NFL Week 10

[jjwr]

Sorry to jump the gun Figrin but I'm leaving for the weekend and if I don't post my picks now I'll miss out on the weekend, feel free to merge or delete this once the real thread has been posted.

I know the format isn't right but I'll fix it on Sunday after I get back so you can score it properly.

The following teams *WILL* win

Kansans City
Chicago
Jacksonville
Arizona
Indy
New England
New York Giants
Carolina
Denver
Seattle
Atlanta
Washington
Pittsburgh
Dallas

[Jedieb]

Leave it to jjwr to not post the match ups for everybody. Slacker. ;)

Sunday Early
New England at Miami
Minnesota at NY Giants
Baltimore at Jacksonville
Houston at Indianapolis
Arizona at Detroit
San Francisco at Chicago
Kansas City at Buffalo

Sunday, Late
Denver at Oakland
NY Jets at Carolina
Washington at Tampa Bay
St. Louis at Seattle
Green Bay at Atlanta

Sunday Night
Cleveland at Pittsburgh

Monday Night
Dallas at Philadelphia

As always, please try and post your picks in this order. It makes it easier for Fig to tabulate the results. Not that it makes much difference, we all know I'm DA MAN and you're all my biaaaatches!!!!!!

[jjwr]

Sorry, just figured this thread would get deleted when Figrin made the real thread, just wanted my picks on the public record :)

[Jedieb]

Week 10 Week: Season (+)
Sunday Early
WIN New England at Miami
Minnesota at NY Giants WIN
Baltimore at Jacksonville WIN
Houston at Indianapolis WIN
Arizona at Detroit WIN
San Francisco at Chicago WIN
WINKansas City at Buffalo

Sunday Late
WINDenver at Oakland
NY Jets at Carolina WIN
Washington at Tampa Bay WIN
St. Louis at Seattle WIN
Green Bay at Atlanta WIN

Sunday Night
Cleveland at Pittsburgh WIN

Monday Night
WIN Dallas at Philadelphia

Gonna wait a bit on the Bucs and Cowboys. Don't know if I want to go with my heart or my head.

EDIT: To hell with it, I'm going with the my teams. If it cost me a game or two then so be it. I want to ENJOY these today. I'm not dealing with any mixed emotions.

[Figrin D'an]

Sometimes I wonder if my memory is not as strong as it used to be... :x

Just use this thread for this week. No sense in starting another one now.


Use Jedieb's first post as the template, and as usual, picks must be in by 1PM ET on Sunday.

I think I need to go back to posting results right after Monday Night Football and getting the new week up on Tuesday...

[sirdizzy]

New England
NY Giants
Jacksonville
Indianapolis
Detroit
Chicago
Kansas City
Denver
Carolina
Washington
Seattle
Atlanta
Pittsburgh
Dallas

[Lance Casey]

Sunday Early
New England(w) at Miami
Minnesota at NY Giants(w)
Baltimore at Jacksonville(w)
Houston at Indianapolis(w)
Arizona at Detroit(w)
San Francisco at Chicago(w)
Kansas City(w) at Buffalo

Sunday, Late
Denver(w) at Oakland
NY Jets at Carolina(w)
Washington(w) at Tampa Bay
St. Louis at Seattle(w)
Green Bay at Atlanta(w)

Sunday Night
Cleveland at Pittsburgh(w)

Monday Night
Dallas(w) at Philadelphia

[JMK]

Sunday Early
New England (w) at Miami
Minnesota at NY Giants (w)
Baltimore at Jacksonville (w)
Houston at Indianapolis (w)
Arizona at Detroit (w)
San Francisco at Chicago (w)
Kansas City at Buffalo (w)

Sunday, Late
Denver at Oakland (w)
NY Jets at Carolina (w)
Washington (w) at Tampa Bay
St. Louis at Seattle (w)
Green Bay at Atlanta (w)

Sunday Night
Cleveland at Pittsburgh (w)

Monday Night
Dallas at Philadelphia (w)

I had taken all the home teams in my initial run through of the games, but to think that not one road team will win is silly. So I took 2.

[Rutabaga]

Sunday Early

New England (W) at Miami
Minnesota at NY Giants (W)
Baltimore at Jacksonville (W)
Houston at Indianapolis (W)
Arizona at Detroit (W)
San Francisco (W) at Chicago
Kansas City at Buffalo (W)

Sunday, Late

Denver (W) at Oakland
NY Jets at Carolina (W)
Washington (W) at Tampa Bay
St. Louis at Seattle (W)
Green Bay at Atlanta (W)

Sunday Night

Cleveland at Pittsburgh (W)

Monday Night

Dallas at Philadelphia (W)


Somehow I don't think I'll be 12-2 this week like I was last week, but sometimes you just gotta do stoopid things :D ;):cool

[Jedi Master Carr]

W New England at Miami
Minnesota at NY Giants W
Baltimore at Jacksonville W
Houston at Indianapolis W
Arizona at Detroit W
San Francisco at Chicago W
W Kansas City at Buffalo

Sunday, Late
Denver at Oakland W
NY Jets at Carolina W
W Washington at Tampa Bay
St. Louis at Seattle W
Green Bay at Atlanta W

Sunday Night
Cleveland at Pittsburgh W

Monday Night
Dallas at Philadelphia W

[Ryan Pode]

Sunday Early
New England Win at Miami
Minnesota at NY Giants Win
Baltimore Win at Jacksonville
Houston at Indianapolis Win
Arizona at Detroit Win
San Francisco at Chicago Win
Kansas City Win at Buffalo

Sunday, Late
Denver at Oakland Win
NY Jets at Carolina Win
Washington Win at Tampa Bay
St. Louis at Seattle Win
Green Bay at Atlanta Win

Sunday Night
Cleveland at Pittsburgh Win

Monday Night
Dallas at Philadelphia Win

[Lilaena De'Ville]

New England WINat Miami
Minnesota at NY Giants WIN
Baltimore at Jacksonville WIN
Houston at Indianapolis WIN
Arizona at Detroit WIN
San Francisco at Chicago WIN
Kansas CityWIN at Buffalo


