READ: Imperials need organising

[Tiberius Anar]

As most will know the boards are being "re-set". Essentially we are going back to the hours after the Emperor died and, for one year at least, playing out a story arc based around that time.

http://www.sw-fans.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38319&perpage=20&pagenumber=1

This means that the Empire is, at least to start with, a single entity once more. This in turn means that all the Imperials on the boards are going to be working together.

Let's work out where and, to some extent, who we are all going to be in the re-set galaxy. Are we going to be Moffs who see an opportunity to make their own Empire? Are we Generals wlling to maek a bid for the throne? Admirals left in command of the fleet at Endor by the death of Piett? Are we Vader's Sith apprentices? I will start.

I wish to make Tiberius Anar a full time polictician/administrator in this new setting. He is the Emperor's caretaker, the chief minister who gets lumbered with all the donkey work of implementing domestic policy. When the emperor dies he is one of the men left trying to hold the empire together (I'm thinking he could tell the Moffs and has them implement martial law). The question is: will he make a bid to be the man?

(As a note, the story arc that I thought would be most interesting for us would be that Sate Pestage, the Grand Viser, knows the Emperor has a clone. The leaders of the Empire send out a fleet to search for the clone. We could put it under the command of one Palpatine's loyal apprentices (e.g. Viscera) and have him roving the Galaxy whilst the Rebels try to thwart his efforts to find the clone.)

[Lady Vader]

Speaking for Javus Parr, former Commander in the Imperial Navy and to the Saiatah High Roller, now the Prime Minister or Moff or whatever title is appropriate for watching over Corellia's dealings (not beaurocratically, but mostly militarily).

Anyways, I'm going to tie him losely to TSO, mostly because TSO was set up by Palpatine on Corellia and then later moved to Korriban. The only ones that had knowledge of this to secure secrecy of TSO were Palpatine, Vader, and Javus. Now with Palpatine and Vader dead, Javus is the only one that knows of TSO's existance and where it is based. He can be a mediator between the Empire and these Sith.

Javus is extremely loyal to the Empire and Emperor (Sith as well), and with the Emperor now gone, he has taken it upon himself to continue to oversee dealings on Corellia and maintain order there, while also supplying TSO with information.

He feels that these chosen Sith by Palpatine, along with the stability of the Empire, are the ones that can thwart and crush the Rebellion and what Jedi still remain.

(And assuming enough still want to play Shadow Squadron and it is ok with the other Imperials, Javus will allow the squadron a safe haven on Corellia.)

So, um, yeah, can Javus play too? :p

[Droo]

I'll keep my eye on this thread since there is a renewed interest in Shadow Squadron and I want to a) make sure the implementation of the squadron into Imperial activities wont be stepping on anyone's toes, and b) discover how the Empire will continue in the reset: will it become splintered or will it remain strong? I am personally hoping the latter option as opposed to the former, since the splintering happened in the old roleplaying story arc and this new arc is about making things fresh. What are your thoughts, guys?

If any of you Imperial guys have any ideas, suggestions or recommendations for Shadow Squadron, please speak up, I'd only be too happy to recieve advice from Imperial veterans. :)

[Tiberius Anar]

Thank you both.

Droo. This thread is intended to give some idea of who will be involved with the Empire in future and, based upon the ideas of those people, what direction it will be heading in during the course of the coming fun and frolics (oh I am sorry that should read "war and strife")

[Tear]

I'll be retaining my role in the Empire but with a slight twist added to by backstory. Im also going to melding more in the command structure. Tear needs more powah!:p

so watch your back you sneaky politician..

[Tiberius Anar]

I sense a challenge! Would you mind copying your post about Tear from OOC to here, for the sake of easy reference?

[Lady Vader]

Well, lesse... if you're going to need to rebuild Shadow Squadron due to the fatermath of Endor, then you've got the support of the Corellian shipyards.

[Khendon Sevon]

Khendon won't be an Imperial. Expect mystery and deception to follow. More information to come as it flows ;)

[Tiberius Anar]

Oh my!

Sad to hear this, though very pleased you are being adventurous. This new Galaxy promises not to disappoint.

Any chance of tempting you to do an Imp on the side?

*Anticipates all jokes that could stem from that and does NOT. FIND. THEM. FUNNY.*

[Khendon Sevon]

It's possible. Khendon will be doing a bit of fleeting—limited to one capital ship with escorts. So, having another character that does large scale, traditional fleeting might be fun.

[Ishan Shade]

I'd like to incorporate Ishan into the Empire somehow.

I was possibly thinking something along the lines of since he owns his own weapons manufacturing corporation, he had worked alongside the Empire all through its reign. He also had a business and somewhat personal relationship with Palpatine, but now with him dead he could try and vie for some of the power within the Empire itself. He has always been an exalted friend of the Empire.

Something along those lines...

[Tiberius Anar]

I'm sure that we can work something out.

[Ishan Shade]

exccccccceeelllleeennt. :evil

[Danik Drayton]

Just a post to say a few things.

Firstly hello.

Secondly I was Colonel Danik Drayton Soveriegnty Army (still am I suppose until the changes take place) if no-one has any objections I would like to retain my position in the Imperial Army in whatever new form it takes.

Luckily for me there is probably little I need to change about my character to fit in the new storyline, so everything I need to carry on is in place.

PS: As far as I know I am the highest ranking Imperial Army Rper apart from Jarek Tchort who is currently absent. If anyone has any ideas or questions etc Id be happy to handle the army for now, and hand on anything I have done to Jarek on his return

[Navaria Tarkin]

Anar :) I saw you mention Miranda in your post about cooridinating with the Moffs, and then I realized.. oh yeah o_O She's an Imperial Politician... but the catch is she has only been an advisor to the local government and military because of the name :smokin

She has no -official- title unless the circumstances are dire for her to be bestowed one. Something to RP out perhaps? I personally dont care, but I figured to post in this thread to get the ball rolling with Miranda :)

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Consider all of Shadow Squadron part of the Empire. We need to be assigned a ship. Can we just name our own ISD and leave it at that?

We also have our own general to 'command' us. I think.

[Tiberius Anar]

Naming a destroyer will be fine. Make sure it is a good name though! No Petals, Pansy's or Flowers (There were British ships by those names during WWII. Long story)

And Navaria, thanks for reminding me about Mrianda's exact status. I have some ideas for how to get her into the political thick of things. When they are fully formed I'll let you know the details.

[Navaria Tarkin]

Awesome, I'll keep my eyes posted to this thread and my PM box as things progress.

[Telan Desaria]

Shadow Squadron - -I think it would be fitting if your host Destroyer was the Imperial II-class Star Destroyer Termagant.
- Termangant is a word that means a ferocious female warrior.
For a squadron, I would recommend having a Major or Colonel - -but if you want to be truly elite than you can have a Major-General who is both the squadonr commander and the commander of the Destroyer's six squadron compliment.

Danik - -you may retain your character. You also have another assignment. Find out where Jarek is - - he is a good friend and I have heard hide nor hair.

Tear - -welcome back also - -I look foward to rping with you.

Ishan - -welcome also.

As far as Desaria- - he wont be here. Telan Desaria was borned five yeasr after the battle of Endor. As to just what Im going to do Im not sure. I think im going to have an original Desaria as one of the Twelve (grand admirals) and have him make a clone copy of himself and give him a full maturation period thus being raised by a family in normal time. So Desaria we klnow now would still be such nd the one I rp would be the same, just at a different time.

Thoughts? cause thats the best I can do - -ive been batt;lling this one for a few days now.

[Dasquian Belargic]

you could just ... move Telan back in time (I don't mean literally, I just mean alter his background obviously), so that he wasn't born so late?

[Tiberius Anar]

Way I see it, the Desaria of the present boards will exist in the archives. The Desaria ypu rp will be a different incarnation in many ways, distinct and separate in his experiences though not his behaviour and motivations.

I say tweak this incarnation's past to make him a generation earlier. A rising star in the Imperial Navy, head hunted by the Imperial Navy from Centaur's own defence forces. That would make him 35 (or there abouts) and still offer his family history which is one of Desaira's interesting features. (Like I am doing with Anar, the academic turned politician instead of businessman turned politician. Same family history- just shuffled back a bit.)

As for Grand Admiral, difficult. At this stage there is a full coplement of Grand Admirals and the fleet is not so much a meritocracy at its height as it is later. Why not an Admiral serving in one of secotrs against the rebels, or as Piett's deputy who takes over control (we can say he still died when a fighter hit the Executor) you get your first battle big battle field leap and are ready for when the Grand Admirals start to make trouble or die (which is higly like as Anar and the "loyalists" do everything to hold things together).

That way we get Desaria. You get most of the high rank you have already earned and can quickly get the rest of the ranks courtesy of infighting, rebel attacks and general skulduggery. And if you take the position at Endor you get the bonus of all the fun of mopping up, too!

Whilst on this topic. I am thinking of how the first hours of the post-Palpatine empire will play out. I think, in the immediate panic his death will cause, the Empire ought to stick together out of fear of the rebels or that Palpatine is playing possum to weedle out dissenters. After a few weeks pass, everyone realises it is not the latter and starts to think about the future. At that point the fun would start as the more ambitious moffs, siths (where is Viscera btw?), industrialists, and new order grandees jostle for position all with an eye on the throne. Thoughts?

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Originally posted by Telan Desaria
Shadow Squadron - -I think it would be fitting if your host Destroyer was the Imperial II-class Star Destroyer Termagant.
- Termangant is a word that means a ferocious female warrior.
For a squadron, I would recommend having a Major or Colonel - -but if you want to be truly elite than you can have a Major-General who is both the squadonr commander and the commander of the Destroyer's six squadron compliment.

Sounds great to me. I've been bumbling around trying to figure out how to do the ranks but I don't know enough. Apparently the way Taylor had them set up before was a little improper.

[Teleran Balades]

*Tentatively,raises hand*

Um, I know that I'm off the active list for the Sov, but I still hold the rank of Rear Admiral, no? If there's a chance, I'd still like to support the empire, when I resigned, I didn't realize that Jarek and several other experienced Imps were AWOL before I was. I guess I feel guilty about leaving everyone hanging.

Is this the part where I crawl back on my hands and knees begging for the Grand Admiral's forgivness?

[Hunk]

With this reset I'll be stepping away from the force user rping a little and trying my hand at an imperial character. Capt. Tennison will be the officer nominally "in charge" of Shadow Squadron. But, in reality, they don't listen to him except when they want to, and his commanding officers only leave him in his position because no one else wants to deal with Shadow Squadron.

As far as his character goes, he's the classic "midde-management" type. He thinks he's far more important than he really is. He's conniving, but not really that smart and fairly oblivious. However, his loyalty to the Empire is as strong as anyone's in the galaxy. He grew up in the Star Wars equivelent of a right-wing, beer-swilling, flag-waving family and his parents were never more proud than when he enlisted with the Navy.

