASS.Misc Newsgroup Creates Homepage on World Wide Web
-Slogan "Because we know you don't read Usenet"


1996 - World Wide Web Reaches 250,000 Sites


1996 - Starwars.com Comes Online
-Official site promotes Sepecial Edition Trilogy and Prequels.


1996 - Scott Chitwood & Darin Smith found Star Wars Page at Texas A&M.
-Page becomes theforce.net
-RASSM & Star Wars Inter-Fido alumni among members


1997 - World Wide Web Surpasses 1.2 Million Sites
-No longer just for government and colleges the net and computers become
a part of everyday life for most people during the next two years


1997- Countdown2titanic.com Comes Online
-Founded by Tim Doyle


1997 - Special Editions released
-Star Wars Popularity explodes again


Oct/Nov 1998 - Countdown2titanic.com Becomes Countingdown.com
-Lincoln Gasking helps Tim Doyle expand Titanic page into general movie site
-First Star Wars fans arrive at Episode I section (future role players)
(Source: Figrin D'an)


November 25 1998 - Ezboard Comes Online
-Vanchau Nguyen, Founder


Late 1998/Early 1999 - Jawafortress.com hosts message board dedicated to TPM boxoffice.
-Countingdown.com users are among first to join
-Debate about TPM's chances to top Titanic begins



1999 - 1999




Jan-Feb 1999 - Jason Freiert starts SW vs Titanic page.
-Jawafortress forums (hosted by EZBoard) become part of this new site.
-Activity on message board increases as TPM release date approaches.
(Source: Figrin D'an)


April 7 1999: Countingdown.com lines up outside Grauman's Chinese Theatre for TPM.
-Line lasts 42 days
-$30,000 raised for Starlight Children's Foundation
(Source: JonathanLB)


May 1999- Role Playing Begins
- SW vs, Titanic forums move to ezboard following constant troll attacks
- Role Playing Begins
- The first roleplay Council created, The Sith Council lead by Itala Marzullo (Board Owner: Darth Bane)
- The next day, Sir Dizzy calls the Jedi Council into being. 150(!) people join up


May 5 1999: Talk City Chosen as Official Chat Provider for Lucasfilm and the release of TPM.


May 19, 1999: The Phantom Menace Released


June 1999 SW vs Titanic becomes SWFans.Net
- A General Star Wars site,
- Brian Kunkle comes across SWFans.Net and begins lurking in the forums


June 1999: Itala Marzullo forms a second TSC at TalkCity.
-Intermingling of members between chats and swfans begins.
-Encouraged (mostly) by Itala, many members come to Swfans from TalkCity in the next year.
(Source: Itala Marzullo)


July 12th 1999 - The board splits into Coruscantcity.net and SWFans.Net
- all roleplaying groups move over to CC.Net.
- only a handful of roleplayers remain on SWFans.Net
(Source: Atreyu)


July 20 1999: Brian Kunkle begins posting as Darthbeerman, participating mainly in the Boxoffice Forum at Swfans.net.


Late July 1999 – Re-establishment of roleplaying groups on SWFans.Net begins.
- Jedi, under leadership of CMJ, refound Jedi Council. Early members include jjwr, Atreyu and obiwan2.
- Sith under Darth Sidious and Mara Jade1 (later Lady Mara Jade) found a new Sith Council (not Itala’s group)


August 1999 – Further reorganisation of Jedi and Sith groups on SWFans.Net
- Jedi Council renamed The Jedi Order
- Darth Fenris takes over leadership of new Sith Council and renames it The Sith Empire (TSE)


September 1999 – CC.Net Jedi, including Darth Turbogeek, Master Yogurt, JediBoricua and Figrin D’an, begin to lurk on SWFans.Net roleplaying forum, leading to increased interaction between Jedi from the 2 boards.


