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[Sanis Prent]

I've been tweaking with this idea for a little while now, and I've just now gotten back into drawing. Pretty much, I'm trying to go for a little more stylized, comic, and nonsense sort of look for Sanis and Cirr. The problem? I'm pretty crap with any kind of production-caliber art anyway, and I usually end all my pieces in frustration, with scribbles, tearing up the paper, burning, etc and asking Christin to do it all for me.

I've been bitten by the inspiration bug, and I'm really trying to stay on task with this. So take a look at this demo and critique at will. Mind you, this image was made by snapping a shot with my digital camera and cropping in paint. Don't be "too" critical of that aspect of it ;)

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[Droo]

Sanis screams Gorrilaz and that's great. I think Sanis has more character in the way he looks compared to Cirr but I love the way you've made Cirr look. In my humble artistic opinion, all in all I'd say you've done a great job with drawing your characters.

I love the mental image I have when Cirr is miserable or sad and his ears really droop. I'd like to see your artistic impression of that sketched sometime. :)

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I like them. Only, Cirr's arms are just sticking off the top of his body.

:D

[Sanis Prent]

as opposed to...?

[Dasquian Belargic]

I agree with Dru. Looks like something from Gorillaz. Very nice :)

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I can't explain it. I still like it though!

[Sanis Prent]

Maybe the arms are laying away from the torso, instead of against it? If so, that's something I'm working on correcting for the revisions :)

[Blade Bacquin]

Nice work i like it, Keep it up.

[Hera]

I like it too - being unable to draw a stick, I think its rather clever.

The only thing I would say is that Cirr looks a little agro to me. Im used to picturing him in a more amenable expression.

[Sanis Prent]

Originally posted by Droo
I love the mental image I have when Cirr is miserable or sad and his ears really droop. I'd like to see your artistic impression of that sketched sometime. :)

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I doodled this last night at the bar

[Tear]

Originally posted by Lilaena De'Ville
I like them. Only, Cirr's arms are just sticking off the top of his body.

:D

Its because hes a husky fella and has no neck.

[Sanis Prent]

Originally posted by DarthHERA
I like it too - being unable to draw a stick, I think its rather clever.

The only thing I would say is that Cirr looks a little agro to me. Im used to picturing him in a more amenable expression.

What does agro mean? :)

[Sanis Prent]

Originally posted by Tear
Its because hes a husky fella and has no neck.

Bingo. Keeping the shoulder lines parallel or above the jawline is a good way to show mass.

[Hera]

Agro = Aggravated

[Sanis Prent]

Originally posted by DarthHERA
Agro = Aggravated

HAPPY! HA HA HA! HAPPY!

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[Loklorien s'Ilancy]

I understand what Holly meant, and I agree with her. Even when doing cartooning, you still want to adhere to - however loosely - 'form follows function'. The right shoulder joint and the right side of his shirt give the appearence that his shoulder is a bit misplaced, but that can easily be fixed by moving the right 'shirt line' over a little more so that his arm looks more to be in front.

That being said, I like them alot :) They may have started out looking Gorillaz-esque, but I think you're starting to get your own style with them.

[Cirrsseeto Quez]

Originally posted by s'Ilancy
I understand what Holly meant, and I agree with her. Even when doing cartooning, you still want to adhere to - however loosely - 'form follows function'. The right shoulder joint and the right side of his shirt give the appearence that his shoulder is a bit misplaced, but that can easily be fixed by moving the right 'shirt line' over a little more so that his arm looks more to be in front.

That being said, I like them alot :) They may have started out looking Gorillaz-esque, but I think you're starting to get your own style with them.

Yeah I talked to Tea-San about it and he said more or less the same, that since he's got mass like that, the arms should really rest against the body if they're relaxed.

[Hera]

Now I recognize him :hug

[Cirrsseeto Quez]

Originally posted by DarthHERA
Now I recognize him :hug

How d'ya like me now? :D

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[Bambi Maddox]

Now that, I love :D

[Cirrsseeto Quez]

I don't know...

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[Anbira Hicchoru]

this one's silly

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[Droo]

Originally posted by Cirrsseeto Raurrssatta
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For some reason, this really makes me think of Chris and Charley. :)

[Anbira Hicchoru]

I'm afraid to ask :uhoh

[Lilaena De'Ville]

lol

I like them, they're looking really good.