[Tiberius Anar]

What an intriguing idea for an Imperial officer. I like it! Lends depth and realsim to our armed forces.

And Teleran, no need for grovelling etc. You were good enough to give us reasons and notice of your departure. If you want to come back that is fine, if not that is also fine. (Obviously we would love the former to occur but hey!) There is no obligation or anything like that hanging over your head.

If you come back, bear in mind the necessity of tweeking your charcter fit in to an immediately post ROTJ timeline. This may be especially difficult for you since Teleran is, if I recall correctly, a defector from the NR. I'm sure you are inventive enough to manage that.

And yes you are still a Rear-Admiral in this time line if you so choose, so long as it is acceptable under the common sense rule. (i.e. He can't be too young or under experienced.) If you can't work it under common sense we'll have to start you as a line-captain or similar. But once we get under way the attrition of war will open up holes in the flag ranks which experienced line-captains will be expected to fill.

[Khendon Sevon]

Hmm… if I used Khendon, I don’t know how his rank would “traditionally” work. He’s higher than a Grand Moff and higher than a Grand Admiral. (Technically he would be Vice-Emperor, but I don’t like that title and it doesn’t seem right that an emperor would have a vice-emperor).

So, I’m thinking for this reset he’ll have a completely new rank. An office officially made by the Emperor as a place for Khendon’s talents. Maybe something along the lines of “Grand Partisan.” (doesn’t sound evil enough, though… need to keep thinking)

Since he’s a Dark Jedi with an in-depth understanding of technology and advanced military tactics, I’m thinking his job could have been to hunt down traitors to the Empire. His targets could’ve ranged from Jedi in hiding to rebellious star systems—justifying his ranks ability to supersede navy officers of significant rank.

He was definitely at the battle of Endor, though I don’t know if he was on a commando mission or simply leading a task force of star destroyers. I’d say he blames himself for the Emperor’s death and believes he should’ve been aboard the Death Star.

So, he’ll start out fervently in support of keeping the Empire together. Additionally, I’m thinking he’ll bring his position to light right away and try to exert some sort of control as he calls in his units from around the Empire to support his vie for power (or support for another individual's vie)—they would consist of units similar in style to the Federacy’s Stormguard, just, a bit less. His star destroyers would be traditional—the Federacy’s ship tech will be put on the back burner for now, but their hand-to-hand, small arms, and neural stuff I’d like to see remain.

Any comments? Ideas? Flames? Suggestions?

What rank is higher than Grand Admiral/Grand Moff?

[Tiberius Anar]

Well that is a hell of a change from not being an Imeprial! But I have an idea. (Gasp surprise!)

If I recall correctly there was the suggestion on the Star Wars Technical Commentaries that there existed a rank of Executor or Imperial Proxy. This was held by the Emperor's most loyal and trusted servants when he needed them to have authority over others. The example that they put forwards was Vader. He had a roving brief searching for the Rebels, the fulfillment of which required that he have authority over Moffs etc.

Could Khendon be one of these Executors/Proxies? Lower down than Vader but fulfilling a similar function (e.g. hunting Jedi or taking over the search for rebel bases from Vader when he takes the fleet to Endor?)

This would make you a very high chappie in the heirarchy.- though not so high as to make you "Vice-Emperor" (remembering that Vice-Diktat is something that came out of the old timeline and its events). You would be somewhere in the grey space between the Emperor and the Moffs that is occupied by people like Isard, Pestage and so forth in EU or Anar in the set up that is forming.

[Khendon Sevon]

Bravo, Tiberius! Executor's perfect!

[Tiberius Anar]

I aim to please. Where will Khendon and what will he be doing? Personally I would like to see him as Jedi-Hunter-In-Chief, so he can come racing back to Coruscant.

Tomorrow I shall pen the beginning to an RP to cover the first few hours post-Emperor's death. In it we shall establish our character's postions and so forth. That sound ok?

[Zharoel Ankhta]

I guess I could play this one of two ways.

Have my character be with the NR, a few months out of Command Schools as an Lt. Commander, or skew the relative age a bit and have him serve under on the the imperial admirals just after defecting...while under the scrutiny of the Inquisitoriate of course.

Hmm...against the empire, man that would be a big change. I don't think that's a very good option, seeing as how there are very few Imp Capital Ship commanders active at the moment (I could still NPC and admiral or what-not as need, methinks )

P.S. Darn it, wrong account. Teleran here, this is a sith character I finally got around to using.

[Khendon Sevon]

I'm thinking Khendon would've been at the battle at Endor, maybe commanding a couple star destroyers. With the sudden void left by the Emperor's death he will race to Coruscant with his primary vessel (maybe the Death Advocate or Crimson Wake), leaving behind any vessels he had temporarily taken command of.

[Darth Viscera]

Apparently we should restructure the imp forums. I believe this would involve archiving the ImpFed and ImpSov subforums, then deleting them from the main (main = not archive) imp forums, and deleting the link to the balmorran empire. I think we need Khendon's, Telan's and Taylor's permission before going through with this.

At least, I think that's how it works.

[Khendon Sevon]

You have my permission.

[Dasquian Belargic]

Taylor isn't really here, IC or OOC, and hasn't been for a while. Sooo getting his permission seems somewhat pointless? And it's going to stall the whole process unnecessarily.

[Telan Desaria]

I will vouch for Taylor - - and you have the Sovereignty's permissionas well - -just keep our R and Ds.

Desaria will fight at Endor - -finally. I have thought of it. Mopre on this later.

SS - ranks have been filled/charted - -check the Sovereignty forum for a complete list.

[Tiberius Anar]

Originally posted by Khendon Sevon
I'm thinking Khendon would've been at the battle at Endor, maybe commanding a couple star destroyers. With the sudden void left by the Emperor's death he will race to Coruscant with his primary vessel (maybe the Death Advocate or Crimson Wake), leaving behind any vessels he had temporarily taken command of.

Ok. But what role would Khendon have- I mean is he Jedi-Hunter-In-Chief or something else? Just for the sake of completeness.

Viscera- any chance we might be seeing you joining the Empire?

[Khendon Sevon]

Well, his job is to kill traitors, even if they don't directly show themselves as traitors. As such, he hunts Jedi and rebel generals with equal vigor--if not different gear.

[Telan Desaria]

Jedi Hunter in Chief is the Grand Inquisitor - -one of thtree most powerful men in the Empire. Only he, Grand Admiral Zaarin, and Palpatine had a lambda-class Shuttle equipped with a cloaking device,

[Tear]

Just so you all know Tears gonna be vie for some sort of power in the Empire. Probably some position like grand Inquisitor where i can scheme and go undisputed in some areas :p

Hopefully ill get to kill someone to get there.

[XI-20-P]

The idea in the OOC forum right now concerning the Project Nightmare sounds like something Khendon would be highly interested in, given his job interests you just listed :-p This is Ulrhik Godsend, Colonel and Shadow Six of Shadow Squadron.

An interesting rivalry between Tear and Khendon maybe as Khendon is the Grand Inquisitor? Or maybe that Tear is Grand Inquisitor and Khendon is an Executor who thinks Tear isn't good enough at his job and uses Project Nightmare to do what Tear does but better? This isn't really anything to take note of, just ideas I thought of while reading your most recent posts.

[Adia Issoris]

I'm not exactly sure where I'll end up. :)

Honestly, wouldn't it be best to let the forums evolve differently and drop any current loyalties? No one really knows who is going to run the Empire now, remember.

[General Dan]

Any need for a certain Darth Decepis in this man's Empire? >D

I imagine that after getting a black eye at Endor, there would be plenty of Imperial Moffs who wouldn't mind having a little bit of UNLIMITED POWER at work for them :)

[XI-20-P]

I agree with Adia about the loyalties being reconfigured. I think this should seriously be taken into consideration as characters are devised.

[Kieran Devaneaux]

Would the cloning technology that created Demon-Kieran still be applicable here? If so, where would I put him? He was in the Inquisitorate before the reset....

[Khendon Sevon]

Originally posted by XI-20-P
An interesting rivalry between Tear and Khendon maybe as Khendon is the Grand Inquisitor? Or maybe that Tear is Grand Inquisitor and Khendon is an Executor who thinks Tear isn't good enough at his job and uses Project Nightmare to do what Tear does but better?

No comment.

Project Nightmare sounds interesting. It's basically what Khendon does. However, I'm going to leave my Stormguardsmen NPC'd.

The Empire always has room for more guys with guns. Always.

[Tear]

Khendon and I have a natural tendency to get at each others throats im sure rivalrys will evolve naturally..

Kieran i dont think the cloning thing will be a problem. They the clone wars did happen so logically cloning tech should be hanging around somewhere. Feel free to retain your position in the Inquisitoriate. I could always use your help.

Charley we should talk :evil

[Tiberius Anar]

Adia- are you joining us? An Emperor's Hand would be an interesting addition.

Charely- Darth Deceptis can be part ofn the Empire proper or of The Sith Order which is being set up as a secret organisation waiting ot take over, I beleive. If you join the Empire in what capacity will it be?

Tear- I can see only one reason for you not being Grand Inquisitor and that is that R. S. Esalis is already at that rank. Of course she might not be in this tineline and she has been inacitve for some time. Just I thought I'd flag that up. If you want it you've got it suppose, barring any objections. Conflict with Khendon sounds good.

As to who will be running the Empire. In the immediate aftermath it will be ad hoc as the various powerful figures align themselves and sixe up the situation. After that people will probably start making moves to succeed or cecede. How that goes is up to the RP.

[Tiberius Anar]

Here is the thread to get the big picture formed.

http://www.sw-fans.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38499

The intention is to show the reaction of various people to the news and what they do. A post a piece, or more if it feels necessary. I shall probably pad it out with the reactions of a Moff or two, perhaps the being on the street view.

[Adia Issoris]

Adia- are you joining us? An Emperor's Hand would be an interesting additionAdia is loyal to the Empire.


Kerian, cloning tech is really really difficult to come across right now. So close to the Battle of Endor, I'd say it doesn't make the most sense.

[Tiberius Anar]

Good oh. Work out some ideas and post here so we all know where she fits in.

[Telan Desaria]

Ive figured it out.

Telan Desaria, a son of Centaur of former member of its Navy, is picked by the Imperial Navy to transfer into the ranks of the regulars shortly after his twentieth birthday. He rises through the ranks rapidly and quickly gains suspicion from COMPNOR, ISB, the Inquisitoriate, and even the head of Imperial Intelligence Armand Isard at the urging of his daughter, Ysanne. His loyalties are unquestionable and his motvie the greater glory of the Empire -- for those who have built careers on distrust and ruthless ambition, he sounds too good to be true.