October 1999: Reunification of the Jedi Begins
- Attempts made to join both Jedi groups into one, but discussions fail to bring result about.
- ‘One universe, two boards’ concept proposed by jjwr is adopted. The Jedi Alliance is formed between the 2 Jedi groups


November 1st 1999: SWFans.Net and CC.Net Jedi officially reunite.
- New group renamed the Greater Jedi Order (GJO)


Nov 1st 1999: Brian Kunkle creates his General Ceel account.
- First board "Beggars Canyon" founded same day.
- First Gungan role plays take place (In Character birth of TGC)



2000 - 2001




Early 2000: TalkCity becomes Pay-to-Use. As a result TSC becomes an Ezboard-Only entity.
-Stranded members come to TSC and Swfans on Ezboard.
(Source: Itala Marzullo)


January 26 2000: The Gungan Council Ezboard founded.


Jan/Feb 2000: Darth Turbogeek invites TGC to join Swfans Role Playing Galaxy. TGC Accepts.


Early-Mid 2000: Many CC.Net Jedi leave roleplaying altogether, whilst newer members join through SWFans.Net
- Roleplaying activity steadily drifts away from CC.Net to SWFans.Net.
- TSC under Itala re-establishes presence on SWFans.Net, however TSE continues to function as the primary Sith group.


Mid 2000: TGC begins distancing itself from Swfans
-Formation of TGC Role Playing Galaxy.
(Source: General Ceel)


June 2000 - June 2001: The Golden Age of RPG.
-TGC reaches a plateau of both creativity and activity.


August 2000: Itala overthrown as leader of TSC, however he soon returns, resulting in the defection of many Sith who establish a new group christened The Sith Order.


January 1 2001: TGC Officially Separates from Swfans.net.


September 2001: Swfans leaves Ezboard for vBulletin.


November 2001: Organa Solo calls The Rebel Faction (TRF), a competitor Ezboard, into being.
-Aprox 80% of TGC's groups and members leave to join TRF.
-TGC soldiers on to become a success once again, but with a sense that "something is missing".



2002 - Forward




May 16, 2002: Attack of The Clones Released


May 2002: Primary SWFans.Net roleplaying groups become hosted by SWFans.Net on its vBulletin forums
- Exception being TSE, which remains the only major group not hosted on SWFans.Net.


June 2002: Following disagreements with the SWFans.Net administration plus members of other roleplaying groups, TSE breaks away from SWFans.Net to found a new roleplaying site.


February 2003: Roleplaying site founded by TSE officially renamed StarWarsRPG.Net


June 2004: TRF Leaves Ezboard to set up a vBulletin.
(Sources: Organa Solo & General Ceel)


Nov. 5th 2004: Revenge of the Sith Teaser Trailer released.
-Hundreds begin to flock to the board in anticipation.
-TGC Renaissance begins.


May 19th, 2005: Revenge of The Sith Released


May 30 2005: "Ezdude" hacks the Ezboard Network.
-TGC loses Aprox 200,000 posts, including the role playing archives.
-Many other Star Wars communities leave ezboard.
-A month later (June 30) the TGC Renaissance ends.

[Atreyu]

Just a quick note to the Jedi - I also added descriptions for the GJO and Jedi Enclave which Ceel has added on TGC (not listed in this thread however). Here they are:


Greater Jedi Order
Following the breakup of SWFans.Net in July 1999 into CoruscantCity.Net and SWFans.Net, the Jedi were split into 2 separate Jedi groups on each board. However it didn’t take long for the Jedi to begin working with each other again and after initially allying together in the form of the Jedi Alliance in October 1999, the 2 groups would merge to found the Greater Jedi Order on November 1st 1999. The new group would end up becoming one of the oldest, largest and most respected groups in the SWFans.Net roleplaying universe, at one point boasting over half of the active roleplayers on SWFans.Net as members. Despite a couple of attempts to set up alternative Jedi groups the GJO overwhelmingly dominated as the primary Jedi group on SWFans.Net for over 5 years until May 2005 when a restart of the roleplaying timeline saw it disbanded and reformed into The Jedi Enclave (see The Jedi Enclave).