[Nayala Palain]

They all look wonderful

[Morgan Evanar]

Originally posted by Droo
For some reason, this really makes me think of Chris and Charley. :) I am totally at a loss for this statement.

[Anbira Hicchoru]

I guess I'm Sanis and you're Cirr? ;)

[Anbira Hicchoru]

My first attempt at drawing with a pencil sketch skeleton. Mostly crap.

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[Loklorien s'Ilancy]

Actually, I rather like how that turned out. I'll take you through my boning (yes it's an actual term; nothing naughty, you lot of dirty, DIRTY minds) process step by step on Wednesday to see if we can make it easier a process and more second nature for you :)

[Anbira Hicchoru]

Originally posted by s'Ilancy
Actually, I rather like how that turned out. I'll take you through my boning (yes it's an actual term; nothing naughty, you lot of dirty, DIRTY minds) process step by step on Wednesday to see if we can make it easier a process and more second nature for you :)

Ok, I REALLY like using the skeleton as a framework for my drawing!

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[Zeke]

The skeletons are helping. The characters are gaining personality.

[Anbira Hicchoru]

Thanks man :)

It really is a big help in being able to help me plan where certain lines fall. I'm always getting in trouble of drawing a section and having something else supposed to overlap in that exact spot. Also, I'm terrible at body proportion, so its always good to be able to have a preconceived notion of where it all falls.

[Dasquian Belargic]

http://sw-fans.net/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=724968
Do you use one of these? I always find them very helpful.

[Anbira Hicchoru]

nah, I'm just sketching the skeletons in .5mm pencil :)

[Sanis Prent]

Some people have complained that Sanis is too skinny. I'll have you know that he is RIPPED LIKE A BEAST!

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Here's Danaari, leaning against something. My first real sketch of her. Somewhat crap.

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[Lilaena De'Ville]

is she holding a gameboy?

[Sanis Prent]

Indeed she is. Where do you think she gets her fast-twitch hand-eye coordination that makes her such an excellent ship's gunner? ;)

[Zeke]

Hey, it's a classic Gameboy, too! Awesome. She needs work from her waist down, but the rest is looking just fine.

[Sanis Prent]

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^_^;

[Sanis Prent]

Piggyback!

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[Zeke]

Cirr's got a neat expression, and Daani is much improved from the last drawing. Changing her shirt helped.

[Anbira Hicchoru]

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I did some profile work, just to make sure I had more or less perfected each character's facial roadmap. Sanis is almost exactly where I want him to be. Cirr is just slightly behind, and Daani is getting there, but probably will see a few changes before she's in her distilled form.

Christin teaches gud. She helped me quite a bit with forming my skeletons, and how to generally arrange a layout.

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[Loklorien s'Ilancy]

I really like that last one the most. It's very clean and crisp.

[Milivikal k'Vik]

I really like the bottom image.

[Kale]

Hey, got some contraposto going on with Sanis in the middle picture there. I think that's your most natural and relaxed pose yet; I like it a lot. Keep working with those skeletons.

Profiles are looking nice. I do like how Daani turned out. I think it would help Cirr's overall facial structure if his eyes were closer to the centerline between his jaw and the top of his head; they're a bit too high, and that throws the forehead and upper skull out of whack. I do like the personalities you've got going here.

[Nevlonniel]

Not bad. It has a certain rough-edge feel to it. :)

That one of Cirr tearing at the steak sent me into a giggle-fest. :lol

[Anbira Hicchoru]

Originally posted by Kale
Hey, got some contraposto going on with Sanis in the middle picture there. I think that's your most natural and relaxed pose yet; I like it a lot. Keep working with those skeletons.

Errryeah, except that he's got roughly a size one waist in that shot. I shouldn't have cut the back of his jacket so far in, or at least started it farther back on his arm a touch.


Profiles are looking nice. I do like how Daani turned out. I think it would help Cirr's overall facial structure if his eyes were closer to the centerline between his jaw and the top of his head; they're a bit too high, and that throws the forehead and upper skull out of whack. I do like the personalities you've got going here.

Yeah, Cirr's eyes float high on that one. I'll cut a better one in a second.

[Sene Unty]

It started off a little rough around the edges but it is really coming into it's own. Those last two of Sanis are very good.

[Anbira Hicchoru]

Somebody requested more Daani. Here you go, somebody.