Denver WINat Oakland
NY Jets at Carolina WIN
Washington at Tampa BayWIN
St. Louis at Seattle WIN
Green Bay at Atlanta WIN


Cleveland at Pittsburgh WIN


Dallas WINat Philadelphia

[Nathanial K'cansce]

New England (W) at Miami
Minnesota at NY Giants (W)
Baltimore at Jacksonville (W)
Houston at Indianapolis (W)
Arizona (W) at Detroit
San Francisco at Chicago (W)
Kansas City (W) at Buffalo


Denver (W) at Oakland
NY Jets at Carolina (W)
Washington (W) at Tampa Bay
St. Louis at Seattle (W)
Green Bay at Atlanta (W)


Cleveland at Pittsburgh (W)


Dallas(W)at Philadelphia

[Figrin D'an]

Sunday Early

New England (W) at Miami
Minnesota at NY Giants (W)
Baltimore at Jacksonville (W)
Houston at Indianapolis (W)
Arizona at Detroit (W)
San Francisco at Chicago (W)
Kansas City at Buffalo

Sunday, Late

Denver (W) at Oakland
NY Jets at Carolina (W)
Washington W) at Tampa Bay
St. Louis at Seattle (W)
Green Bay at Atlanta (W)

Sunday Night

Cleveland at Pittsburgh (W)

Monday Night

Dallas (W) at Philadelphia

[Blade Bacquin]

Sunday Early
New England at Miami(w)
Minnesota at NY Giants (w)
Baltimore at Jacksonville (w)
Houston at Indianapolis (w)
Arizona at Detroit (w)
San Francisco at Chicago (w)
Kansas City(w) at Buffalo

Sunday Late
Denver(w) at Oakland
NY Jets(w) at Carolina
Washington at Tampa Bay(w)
St. Louis at Seattle (w)
Green Bay at Atlanta (w)

Sunday Night
Cleveland at Pittsburgh (w)

Monday Night
Dallas at Philadelphia (w)

[Yog]

Sunday Early
New England (W) at Miami
Minnesota at NY Giants (W)
Baltimore at Jacksonville (W)
Houston at Indianapolis (W)
Arizona at Detroit (W)
San Francisco at Chicago (W)
Kansas City (W) at Buffalo

Sunday, Late
Denver (W) at Oakland
NY Jets at Carolina (W)
Washington (W) at Tampa Bay
St. Louis at Seattle (W)
Green Bay at Atlanta (W)

Sunday Night
Cleveland at Pittsburgh (W)

Monday Night
Dallas at Philadelphia (W)

[Rutabaga]

Oh, gimme a break already...look who's weighed in on the whole Terrell Owens situation. :rolleyes

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/football/nfl/11/13/owens.jackson.ap/index.html?cnn=yes

[Jedieb]

So everybody want to rumble on my Tampa Bay pick, huh? Bring it on!!!

I didn't read Jinn's link, but I assume it a Jessie Jackson article. I like Jesse, but if you don't take a snap, shut your trap!

[Yog]

While I may be an Eagles fan, I can laugh at this stuff.. :lol
http://www.bangcartoon.com/childsplay.htm

[Jedieb]

Originally posted by Master Yoghurt
While I may be an Eagles fan, I can laugh at this stuff.. :lol
http://www.bangcartoon.com/childsplay.htm

"A running game?"

That was HYSTERICAL!

[Yog]

Originally posted by Jedieb
"A running game?"

That was HYSTERICAL!

Glad you enjoyed it! :)

On the note of todays games. Colts is having a terrific game. Patriots is struggling. Detroit had a good start.

[Rutabaga]

Originally posted by Master Yoghurt
While I may be an Eagles fan, I can laugh at this stuff.. :lol
http://www.bangcartoon.com/childsplay.htm

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!! :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Priceless!!!

And yup, in the link I posted, it's good ol' Jesse Jackson who's whining about the suspension being "much too severe" and all that crap. Gimme a break :rolleyes.

We've got the Bears-Niners game on here, and it's actually been an extremely entertaining game to watch because of the wind :D. Although I've gotta tell ya, in all the years I've been watching football, I don't think I've ever seen a missed field goal get run back for a TD :eek.

[sirdizzy]

the running game part cracked me up, best part of the whole thing

[Yog]

Vikings looks to pull major upset vs Giants. Also looks like Buffalo wins vs Chiefs. Miami is giving Patriots a run for their money.

Edit: ^^ and no sooner had I said that, Patriots turn the game around in the last minute. Bah, typical.

[JMK]

Boy do the Dolphins give me fits. They sqandered SO MANY opportunities to bury the Pats in the first half and only came away with 7 points. Disgusting.

Then they show character in coming back and taking a lead late in the 4th. I thought the stage was set for a Brady drive capped with a Vinatieri FG, but instead the Dolphins top that by giving up 76 yards in 2 plays and surrender the 2 point convert. Horrible.

At least I took the Pats.

And thanks Eli & Co. for spoiling what could have been a perfect start to the day.

[Ryan Pode]

The Ravens decided that want Matt Jones to be offensive rookie of the year. :\ 7 more games.

With the first pick of the 2006 draft, the Houston Texans take Pete Carroll.

[Jedieb]

19/33 142 1TD 3 INT's
Of course the 1 TD was a 26 yard INT returned for a TD. Yes ladies and gentlemen, the QB stylings of Kyle Boller are back and better than ever!!!

The Bucs are up 7-3 and driving. I'm worried at how easily the Redskins are moving the ball up and down the field. Luckily, the Bucs keep coming up with a big play on defense to kill drives. They've got 2 turnovers right now but Monte better get things straightened out or the Redskins are going to start getting some serious points on the board. I'm really loving watching Alstott get some touches again. Damn, Galloway just dropped a first down that would have put them in FG range. Time to punt. :(

[Jedieb]

Originally posted by JMK
Boy do the Dolphins give me fits. They sqandered SO MANY opportunities to bury the Pats in the first half and only came away with 7 points. Disgusting.