The Jedi Enclave
Following the restart of the SWFans.Net roleplaying timeline in May 2005 which saw the timeline reset to the period immediately following the Battle of Endor, the long established Jedi group, the Greater Jedi Order, was deemed no longer appropriate considering that no Jedi group of such scale could have possibly existed at that time. As a result, the GJO was disbanded and in its place The Jedi Enclave was established. Unlike its predecessor, the group is not an officially recognised sole organisation, but more of a gathering point for the surviving Jedi spread throughout the galaxy to unite together and defeat the remains of the Galactic Empire and assist with the establishment of the New Republic.
Hope I got it all right. :)

[General Ceel]

I added those descriptions, as is, to the role playing group/faction section of the Hall of Fame this morning.

[Atreyu]

Yep I saw that, but I wanted the Jedi to be aware in case I screwed something up (especially with the Jedi Enclave, which I added completely based off a couple of threads I've read here and there posted by Jedi since I've had no inolvement with the group). :)

BTW Ceel I had a very minor correction which I posted on TGC just now (very very minor, but just so you know). :)

[General Ceel]

Alright, thanks. I'm looking into it over at TGC on the main copy of the timeline.

EDIT: Alright, i edited the copy on TGC. I think i've got what you intended to say this time.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

The Jedi Enclave description looks good to me. :thumbup

[Blade Bacquin]

February 2003: Roleplaying site founded by TSE officially renamed StarWarsRPG.Net

I don't know if you want to put this in there or not but TSE first became swroleplaying.net (or starwarsroleplay.net can't remember which right off hand) about two months after it seperated from fans. But following a diasgreement between admins in decemember 2002 and january 2003 TSE split from swroleplaying.net and became Starwarsrpg.net. Just thought you would like to know since they did really vanish for about 6 or seven months like you make it seem.

Also as a note.

Between 2003-2005 there has been a nice flux (if thats the right word) of swfans members and swrpg members put there past disagreements aside and rping at both boards. :)

[General Ceel]

swroleplaying.net or starwarsroleplay.net

Can anyone here confirm which one it was?

[Morgan Evanar]

I don't think any of us know because the domains have since expired.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I believe it was starwarsroleplay.net

[Dasquian Belargic]

Originally posted by General Ceel
Can anyone here confirm which one it was?

I'm pretty sure it was swroleplaying.net

[General Ceel]

Hmm, looks like we have conficting memories so far.

[Morgan Evanar]

Archive.org isn't much help either :|

[General Ceel]

Yeah, thats the first place I tried checking in order to sort it out.

[General Ceel]

What can anyone tell me about the Replica Props Forums. When I arrived at Swfans they were located on the Swfans ezboard, and I know that they moved to their own board ( http://www.rpf.invisionzone.com/index.php?act=idx )around the time that role playing moved here to vB.

I had heard that prior to being located on the Swfans ezboard they had had their own site/message board. Does anybody here know anything about that?

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Dasq might be right on the domain, I never posted there, I just remember that you had to type it out completely - not like here where star wars is shortened to sw.

[General Ceel]

(LATEST VERSION: Includes several small changes and additions)



1970 - 1989




May 25: 1977 A New Hope (Star Wars) Released


February 16, 1978: First Bulletin Board System (BBS) Comes Online
- Invented by Ward Christensen


1979 - Uesnet invented by Tom Truscott & Jim Ellis making Newsgroups possible
- Government, Labs and Colleges begin to connect


May 21: 1980 Empire Strikes Back Released


May 25, 1983: Return of the Jedi Released


1983: First Star Wars News Group net.movies.sw Created
- First Online Star Wars discussion takes place


1984: FidoNet Created by Tom Jennings
- An inter-connecting file & message transport system used by bulletin board systems
- Like Usenet, FidoNet is a precursor to the WWW


1987 - The Star Wars Roleplaying Game published by West End Games
- established groundwork of what later became the Star Wars Expanded Universe



1990 - 1995




February 25, 1991 - FidoNet Star Wars Echo BBS Founded
- Moderated by Eli "Skip" Shayotovichone
- It is one of earliest influential forms of Star Wars on-line fandom
- Kevin J. Anderson is one of its members