At the time of the Battle of Endor, Desaria has risen too the rank of Rear Admiral and commands Task Force 120, a unit operating in the Alfaz Sector and battling a daring Rebel general who has caused nothing but trouble for the Empire. He has met with a great deal of success and just before the Battle, he receives a transmission from the Emperor promoting him to Admiral, bypassing the rank of Vice-Admiral all together, but the tranmission is cut short by the arrival of Lord Vader who with him brings a young boy as a prisoner.

[Khendon Sevon]

Originally posted by Adia Issoris
Kerian, cloning tech is really really difficult to come across right now. So close to the Battle of Endor, I'd say it doesn't make the most sense.

Well, I think it would be plausible given the time it would take for him to reach his current age. As such, his creation wouldn't be happening around Endor...

unless he's an uber-fast-growing clone?

[Tiberius Anar]

Telan- gla to see you have it worked out at last.

Let's not get bogged down in the minutiae of cloning technology. I am sure there is a way for it to be made to work.

[Darth Decepis]

Originally posted by Tiberius Anar
Charely- Darth Deceptis can be part ofn the Empire proper or of The Sith Order which is being set up as a secret organisation waiting ot take over, I beleive. If you join the Empire in what capacity will it be?


RE: The Sith Order - Do not mention that stunted slime in my presence again. The ancient order of Sith are not something to be placed on business cards and ensconced on a planet like so many politicians. I will have nothing to do with those fools. They know nothing of the ways of the Sith.

My role in your Empire will be as your personal advisor. You needn't concern yourself with titles or alottments. In exchange for your reasonable cooperation in my own affairs, I will strengthen and imbue your Empire through the unnatural gifts of battle meditation. The glory and the praise of the Empire's rebirth shall be yours my friend.

[Vega Van-Derveld]

Originally posted by Darth Decepis
RE: The Sith Order - Do not mention that stunted slime in my presence again. The ancient order of Sith are not something to be placed on business cards and ensconced on a planet like so many politicians. I will have nothing to do with those fools. They know nothing of the ways of the Sith.

My role in your Empire will be as your personal advisor. You needn't concern yourself with titles or alottments. In exchange for your reasonable cooperation in my own affairs, I will strengthen and imbue your Empire through the unnatural gifts of battle meditation. The glory and the praise of the Empire's rebirth shall be yours my friend.

I like this mans style.

[Bette Davis]

Shadow Squadron, after a nearly aborted first start, is getting together in their first RP. :)

And I welcome all snide comments about women in uniform. After all, this IS the Empire. :D

[Aliya Vahlshalynn]

And I welcome all snide comments about women in uniform. After all, this IS the Empire.

quoted for emphasis :D

[Adia Issoris]

Making snide comments about me would be... unwise. :evil

[Khendon Sevon]

Snide comments? As long as the uniform emphasizes form and remains functional ;) I'm happy to have you all with us... is that snide? Meh.

Just remember, I’m your superior officer.

[Anbira Hicchoru]

Originally posted by Bette Davis
Shadow Squadron, after a nearly aborted first start, is getting together in their first RP. :)

And I welcome all snide comments about women in uniform. After all, this IS the Empire. :D

I propose a name change from "Shadow Squadron" to "The O.C. ...in space."

:)

[Tiberius Anar]

*face palm*

I despair.

Anyhoo- to recap so far. Who is who, doing what and where:

Tiberius Anar- Imperial Chancellor- holding things together- Coruscant.

Khendon Sevon- Imperial Executor- assigned to hunt out traitors and Jedi- Endor

Telan Desaria- Admiral- assuming command of Vader's fleet- Endor

Miranda Tarkin- Civillian- advising government- Coruscant.

Tear- Grand Inquisitor- heading up Imperial security services- ?

Javus Parr- Military Administrator- liason with Sith Order- Corellia

Adia Issoris- Emperor's Hand- ?- ?

Danik Drayton- Army Colonel- ?- ?

Shadow Squaron (8 players)- Various ranks- engaging Rebel scum- Endor

Karl Valten- Inquisitor- supervising Project Nightmare- ?

Teleran Balades- Navy Officer (rank to be decided)- commanding capital ship- ?

Darth Decepis- Dark Lord of the Sith- interfering with Imperial politics- location hidden.

Ishan Shade- industrialist- interfering with Imperial politics- ?

People, please, supply information to fill in for the question marks. I like a complete list.

Have I missed anyone or anything out? Any mistakes?

[Anbira Hicchoru]

Darth Decepis is the Dark Lord of the Sith, not a Dark Jedi.

[Tiberius Anar]

He calls himslef that, but Darth Sidious aka Palpatine did too. He also started a Sith Order. Since Decepis chooses not to associate with that Sith Order and since Palpatine was Emperor, Imperials won't regard Decepis as Dark Lord of the Sith. Although IC we will pander to his ego by using the title. Plus it saves OOC confusion to make the distinction between official TSO characters and other force users on the dark side.

On that note, has anyone got comments on Decepis. I am not an expert on force matters so cannot say one way or the other whether the idea is acceptable/practical/workable one. I need input!

[Anbira Hicchoru]

what.

Decepis was scribe of the texts in the court of Darth Plagueis the wise. He follows the original teachings of Bane, which TSO does not. Why would Palpatine, who holds true to the teachings of Bane as well, create something so absolutely contrary to the Sith religion as the Sith Order, unless it was to act as a farce in which to control other adepts?

The distinction between a Sith and a Dark Jedi is an incredibly wide one.

[Khendon Sevon]

Not quite sure about TSO's exact reasons or how they envision Palpatine having made them. I believe the ball is in their court for that one.

[Navaria Tarkin]

they are not made by Palpatine at all.. read Lady Vader's post on how the TSO was formed in the Character Discussion! :)

[Tiberius Anar]

Have read the post (thaks Navaria, again!) and here is where I got my information from:


Originally posted by Lady Vader
Anyways, I'm going to tie him losely to TSO, mostly because TSO was set up by Palpatine on Corellia and then later moved to Korriban. The only ones that had knowledge of this to secure secrecy of TSO were Palpatine, Vader, and Javus. Now with Palpatine and Vader dead, Javus is the only one that knows of TSO's existance and where it is based. He can be a mediator between the Empire and these Sith.

Javus is extremely loyal to the Empire and Emperor (Sith as well), and with the Emperor now gone, he has taken it upon himself to continue to oversee dealings on Corellia and maintain order there, while also supplying TSO with information.

He feels that these chosen Sith by Palpatine, along with the stability of the Empire, are the ones that can thwart and crush the Rebellion and what Jedi still remain.



I fear that there may be some confusion. Lady V. a little clarification please.

[Anbira Hicchoru]

That's great and everything, but it makes no sense at all for Palpatine to set up an entire sect (ie, more than two) of Sith, when essentially a Sith tries to limit access to the teachings and the power that keep them in control.

Decepis got where he got because he stole the teachings of Plagueis and transcribed them for himself, and then fled into hiding when Sidious usurped his master.

I can totally see TSO being formed by some form of treachery such as this, but saying it was sponsored by Palpy just doesn't make a whit of sense if you understand the Emperor's motives.

Not that it makes a bit of difference here. There is nothing to keep multiple sects of the Sith from existing, no matter how much they might be bent on destroying one another.

[Navaria Tarkin]

oh! that would cause confusion. No wonder ... maybe she posted this before she redid TSO's history?

[Dasquian Belargic]

Originally posted by Navaria Tarkin
oh! that would cause confusion. No wonder ... maybe she posted this before she redid TSO's history?

I think that is the case, yes

[Karl Valten]

I don't think Project Nightmare is getting that much interest, I only have one person who's PMed me about it. But then again it's memorial day weekend and all lot of people in the States haven't logged on.

[Teleran Balades]

Alright, I'm willing to drop my rank down to a Senior Commander (one step below captain) as per the idea the Tiberious came up with. I still would like to NPC higher ranking officers.

I had a thought, if you want to have the Inquisitorate on your back and not have to go to the trouble of explaining your defection how about this for an idea? A close relative of Teleran's brother or cousin was a rebel spy. On the night he was uncovered he visited Teleran and ever since the Inquistorate have suspected him. After all how could he remain loyal after they took away someone so dear?

As for a command, I assume that we will dropping some tech because of the time line change so here's the request.

ISD2 Aklay (Flagship of combat group; Not Teleran's ship; will be destroyed at Endor.)

Modified Carrack-class cruiser Mindflayer (Tel's command ship for the duration for this arc)

A pair of gunship's (Magrider and Thresher)
and a Lancer-class anti-starfighter cruiser Osiris

Except for the ISD2 I'd like the ships around for the majority of this arc

[Tal Kellison]

I've nominally set Kellison's rank as Captain. and in command of the ISD Termagant. He'll mainly be a semi-comic foil for Shadow Squadron.

If anyone has an objection, I'll gladly demote him to something else.

[Adia Issoris]

I'm going to not post for a few days until I figure out where I am and what I'm doing :)

[Teleran Balades]

I've nominally set Kellison's rank as Captain. and in command of the ISD Termagant. He'll mainly be a semi-comic foil for Shadow Squadron.

Keep it at Captain or move it a step higher to Line-Captain. If you drop it my character will outrank him.:D

[Bette Davis]

Originally posted by Lilaena De'Ville
Shadow Leader - Flight Commander ________ (NPC right now)
Shadow Two - Flight Commander Val "Razor" Torre
Shadow Three -. Flight Commander Bette "Shooter" Davis
Shadow Four - Lieutenant Jill "Stilletto" Chambers
Shadow Five - Lieutenant Jason "Outcast" Dreggs
Shadow Six - Colonel Ulrhik "Dragon" Godsend
Shadow Seven - Colonel Sango "Frack" Kariudo
Shadow Eight - Colonel Zachariah "Jackal" Jak'el
Shadow Nine - Captain Aliya "Chipper" Vahlshalynn
Shadow Ten - Lieutenant Vance "Ripper" Emmerick (NPC) / 1st Lieutenant Tannis "Iceman" V'larr
Shadow Eleven -. Lieutenant Raan "Rails" Hapes (NPC)
Shadow Twelve - Colonel Tod "Maniac" Marr (NPC)

Commanding Officer: Captain Tal "Lucky" Kellison
Recon Scout: Taijin "Nomad" Daece

Shadow Squadron is based out of the ISD II Termagant

Wing 1
Shadow Leader
Shadow Four
Shadow Eleven (NPC)
Shadow Seven

Wing 2
Shadow Two
Shadow Twelve (NPC)
Shadow Five
Shadow Nine

Wing 3
Shadow Three
Shadow Ten (NPC)
Shadow Eight
Shadow Six

The current roster. We would appreciate our own little forum to complain about cafeteria food in. "Shadow Squadron Command" would do just fine (for mostly OOC).

oh and i need a new CT.