Then they show character in coming back and taking a lead late in the 4th. I thought the stage was set for a Brady drive capped with a Vinatieri FG, but instead the Dolphins top that by giving up 76 yards in 2 plays and surrender the 2 point convert. Horrible.

At least I took the Pats.

And thanks Eli & Co. for spoiling what could have been a perfect start to the day.


The Dolphins had that game in their hands. There were in the redzone for most of the 2nd quarter and again at the end of the game and came up with dirt. The Buffalo win wasn't an upset, but I thought that the Chiefs would have some serious momentum off of last week's gutsy call by Vermeil. They only managed a Ravenesque FG. They needed that win to keep pace with the Broncos.

And the Bucs force their 3rd turnover and have first and goal!!!! :crack

[Ryan Pode]

No need to kick me while I'm down, for the football Gods shall frown upon this. :(

[Jedieb]

Originally posted by Ryan Pode
No need to kick me while I'm down, for the football Gods shall frown upon this. :(

Sorry, I just can't help it. If the Bucs lose today you can have your way with me. ;)

[Yog]

Just admit it allready. The Bucs are going to lose horribly in the end, and I will gain a game on you there. Impending doom is near.. :p

[Jedieb]

And the Bucs respond to that kickoff return for a TD by marching down the field and scoring a TD. 21-10 Bucs. EAT THAT DEVIL!!!! :crack

[Yog]

Enjoy while it lasts.. the higher the crawl, the greater the fall ;)

[Ryan Pode]

Skins will score here. And it'll be 21-17. Then they'll start passing to Santana Moss.

[Ryan Pode]

Why is Ty Law not on Steve Smith? Carolina will win that way.

[Jedieb]

Crap, crap, crap. A fumble inside the red zone and the inevitable TD and 2pt conversion. Tie game. Brand new game in the 3rd quarter. C'mon Gruden, start hammering the ball with Pittman and Alstott!!!

[Yog]

I see Redskins are doing well! :evil

:: continues voodoo rituals ::

[Jedieb]

They've bent over and taken it hard this thrid quarter. Ughh. Why did they tease me with 2 Alstott TD's in the first half? :cry

[Jedieb]

FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
28-28
:duel

[Yog]

I have no idea who this Ladell Betts guy is, but man did the TB take a beating for a while there. Redskins seems to do really well both running and passing the ball. Bucs have another shot at the redzone right now, but question is if they wont have to play catchup for the rest of the game.


If the Bucs lose today you can have your way with me

Noted.. :evil

[Jedieb]

That was Ryan, not you Satan! :shootin

[Yog]

Originally posted by Jedieb
FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
28-28
:duel

The Bucs will be lucky to get a narrow defeat :p

[Yog]

Clinton Portis made a TD, and its now 35-28! What a game!

[Jedieb]

If I hear Aikman babble again about how "both" defenses have stepped it up a notch I'm going to punch him in the side of the head. The Redskins have moved the ball up and down the field ALL day. The difference in this second half has been that the Bucs haven't gotten the turnovers they did in the first half. They're down 7 again and this drive could be the game. Simms just hit Galloway again on a long pass. I have to say, this is the best I've seen Simms play. If they lose today it won't be his fault. The defense let them down, big time. Another long pass to Galloway!!! Man, if that pass had been a bit shorter the game would be tied!!!!

[Jedieb]

1st and goal baby....

[Yog]

Damn, this game is a thriller! The Bucs are not going to be able to keep up this race forever though..

[Jedieb]

STUPID, STUPID, STUPID. Gruden shouldn't be that pissed at Simms. First of all, Pittman could have made a play on that 3rd down pass if his head wasn't up his butt. And why the hell do you not kick the FG?! You need a stop after this ANYWAY! Gruden should be pissed at himself. I know the defense hasn't stopped them all day and they only have 1 TO, but that doesn't change the fact that they were going to have to stop them on defense anyway. Stupid call Gruden, someone should curse YOU out.

[Jedieb]

IT'S A FESTIVUS MIRACLE!!!! They stopped them on 3rd down!!!!!

[Jedieb]

There was the stat of the day. That was Washington's first punt since their opening drive. 1:52, no timeouts, good field position, and you need a TD to tie. Step it up Simms! Another pass to Galloway! First down!

[Jedieb]

They're reviewing the completion. Hey, how about you guys get a play called during this and get ready at the line? Just a thought.:\

[Yog]

Man, this game is crazy. Some of the other games have been crazy too. Look at how Packers are winning. There is some entertaining football today.

[Yog]

2nd-10, Washington 30
C. Simms incomplete pass to the right

Stop those Bucs!

Edit: Noooooo! TD to the Bucs.

[Jedieb]

:crack
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:crack

[Jedieb]

Don't get excited, Washington was clearly offsides Yog. ;)

[Jedieb]

GO FOR IT ALSTOTT!!!!!!
:crack

[Jedieb]

EAT THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!
:crack

[Yog]

What the heck is going on? Was that in or not?

[Jedieb]

There are 58 seconds left on the clock. That's more than enough time for the Redskins to get into FG range, especially with 2 timeouts. Even if they lose, gotta be proud of Simms and the Bucs. They fought and made some gutsy plays. Except for the defense, they should be embarrased.

[Ryan Pode]

58 seconds... need I cite the Dallas game?

[Jedieb]

It was in, Alstott was on top of some bodies and the "elbow" replay Aikman was babbling about didn't show squat. Well, there goes a big completion on first down to get them close to midfield. Jesus guys, MAKE A TACKLE!

[Jedieb]

4TH DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jedieb]

KISS MY TAMPA SCHOOLED, USF GRAD, BUTT!!!!!!!!!!! :crack

[Yog]

Bah, the Bucs really lucked out there!

[Ryan Pode]

Uhh... it's like that gatorade commercial where everyone loses without Gatorade... 'Skins didn't drink enough.

[Jedieb]

From a picks standpoint, that game was huge. That's the week for the top 4. I gained on Yog, carr, and jjwr. Even if they'd lost, I'm glad I picked the Bucs. That was too good a game to have any conflicting interests. Man, what a ballgame. It reminds me of that great Bucs/Rams Monday Night game years ago with Shauwn King at QB. Wow.

