Michael Jackson NOT guilty on ALL charges.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

We should know in a few minutes if Michael Jackson is convicted on any of the charges, or if he isn't.

I hate waiting for verdicts, they take forever. We were supposed to know at 1:30 (pst).

[Dutchy]

Good for him. Thought he wasn't. :)

[Anbira Hicchoru]

Do you just wait in the wings to post things like this? This isn't even 30 seconds old on the wires, man!

[Lilaena De'Ville]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8062350/

He has been found not guilty on all charges.

[Anbira Hicchoru]

^^^ DAMMIT

Not guilty on all counts.

[CMJ]

Internationals were always more in Jackson's camp. I fully expected Dutchy to be the one to start this thread.

[Anbira Hicchoru]

You're missing the point entirely here.

[Cat Terrist]

Prosecution picked the wrong case. Pity, he's about as innocent as OJ is

[Cat Terrist]

Originally posted by CMJ
Internationals were always more in Jackson's camp.

I very much doubt that. I'm sure as hell not, the procecution picked a bad case.

[Jedi Master Carr]

The Prosecution did an awful job first off and it was a bad case, I didn't even think he was guilty in this one because of the mother trying to con Jay Leno and Chris Tucker that made the whole case looked bad, and then the Prosecuters bungle their way through the case it really should be a shock the way it turned out.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

That is my opinion as well (the OJ comment). Reasonable doubt was snuck into the jury's mind by the defense, and you cannot convict a man who... might be innocent.

After he paid off an accuser in 1993, one can't believe he could be innocent. You don't pay off people who don't have a leg to stand on, you go to trial and are proven innocent. In this case, however, I think his lawyers knew that they could disprove the accuser (or at least his mother), and so they went to court.

That, and Jackson is so broke he couldn't afford to pay off anyone again.

... ;) I hear he's celebrating with a sleepover at Neverland Ranch.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Thread is in the wrong forum, so it is moved, and merged with second thread.

[Cat Terrist]

Add the other 4 he paid off. Oh, now that was a nasty surprise to find that out and I think that the only reason there is resonable doubt is the family the prosecution used proved to be crap. You cant base conviction on prior acts that arent related tot he case, but clearly Jackson is not insane, he's in fact highly intelligent, evidence given in trial showed he had the classic behaviour of a molestor.

The only good thing in this is that Jackson will be so closely watched, he'll have trouble putting his own hand up his pants, let alone a boy's.

[Darth Decepis]

That, and its hard to operate an amusement park, petting zoo, and candy factory with a crushing legal debt.

Hope he enjoys his pyrrhic victory!

[Rutabaga]

I think something improper happened, but the case was very poorly prosecuted, and reasonable doubt was present. I may not agree with the verdict, but I can see why they came to the verdict they did.

Now, this much I am sure of. I am very relieved this trial is over, because it has had a direct impact on my life on more than one occasion. See, I live in Santa Maria. Less than a mile from the courthouse. Right around the corner from it. I also work at an offshoot of the city's one hospital, which is the one Jackson went to early in the trial when he started puking in the limo or whatever was going on. The hospital, including our unit, was in lockdown, the media was all over the place (at least 20 satellite trucks parked in front of the building I work in!), and I've never seen such big ol' bodyguards. It was detrimental to patient care, and I'm glad that my prediction that Jackson would collapse in the courtroom today didn't prove to be true, because we just didn't want to go through that tomfoolery again.

This whole circus has been something this city simply is not used to, and it was starting to drive us nutty. So I and my fellow residents of Santa Maria are glad this is all over.

Reporters, GO HOME! Crazy fans, GO HOME! And hooray, the police can now take down the barricades around the courthouse.

[Vendetta]

Don't we still have troops in Iraq? An oil shortage? Social security problems and a growing debt?

Hooray for the media.

[Droo]

I don't believe he is guilty of the charges at all. Never did.

[Sanis Prent]

Originally posted by Droo
I don't believe he is guilty of the charges at all. Never did.

A QUEEN!