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[Arya Ravenwing]

Whats with the goggles though? She doesn't wear goggles.

[Anbira Hicchoru]

Then what does she wear :) Help me out since I'm on autopilot!

[Arya Ravenwing]

I dunno, pants and a t-shirt?

Maybe capris.

In her sig she's always wearing a lil' dress. ^_^; I just think the goggles make her look like she's a podracer.

[Anbira Hicchoru]

Give me some backstory on her :) Her likes and dislikes, and what she might do with her free time.

I was thinking that she'd become Layla's gunner because of...oh...natural videogame skills?

[Lilaena De'Ville]

She's the youngest daughter of a doting mother who obsesses about DETAILS and small things. I'd think that she's got a natural ability to sneak around and be unseen when she wants to. I don't think a small girl would fit right into a gunners seat, but if you want, that can be part of the backstory that she's a videogame nut.

Its hard, because in the other 'Fans, she was only like 6.

[Darth Stratus]

Yeah very Gorrilaz like, enjoying the show :D

What would be cool is if we could see you're perception on other characters here at the boards :)

[Dasquian Belargic]

http://panicked.org/SA/sketch19.JPG

this is made of awesome

[Sanis Prent]

Originally posted by Lilaena De'Ville
She's the youngest daughter of a doting mother who obsesses about DETAILS and small things. I'd think that she's got a natural ability to sneak around and be unseen when she wants to. I don't think a small girl would fit right into a gunners seat, but if you want, that can be part of the backstory that she's a videogame nut.

Its hard, because in the other 'Fans, she was only like 6.

Ok, gotcha


Originally posted by Darth Stratus
Yeah very Gorrilaz like, enjoying the show :D

What would be cool is if we could see you're perception on other characters here at the boards :)

Maybe down the road. I've got a lot to do before I'm that comfortable with this style.



MORE CRAP!!!

http://panicked.org/sa/sketch21.jpg

Shot of Sanis from the back. I've never drawn a character from behind, so this was all very new. The eyes are crap, and I wasn't sure what to do with the fold of the jacket that went over his holster. Also, drawing the backs of feet is strange.

http://panicked.org/sa/sketch22.jpg

My first composite shot of Sanis, Cirrsseeto, and Daanarri. Looks like a fun night. The poses in these were all over the place, so my mileage varies. I know the perspective issues with Sanis make him look like he's lying uphill or something. I'll sort that out later.

Cirr's half-hearted kegstand was fun to do :)

[Videl]

hmm, Daani is getting there a little more but she still looks a bit boyish in the face.....looking good otherwise though....

[Sanis Prent]

Originally posted by Videl
hmm, Daani is getting there a little more but she still looks a bit boyish in the face.....looking good otherwise though....

She's eleven. She's not really supposed to be all that dolled up.

[Videl]

Originally posted by Sanis Prent
She's eleven. She's not really supposed to be all that dolled up.

I know but she should look a little girly...

[Lilaena De'Ville]

She shouldn't have jaboobies though :p

I think the problem is that you have given her really broad shoulders and a tiny waist and hips, like a guy.

[Cirrsseeto Quez]

Originally posted by Lilaena De'Ville
She shouldn't have jaboobies though :p

She doesn't, but they develop around that age, so its not unusual to expect beestings.


I think the problem is that you have given her really broad shoulders and a tiny waist and hips, like a guy.

I agree.

[Videl]

Originally posted by Lilaena De'Ville
She shouldn't have jaboobies though :p

I think the problem is that you have given her really broad shoulders and a tiny waist and hips, like a guy.

yeah that too but I didn't want to sound rude in saying it.... :lol:

[Zereth Lancer]

I really like the way you draw Sanis. He looks hilarious at all times.

Keep up the good work, bro.

[Sanis Prent]

Looks like I'm back from my imposed sabbatical:

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[Sanis Prent]

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Basic coloring in photoshop. No frills. Just learning.

[Sanis Prent]

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More mattes in PS, a little cleaner than the previous one

[Loklorien s'Ilancy]

So wait - Sanis paints his fingernails pink?

[Sanis Prent]

Well, the fingernails are a more flushed shade than the skin tone and they aren't white. I took a stab at it.

[Loklorien s'Ilancy]

I like it. Shows that he's secure in his manliness ;)

Layers make all the difference, don't they :)