[Yog]

I gained on Yog, carr, and jjwr

You forget, I played the Eagles this week. Which means you wont gain a single game in the end :)

[Jedieb]

When the Cowboys win and sweep the Eagles for the season I'll have gained 2 games on jjwr, 3 on Carr, and 2 on you. At worst, you don't gain a single game, the other guys will lose 1 and 2 games and you'll all lose a week in the race to catch me. :evil

[Yog]

Lot of people are underestimating the Eagles for this game. I say, the Cowboys are in for some hurtin' :D

[Jedieb]

One thing is for sure, Tommy Maddox won't be in a Steelers uniform next season. Man, the guy looks just dreadfull. The Steelers are in control, but they're going to try and run that clock down as fast as they can. They might as well get it over with and put Randell El under center.

[sirdizzy]

God how I hate the Bucs they are my Kansas City Chiefs this year. Last year I couldn't pick a KC game if a shooting star flew threw my window and a fairy godmother told me the score of the game. This year I can't pick a bucks game for the life of me (I am 3-6 picking bucs games this year, although at this point last year I was 0-9 picking KC games).


And with the KC loss and the Denver win, I finally feel we are in control. They looked good against the hapless raiders today and I want a stat and I can't find it. Jake Plummers has not thrown an interception in 7 games when was the last time that happened. I just found a site and this is going to blow your mind.

Jake Plummer
Career
145 Tds 144 Ints

the last time Jake Plummer had more TD throws than INTs was week 8 of 1997 in his first career start as a rookie with the Arizona Cardinals. He would start the last 10 games of the season and throw 15 Ints and 15 TDs for the season but the only time that season he finished with more TDs than INTs was in his first game against Philadelphia. He would throw 3 tds and 2 ints in his last game that season against atlanta to bring him back even on tds and ints.

Until this year he has only one other time had as many ints as tds and that was in week 11 of his sophomore campaign in 1998 against Dallas.

His longest streak of games without an INT until this year came in 2003 in his inaugral season as a bronco where he would go 4 games without throwing and int (weeks 2-5). In his career until this year 4 times he has gone 2 games without throwing and int and twice hes gone 3 games and of course the one time he went 4 games. That means in 8 seasons he has 7 streaks where he has managed to go more than one game without throwing and int.

Why is this big because he has now gone 7 straight games without throwing and INT almost double his previous best. In 8 seasons and 111 career starts plummer had 35 games where he did not throw an INT and 76 games where he did. This season he has 7 games without an INT and only 2 with one.

In 5 of his 8 seasons as a pro he has thrown more than 20 ints a year (this counting 2003 where he only threw 7 ints his career low but also only played 11 games his career low as well for a season).

oh and as a sidenote Plummer having 1 more career TD than career INT is the most he has ever had. In the only other time in his career he had more TDs than INTs he also threw 1 TD and 0 INTs.

But give the guy credit his career in Denver has been vastly better as he now has 55 tds vs 30 ints as a bronco,

Ok yes I like to crunch numbers but if you are wondering why the Broncos are 7-2 that right there is a big reason.

[JMK]

When it was announced that Boller was coming back to the Ravens lineup I gave them an extra 3 points, up to 12 per game. Turns out I was much, much too generous! :lol

[Ryan Pode]

Hahahaha. Just you wait. This season is a lost cause, I will admit. But whats scary is on defense, everyone but Ray, Dieon, and Dale won't be getting old. A year in the system ... watch out.

As for the offense, the young linemen should be good enough to step up and play, which has been the biggest problem, and the receivers/TEs are still all quite young. They'll still need to play the free agent game as far as linemen and an actual vetern QB, not Anthoy Wright. But next year...

[JMK]

I hear exactly what you're saying. A good defensive team hampered by a terrible offense. Sound much like the Dolphins?
Does anyone really think Fiedler, Feeley or Frerotte were the answer at any point? They all get an F in my book. Fact is, if you don't have a competent QB, the defense has to be letter perfect in every game and hold the opposition to 6 points, no more, because you can't ask for more than 1 TD from the offense. The Ravens would be well advised to ditch Boller. He's a bust.

[Jedieb]

Plummer is having a career year. It seems Shanahan has finally gotten him to settle down and aviod the big mistake. I don't think it's a stretch by any means to consider him for the MVP. Give those stats and record to someone like Vick and the league would be going ape.

Big game tonight. It's awesome to finally have an NFC East Monday night game mean something. First place is on the line and it's not the Eagles who are playing for it. :evil

[JMK]

At what point is Vick going to officially get slapped with the overrated tag? He's electric to watch and gets you on the edge of your seat, but at the end of the day that doesn't mean too much does it? Last week he only put up 3 second half points against Miami and this week he was ruined at home by the Packers. He's 29th among starting QBs in yards passing (6.2 yds per completion) and is 23rd in QB rating. Just throwing that out there.

[Ryan Pode]

Originally posted by JMK
The Ravens would be well advised to ditch Boller. He's a bust.

Did you watch the game?


On Vick:

Look at the Falcons with him. Look at them without him.

[JMK]

I know, they'd be lost without him, but in the end what does he win for them? Sure it could be premature, but so far he's been a whole lot of sizzle and not a whole ton of substance.

As for Boller...I didn't see the game. I saw the highlights. I saw the stats. 142 yards and 3 picks. That's brutal and there's no excusing it. He's got a robust 5.05 yards per pass completed with 0 TD's and 4 INT's.

It seems like he's closer to Tara Reid mentally than Tom Brady.

[sirdizzy]

Whats the record for the most attempts without an int? In the 7 game stretch he has throw the ball 179 times without an int. I don't know how many attempts he had in game 2 after his int.

[sirdizzy]

Ok I found it, Jake Plummer has had 194 pass attempts without an int. The record is Bernie Kosar (1990-1991) Celeveland Browns who went 308 pass attempts without an interception.

[JMK]

I don't think that record is going to fall this year. 308 passes is ridiculous. I'd be shocked if Plummer got that far.