[Tear]

As it stands now Tear will be taking the position of Grand Inquisitor. Self declared of course.

and if R. S. Esalis comes back she can fight me for it. That goes for the rest of you. Especially you Tib, will your character have a family in this story arc?:D Dont worry ill hand pick your body guards....

As for what the Inquisitoriate heads up. Im pretty sure its all Imperial Intelligence services and Internal security matters. I think it governs all force sensitives issues within and abroad the Empire. Im not positive on that though.

I'll make a post in the thread by the end of the week.

[Tiberius Anar]

As I read it the Grand Inquisitor is head of the Inquisitorate- a monolithic organisation established to maintain ideological orthodoxy. They hunt out dissenters and "re-educate" them. If they don't take to their lessons the Inquisitors execute them. They are the ones who "disappear" people at 3am and expunge them from the public record. Jedi, Alien protectors, Rebel supporters, dissenters and free thinkers they are the targets of the Inquisitorate. They are dark shadow that hangs over the citizens of the Empire, always watching them. They are the dark arm of the New Order, the Emperor's enforcers.

A forum for Shadow Squadron? I am not sure about that sort of thing. Anyone know how that is worked and if so, can it be worked?

Teleran- I have pm'ed you with a further thought. I think you can stay as a Line-Captain you want it. You have earned the rank. Will anyone mind if he NPC's the odd admiral?

Tal- Captain is probably about right. Higher and he'd probably not be the sort for a comic foil. Lower and command of a Stardestroyer would be unlikely.

I'll try and clear up this Sith confusion. Anything else?

[Lilaena De'Ville]

the administration would have to rearrange the forums for you - you'd need to figure out how many you want and what they should be called, then PM Sw-fans.Net.

Getting a board mod involved is a good idea too. :)

[Telan Desaria]

I am a board mod - -opr rather the old ImpSov board mod.

Telan Desaria will be commanding officer of the Imperial II-class Star Destroyer Kolatharon. His ship will be the command ship of the right flank squadron - 10 Destroyers. For those of you rewatching Ep VI - when looking out of the Falcon's cockpit, it will be the grouping of Destroyers on the left.

After the Destruction of the Executor Desaria will assume command and make Pelleaon his second officer, commanding the centre, with Rear Admiral Teradoc commanding the left. The Rebels will conduct a retreat with the Emperor dead and their attack on the Death Star foiled but crippled, and we will pursue. At that point, we will disperse the fleet, leaving half at Endor to protect the Imperial garrison on the station, while the other half chases the Rebels whereve they can.

Admiral Teradoc, unwilling to take orders from pelleaon whom I have more faith in, departs to become a warlord - -I decide to deal with him later. As things go on, I find myself linked with the command of Grand Admiral Il-Raz who is more fanatical than Desaria and plunges his shuttle into the Denarii Nova, allowing Desaria to assume his rank (and thus me a member of the twelve) and take his flagship, the SSD Vengeance.



I would like to begin the rping of the fleet action and withdrawal of the Rebel Fleet, thus introducing Desaria and his command. I need a few Imps and some Rebels who are interested. Lion - contact me!!!

Any one at all?

BTW - -am I assuming military command of the Empire? I dont want to sound pompous, but as for regular battleship slugfests I mean. Since Khendon will be doing grandiose things Im sure that wont affect regular line officers.

I also want to make Isard an enemy. I can npc her, yes?

BTW 0- -cant wait until the Rebels make their lunge for the Core. TakeBrentaal on my watch, you will not....hehehe

[Tiberius Anar]

We are not involving the EU characters if at all possible. Terradoc, Pellaeon and Isard are out of the question I am afraid. This is a differnt time line where things happen differently. Get on Yahoo please.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

We can't really use them in RPs because they are copyrighted characters.

[Loklorien s'Ilancy]

Originally posted by SWFans.net
I would very much appreciate that characters used here are original to their own respective authors (created by the poster), not borrowed from other authors.

[Telan Desaria]

Oh well hell. That totally rpis the fun right out it. Verdampt.

Very well.

[Teleran Balades]

Yeah, the über-paranoid authors'll do that to ya.

I did wish that we could have at least NPCed Isard, but ot heck with it. Tear's our Intel spook.

[Lady Vader]

Anar -

Per your request to clear things up about TSO...

Please see LV's bio HERE (http://www.sw-fans.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38572). That will explain how TSO came into being.

:)

[Tiberius Anar]

So a (potentially) allied organisation as a opposed to a branch of the Empire. That is much clearer thank you. And so we can safely say Decepis can take whatever title he likes and the Empire can accept it. Everyone happy?

[Anbira Hicchoru]

Works for me :)

[Tiberius Anar]

Good. Will edit accordingly.

[Lady Vader]

So a (potentially) allied organisation as a opposed to a branch of the Empire.

Precisely. :)

[Telan Desaria]

Ok - -Ive rethought.

Comment on this one.;

Admiral Telan Desaria, promoted as per the post above, assumes command after the death of Admiral Piett and the destruction of the Executor. Even through superb tactics, the lack of smaller support vessels allows the Alliance to make off with two or three Imperial-class Star Destroyers.

Afterwards, Desaria makes his reputation leading what will become known as the Light Squadron - a force of Six ISD IIs that acquires some smaller ships as support in their vigorous hunt for the Rebels - so known for their uncanny abililty to fight, disengage, and fight again, forgeoing the usual lethargy of Imperial operations.

Desaria finds himself for a time in the company of Grand Admiral Il-Raz, a member of the Twelve. Il-Raz is defeated by a former Imperial turned Rebel at the Battle of Ord Biniir (Ill rp this one as well in the future) and commits suicide. Desaria is promoted by High Command to fill his void.

This Desaria will be a Centaurian Baron, wed to his boyhood sweetheart Arian, and father of three (clone) children, all three in the Imperial Military,. His brother Vinjent is a Major-General in the Imperial Army.

As the time at Endor dawns, he will be 41, his birthday only two days before.

[Tiberius Anar]

This Light Squadron thing sounds cool. Play it out and we'll see what comes of it. Will depend largely upon how the whole governmental side develops just how he gets promotion.

As for Il-Raz. If he is EU, it will need care. It will be better if we only reference his death rather than rp it. The hole appears in the ranks and, in order to boost morale a distinguished warrior is promoted. A slight modification, yes, but a necessary one I feel.

[Telan Desaria]

No--Il Raz was only mentioned once in filler text in the Essential Chronology - -he was never rped or eve interacted with any EU character in any book, novel, movie, screenplay, comic strip, or illustrated story/

Thank you. Acceptable then?

[Darth Viscera]

Darth Viscera will be Khendon Sevon's master (and khendon will be his apprentice, it's a 2-sith thing ala the movies) and the leader of the empire. He'll be out to prevent the Empire from fragmenting into little mini-empires, and one of the first things he does will be to attack the rebels at Mon Calamari, hence my post in StratCom.

I still haven't worked out DV's past (or is it present?) in detail, though I suppose he could have been one of the Emperor's adepts on Byss just like last time.


you have the Sovereignty's permissionas well - -just keep our R and Ds.

Do you have an objection to the ImpSov R&Ds being archived with the rest of ImpSov?

[Tiberius Anar]

Telan, unless anyone objects that sounds fine.

Viscera- I am glad that you are coming back into rping. If I might, however, I would like to make a suggestion.

Being leader of the Empire is fine, but I would really rather that we RP'ed it out. I am looking forward to a long running plot as the various leader-type (Viscera, Sevon, Anar and so on) jostled for position. Working together at first, as an uneasy alliance of authorities and eventually resolving themselves into a system of government that, eventually, breaks down leading one of them to assume the throne. Much more fun even if the result is a foregone conclusion.

As for the attack on the Mon Calamari, it sounds a good idea. Just what an angry Empire would do in revenge for the death of the Emperor. If Viscera turns up on Coruscant (in When Rulers Die...) and basically announces to Anar that he is going to be taking a fleet out to punish the prime movers in the attack on the Death Star it would make a suitibly dramatic opening to the renewed war and a very nice start to the political jockeying I mentioned above.

Which reminds me, I am expecting LV to post as Javus Parr next.

[Adia Issoris]

For my first thread I'm going to be hunting a Jedi on some backwater. ;)

[Darth Viscera]

Well, Sevon is Visc's apprentice. There wouldn't be any jostling for leadership between Sevon and Visc at this point. Now, if you want to have Anar jostle for power against Visc and Sevon, go right ahead, but I'm using my option to maintain my current rank of leader of the empire post-reset. That means that Anar wouldn't have as much power as Visc, which means that if you want to tangle with him for the position of top hat, you'd have to RP that you're doing so at a great disadvantage rather than two guys on equal footing both with about the same share to the throne.

IC, if you were to propose to Visc that you share power with him, he'd probably throw you out the window of 500 Republica and bet a credit on who hit the ground first, you or Sate Pestage, and ask Khendon to take a speeder down to check.

As for RPing it out, I'm doing that just now, with DV fighting his way off of Byss and heading to Imperial Center toot sweet with blood on his mind. It's in the storytelling forum, but if you want to take part in it, we can definitely work something in.

[Bette Davis]

Viscera - you were backed to become the Diktat again pre-reset, but unfortunately that didn't result in ...er... anything at all.

Anar's thread was first, you should join it, not the other way around. Walking over the existing Imperials isn't a very solid foundation to build an Empire on.

[Darth Viscera]

yeah well, IRL sucks that way, doesn't it.

Sorry, still not giving up Visc, still keeping my character at his old rank.

"walking over the existing imperials" :rolleyes

[Javus Parr]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't we given the choice of keeping our existing ranks with our characters to be carried over into this storyarc?

If so, then Visc has the right to keep his rank.


Anar - I'm assuming by posting you mean the thread in the RP forum started by yourself?

[Bette Davis]

Viscera, i'm sure you'll have a lot of fun RPing by yourself. :)

Quite frankly, your attitude stinks. Yes, I backed you to be Diktat again previously, and even FOUGHT for it.

But now - no. Sorry. Your attitude stinks, and I fail to see any sign of appreciation for what other people have done for you in the past, or now. Or an appreciation for the other RPers who comprise the Empire and who have been doing a fine job of it in the years you've not been RPing.

[Morgan Evanar]

Originally posted by Bette Davis
Viscera, i'm sure you'll have a lot of fun RPing by yourself. :)

Quite frankly, your attitude stinks. Yes, I backed you to be Diktat again previously, and even FOUGHT for it.

But now - no. Sorry. Your attitude stinks, and I fail to see any sign of appreciation for what other people have done for you in the past, or now. Or an appreciation for the other RPers who comprise the Empire and who have been doing a fine job of it in the years you've not been RPing.

[Darth Viscera]

I really wish you'd stop ending all those horrible sentences with smiley faces. Every time you make a post, it's like you absolutely must include a sentence that is akin to "So, I heard you got cancer :)" in its level of personal attackitude and passive aggressive vitriol. People aren't stupid, you know. They can readily identify hostility when they see it, whether or not it's followed by a yellow smiley face.