[Baralai Lotus]

I think he is completly innocent. The mother has no credibility, none. . .absolutely none. And the whole thing was a sham, I completly beleive Jackson is innocent!

[Dasquian Belargic]

Originally posted by Droo
I don't believe he is guilty of the charges at all. Never did.

I agree :)

[Darth Stratus]

I think he's guilty as sin.

Like LD said you dont just pay off a kid and his mother for apsaloutly no reason at all, if he was innocent, why not proove it by evidence? This time he was stupidly lucky and although i've not been following the trial religiously, because here in britian most of us dont give a poodle, i still think that the man is a nut job and for the safety of himself and his future...guests, should have some sort of ban on having children at his ranch or in private with him anywhere. Even if he did not do it this would exclude him from future allogations.

[Oriadin]

I havent been paying much attention to the trial but I have to ask the question, why would any parent in their right mind let their child go to Michael Jacksons house without their supervision given his past track record unless you were trying to get money out of the guy.

To be honest, im not sure if he is guilty or not but what I do know is that if I had a child, I would never let them go near Michael Jackson. I dont think he is a clever man, far from it. I think he is probably insane. He has had a far from normal life and I belive its taken its toll. I feel sorry for him but he does creep me out.

[JMK]

I agree with Marcus, he's about as innocent as OJ.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Originally posted by Oriadin
I think he is probably insane. He has had a far from normal life and I belive its taken its toll. I feel sorry for him but he does creep me out.

ditto

[Dutchy]

The guy is a musical genius.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

If Michael Jackson was, instead of a superstar singer/dancer/whatever, a Roman Catholic Priest, he'd be behind bars.

No one questions the accusations of men who come forward after 30 years of being silent on the subject. What gets me the most is that people don't say "oh I didn't believe the accuser," they just say they didn't believe the mother.

This poor kid has been a victim twice now. Once to Jackson, and then by the legal system.

[Droo]

Originally posted by Lilaena De'Ville
This poor kid has been a victim twice now. Once to Jackson, and then by the legal system.

You say that like it is fact, but regardless of what someone's opinion may be, it's still speculation.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

I'm sure this is very comforting to people everywhere who have been victims of sexual abuse at the hands of adults. This isn't the kind of crime that you can PROVE - touching innapropriately leaves no scars.

[Dutchy]

Originally posted by Lilaena De'Ville
This poor kid has been a victim twice now. Once to Jackson

You were there?

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Originally posted by Lilaena De'Ville
If Michael Jackson was, instead of a superstar singer/dancer/whatever, a Roman Catholic Priest, he'd be behind bars.

No one questions the accusations of men who come forward after 30 years of being silent on the subject.

[Sanis Prent]

Originally posted by Dutchy
The guy is a musical genius.

Was. He hasn't had a song thats worth two flips in seventeen years. If he could've hung onto whatever mojo he had around the time of Bad then maybe he wouldn't be such a flipping nutcase.

[Sanis Prent]

Originally posted by Lilaena De'Ville
If Michael Jackson was, instead of a superstar singer/dancer/whatever, a Roman Catholic Priest, he'd be behind bars.

Or quickly shuffled through the diocese before charges could mount up. Whichever.

[Droo]

Originally posted by Sanis Prent Was. He hasn't had a song thats worth two flips in seventeen years. If he could've hung onto whatever mojo he had around the time of Bad then maybe he wouldn't be such a flipping nutcase.

Dangerous was an excellent album, imo.

[Sanis Prent]

No it kinda sucked actually.

[Droo]

To each his own. It has some incredible tracks, my favourite being Will You Be There.

[Cat Terrist]

Originally posted by Dutchy
You were there?

Dutchy, there's been not one payoff like in 1993, but 5 - 5!. There was a lot of evidence of behaviour known to be associated with pedophiles. The man admits to behaviour that's suspicious. He's intelligent, highly so. I noted one of the jurors commented Jackson is probably a pedophile but for the evidence in this instance, it was difficult to convict.