[sirdizzy]

I agree thats another 5 games for him since he is only averaging 25 pass attempts per game. But its nice to know where it is, I'd like to see him get to 200 at least and thats only 6 more attempts. I still think for plummer to have this many games and attepts without an int is amazing and consideration for MVP.

[JMK]

If they hold on and win the division which seems like a formality at this point then yeah, he sure does deserve some MVP consideration. As I try to quickly think about the league, there really aren't that many guys who are setting themselves apart from the rest of the pack this year. Tomlinson could be in the conversation is SD picks it up...no one from the AFC east warrants consideration, except maybe Brady, but that division is too weak to be taken seriously. Manning is becoming cliche, the rest of the division blows. Maybe Steve Smith in Carolina is right up there too?

[Ryan Pode]

Originally posted by JMK
As for Boller...I didn't see the game. I saw the highlights. I saw the stats. 142 yards and 3 picks. That's brutal and there's no excusing it. He's got a robust 5.05 yards per pass completed with 0 TD's and 4 INT's.


Before his first pick: 7 of 7 for 53 yards. Considering there was no Jamal run game, this is good against a good defense. He had two particularly nice throws.

Once he threw his first pick: the team gave up. He started getting hit on just about every play, the defense gave up too. From there on out he was trying to carry the team. He's got potential. Just needs an o-line and people to believe in him because he can make some beautiful throws.

[JMK]

I think if he really does have potential then he needs a change of scenery. Just about everyone paying attention has expected the supposed offensive genius Billick to shape this kid by now. And it hasn't happened. It may not be the right place for Boller.

[jjwr]

Brady should definetly be considered as MVP is the Pats win the division and make the Playoffs.

After 9 games he's leading the league in passing yards and in the top 5 in Rating, top 10 in TD's and INT's. 4 Game winning Drives...where would the Pats be without him?

[Ryan Pode]

The Ravens need to get rid of some of their o-linemen and get better QB. I think with that + Mason/Heap/Clayton/Hymes and C. Taylor/J. Lewis at RB they can be successful. Personally, I'd like Lewis, but Taylor is just more versatile.

As for a QB: Rivers, Schuab as far as youthful guys. Veterns include: Kitna, Volek/McNair (I think one will be gone next year from TN), Garcia (doubt he'll stay in Detroit) and possibly Brad Johnson.

Of course, if Mike Sherman gets the axe, maybe Favre.

[Jedieb]

Boller = suckage
So he started 7-7, who cares? What did that earth shattering 7-7 generate? A FG and around 50 yds of passing offense. Manning, Brady, McNabb, Palmer, you must all retire in shame. Kyle Boller is coming for you!

Any QB in the league can go a couple of possessions without throwing an incompletion. Bottom line, he gets made fun by commentators and pundits around the league and his numbers are simply wretched. Will anyone be shocked if he's out of the league in less than 4 years?

Well, the Eagles just marched down the field and opened the game with a TD. And what's this, 7 rushes? Who's coaching this team? Has Andy Reid been kidnapped?

MVP
Shawn Alexander
Tomlinson

Both of these guys are having amazing seasons. They could both end up with more than 20TD's. If SD keeps finding a way to lose games in the 4th quarter then Alexander may win by default.

[JMK]

The best I can say about Boller is that his 7/7 start for 53 yards is very Jay Fiedler-esque, and everyone knows that if I call someone Fiedler-esque, then that pretty much means they're terrible. It's the lowest a QB can go.

[Ryan Pode]

I'm just saying. When he went 7 for 7, he was making good throws and not getting touched every play. When he stopped making good passes when was his running game stalled and his pass protection broke down completely, the only reason they didnt get more sacks than Indy or the Titans was because Kyle Boller threw it away better. I'm not saying he's gonna be the best, but he's a lot better than his numbers. People attack him because the Ravens didn't score a TD. Well, Kordell Stewart and Anthony Wright didn't get it done either.

[Jedieb]

Watch the lines. The Eagles are blowing the Cowboys off the line on both sides of the ball. The Cowboys are actually lucky to be down by only 10. Since the middle of the second quarter the Eagles have been physically manhandling them. They're driving right now and are a first down away from FG range. This is probably the best I've seen Philly's defense play all season long.

Wow, the Cowboys held on 4th down. The Eagles are teeing off on Bledsoe because the Cowboys can't run. That punt just pinned the Cowboys at the 4. I don't know what Parcells is going to call. Jimme Johnson is going to be coming after them with run and pass blitzes. If they run on first down I'd be stunned if they get anything but stuffed. What the hell, you're on the road, try a flee flicker.

[Jedieb]

Wow....

[Jedieb]

Sometimes, it's better to be lucky than good, and this week, I was DAMN lucky. I went with my heart instead of my head and won both games by 1 point in the most improbable fashion. I don't know what the hell is going on, but it's a jedieb world and we're all living in it. At least this week.
:angel

[Jedieb]

46 seconds, and McNabb can't even come out for the last series. McMahon is in instead of Detmer because of his arm. They're inbounds, tick, tick, tick

29 seconds, still well outside of FG range. C'mon, hold them off, please baby....

1st down, Philly 49, 26 seconds.... damn it, stop them!!!!!!!

Holy crap!!!!!!!!!!!! My stomach almost came out of my mouth!!!!! I can't believe he dropped that ball!!!!!!!!!!

9 seconds.............

60 yard FG.

I can't take this!!!!!!!!!

[Jedieb]

61 yard FG attempt.......

[Jedieb]

Wow, we might just have seen the end of McNabb's season. I feel bad for the guy. He's had to put up with more garbage than any QB should. And let's not lay that INT all on him. Who called that boneheaded play in the first place?

Goodnight, I'm off to a lucky man's sleep.

[Lance Casey]

How bout them Cowboys!