Let's take a walk down memory lane. I waited for YEARS for the NR to become active so that we could do some RPs. I even started using an NR character, so that they'd have more RPers to draw on, so they could be a little more active. I was thrown out, of course, because people thought it was a conflict of interest, that I couldn't juggle 2 characters.

I've chewed on the bitter pill of patience a hell of a lot more than you have. Now I have 1 month of personal RL crisis at the most inopportune time, and it's "LOL VISC ISNT ACTIVE KICK HIM"? What? Well thanks for the sympathetic gesture, I guess.

Now, I have a high level of appreciation for what the other Imperial characters have done. I deeply appreciate what they've managed to accomplish, and I envy them their determination and their motivation, and I really do look forward to RPing with them in the future, because I think they're a great group of writers, and I think there's a lot of nice RPs on the horizon that will make for excellent reads due to the prevalence of such cats. My level of appreciation towards them, however, does not go so far that I would gladly allow my only character on swfans.net to be supplanted from the spot he's held for 5 years. If you want to interpret that as me being an intransigent, selfish buttmunch, go right ahead. I'd like to point out, however, that in every single instance that a person has had a problem with my attitude or with my RPing or with the way the Empire is doing things, be it a fleet audit or the changing of fleet rules, we've had a dialog, and I ended up acquiescing. I'm a very reasonable human being. I've just had a string of bad luck recently, and I would appreciate your patience.

[Danik Drayton]

I havnt been online for a week, i think, have been busy with exams etc. Am now back to date with the changes since last week.

Telan Im afraid that as to Jareks whereabouts im as stuck as you are.

Anar on the same subject, have we kept his possible return in mind, just thought that it would be best to keep a definite space ready.

As to my character I have changed very little accept of course when he was born, I am willing for him to be in any posting (except a desk job, you know how I hate desks), he will of course not have been at Endor, but will be closer to the core. His father (Navy) was in Daniks old, history killed in a battle long after Endor, but I believe that it would be obvious now for him to have been killed at Endor. I can Rp Danik being told this news soon.

Any thoughts would be welcome from anyone who has them.

[Travis North]

I've read most of this and believe I understand whats going on.

I'd like to remain playing this character and am quite alright with taking a shot to the rank. I would also like to keep him in the Starfighter Corp. and if there aren't any objections I'd like to join Shadow Squadron. (If I need to make a formal post about joining please direct me.) I'll also get to work on changing my character history accordingly. Overall I really just want to get back in the swing of things.

[Arya Ravenwing]

ack we have one more NPC we can waste to let you in to Shadow Squadron.

[Karl Valten]

Project Nightmare could use a pilot, but they work for the Inquisitorate.

[Travis North]

Is the Project Nightmare pilot job longterm? Aswell what would I have at my disposal?

[Karl Valten]

Project Nightmare is a kill team I'm trying to organize under Valten. And yes it would be longterm. Now that I think about it, it might not suit your character, it was only a thought on my part.

[Bette Davis]

Wait, are you an alien? (blue?)

[Travis North]

It's just one of my Imperial avatars, made it for Chiss day. (Which is somewhere in the Imperial Bar, I think). My character is based off of Baron Soontir Fel which he resembles. (A lot) A Thyferran, Human.

[Bette Davis]

Ok cool. So you want in as a shadow? Yes no? I have one more spot that an NPC is occupying, and then we have a full complement of 12 RPers. 14, actually, including our scout and commander.

[Travis North]

I'm in. Anything I need to do?

[Bette Davis]

Might want to check out our RP and figure out a way to participate. And you need a callsign. :)

[Karl Valten]

Oh ohoh, pick "paco" S'il would get a kick out of that.

[Travis North]

Travis "Paco" North. I like it.

[Telan Desaria]

I will be making my thread this evening


IS it ok if I post in with shadow Squadrons Post Script thread - -or should I start my own.

[Bette Davis]

It's fine. Try not to make the posts like novels though, we're trying to live in the intensity of the moment. :)

[Telan Desaria]

Oh well - -my intro was going to be indepoth - - I dont wanna interrupt

Ill make a new thrread then

[Tiberius Anar]

Telan- that was the plan in the first place, if you recall. We don't want to mix up the threads, especially since Shadow Squadron is mopping up after Endor and you are going to be fighting during Endor.

Danik- Don't worry about Jarek not having a place if he comes back, this is the Galactic Empire now. PLenty of posts avaliable for him to fill.

Your idea is to have your father die at Endor is a good one. If you want to go with it there is a thread I set up for the specific purpose of showing the personal and political aftermath of the Emperor's death. (As a nice twist he could be an officer implementing martial law when he gets the news.) The link is somewhere around here.

Karl- how is project nightmare progressing? If I remember correctly you were having difficulty recruiting people to it.

And now Viscera et al. This may take me a little while to sort out, kindly bear with me. (forgive third person references)

First off, Viscera is perfectly within his rights to want to be Diktat again. He earned the rank pre-reset and it was never taken away from him because Viscera simply "disappeared into the void" trying to beat the Vong. If he wishes to assert that right he can. However...

It cannot be the same as it was before. This is a different time line, so whilst we may retain rank our status and the way we beahve is going to be different.

For example, Anar in the old timeline was an ostentatious political leader basking in the limelight and wanting more visibility. In the new timeline he is a nearly faceless bureaucrat, overshadowed by the Emperor and quite happy to be so because that brings him power. He is a different Anar. The same must be so of all our characters.

Desaria, for example, is a father in this thread and has his love at his side. This will make him different from the single and somewhat broken-hearted Desaria of the old timeline. Also he is in an Empire where merit is not everything, but he will eventually rise to the highest post we expect. But the circumstances of his rise will make a difference to him, I am sure that Telan will agree, even if his fundamental character traits remain the same.

The rise of Viscera must be circumscribed by circumstance, I am sure that can be agreed. What are the circumstances? Well, if I have read his thread correctly thus far and what he has said about it, the circumstances are that Viscera is a major force user with an obscure status in the Empire. If he has been sequestered on Byss he will not have been at court, have a faction to support him, nor will he have th recognition of many. That will mean that he cannot swan into Imperial Centre and simply assume command, which I am sure is not his intention.

Instead it means that he must build a power base, easy enough with his force powers and prestige of being one of Palpatine’s own. This would take some time, although it would be jump started by leading a highly visible and highly successful offensive against Mon Calamari. But again it will not instantly equal instant dominance because he will have to contend with the various established figures of the Empire- the Grand Moff’s, certain eminent Moffs, rich businessbeings- and the monolithic and immeasurably complex Imperial bureaucracy all of whom have interests. (And a wily Chancellor!)

Then there is the law. Now this may seem silly to bring this up, but if there is anything that we can learn from Episode III it is that the Empire was founded on principles and is not simply about evil for evil’s sake. It rests upon the principles of security, justice, peace and order and so, by extention, will be full of people who have a concern for the legality of a situation. The constitution of the Empire is one in which the Senate has high status and that the sovereign is elected by it for life. Now this creates an interesting problem, one which I shall elaborate on IC, whereby the Imperials must replace an Emperor without reversing policy by re-establishing the Senate, giving power to the people or breaking the law by simply declaring an emperor. To do so would just fragment the Empire as those who are manically devoted to the rule of law refuse to recognise a new emperor as legitmate and those who sense an opportunity capitalise upon it.

What does all this have to do with Viscera and this whole problem? Quite simple:

One- He gain power overnight.

Two- He cannot gain it easily.

Three- He cannot gain it by force (slaughtering every moff who opposed him and every official who raised objections would be counterproductive because it would drive them to dissent and fragmentation and it is also “Un-Imperial” in its disregard for law)

Four- He can be Diktat.

How? Not quite so simple, but bear with me please. First off he gets a power base built up- admiring moffs, commanders who regard him as brilliant, those who fear him etc. Then he takes a hand in the re-establishment of security and order alongside the Moffs and Anar. After the Empire is stabilised, questions begin to be asked about the future direction that it will take- most notably who will lead it. The legal beagles of the Government figure out that making anyone emperor is impossible because there is not Senate, and a new post is proposed: that of Diktat. The Diktat will be elected by the Moff’s who are, in effect the Senate. With the support of his faction, some deal cutting and outright intimidation Viscera managed to get the Moffs to elect him to the Diktatship “for the duration, or until such time a solution can be found to the question of the succession.” From there on in Viscera is runing the Empire as Emperor in all but name.

[Telan Desaria]

Nicely done Tiberius as always.

Yes, Desaria will be the same honour bound wretch we have all come to expect but will have a slightly evil streak that enables him to do things differently since he is dealing with Rebels and not the Republic - - since the Republic soldiers were born into a government and they knew not what they did, he coiuld afford them the full rights of honour. Here, the Rebellions officers know they fight the pursuers of justice and order so he has no qualms with dispatching traitors and betrayers.

So still a seeker of glory yes. But one who shrieks at ordering the entire crew of a captured frigate - - - not any more.

But he will also win hearts and minds.....

[Tiberius Anar]

Just everyone knows, Miranda Tarkin and Anar are going to do a litteltalking in the thread. Unless a suitable opening in the conversation appears, please wait until they are finished before posting.

[Miranda Tarkin]

Don't make me destroy you..

;)

Also, regarding Visc leadership... I like the plan that Anar proposed and agree that his position needs to be RPed out to make sense. The circumstances are different and if everyone in the Empire is good with, run with the suggestion Anar has set in place.

[Telan Desaria]

For the Battle-proper of Endor,. the thread has begun.

The Bayard of the Empire

this will be the direct fleet action - -Lion - -others - - enjoy.

[Darth Viscera]

Anar, what you're suggesting is that I start my character off at the very bottom of the barrel, and gradually claw my way to the top. Meanwhile, everyone else is starting off already at the top. I've already clawed my way to the top, 5 years ago.

The reset indicated that I could keep my rank, and now you're suggesting that I accept the world's biggest demotion, and scrap around the galaxy for years adhering to bizarre rules about how a Sith Knight / Diktat shouldn't kill Imperial officer NPCs for some reason. You might as well say "Ok, I know you're a Sith, but I'd prefer it if you didn't manipulate events to your advantage with the intention that one day all will proceed as you have foreseen and you will command the galaxy." These restrictions you're suggesting are just unreasonable.

[Miranda Tarkin]

But it makes no sense for anyone to assume power right away from the void that Palpatine left. You still retain your rank through RP. The scenario is different now and Anar has a good compromise of how you will became leader of the Empire again.

If you have a better idea then say it, but honestly, I am magically leader of the Empire not hours from Palpatine's death makes little sense as well.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

For another thing - how do you justify being a Sith right underneath the collective noses of Palpatine and/or Vader? (same goes for other Imperials who haven't explained)

[Darth Viscera]

What?