June 1, 1991 - Heir to the Empire by Timothy Zhan Released
- Lucasfilm sent Zahn box of West End Games Star Wars books
- Zahn directed to base his novel on game's background material
- Success of book shows popularity of Star Wars 8 years after Return of the Jedi


1991 - World Wide Web (WWW) makes public debut
- Birth of modern intenet, however few sites exist yet.
- Regular people can now legally get online


1992 - Only 50 Sites on the World Wide Web


1993: net.movies.sw becomes Rec.Arts.Sf.Starwars (RASS)


1993 - Lucasfilm announces Special Editions
(Source: RASSM)


1993 - World Wide Web Reaches 150 Sites


1994 - Star Wars Prequel Trilogy Announced
- Reported on front page of "Variety"


April 26, 1994: Jason Ruspini Creates Star Wars Home Page at UPENN
- One of most talked about SW sites at this time


1994: Popularity Forces RASS to Split into 4 Groups
- RASS.Games, RASS.Info, RASS.Collecting and RASS.Misc
- Future TFN co-founder Scott Chitwood is among members of RASS.Misc (RASSM)


1994: Mike Farnham's Star Wars Inter-Fido BBS Opens
- Star Wars Echo BBS members migrate here and to RASS
- Kevin J. Anderson, Mike Stackpole among members of SW Echo


October 1995: John Benson begins to visit Star Wars Home Page at UPENN


1995: World Wide Web Expands to 25,000 websites
- Begins erosion of newsgroup and BBS popularity
- Subsequently Usenet & Fidonet decline


1995 - Message Boards (Internet Forums) Invented
- Early Internet forums are like world wide web versions of newsgroups or BBS's



1996 - 1998



March 20, 1996, JediNet.com Fan Site Comes Online
- Founded by John Benson & Carl Cunningham
- Lack of updates on UPENN page inspired Benson to set up own site
- Only 100 hits in 30 days


August 15 1996: RASS.Misc Newsgroup Creates Homepage on World Wide Web
- Slogan "Because we know you don't read Usenet"


1996 - World Wide Web Reaches 250,000 Sites


1996 - Starwars.com Comes Online
- Official site promotes Sepecial Edition Trilogy and Prequels.


1996 - Scott Chitwood & Darin Smith found Star Wars Page at Texas A&M.
- Page becomes theforce.net
- TF.N & its forums become major hub for online Star Wars fans
- Alumni of many earlier newsgroups, websites, BBS's find their way to TF.N


January 1997 - Prequel Watch Fan Site Comes Online
- Originally founded by Donald Vaughn (1996?)
- Became Prequel secton of JediNet under Carl Cunningham in Jan 97.


1997 - World Wide Web Surpasses 1.2 Million Sites
- Internet becomes part of everyday life for most people during the next two years


1997- Countdown2titanic.com Comes Online
- Founded by Tim Doyle


1997 - Special Editions released
- Star Wars Popularity explodes again


Oct/Nov 1998 - Countdown2titanic.com Becomes Countingdown.com
- Lincoln Gasking helps Tim Doyle expand Titanic page into general movie site
- First Star Wars fans arrive at Episode I section (future role players)
(Source: Figrin D'an)


November 25 1998 - Ezboard Comes Online
- Vanchau Nguyen, Founder


Late 1998/Early 1999 - Jawafortress.com hosts message board dedicated to TPM boxoffice.
- Countingdown.com users are among first to join
- Debate about TPM's chances to top Titanic begins



1999 - 1999




Jan-Feb 1999 - Jason Freiert starts SW vs Titanic page.
- Jawafortress forums become part of this new site.
- Activity on message board increases as TPM release date approaches.
(Source: Figrin D'an)


April 7 1999: Countingdown.com lines up outside Grauman's Chinese Theatre for TPM.
- Line lasts 42 days
- $30,000 raised for Starlight Children's Foundation
(Source: JonathanLB)


May 1999- Role Playing Begins
- SW vs, Titanic forums move to ezboard following constant troll attacks.
- Role Playing Begins
- The first roleplay Council created, The Sith Council lead by Itala Marzullo (Board Owner: Darth Bane)
- The next day, Sir Dizzy calls the Jedi Council into being. 150(!) people join up


May 5 1999: Talk City Chosen as Official Chat Provider for Lucasfilm and the release of TPM.