[sirdizzy]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, oh and HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Andy Reid oh where has your mind gone, Mister Reid you have clearly lost it, oh where oh where has your mind gone, up by 6 with a banged up QB and a good RB why not run the ball, why not run the clock out, where oh where has your mind gone, lets pass the ball you say, the fans groan and whimper, ohhh look my banged up QB just threw the game losing int, where has mind gone, why wouldn't I run the ball with a lead and 3 minutes to play, where has your mind gone, it was all TO's fault he was in the stand mooning me you say, he was in my dreams frightening me, its all TO's fault I have forgotten how to call a running play


Coaches to be fired
Andy Reid
Andy Reid
Andy Reid
Andy Reid
Andy Reid
Andy Reid
Andy Reid
Andy Reid
Andy Reid
Andy Reid
oh and maybe Mike Tice and Dom Capers

[Yog]

Man, I wake up to see this. I agree with you Dizzy. When youre up by that many points and still manage to lose it, there is something horribly wrong with the playcalling. Its like the concept of 'running the ball' is a bizarre alien dialect from the omicron delta system 269 billion lightyears away, which our scientists will struggle 2427 years to decrypt with the most brilliant mathematics and supercomputers.

How about running the clock down when your in the lead. How about letting your banged up star quarterback having some rest. Jesus. Your right Dizz, Andy Reid really should be fired. I hope that will happen.

Its like they're shooting themselves constantly in the foot, trying to make what could have been a great season suck.

Also, in both the Redskins and Eagles game, they probably got arrogant at the end thinking they had won it allready. Here is some news for all teams thinking they have won with a few minutes to go: The game is not over before its over.

Donovan McNabbs injuries is gonna haunt the Eagles for the rest of the season like a ghost. Of course, it does not help matters being without the league's best wide receiver either..

[JMK]

I was and am a Andy Reid fan, but he blew it last night. I don't know what the hell he was thinking. They showed a graphic showing the Eagles go with a 71-29 pass-run ratio, the highest percentage all time for passing. Eventually that risky business was going to catch up to him and it did at the most critical juncture of the season. The Eagles are finished now. They are toast. No playoffs and Andy Reid may have to watch out for his job because of what's sure to happen for the next 7 weeks. This could get very ugly in Philly.

Mind blowing stat: The Packers have scored MORE points than they've given up and they're 2-7. What the hell is that?

[jjwr]

Thats because fo the 51-3 drubbing they laid on the Saints.

As for the MVP, odds are it will be one of those two simply due to their mind blowing stats but to me thats what offensive player of the year is for, MVP needs to reflect more than that.

I don't see how they can include both Manning & Edge into the MVP discussion, how can either be MVP with the other on their team?

That leaves Plummer, Tomlinson, Alexander as the front runners with Brady in the picture as well as Steve Smith.

[Jedieb]

Here's what's really sad about that play calling, the Eagles HAD been running the ball. They had, for the first time all season, balance on offense. They had run all over Dallas to the tune of 181 yards. They were bullying Dallas at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. It was only second down. Let's be honest, how many times have you watched a game like that and seen a team try to protect a lead and go 3 and out with 3 running plays? I can understand Reid calling a pass play, but the Eagles were running so well that it wasn't necessary. They could have run on 1st and 2nd and then rolled the dice on 3rd down. Roll McNabb out and see what happens. Before the injury he was moving great. Odds are he could have passed or run for the first on a 3rd and short.

What does last night mean? It means the Eagles are DONE for the season. They're toast. They have NO shot at the division and I can't see them making a run for a WC spot. They might as well let McNabb have his surgery and call it a season.

[JMK]

You're right. That is exactly what I'd like to do if I were Andy Reid. But what would the fans think? Would they let the Eagles throw in the towel? I'm not so sure, but they should let McNabb have his surgery so that he can be ready for training camp. If he waits until the end of the year, one that will most likely finish out of the playoffs anyway, he may miss camp and it could impact the season. 2005 is just about a write off. They've had a window of opportunity for about 4 years now. It was never wider than it was this time in 2004, and now it's all but nailed shut. It's amazing what can happen in less than a year. And sad.

[Jedieb]

NFC East
Dallas 6-3
NY Giants 6-3
Washington 5-4
Philadelphia 4-5

NFC North
Chicago 6-3
Detroit 4-5
Miinnesota 4-5
Green Bay 2-7

NFC South
Carolina 7-2
Tampa Bay 6-3
Atlanta 6-3
New Orleans 2-7

NFC West
Seattle 7-2
St. Louis 4-5
Arizona 2-7
San Francisco 2-7

AFC East
New England 5-4
Buffalo 4-5
Miami 3-6
NY Jets 2-7

AFC North
Cincinnati 7-2
Pittsburgh 7-2
Cleveland 3-6
Baltimore 2-7

AFC South
Indianapolis 9-0
Jacksonville 6-3
Tennessee 2-7
Houston 1-8

AFC West
Denver 7-2
Kansas City 5-4
San Diego 5-4
Oakland 3-6

NFC Seeds
1. Seattle
2. Carolina
3. Chicago
4. Dallas
5. Giants
6. Tampa

AFC Seeds
1. Colts
2. Denver
3. Pittsburgh
4. New England
5. Cincinnati
6. Jacksonville

As best I can figure out, there's the playoff seeding at the moment. Head to head determines division winners and the 4 division winners get the top 4 seeds.

NFC
Right now, Seattle (6-1) has a better conference record than the Panthers (5-1) so they're the top seed. Chicago (5-1) has a slightly better conference record than the Cowboys (5-2) so they get the #3 slot. The Cowboys beat the Giants already, so they're atop of their division. The Giants (5-2) and Tampa Bay (4-2) get the WC spots because they both have better conference records than the Falcons (3-2).

AFC
No question who the #1 seed is so that takes us to #2 and #3. Denver (5-1) gets the nod over the Steelers (6-2) because they have a better winning percentage in the conference. New England gets the last division slot and the #4 spot despite having a worse record than the Bengals, who lose the division right now to the Steelers because they lost their head to head match up a couple of weeks ago. At 6-3, the Jags get the last spot. They're one game ahead of the Chiefs and Chargers.

Man, I LOVE not having the byes to deal with. I'm gonna throw up seedings every week. Let the playoff hunt begin!!!

[Lilaena De'Ville]

San Francisco has the same record as Green Bay!!

[JMK]

There's a lot of 2-7 teams this season. Seems like a lot of teams are suffering in a way the NFL does not like.