When did I say that I wanted to assume power right away following Palpatine's death? That's insane, but the other alternative, starting right at the very bottom, is equally insane, it's just way on the exact other end of the "let's make up crazy ideas" insanity spectrum.

I really don't see why you guys are so opposed to my idea. What's wrong with taking out Ysanne Isard and Sate Pestage from the very getgo, thereby opening up the idea of resolving the matter of leadership to be dealt with at a later time, and then going to war with the rebels?

[Darth Viscera]

Originally posted by Lilaena De'Ville
For another thing - how do you justify being a Sith right underneath the collective noses of Palpatine and/or Vader? (same goes for other Imperials who haven't explained)

I can justify being one of Emperor Palpatine's dark adepts on Byss easily. That sound you hear is me picking up my copy of Dark Empire and flipping through the pages. I was planning for there to be a transformation period from adept to Sith.

[Navaria Tarkin]

but you cannot RP Isaard out. That is the problem because that is copyrighted stuff. No clue who the other dude is

[Dasquian Belargic]

Originally posted by Darth Viscera
I can justify being one of Emperor Palpatine's dark adepts on Byss easily. That sound you hear is me picking up my copy of Dark Empire and flipping through the pages. I was planning for there to be a transformation period from adept to Sith.


Isn't Dark Empire set quite some time after the Battle of Endor? I thought the dark adepts gathered on Byss under Paplatines clone. That hasn't happened in our timeline, making it impossible for someone to be one of those adepts.

Correct me if I'm wrong. :huh

[Travis North]

Sate Pestage - Emperor's chief assistant. He's the guy with the hat in RotJ

http://www.starwars.jp/character/image/sate_pestage.jpg

[Darth Viscera]

I wasn't exactly planning on posting as Ysanne Isard to the tune of "I've lost the will to live! *swan dive*", rather just crashing a Star Destroyer into a building on Coruscant which is conveniently packed with NPC Palpatine-successors because the rules of the reset overlooked it. Everyone agreed that all the rebellion's great leaders and heroes went kaput in the Battle of Endor, I don't see how it would be in contravention of the spirit with which that was added to do the same to the Imperial NPC successors to free up spaces for played characters.

[Grace Van-Derveld]

but... that is rather absurd too. The last thing the Empire needs is that considering Martial Law has been ordered and the foundations for its continued existence has been shaken.

that would cause a rebellion ontop of a rebellion o_O

[Darth Viscera]

Originally posted by Dasquian Belargic
Isn't Dark Empire set quite some time after the Battle of Endor? I thought the dark adepts gathered on Byss under Paplatines clone. That hasn't happened in our timeline, making it impossible for someone to be one of those adepts.

Correct me if I'm wrong. :huh

Dark Empire is set 6 years after Endor. I've never heard the theory that the dark adepts weren't on Byss until Palpatine gathered them there when he respawned in his clone (I bet it didn't take his evil spirit myst 6 years to get there, too. There's some indication that he was biding his time for a while), but if that's the case then it's a simple matter of renaming Byss to planet X.

[Dasquian Belargic]

Is there any indication that he began training them prior to Endor?

[Darth Viscera]

Originally posted by Grace Van-Derveld
but... that is rather absurd too. The last thing the Empire needs is that considering Martial Law has been ordered and the foundations for its continued existence has been shaken.

that would cause a rebellion ontop of a rebellion o_O

so change the premise of the reset so that the death star blows up the VIP room of the rebel ship, and simultaneously Ysanne Isard and Sate Pestage are walking down 33rd ave when they suddenly slip on two identical banana peels and fall, in sequence, down a bottomless manhole, or something equally lethal.

[Darth Viscera]

Originally posted by Dasquian Belargic
Is there any indication that he began training them prior to Endor?

I don't believe Dark Empire goes into that, so I don't know.

[Navaria Tarkin]

so change the premise of the reset so that the death star blows up the VIP room of the rebel ship, and simultaneously Ysanne Isard and Sate Pestage are walking down 33rd ave when they suddenly slip on two identical banana peels and fall, in sequence, down a bottomless manhole, or something equally lethal.

this is not helping to agree to logical scenario to how you will assume power :|

[Darth Viscera]

gradually, after the war with the rebellion has been going on a while.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

So how is that different than what Anar politely suggested?

[Darth Viscera]

In my suggestion I don't start off at the bottom of the barrel, and imperial officer NPCs are killable.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

If' you're a dark side adept on Byss, then you cannot, by way of all that makes sense, also be a Grand Admiral/Grand Moff or anyone else in a position of power in the Empire. Anar already pointed it out.

Either you're sequestered on Byss as an adept, or you're not and you don't have to start out at the bottom.

[Navaria Tarkin]

Honestly, the Empire doesnt need more killing drama. Having even more deaths are going to fractured the government even more ... especially, as I've stated, with martial law being in effect.

Working your way up and jockeying for position will be creative and give people opportunity to attempt to knock you out of the running. In the end, you get what you want and an amazing storyline out of it.

what harm is that?

[Darth Viscera]

Originally posted by Navaria Tarkin
Honestly, the Empire doesnt need more killing drama.

Governments such as the Galactic Empire function the way they do because of assassinations and gulags and other general malevolence. They're inseparable. To advance purely through merit and in so doing disintermediate the more machiavellan methods of advancement would be to castrate the notion of a tyrannical galactic empire reminiscent of the films, which is something I am fundamentally opposed to.

Fracture the government? Well, to make an omelet you have to break a few eggs. Adds to the storyline.

I am willing to work my way up and jockey for position. To a point. I'm not willing to put myself at the level of disadvantage Anar suggests by putting myself at the very bottom and without a rope with which to climb back up.


If' you're a dark side adept on Byss, then you cannot, by way of all that makes sense, also be a Grand Admiral/Grand Moff or anyone else in a position of power in the Empire. Anar already pointed it out.

Either you're sequestered on Byss as an adept, or you're not and you don't have to start out at the bottom.

Can't be a Grand Admiral or a Grand Moff? True. But you can be in a position of power. Adepts are in a class similar to Emperor's Hands, and would have knowledge generally unavailable to high-ranking officers, and using assassination, persuasion, the force and various other methods of manipulation could quickly put themselves in an even greater position of power. The restrictions that Anar is suggesting would completely nullify all advantages of being a force user, which would give me the worst of both worlds. Starting at the very bottom and unable to manipulate in a sith-like manner.

[Tear]

As im a mouse at the moment in the Empire i would still like to voice my opinion.

1. Who will lead the Empire? I dont know i dont think anyone else should either until someone finally takes control. If its Anar or Visc its up to them. I very much want to see the ones who want power fight for it.

2. The Empire is alot bigger now. Meaning this is a bigger chess board then it was with just the Sovereignty and the one man Federacy (jab). I think Visc and Anar should go out and try to place their pawns, by pawns i mean us.

Travis, Teleran, Telan, Shadow squadron etc etc.. How they aquire those pawns will be another story. Bribes, backstabbing, friendships.

I dont want to be one of the soldiers sitting on the side lines while the big wigs cruise around and decide the fate of the rest of us. We all want to be part of the Empire and have a choice in its future. ( At least some of us do anyway)

3. Visc is a Sith and Khendon too ( I think ) If they want to kill Grand Moffs and people in power to gain control I think they should be able to do so. It'll be a hostile take over. But you should be wary of the consquences of killing off people.

Although once word gets out Khendon and some Master Sith are going around ganking Moffs the remaining people in power will either

A) Take off and begin their own little empire in order to defend themselves or

B) Band together in order to fight the aggressor. Which would lead to a Civil war. Lets not forget the Rebels are still out there too.

But then again Fear might be enough to secure power for himself.

So...just to clarify I dont want a single leader of the Empire proposed at the moment.. I would rather see you two vie for control and involve the rest of us in the process.:p


Oh and on completely different subject. Anar am i supposed to post in the cries an dies thread? Thought most of us were...
And if so why would we have to wait until you are finished talking?

[Travis North]

My views are roughly the same as Tear's on this one.

[Navaria Tarkin]

I just want the leadership assuming to make sense :p I don't believe the Empire should a leader from the get go either.

[Tiberius Anar]

Gentlemen, the reasons that the two Sith cannot go and massacre the Moffs were explained in my earlier post. Somewhat lengthy, yes, but please read it.

As for viying for power, much fun as it would be to have a straight forward, open rp in which the conclusion is not a foregone one, we are obligated to respect Viscera's wish to retain his rank as Imperial Diktat. We must therefore have a foregone conclusion- hence the plan.

We must retain realism. The Reality of this Galaxy is that the Empire has been deprived of major leaders(e.g. Pestage who we shall have to assume died) or that certain individuals will not get the chance to rise to the top because the Empire did not immediately fly to pieces (e.g. Isard). We thus have an Empire intact but without any obvious leader. Anar is a faceless bureaucrat, Viscera a Sith of great power but few connections, Sevon is a secret force user who instills fear in those around him, the Moffs are fragmentary and limited in their powers. There is no clear leader, no-one with a clear advantage. This is the reality with which we must deal.

In this reality, for Viscera to lead the Empire- which will happen becasue that is the rule laid down- he is going to first have to secure a postion for himself. He is going to have to gain control of enough of the Empire for himself to be able to claim it all. He is going to have to play the game of politics and play it well. Not storm in killing officials and chucking people out of windows.

Why not because the Empire, for all its tyrannical methods, is about law, order, secuirty, peace and stability. Violent actions against those set in rightful authority by the Emperor- Moffs, Grand Moffs, Governors, Civil Servants and Ministers- will not cut it in an Empire that is more than a 2-dimensional bogeyman of the Galaxy.

Finally, Viscera is not going to start of at "the bottom of the barrel" in reality. He is going to become a major player in very short order because of the attack on Mon Calamari. Such an act will bring him recognition, adulation, plaudits and all the power that goes with it. He's essentially going to go from public non-entity to superstar in about five seconds.

My plan is convoluted, yes, but it will produce the desired result. A united and strong Empire with Viscera in charge.

[Navaria Tarkin]

to Anar you listen, please. Thank you for explaning better then I why killing everyone that is in the way is a terrible move. More anarchy isn't the way to run an Empire already suffering major losses.

[Darth Decepis]

This bickering is pointless. We all know who the leader of the Empire will be, so why are we still blabbering like apes in here?

>D

Anar, we must speak privately. I fear that your political career is in great jeopardy. Perhaps there is something I can do to ensure your continued good fortune.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

:lol silly

[Tear]

Originally posted by Tiberius Anar
Gentlemen, the reasons that the two Sith cannot go and massacre the Moffs were explained in my earlier post. Somewhat lengthy, yes, but please read it.

I did read it. Im sure you remember this is taking place around 5 minutes after Endor in which the Emperor was still in power. There was no senate. No one had any say in his decisions save for maybe Vader or a trusted advisor.