May 19, 1999: The Phantom Menace Released


June 1999 SW vs Titanic becomes SWFans.Net
- A General Star Wars site,
- Brian Kunkle comes across SWFans.Net and begins lurking in the forums


June 1999: Itala Marzullo forms a second TSC at TalkCity.
- Intermingling of members between chats and swfans begins.
- Encouraged (mostly) by Itala, many members come to Swfans from TalkCity in the next year.
(Source: Itala Marzullo)


July 12th 1999 - The board splits into Coruscantcity.net and SWFans.Net
- all roleplaying groups move over to CC.Net.
- only a handful of roleplayers remain on SWFans.Net
(Source: Atreyu)


July 20 1999: Brian Kunkle begins posting as Darthbeerman
- participates mainly in Boxoffice Forum at Swfans.net.


Late July 1999 – Re-establishment of roleplaying groups on SWFans.Net begins.
- Jedi, under leadership of CMJ, refound Jedi Council. Early members include jjwr, Atreyu and obiwan2.
- Sith under Darth Sidious and Mara Jade1 (later Lady Mara Jade) found a new Sith Council (not Itala’s group)


August 1999 – Further reorganisation of Jedi and Sith groups on SWFans.Net
- Jedi Council renamed The Jedi Order
- Darth Fenris takes over leadership of new Sith Council and renames it The Sith Empire (TSE)


September 1999 – CC.Net Jedi begin to lurk at SWFans.Net forums
- including Darth Turbogeek, Master Yogurt, JediBoricua and Figrin D’an
- Result isincreased interaction between Jedi from the 2 boards.


October 1999: Reunification of the Jedi Begins
- Attempts made to join both Jedi groups into one, but discussions fail to bring result about.
- ‘One universe, two boards’ concept proposed by jjwr is adopted.
- The Jedi Alliance is forms between the 2 Jedi groups


November 1st 1999: SWFans.Net and CC.Net Jedi officially reunite.
- New group renamed the Greater Jedi Order (GJO)


Nov 1st 1999: Brian Kunkle creates his General Ceel account on Ezboard
- First board "Beggars Canyon" founded same day.
- First Gungan role plays take place (In Character birth of TGC)



2000 - 2001




Early 2000: TalkCity becomes Pay-to-Use. As a result TSC becomes an Ezboard-Only entity.
-Stranded members come to TSC and Swfans on Ezboard.
(Source: Itala Marzullo)


January 26 2000: The Gungan Council Ezboard founded.


Jan/Feb 2000: Darth Turbogeek invites TGC to join Swfans Role Playing Galaxy.
- TGC Accepts.


Early-Mid 2000: Many CC.Net Jedi leave roleplaying while newer members join through SWFans.Net
- RP activity steadily drifts away from CC.Net to SWFans.Net.
- TSC under Itala re-establishes presence on SWFans.Net.
- TSE continues to function as primary Sith group.


Mid 2000: TGC begins distancing itself from Swfans
- Formation of TGC Role Playing Galaxy.
(Source: General Ceel)


June 2000 - June 2001: The Golden Age of TGC.
- TGC reaches a plateau of both creativity and activity.


August 2000: Itala overthrown as leader of TSC.
- He soon returns, resulting in the defection of many Sith
- Defectors establish new group: The Sith Order.


January 1 2001: TGC Officially Separates from Swfans.net.


September 2001: Swfans leaves Ezboard for vBulletin.


November 2001: Organa Solo calls The Rebel Faction (TRF), a competitor Ezboard, into being.
- Aprox 80% of TGC's groups and members leave to join TRF.
- TGC soldiers on to become a success once again.