[jjwr]

What could be interesting is if the Steelers falter and end up tied with the Pats the Pats would host them as they beat them once already. Course same goes for Denver over the Pats.

Quick glance at the current match ups and I would say....
NFC Seeds
1. Seattle
2. Carolina
3. Chicago
4. Dallas
5. Giants
6. Tampa

Round 1
Chicago over Tampa
Dallas over Giants

Round 2
Cowboys over Seattle
Carolina over Chicago

Round 3
Carolina over Dallas

AFC Seeds
1. Colts
2. Denver
3. Pittsburgh
4. New England
5. Cincinnati
6. Jacksonville

Round 1
Jacksonville over Pittsburgh
New England over Cincy

Round 2
Colts over Jacksonville
New England over Denver *IF* Pats get most injured players back, thats key, no way they beat them in Denver otherwise.

Round 3
Denver/Pats over Colts - I have no faith in Manning in a big game like this until the final score shows a win.

SuperBowl
Carolina over Denver/New England

[JMK]

As long as Manning is indoors I will take the Colts. They've already basically locked up homefield and the SB is in Detroit - indoors. It's going to be very hard not to take the Colts unless they play so poorly down the stretch.

[Ryan Pode]

And the Rams were a lock to beat the Patriots.

[JMK]

I didn't guarantee the Colts were going to win. But at home they should be HEAVY favorites to beat any team in the NFL. That's if the playoffs started today. You can't make a case for anyone to beat the Colts in a dome. Besides, these Colts are better than those Rams.

[jjwr]

These Colts are good but not dominant. A team like Denver can push them around, they have a very good secondary, the real key is the offensive line, if they can get a good push up front then they can keep them off fhe field.

[JMK]

Wouldn't you say the Colts probably have the BEST O-Line? I haven't checked the stats, but Manning does not go down very often, and Edge picks up mad yardage on the ground. But you're right, they don't dominate offensively like they did in the past 2 seasons but they are certainly much much better on defense now. They're a well rounded team and are extremely skilled at all the right positions.

[jjwr]

The lack of sacks is a combination of a few things, when you have a QB like Manning and a RB like Edge its hard to send the house on any regularity as you could get burned and on obvious passing downs Manning is good enough that he gets rid of the ball before he gets nailed. Not that the line isn't good but you will rarely see Manning flat footed and taken unaware.

Brady does the same thing to a extent, he hasn't been sacked much this year even though the line is questionable, he just senses the pressure and gets rid of the ball.

[Jedieb]

I expect a couple of those teams in each conference to lose their playoff spot before it's over. There's a lot of season left. I think one of the more dangerous teams in the playoffs will be the Steelers. Losing HF in the championship game is actually an advantage for that team and may be the only way they can get to the Superbowl. I've seen them play a bunch of times this year and they're one of the best teams I've seen this year. New England simply doesn't resemble the team that won the Superbowl these last 2 years. They'll probably win this weekend and that will be only the first time this year that they've managed to win 2 games in a row. If the AFC East weren't in such a pathetic state they'd be in danger of missing the playoffs altogether.

As for the Indy offense, they're clicking now. No, the passing numbers aren't there, but there running more than they have in years. They're ranked 6th rushing and 8th passing. That balance makes this 'weakened' offense #2 overall. You throw in that improved defense which ranks #4 in yards and #2 in points and you've got the most balanced team in football. They're not unbeatable, but right now they're the clear favorite to win it all. I'd like to see Manning finally get it done just so he can get this "big game" monkey on his back.

[Ryan Pode]

Indy's dominance in a dome used to come because they were a speed team playing on astroturf. They are on field turf now and a lot of people play on field turf. The speed differences between fieldturf and dry grass are almost negligable.

[Jedieb]

It's not just the turf, it's a climate controlled fast track in January. No wind, rain, or snow for Manning, his receivers, and Edge to deal with. It also helps Dungy's defense which isn't built on power, but speed. Would you rather pass block Freeney on a muddy field or in a dome?

I really do think the Steelers are dangerous if they have to travel for the championship game. I don't care what Indy's record is come January, I think the one team that could beat them at home in that game is the Steelers. Denver's closed the gap, but I don't think they've done enough and the Pats simply aren't the team they use to be.

[Jedieb]

And if the things weren't bad enough for the Pats, their center Dan Koppen is out for the season and safety Randall Gay is on injured reserve. The hits just keep coming.

[Jedi Master Carr]

I think Seattle could be a team to be recongned with. I think they will get best record considering their schedule and have a great shot off making their first SB. I am thinking it will be a Colt-Seahawk super bowl right now.

[sirdizzy]

my thoughts so far on the mvp race

#1 Ladanian Tomilnson, if it weren't for Marty whos a bad coach this team would be 8-1. LT is the best player in the league bar none and he does more for his team than any other player in the league.

#2 Shaun Alexander. Man this guy is tough, he can catch the ball and he runs it with power, he is the seahawks and I glad they finally pulled their head out of their asses and gave him his much deserved contract extension.

#3 Edgerin James. Hes the Colts right now, with every team dropping 8 and 9 games they have had to ask him to step up and he has and hes the reason they are undefeated.

#4 Jake Plummer. 194 consecutive pass attempts without an INT, had someone told you before the season plummer would throw 200 passes without an int you would have asked them what they were smoking. He has finally matured and he is helping them contend.

#5 Tom Brady. Without Brady the past are 2-7 and way out of the playoffs. With him they are 5-4 and will make the playoffs, hes the modern day Elway.

#6 Carson Palmer. Still young and got a ways to go but has shown maturity and the bengals will make it the playoffs for the first time since 1990 although they won't make it pass the division weekend.

#7 Steve Smith. He is the panthers pass offense, without him they have no passing game.

#8 Dwight Freeney. Yet to be tested by a good team but he has been the difference maker for that indy defense.

#9 Steven Jackson. Too bad that Mike Martz was his coach for the first half of the season, the rams would be a great team and poised for the playoffs if they had gotten the ball sooner to Jackson.

#10 TO, for finally exposing what a crap coach Andy Reid is and in the hopes that Reid will be fired.