I dont doubt the boy was molested in some fashion. However, it was shown that the mother was running a standover sting, a liar as well. When your presented with unreliable witnesses like that, what chioce did the jury have? There was resonable doubt, thence you must find innocent. The jury did their job exactly how they should have. I would saty tho, if Jackson didnt have such a good legal team, the result could have been different.

The failure to lock Jackson up belongs to the prosecution for failing to run a strong and compelling argument.

[Sanis Prent]

Originally posted by Cat Terrist
The failure to lock Jackson up belongs to the prosecution for failing to run a strong and compelling argument.

Exactly. It's the legal equivalent of muffing the two foot putt on the 18th hole of the Masters.

If you actually think the jury came away with a clean concience on this, you must be a Martian. I guarantee the lion's share of them have deep and significant misgivings about turning a loony like Jacko free into public again. The cookie just so happens to crumble in Jacko's favor, because he has to be convicted beyond reasonable doubt, and the lynch pin in this instance seems to be a shady schemer.

The good part about all of this is that it makes Michael Jackson's estate worth even less than it already is, burying him in an even bigger mountain of debt, and hopefully keeping his Molester Mobile fresh out of candy.

The bad part about it, if I and many others are right, is that Jacko's potentially got the chance to do it again. Pedos are creatures of unflinching habit. We will see this again and again.

[Cat Terrist]

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,15618228-2,00.html

Unfortunantly, I dont doubt he'll offend again.

[Jedieb]

Somewhere out in La La Land there's a parent stupid enough to believe Michael is all about Love, Happiness, and Kittens. They'll drop their kids off at Neverland for Michael's special Day Care services. Idiots. Man, I was really looking forward to Michael getting some payback by a behemoth named Bruno once the cell block lights went out for the night. Oh well, hopefully he'll have to give up the rights to Beatles tunes before the decade is out.

As for his music, as his nose has disappeared, so has his talent. He hasn't put out decent music, or music that people have paid attention to, for YEARS. He's done.

[Sanis Prent]

Originally posted by Jedieb
As for his music, as his nose has disappeared, so has his talent. He hasn't put out decent music, or music that people have paid attention to, for YEARS. He's done.

But Europe, man! They love his music!

EUUUURRRROPE!!!!!!

I saw a ton of pictures from the Associated Press coverage on the whole fiasco, and it was incredibly funny how many people from Europe dropped what they were doing, flew to California, in order to "protest" or whatever they do outside the court while all of this crap is happening.

Get back to work, you socialist dogs! :mad

[Yog]

Well, belive it or not, as big as he may have been in the US, he was even bigger overseas. Take it from superstar to "gigastar". Those nuts traveling across the Atlantic to camp outside the court are fanatics, and not representative to what most people here think. In fact, its my impression the public here is more sceptic to Michael Jacksons 'innocence' than the Americans are.

I disagree about Michael losing talent though. Ok, so maybe he is not as creative as in the "Thriller/Bad" era, but even the more mediocre tracks of his later albums are better than 90% of the recycled trash output on the market today. The man understands music. A true genius at that.

[Droo]

Originally posted by Master Yoghurt
I disagree about Michael losing talent though. Ok, so maybe he is not as creative as in the "Thriller/Bad" era, but even the more mediocre tracks of his later albums are better than 90% of the recycled trash output on the market today. The man understands music. A true genius at that.

That's very true.

[Anbira Hicchoru]

Yeah but who are we comparing him to? I'll admit that he's currently got more musical talent than Fitty Cent or whoever, but that's about like me saying that I can lift more weights than Stephen Hawking.

Relativism shall get you nowhere in this music snobbery duel.

[Droo]

What music snobbery duel? Music is all down to personal tastes and opinions. I still like Michael Jackson's music and that's all there is to it.

[Loklorien s'Ilancy]

I'm with Dru on this one. I haven't heard any of Jackson's new music myself, but I know there are some of his songs that I listen to and really enjoy. The melodies and tunes in the Earth Song are some of my favorite

[Jedieb]

Has anyone else seen Triumph the Insult comic interview the MJ supporters outside the courthouse? Priceless.