Vader killed Admirals and people of power left right and center in the movies without anyone saying, "Hey...thats against the law."

Im not saying if Visc went in killing people it would be totally accepted by everyone of some sort of power im just saying it wont be an earth shattering shock to them.

Its totally feasible and realistic for Visc to kill his way to the top. Not the best way to go about it however. Thats all i meant.


My plan is convoluted, yes, but it will produce the desired result. A united and strong Empire with Viscera in charge.

With no resistance by you..how boring Tib. I thought you had more fight in you. :p

[Darth Viscera]

Originally posted by Tiberius Anar
Gentlemen, the reasons that the two Sith cannot go and massacre the Moffs were explained in my earlier post. Somewhat lengthy, yes, but please read it.

I read it, and I still contest it. NPC Imperials dying left and right when a Sith gets angry at them is just part of the game. Watch ESB again. If it drives NPCs to dissent and fragment, boo hoo. I'll burn that bridge when I come to it.

[Darth Decepis]

Originally posted by Darth Viscera
I read it, and I still contest it. NPC Imperials dying left and right when a Sith gets angry at them is just part of the game. Watch ESB again. If it drives NPCs to dissent and fragment, boo hoo. I'll burn that bridge when I come to it.

I do believe the concept you're not seeing is that poo rolls down the hill, not up it.

Essentially, you at least have to pretend to like these guys, at least until you're in a position to not have to pretend anymore and kill them.

Or....just kill them in such a way that you never take the blame.

[Demon-Kieran]

Hey, leave the killing to people who know how. :D

[Tear]

Least in an unseen and secret way. :p Kieran, Valtan and I are going to start an Inquisitor related thread. I think you should be in it (if you arent already) *shrugs*

[Travis North]

My question is this: What is the reason which will force Visc to off some Imperial heads, if he does. Never have I read about a Sith commit such an onslaught for power and not upset the forces he rises up through. Lets also remember Vader had a reason for executing those rankers. Most of them made critical errors resulting in losses and other for committing treason.

[Telan Desaria]

One must remember as evident to anyone who has read the Imperial Sourcebook - -I have a copy on Akrobat whomever wants one - -that the Empire is a meritocracy to a point. The Emperor was very much for promoting and using those who were excellent at their professions so that he could use them to that end. In him we have a combination of the internal haraguing of Hitler and the abilities of Napolean to gather loyalty. Palpatine was a genius in that he WOULD promote you based on merit because that would ensure a debt to him and thusly build further the blind loyalty he sought.

As one gets much higher up the ladder, the type of ambition we speak of becomes unbridled and that is where the LAw looks the other way, In the lower ranks, murder of a fellow Imperial is still a rcime - -in the upper echelons it is not because usually they are smart enough to justify their crime or create a reason for someone else to do it. Case ion point - Isard wanted to rise to power, her father Armand was in the way, so she built up charges of Rebel sympathies and then killed him herself. For this act of loyalty - she was promoted and assumed her position.

There are many things that are just as mutually exclusive in the Empire as there was in Germany - departments with different titles and different mandates doing the same thing - IE ISB and Inquisitoriate, COMPNOR and the IMPSEC, et al. That might be the goal of Anar and his fellow politicians - to starighten things out.


As for leadership, I would like to see things played out over the course of the coming months. I like them both but I think watching them snap at each other would be great material. I know Anar has it in him - -Visc = -are you up to the challange?

As for the reset and the keeping of our ranks, I believe we are allowed to work our way back up to them. Take Desaria- - he is at Endor an Admiral, but will make it to Grand Admiral for his ruthless prosecution of those officers who have proven disloyal and this relentless pursuit of the Rebels. This will take time but thye end result is assured. Until then, it is the quest for the titles we all once held that will be the challange.

Am I wrong???

[Navaria Tarkin]

As for the reset and the keeping of our ranks, I believe we are allowed to work our way back up to them.

that is absolutely correct.

[Khendon Sevon]

I have a question for basically everyone:

Khendon’s rank is Executor. As such, he probably spent a fair amount of time with the Emperor, planning and reporting, etc. Yet, he was force sensitive. Now, my history requires some explanation of his training/current abilities.

The idea that I like the best, so far, is that Palpatine was looking for a replacement for Vader. Someone less rebellious, younger, who his old tricks would work on. So, he began training Khendon—nothing too advanced.

Then Luke came along and the Emperor decided he’d have to remove Sevon. However, his untimely death prevented him from ever fulfilling his plan.

Does anyone have a problem with this interaction between Sevon and Palpatine? Is it “too much”?

Thanks in advance for your comments ;)

[Tear]

I dont think so as long as the training palpatine gave wasnt too intensive or of any real influence.

My character new background gave him interaction between Vader more or less taking orders from him. Even though my character was tolerated for a purpose Vader would have quickly put him to an end if he got out of hand.

I think both our histories have the same sort of feel. Expendable guard dogs of a sort.

[Darth Decepis]

Originally posted by Khendon Sevon
I have a question for basically everyone:

Khendon’s rank is Executor. As such, he probably spent a fair amount of time with the Emperor, planning and reporting, etc. Yet, he was force sensitive. Now, my history requires some explanation of his training/current abilities.

The idea that I like the best, so far, is that Palpatine was looking for a replacement for Vader. Someone less rebellious, younger, who his old tricks would work on. So, he began training Khendon—nothing too advanced.

Then Luke came along and the Emperor decided he’d have to remove Sevon. However, his untimely death prevented him from ever fulfilling his plan.

Does anyone have a problem with this interaction between Sevon and Palpatine? Is it “too much”?

Thanks in advance for your comments ;)

No Sith Training. I imagine honing the dark side talents of a mere adept would be quite fine, but if you're going to suggest that you are a Sith, then you need to have gotten your dark teachings by ill-gotten means, such as going behind your Emperor's back or stealing from his storehouses, etc.

In short, Palpatine would never conciously divulge the good stuff without a good raspy rendition of "The fwooorce....is strOOOOng in youuuu....(wheeze)" that we got when he dubbed Anakin a Darth in RotS. He's got an apprentice in Darth Vader. Anyone else who is force sensitive in his court is a darkside adept attack dog, and is just another lackey with benefits :)

[Khendon Sevon]

I agree. Khendon's Sith side comes from other sources "closer to his heart." I'll RP it out eventually, nice and dramatic.

[Darth Decepis]

Originally posted by Khendon Sevon
I agree. Khendon's Sith side comes from other sources "closer to his heart." I'll RP it out eventually, nice and dramatic.

Sounds good to me.

Really, to be honest, anybody claiming to be a Sith has to trace their knowledge to ill-gotten gains, since the line of the Sith (as we know them through Darth Bane) is extinct as of the Battle of Endor.

The other way to get around this is of course to depict a sect of Sith that did not originate with Bane surviving the fall of the Sith Empire a millennia ago. That's entirely feasable, albeit a bit vanilla ;) Of course, I don't know a whole lot about that particular era, so there's a bit of wiggle room.

[Mirax Kirret]

NM. I already posted this earlier. Damn thread got to be BIG and I lost track of where I was :x

[Khendon Sevon]

*Wide eyed* That's... that's a rebel... what're you doing in here?!;p

[Lady Vader]

:lol

Calm yourself, Khendon... it was only a bad dream. :p

[Telan Desaria]

<<<wakes up in a cold sweat. Goes to raid a Rebel supply depot to feel better>>>

[Travis North]

To the fort?

[Pierce Tondry]

Please let me know if the following character would be acceptable given the other characters already created for the Imperial faction.

Name: Rigel Bismarck
Height: 2.0 meters
Hair color: Brown
Eye color: Brown
Species: Silleski (human off-branch)
Other noteable physical characteristics: slightly hooked nose which gives him a distinct hawkish appearance.

Rank: Commander, Imperial Navy
Mission at Zero Hour (Emperor's Death): Investigate and quell Rebel uprisings in the Colonies region of the galaxy.
Resupply point: The Imperial facility at Borleias.
Assigned units: One Imperator Star Destroyer, two Carrack Cruisers, and the support craft/personnel for each.

Personality:

Previous incarnations of Bismarck have all possessed a certain level of honor, to allow him to command the respect of his men. For this incarnation, I have decided to scrap anything honorable about him. He has an affinity for tactics, strategy, and all things military to the degree that he is brilliant but very offhand about it, as though he does not regard it of much importance. He does regard himself as one of the single best 'players of the game' the Imperial military has, and the ultimate proof of this would be through defeating the Rebellion with himself as the tactician that arranges it.

His loyalty to the Imperial hierachy post-Zero Hour is tenuous at best, but he will serve it as long as it affords him the chance to demonstrate just how good he is.

Among other things, Bismarck has an affinity for that which can be considered "cultured". He enjoys playing at being a connoiseur of fine things as much as he enjoys those things themselves.

[Tear]

Originally posted by Travis North
To the fort?

yessum. Nice char Pierce

[Tiberius Anar]

Please people, recover from the shock f seeing a Rebel and get on with your lives! Dear lord, how on earth are we supposed to beat them if this is how you behave?

Pierce- yes very nice character. He's fine by me- with one small alteration. To command that task force he needs to be a captain (becasue of the Stardestroyer you understand). Aside from that no problems here.

[Khendon Sevon]

Just realize anyone under the rank of “Emperor” will be subject to Khendon’s wrath/orders (same thing).

For reference I have posted the old GMA rank chart.

[Brian]

Originally posted by Tiberius Anar
Please people, recover from the shock f seeing a Rebel and get on with your lives! Dear lord, how on earth are we supposed to beat them if this is how you behave?

Pierce- yes very nice character. He's fine by me- with one small alteration. To command that task force he needs to be a captain (becasue of the Stardestroyer you understand). Aside from that no problems here.

Actually, I deliberately chose the rank below captain for what I will call "the irk factor", meaning he was so good at what he did he just ended up with the men in spite of his rank because Vader/Emperor/some other high up said "take this ship and go do something". It's the kind of situation destined to rub his allies the wrong way (something I want). Even though Rigel isn't going to be a spy or double-agent, I want him to be as much of a jerk as possible without crossing any major lines.

But if you'd prefer he be made a Captain instead, I have no problems with that.

[Tiberius Anar]

No, no. Sound reasoning and a good feature for the story. By all means stay a commander.

As for Khendon being able to order everyone around- yes and no. The rank is a special one- extremely powerful but the extent of that power is ambiguous.

The idea I have in mind is the Third Reich (to which Palpatine's government has been compared) in which there was a clear top and bottom and a well defined middle but with grey areas in which lurked various powerful figures. Also it is part of the idea of overlapping authorities- the Grand Admirals being responsible for the defence of the Empire as a whole and the Moffs for the defence of their own sectors it creates and ambiguity about certain situations (e.g. What the heck happens if the Empire is attacked and a Moff and Grand Admiral are both commanding forces within a sector? Is it the Moff who is in overall charge because it is his turf of the Grand Admiral because he's the military expert? Does the Grand Admiral only get control if it is an external threat?). Such ambiguity was the Emperor's greatest defence. Only the Emperor could figure the whole thing out.