2002 - Forward




May 16, 2002: Attack of The Clones Released


May 2002: Primary SWFans.Net RPG groups become hosted by SWFans.Net vBulletin forums.
- Exception being TSE, which remains the only major group not hosted on SWFans.Net.


June 2002: Following disagreements with the SWFans.Net administration plus members of other roleplaying groups, TSE breaks away from SWFans.Net to found a new roleplaying site.


February 2003: Roleplaying site founded by TSE officially renamed StarWarsRPG.Net


June 2004: TRF Leaves Ezboard to set up a vBulletin.
(Sources: Organa Solo & General Ceel)


Nov. 5th 2004: Revenge of the Sith Teaser Trailer released.
- Hundreds begin to flock to the board in anticipation.
- TGC Renaissance begins.
- TGC Becomes bigger than it was in its Golden Age


May 19th, 2005: Revenge of The Sith Released


May 30 2005: "Ezdude" hacks the Ezboard Network.
- TGC loses Aprox 200,000 posts, including the role playing archives.
- Many other Star Wars communities leave ezboard.
- A month later (June 30) the TGC Renaissance ends.

[Atreyu]

Originally posted by General Ceel
Can anyone here confirm which one it was?
It was swroleplaying.net

I had planned to include it in my submission, but because I knew so little about the whole thing I ended up getting rid of it and simply included the reference to TSE leaving, as well as starwarsrpg.net being established the following Feb (which i got from the site itself). :)

[Atreyu]

(sorry, missed this one)


Originally posted by General Ceel
What can anyone tell me about the Replica Props Forums. When I arrived at Swfans they were located on the Swfans ezboard, and I know that they moved to their own board ( http://www.rpf.invisionzone.com/index.php?act=idx )around the time that role playing moved here to vB.

I had heard that prior to being located on the Swfans ezboard they had had their own site/message board. Does anybody here know anything about that?
They did have another home which may have been the old AOL forums (not sure about who ran them) however if memory serves me correctly they left there because they were forbidden to swap/trade/sell items. Or it might have been the dealing of unlicensed props. Heck I don't know. :x

Anyways one member, Brandon (aka. BAlinger15) was helping establish a Replica Props section of the SW vs Titanic website (later SWFans) and he got JasonF to setup a Replica Props forum on his board, which lead to most of the proppers moving to SWFans.

(of course the Replica Props community has had its own turbulent history, forum breakups, civil wars etc etc etc which makes the roleplaying history look like a storm in a teacup)

[General Ceel]

Alright. Here is the unedited/unrevised version from my timeline.


[b]May 2002: Primary SWFans.Net RPG groups become hosted by SWFans.Net vBulletin forums.
- Exception being TSE, which remains the only major group not hosted on SWFans.Net.


June 2002: Following disagreements with the SWFans.Net administration plus members of other roleplaying groups, TSE breaks away from SWFans.Net to found a new roleplaying site.


February 2003: Roleplaying site founded by TSE officially renamed StarWarsRPG.Net[b/]



Now let me see if i have this right. TSE becomes/joins swroleplaying.net about two months (August 2002) after leaving Swfans. Then, December 02 / January 03 there is a diasgreement between Admins (it would be nice to have names and a few specifics). At that point TSE sets up the current StarWarsRPG.Net location.

[Darth Lucid]

Now let me see if i have this right. TSE becomes/joins swroleplaying.net about two months (August 2002) after leaving Swfans. Then, December 02 / January 03 there is a diasgreement between Admins (it would be nice to have names and a few specifics). At that point TSE sets up the current StarWarsRPG.Net location.

I will not give you names you don't need them and it's best to leave names out if possible cause i don't want to make anyone out to be a bad guy.

As for the disagreemnt remember this what I tell you isn't the whole truth or by any means the exact truth. Due to the fact i wasn't exactly well liked over there at the time and I was missing for most of the month the seperation occuried. yet i did hear bits and pieces of how it played out.