[sirdizzy]

oh and for our resident ravens fans

With his 17 rushing touchdowns through Week 10, Shaun Alexander is averaging 11.33 points per game. That's .23 points per game more than the Ravens entire team.

[Jedieb]

Originally posted by sirdizzy
oh and for our resident ravens fans

With his 17 rushing touchdowns through Week 10, Shaun Alexander is averaging 11.33 points per game. That's .23 points per game more than the Ravens entire team.

Damn, now there's two of us kicking the Ravens while they're down. :evil

Great MVP recap diz. It'll be interesting to see how these guys finish down the stretch. I think Alexander and LT may be seperated by the playoffs. If Marty Ball keeps the Chargers out of the playoffs then that may swing a few votes Alexander's way. I hadn't heard about his contract extension, I'm glad the Seahawks ponied up. That guy has been amazing over the last few seasons.

[jjwr]

LT really is amazing, I can see him getting the Offensive Player of the Year award if his team doesn't make the playoffs.

[JMK]

He's probably already got that locked up regardless of the rest of the year. His versatility is too much.

That stat for Alexander vs the entire Ravens offense pretty much tells you EVERYTHING you need to know about Baltimore. Sucks to say it, but such is life. They are terrible.

[jjwr]

Agreed. I don't see how they can keep Billick around, no other team has been that inept offensively for that long.

As for the Pats injuries, ouch...

They have already placed the following on IR for the season

Linebacker Ryan Claridge
Cornerback Randall Gay
Safety Rodney Harrison
Center Dan Koppen
Receiver Michael McGrew
Cornerback Tyrone Poole
Cornerback Chad Scott
Safety Guss Scott
Cornerback Duane Starks

Included are 7 Players who have started this year. Not included are Matt Light and Kevin Faulk, both went down early in the year and will hopefully be back late.

Factor in the time Corey Dillon, Richard Seymour, and Tedy Bruschi have missed and I can't think of another team that could miss that many starters, not just quality starters but pro-bowl starters and still have a shot at the playoffs. Course they got lucky with the weak division but these injuries have just been brutal.

[JMK]

You could create a decent expansion team with the guys that have been lost for some period of time. It really is brutal.

[Ryan Pode]

Yeah yeah yeah. I've seen that stat number. We've set the fewest points on one side of the ball... now the other.

[JMK]

Luckily that Ravens defense was SO good a few years ago that when people hear that name they still remember that team instead of the inept team they are now.

[Ryan Pode]

2000 defense = best ever.

[JMK]

Yeah, certainly top 2 - if any old schoolers want to talk about the 85 Bears you can probably make a case for both defenses.

[Jedieb]

85 Bears, all the way. Much better team, that's for sure. They could put up some monster offensive numbers as well. I remember what that team did to the Cowboys that year. Ughh, I think it was a 44-0 beat down that served notice to the country and the league that that Bears team was for real.

85 Bears
70's Steel Curtain
2000 Ravens
2001 Bucs
2002, 03, 05 Pats

There are my top 5 modern defenses.

[Yog]

I think the MVP race is really between two people, LT and Shaun Alexander. The results in the rest of the season should determine the winner. I would be very surprised if a QB or WR wins it this year.

[JMK]

Originally posted by Jedieb
85 Bears, all the way. Much better team, that's for sure. They could put up some monster offensive numbers as well. I remember what that team did to the Cowboys that year. Ughh, I think it was a 44-0 beat down that served notice to the country and the league that that Bears team was for real.

85 Bears
70's Steel Curtain
2000 Ravens
2001 Bucs
2002, 03, 05 Pats

There are my top 5 modern defenses.

Geez, all superbowl winning teams. I wonder if there's any truth to the fact that defense wins titles? ;)

[Ryan Pode]

The 2000 Ravens are better than the 85 Bears because the Ravens set the points record and won the superbowl (didn't let up an offensive score in that game). The 85 Bears won the superbowl and the 86 Bears set the record (to be broken by the '00 Ravens).

The '00 Ravens had 4 shutouts, the 85-86 Bears had 3.

The '00 Ravens held opponents to 7 or less 8 times. The 85 Bears did it 6 times and the 86 Bears did it 5 times.

The 85-86 Bears teams were so good because they had a balanaced team. Their offense could put up points. The Ravens went 5 games in '00 without scoring an offensive TD. They went 2-3.

All of this being said, the only time a defense has ever carried a team to the superbowl and won it without having a top 15 offense was the 2000 Ravens. The 85 Bears were good, but only good enough to be second place.

[sirdizzy]

How bout some love for the Orange Crush, anyone

[Figrin D'an]

Week 10 Results

sirdizzy: 10-4
Jedieb: 11-3
JMK: 9-5
Jinn Fizz: 9-5
Ryan Pode: 7-7
Blade Ice: 8-6
Jedi Master Carr: 8-6
Lance Casey: 10-4
Nathanial K'cansce: 9-5
Lilaena De'Ville: 11-3
jjwr: 9-5
Figrin D'an: 10-4
Yoghurt: 9-5


Updated Season Totals

Jedieb: 102-42
Yoghurt: 95-49
Jedi Master Carr: 94-50
jjwr: 94-50
Figrin D'an: 92-52
Lance Casey: 92-52
Lilaena De'Ville: 91-53
sirdizzy: 90-54
JMK: 88-56
Ryan Pode: 85-59
Nathanial K'cansce: 84-60
Jinn Fizz: 73-55
Eldorack: 36-20
Blade Ice: 59-39
Kale: 23-23
Ambrose Braeden: 10-6
Lamar Starworth: 5-11

[Jedieb]

Originally posted by sirdizzy
How bout some love for the Orange Crush, anyone

They had a great defense, and their Superbowl with the Dallas Cowboys was a turnover filled defensive battle. But it was the Doomsday defense that played better in that Superbowl. So I'd rank them ahead of the Orange Crush.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

*breathes noisily down Figrin's neck*

:mischief

[sirdizzy]

Purple people eaters maybe?!?

[Jedieb]

Great defense, but look what happened to the poor bastards in their Superbowls. They were the Buffalo Bills of the 70's.