This is also going to be the greatest problem for the Empire following his death. There is no clear hierarchy above the armed forces- the lines of command are unclear. Without the Emperor to rule on who is in charge where and when there will be problems. Everytime the remaining leaders have to decide who and what and when there will be the chance of alienating some who lose out and enraging others who disagree with the validity of the ruling.

So yes Khendon is going to be able to order people around, but only to a certain extent. There will be those within the government and military who question his authority- perhaps on the basis of his commission being to hunt out traitors not prosecute a war or because they feel that their own authority is higher within a certain area of competence. This will happen with all the people attempting to lead the Empire- I have already set up something like that in When Rulers die with Anar not explicitly ordering the Moffs to institute martial law. How these things will be decided will depend very much upon how our characters conduct themselves and the longer it goes on the more difficult it will become for them to act without damaging unity and legitimacy.

[Telan Desaria]

Grand Admirals are given then authority over the military answering only to the Emperor. Moffs command sectors only in broad terms, sector groups being directly commanded by the Moff's right hand, a Naval officer usually an Admiral. A Moff would be responsbile for the suppression of all internal threats of a small military nature but if a Grand Admiral arrived with orders to quell uprising X or launch Campaign Y, then all would bow before those orders because such orders came from only one of two sources - - the Emperor of the Grand Admrial's own mind.

Grand Admirals are Imperial High Command.

[Tiberius Anar]

And from whom do these orders to the Grand Admirals emenate? The Emperor is dead. Therefore, there is no-one to issue orders to the Grand Admirals giving them authority over sectors, just as there is no-one to issue orders to all the Moffs to take action throughout the Empire, nor is there anyone to say whether an Executor can or cannot assume control of a fleet. No Emperor means no clear orders.

[Telan Desaria]

I nknow - -that is what I am saying. However, the Grand Admirals are the best the Empire has to offer, and of course there will be exceptions, but I know myself and at least three npced others will submit to the rule of the legitimate ruling body of the Empire - -whomever/whatever that becomes.

A Grand Moff would be subordinated to a Grand Admiral in most cases.

[Khendon Sevon]

Ah, I remember when I was a Grand Admiral/Grand Moff... Then Vice-Diktat... good old days.

[Tal Kellison]

Ok, so far the Imperials look something like this:

At the top
Darth Viscera – dark side adept/your basic powerful shadowy guy
Darth Decepis – Sith Lord (there to also be shadowy and evil)
Tiberius Anar – Chancellor
Khendon Sevon – Executor
Tear – Grand Inquisitor
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Demon Kieran – Inquisitor
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Karl Valtan - Inquisitor
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Y'roth Helghast
Adia Issorus – Emperor’s Hand

Army
Danik Drayton - Colonel

Navy
Telan Desaria – Grand Admiral (ISD Relentless)
Tal Kellison – Captain (ISD Termagant)
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Flight Commander Silus "Thumper" Xilarian
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Colonel Sango "Frack" Kariudo
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Colonel Travis "Paco" North
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Lieutenant Jill "Stilletto" Chambers
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Flight Commander Val "Razor" Torre
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Colonel Tod "Maniac" Marr
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Captain Aliya "Chipper" Vahlshalynn
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Lieutenant Jason "Outcast" Dreggs
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Flight Commander Bette "Shooter" Davis
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Colonel Ulrhik "Dragon" Godsend
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Colonel Zachariah "Jackal" Jak'el
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 1st Lieutenant Tannis "Professor" V'larr
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Taijin "Nomad" Daece – recon
Teleran Balades – Commander (Carrack Cruiser Mindflayer)
Rigel Bismark – Commander (ISD ___)

Directorate of Intelligence
Jason Kcgraves - Intelligence Operative

Notable Civilians
Miranda Tarkin – civilian advisor
Javus Parr – Military Administrator/Governer of Corellia

Did I miss anyone?

[Tiberius Anar]

That seems about right. Though I had no idea Shadow Squadron contained so many colonels.

[Darth Viscera]

My old rank chart! wow. that's back from when I was thinking that the GMA would be a democracy, with Dark Side Adept 327 as its president. That there is an antique.

and I'm not a general. I am Espaa Museveni of the inner circle of the secret order of the emperor, master instructor of the Emperor's disciples! *waves hand*. That's one step below Emperor's Hand, but I make up for it by being the most powerful force user in the Empire. 2nd most powerful if you count Darth Decepis, though you shouldn't because he will be dealt with.

[Jason Dreggs]

So there will be no Imperial Intelegence sector/group?

I'm not talking Inquisitor I'm just talking base intel almost ran like the CIA or KGB.

[Tiberius Anar]

The Inquisitorate is an unberrella group for security and (some) operations so it is the KGB. But if you mean straight intel operations...

The Navy and Army maintain their own Intelligence agencies. There are navy intelligence officers, for example, gathering data on new enemy ship designs and army intelligence officers keeping track of Rebel land forces so they can judge how they will respond to an invasion. I imagine that they pool data when they work together.

[Jason Dreggs]

Okay because my question refers to a thread I posted earlier ask pretty much the same Question (http://sw-fans.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38689).

I was just wondering if tear was going to go through with anything on it or If I should just scrap the character.

[Lady Vader]

Everything seems alright for Javus save he's also the Governor of Corellia. While he still mainatins a military aspect of control over Corellia's forces, he's essentially also the leader to the planet, answering to the Moff of the system and of course to Anar. So in essence, Javus is like half Army and half Government. Dunno how that'd work out in the rankings though. O_o

Also, at a later date, Javus will be introducing TSO to Anar. But I don't think TSO has a place in that rankings list so much as a place as an ally. But, like I said, that's gonna come at a later date and can be worked out then.

[Tiberius Anar]

I think that as a governor, we might be better off listing Parr as a notable civillian. He's got military authority and all, but is not a member of the armed forces.

[Tal Kellison]

Editted as per suggestions and for clarity

[Lady Vader]

Much better. :)

[Tear]

I think there will be a seperate Intelligence group though. I want to make it seperate from both Navy and Military although it will actually be both.

Some peopel dont want to play Inquisitoriates or a navy intelligence person who sits on a boat. Theres two people who want to be intelligence so why not let them do just that. As I did when i first came to the Empire.

both Silvo and Dreggs want to be Intelligence.

[Tiberius Anar]

That's fine. The Directorate of Intelligence?

[Tear]

Something of the sort. They'll be the army and navys eyes and ears doing spec ops stuff.

But ill take charge of the intelligence command stuff. Giving them tasks and jobs etc.

[Tiberius Anar]

I think we want to make this clear- there is a difference between security and intelligence.
Security is hunting down criminals, dealing with threats (mostly internal) and stamping out dissent: the work of the Inquisitorate.

Intelligence is gathering data, collating it, analysing it, feeding it to other bodies and on occasion acting on it (though rarely- it is for the military and security services to act on most intelligence) : this is the work of a Directorate of Intelligence.

Intelligence, especially "foreign" intelligence, is not under the control of the Inquisitorate as it does not fit with its mandate.

[Tear]

Im glad you made that clear to everyone who didnt know.

Before the restart i was Intelligence. Not Inquisitoriate( Although i did report to Esalis before i was force adept). I did spec ops, assasinations etc etc.

Thats what Silvo and any other Intelligence people will be doing. Or gather intelligence depending on what they like to write about.

If you want to give the Intelligence boys their missions, feel free. I was only offering.

[Jason Dreggs]

I won't be intellgence another of my characters will be. my character jason mcgraves will be Intellgence since Jason dreggs is Shadow squadron. :)

[Telan Desaria]

Inquisitoriate DOES control Intelligence, Anar,m I told you that. They handle all security operations, though Intelligence is somewhat of an independent group within the larger puzzle. The Director of Intelligence reports to the Grand Inquisitor ceremonially, but in practise runs his own affairs.

My flagship btw is the Relentless and I will be Grand Admiral at the end of my current thread. Please change accordingly.

((((After being a GA so long, it feels almost wrong to have a one-word rank. )))))


As for Shadow Squadron, a Colonel would command them - -I do not see how they have so many either., Unless they have an internal organization and have signed waivers to thw affect that they follow the squadron commander's orders regardless of his rank. Something of an elite group.

We had something like this during the war known as Die Feldherrenfluchtzug. It was a grouping of fighter aces who had fallen out of favor with High Command (Hitler) and still wanted to fly in defense of the Fatherland. They were headed by General Adolf Galland, a fighter ace who had told Hitler he was wrong too many times but was too quick on the stick is the Ami phrase to let him go. So they were equipped with ME 262s and amounted for the most squadron kills from their inception to the end of the war a few month later. They had several genrals among their ranks but all took orders from Galland regardless of their particular level.

[Tiberius Anar]

Well I have always regarded the Inquisitorate as a security body not an intel one. If this is not the case (and I think it is) then we ought to change it. It makes more sense, especially given the main focus of Tear's work as Grand Inquisitor. Thoughts?

[Karl Valten]

According to the Sov structure, the Inquisitoriate was the department that controlled Intel, the Inquisitoriate p\Proper (security), the Crimson Guard (anti-terrorist forces), and the Arbitrators (Military Police).

Am I correct on that

[Telan Desaria]

Yes but the Empire wide police force was the Civil Defense Force -- but other than that correct.

I am amenable to change for the new order of things.

Thank you for the edit btw

[Telan Desaria]

BTW---have we heard from Jarek at all? Anyone? He is a good friend and I admit, I am generally worried.

[Lilaena De'Ville]

As far as Shadow Squadron, it was my understanding that fighter pilot ranks were much different from the ranks of the commanders of Navy ships. A bunch of high ranking pilots being ordered around by a navy captain who outranks the Flight commanders, who outrank the pilot colonels, etc etc. I looked it up quite extensively.

[Telan Desaria]

no--look at the rank chart i posted--the extensive one

[Tear]

Dont be worried about Jarek. I think he has just moved on from swfans to other things in life that matter more to him.

Chasing girls probably the primary.:cool

[Danni Reyok]

I haven't seen him on Yahoo for the last three or four months either. Wish he would have at least left a notice behind. His leaving was a real blow us.

Edit: Frak it, my sister didn't log off.

[/Teleran]

[Lilaena De'Ville]

Originally posted by Telan Desaria
no--look at the rank chart i posted--the extensive one

So? They're all senior officers because they're the BEST.

edit: also, to the moderators, all the OOC threads and discussions should be moved out of here to the Barracks, the ooc forum, yes? As this is for recruitment, not talking about ranking systems. :)