Okay Swroleplaying.net was created so TSE didn't have to deal with ezboard anymore. The person who built and paid for swroleplaying was not a staff member of TSE, he was just a common rper that everyone knew. Anyway as for the disagreement and what it had to deal basically from what i understand the owner of the board wanted to run the board in a completely different direction then TSE staff did. The owner tried to sneak around the staff to make the board the way he wanted. TSE staff found out and pulled out and created swrpg. (which IMO was for the best.)

[General Ceel]

*Notes the total lack of specifics in the above reply* lol

[Cirrsseeto Quez]

That's about how any bit of TSE history goes. It's always a bit of "I don't wanna name names, but Mr X did suchandsuch to Mrs Y and it was all seen by You Know Who You Are."

It makes me think that it's all being posted by the cigarette-smoking man from X Files or something.

[General Ceel]

I'm just interested in getting the facts down as they happened, so hopefully the deep throat will contact me and hand over a little yellow envelope containing serect files about TSE. hehe!

[Morgan Evanar]

I'm sure there are many people that wouldn't apreciate having that old drama dreged.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

If you check TSE's new RPing site, which I think you have, they should have some version of their history posted somewhere. I think that when I last brought it up they decided they weren't going to help me, but were going to do their own history for themselves (which I was planning to copy with their permission, but forgot to check back after a few months). Dara Shadowtide or Jedah Lynch would be the two to talk to about TSE's history after it left sw-fans, just as you are the one to talk to about TGC's history after it left sw-fans. :)

edit: TSE also had further disagreements between it's members, leading to the formation of swurp.net. Recently, about this time last year? there was a split of RPers from sw-fans.net (some of which still RP at sw-fans as well) that went to ezboard and formed the <a href=http://p210.ezboard.com/baramir>AraMir</a> ezboard.

[General Ceel]

I'm sure there are many people that wouldn't apreciate having that old drama dreged.

The problem with that is in 5 years when somebody is trying to put together the next factual timeline, again, the person ends up with more versions on the story than he cares to count, along with missing information.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Such a discussion is better left to PM, however.

[Loklorien s'Ilancy]

Think Hatfields and McCoys. Only not quite as cool.

[Morgan Evanar]

Originally posted by Lilaena De'Ville
Such a discussion is better left to PM, however. Aye, if you want to update that sort of detail at TGC that's up to you, but I'd rather not have it on this board. :)

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Not to mention you'll probably get as many versions now of the 'story' as there are people who remember it, let alone another 5 years in the future. :p

[General Ceel]

Aye, if you want to update that sort of detail at TGC that's up to you, but I'd rather not have it on this board.

Fear of the truth. Somebody once told me that fear is the path to the darkside. :crack

[Morgan Evanar]

Uh, I pretty much know what happened becuase I was there for it, but I'd rather someone else's drama wasn't imported onto this board. Ok?

[Dasquian Belargic]

Originally posted by General Ceel
The problem with that is in 5 years when somebody is trying to put together the next factual timeline, again, the person ends up with more versions on the story than he cares to count, along with missing information.

The specific reasons for what happened aren't really important. Just chalk it up to OOC disagreements.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

As I said before - stick that paticular line of questioning to email, PM or AIM, Ceel. And that's all there is to it. :) If anyone (yes, anyone) brings it up again, or mentions names in this thread, it will be closed.

[General Ceel]

Well aren't you just a pretty little Tyrant. When did this become the Star Wars fans old folks home?

[Loklorien s'Ilancy]

This has nothing to do with any sort of 'fear' or 'tyranny'. It has to do with being courteous and respectful to the possibility that some people would rather not bring up old drama and headaches. StarWarsRPG and Fans are on amicable terms at this moment, and I think many would like to keep it that way.

I'm closing this thread temporarily. If Holly so wishes it, she can reopen it. But until then I'm tired of this flame-baiting.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

This thread will remain closed. It is perfectly fine to start a new history thread, but as s'Il says we are amicable with StarWarsRPG and wish to remain so. Bringing up names and old drama on the board is not something the staff will tolerate, as it will only spawn new drama.